Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

I count 1117 and it scanned update folders for a long time. I'm guessing a
clean install would give a different story.


"OMEN3" wrote in message
...
I just counted 1023 executable inside %SYSTEMROOT% and its subfolders alone
on an XPSP2 box. Add in the %PROGRAMFILES% bits that ship with Windows and
you're rapidly approaching that number. Toss in a Resource Kit, deployment
tools, the Adminpak or some Sysinternals stuff and you'll match it. to say
nothing of the bundled HW manufacturer or Microsoft bundleware (Office
2003
trial or Works, for example. And some of my boxes came with M$ Money
*shudder*)

"Justin" wrote:

Oh, I get it. What you're saying is Linux installs a bunch of resource
hogging crap of which the average person will never use. Wow, what a
wonderful way to spend HDD space!

I wish Windows would install 2500+ applications for no good reason!

I MUST COLLECT THEM ALL!!!!!!!



"arachnid" wrote in message
newsan.2007.02.22.20.22.40.552282@goawayspammers .com...
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:03:19 -0800, Justin wrote:

Few X 2? So you have at least 600 apps on your machine?

How many apps I have on my machine is an entirely different question
from
how many I use. Here's how many are installed on the system:

/usr/sbin 157
/usr/bin 107
/usr/sbin 210
/usr/bin 2031

Most of those are part of the default install but I discount the
majority
because I only use a small portion of them.

I call BS on that one!

It's easy enough to generate a list of all the applications I use but
you'll still refuse to believe me. Ask in the Linux groups, you'll find
that around 400 applications is typical of someone who has used Linux
for
several years and uses both GUI and CLI tools. And note that I'm not
saying I use each and every application every day. However, each is
likely to get used at least once over the course of several weeks.

Here we go:

abiword_2.4.5-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
abiword-common_2.4.5-0ubuntu2_all.deb
amor_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
anjuta_2.0.2-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
anjuta-common_2.0.2-2ubuntu1_all.deb
app-install-data-commercial_6.3_all.deb
arson_0.9.8beta2-4.3ubuntu1_i386.deb
artsbuilder_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
atlantik_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
atlantikdesigner_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
atlas3-base_3.6.0-20.2_i386.deb
bchunk_1.2.0-1_i386.deb
biew_5.6.2-2_i386.deb
bind9-host_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
burn_0.4.3-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
calc_2.02f-28_all.deb
cdda2wav_4%3a2.01+01a03-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
cdrbq_1.23-1_all.deb
cdrtoaster_1.23-1_all.deb
celestia-common_1.3.2-3.3ubuntu1_all.deb
celestia-gnome_1.3.2-3.3ubuntu1_i386.deb
ckermit_211-6_i386.deb
coldsync_3.0+pre3-3_i386.deb
cpufrequtils_002-1_i386.deb
cream_0.35-2_all.deb
cue2toc_0.4-1_i386.deb
cuetools_1.3.1-1_i386.deb
cvs_1%3a1.12.13-3_i386.deb
cvs2html_1.96-1_all.deb
devhelp-common_0.12-0ubuntu4_all.deb
dnsutils_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
dosbox_0.65-1_i386.deb
dosemu_1.2.2-5ubuntu1_i386.deb
dvdauthor_0.6.11-4_i386.deb
dvdisaster_0.70-1_i386.deb
dvdisaster-doc_0.70-1_all.deb
dvdrtools_0.2.1-1_i386.deb
eagle_4.16-2_i386.deb
eagle-data_4.16-2_all.deb
emacs21_21.4a-6ubuntu2_i386.deb
emacs21-bin-common_21.4a-6ubuntu2_i386.deb
emacs21-common_21.4a-6ubuntu2_all.deb
emacsen-common_1.4.17_all.deb
enscript_1.6.4-9_i386.deb
exdbm_1.0b2-13_i386.deb
eyesapplet_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
fifteenapplet_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
gawk_1%3a3.1.5.dfsg-4_i386.deb
gcc-3.4-base_3.4.6-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
gcombust_0.1.55-2_i386.deb
geda_20060123-1_i386.deb
geda-doc_20060906-1_all.deb
geda-gnetlist_20060906-1_i386.deb
geda-gschem_20060906-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
geda-gsymcheck_20060906-1_i386.deb
geda-symbols_20060906-1_all.deb
geda-utils_20060906-1_i386.deb
gnucap_1%3a0.34-5_i386.deb
gnumeric_1.7.0-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
gnumeric-common_1.7.0-1ubuntu4_all.deb
gnuplot_4.0.0-3_all.deb
gnuplot-nox_4.0.0-3_i386.deb
gnuplot-x11_4.0.0-3_i386.deb
gpsim_0.20.14-7.3_i386.deb
gputils_0.13.3-1_i386.deb
graphmonkey_1.5-5_all.deb
groff_1.18.1.1-12_i386.deb
grokking-the-gimp_1.0-1_all.deb
gxine_0.5.7-1ubuntu6_i386.deb
hfsplus_1.0.4-10ubuntu1_i386.deb
hfsutils_3.2.6-10_i386.deb
imagemagick_7%3a6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.10ubuntu0.2_i386.deb
itcl3_3.2.1-3.1_i386.deb
itk3_3.2.1-3.1_i386.deb
iwidgets4_4.0.1-3_all.deb
kaddressbook_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kaddressbook-plugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kappfinder_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
karbon_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
kasteroids_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kate_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kate-plugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
katomic_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kbackgammon_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kbattleship_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kblackbox_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kbounce_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kchart_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
kcontrol_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kdeaddons_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kdeaddons-kfile-plugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kdeartwork_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kdeartwork-emoticons_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kdeartwork-misc_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kdeartwork-style_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kdeartwork-theme-icon_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kdeartwork-theme-window_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kdebase_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_all.deb
kdebase-bin_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kdebase-data_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_all.deb
kdebase-kio-plugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kdegames_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kdegames-card-data_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kde-guidance_0.7.0-0ubuntu4_i386.deb
kdelibs4c2a_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
kdelibs-data_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
kdepasswd_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kdeprint_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kdesktop_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kde-systemsettings_0.0svn20060929-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kdetoys_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kdewallpapers_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kenolaba_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kexi_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
kfind_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kformula_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
kfouleggs_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kgoldrunner_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
khelpcenter_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kicker_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kicker-applets_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kivio_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
kivio-data_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_all.deb
kjumpingcube_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
klickety_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
klines_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
klipper_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kmahjongg_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kmenuedit_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kmines_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kmoon_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
knetwalk_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
knewsticker-scripts_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kodo_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
koffice_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_all.deb
koffice-data_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_all.deb
koffice-libs_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
kolf_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
konq-plugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
konqueror_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
konqueror-nsplugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
konquest_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
konsole_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
koshell_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
kpager_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kpat_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kpersonalizer_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kpoker_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kpresenter_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
kpresenter-data_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_all.deb
kreversi_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
krita_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
krita-data_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_all.deb
ksame_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kscreensaver_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kscreensaver-xsavers_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kshisen_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
ksig_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
ksirtet_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
ksmiletris_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
ksmserver_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
ksnake_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
ksokoban_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kspaceduel_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
ksplash_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kspread_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
ksysguard_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
ksysguardd_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kteatime_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kthesaurus_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
ktip_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
ktron_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
ktuberling_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
ktux_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kugar_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
kweather_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kwin_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kwin4_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kword_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
kword-data_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_all.deb
kworldclock_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
language-pack-en_1%3a6.10+20070115_all.deb
language-pack-gnome-en_1%3a6.10+20070115_all.deb
latex-xft-fonts_0.1-5_all.deb
libaiksaurus-1.2-0c2a_1.2.1+dev-0.12-2.1_i386.deb
libaiksaurus-1.2-data_1.2.1+dev-0.12-2.1_all.deb
libapr0_2.0.55-4ubuntu4_i386.deb
libarts1c2a_1.5.4-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
libartsc0_1.5.4-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
libavahi-compat-libdnssd1_0.6.13-2ubuntu2.4_i386.deb
libavahi-qt3-1_0.6.13-2ubuntu2.4_i386.deb
libbind9-0_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
libc6_2.4-1ubuntu12.3_i386.deb
libc6-i686_2.4-1ubuntu12.3_i386.deb
libconvert-binhex-perl_1.119-2_all.deb
libcpufreq0_002-1_i386.deb
libcsiro0_5.6.1-8_i386.deb
libdb4.3++c2_4.3.29-5build1_i386.deb
libdbus-qt-1-1c2_0.62.git.20060814-1_i386.deb
libdevhelp-1-0_0.12-0ubuntu4_i386.deb
libdns21_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
libdvdread3_0.9.6-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
libfinance-quote-perl_1.11-0.1_all.deb
libforms1_1.0-7_i386.deb
libg2c0_1%3a3.4.6-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
libgbf-1-0_0.1.3-2_i386.deb
libgbf-1-common_0.1.3-2_all.deb
libgd2-noxpm_2.0.33-4ubuntu2_i386.deb
libgdgeda6_2.0.15-3_i386.deb
libgeda20_20060906-1_i386.deb
libgfortran1_4.1.1-13ubuntu5_i386.deb
libgnet2.0-0_2.0.7-1_i386.deb
libgnomevfs2-0_2.16.1-0ubuntu7_i386.deb
libgnomevfs2-bin_2.16.1-0ubuntu7_i386.deb
libgnomevfs2-common_2.16.1-0ubuntu7_all.deb
libgnomevfs2-extra_2.16.1-0ubuntu7_i386.deb
libgoffice-0-3_0.3.0-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
libgoffice-0-common_0.3.0-1ubuntu1_all.deb
libgpgme11_1.1.2-2_i386.deb
libgsf-gnome-1-114_1.14.1-2ubuntu1.1_i386.deb
libgtk1.2_1.2.10-18_i386.deb
libgtk1.2-common_1.2.10-18_all.deb
libgtk2.0-0_2.10.6-0ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
libgtk2.0-bin_2.10.6-0ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
libgtk2.0-common_2.10.6-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
libgtkextra17_0.99.17-2.2_i386.deb
libgtkglext1_1.0.6-2.1ubuntu1_i386.deb
libgtop2-7_2.14.4-0ubuntu1.1_i386.deb
libgtop2-common_2.14.4-0ubuntu1.1_all.deb
libhdf5-serial-1.6.5-0_1.6.5-2_i386.deb
libhfsp0_1.0.4-10ubuntu1_i386.deb
libhtml-tableextract-perl_2.07-0.1_all.deb
libid3tag0_0.15.1b-8_i386.deb
libio-stringy-perl_2.110-1_all.deb
libisc11_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
libisccc0_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
libisccfg1_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
libjpeg-progs_6b-13_i386.deb
libkcal2b_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
libkdegames1_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
libkdepim1a_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
libkleopatra1_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
libkonq4_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
libkrb53_1.4.3-9ubuntu1.1_i386.deb
libktnef1_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
liblockfile1_1.06.1ubuntu1_i386.deb
libltdl3_1.5.22-4_i386.deb
liblua50_5.0.2-6_i386.deb
liblualib50_5.0.2-6_i386.deb
liblwres9_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
libmad0_0.15.1b-2.1_i386.deb
libmailtools-perl_1.74-0.1_all.deb
libmikmod2_3.1.11-a-6ubuntu2_i386.deb
libmime-perl_5.420-0.1_all.deb
libmodplug0c2_1%3a0.7-5_i386.deb
libmysqlclient15off_5.0.24a-9_i386.deb
libnews-nntpclient-perl_0.37-6_all.deb
libnss-mdns_0.7-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
libntfs8_1.12.1-1_i386.deb
libopenexr2c2a_1.2.2-4.3_i386.deb
libpalm-perl_1.3.0-6_all.deb
libpanel-applet2-0_2.16.1-0ubuntu4_i386.deb

"Justin" wrote in message
...
I count 1117 and it scanned update folders for a long time. I'm guessing a
clean install would give a different story.

Clean Install (XP Pro w/SP2):

Windows (plus all subfolders): 811 files
Program Files (plus all subfolders): 37 files

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:00:01 -0700, OMEN3
wrote:

So how many times in the past 5 years have you had to reinstall\rebuild a
windows box?

Once.

That was due to a SATA drive install. I had a backup but it didn't
like the drive when I put it on there; probably a driver problem.
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:00:01 -0700, OMEN3
wrote:

and forced retirement of XP will only further encourage
us to move to *nix and OpenOffice or Google apps.

What "forced retirement"? You think your XP is gonna suddenly stop
working? I'll happily take the license(s) off your hands.
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Paul

Do you feel like sharing some of them?


"Paul Knudsen" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:00:01 -0700, OMEN3
wrote:

and forced retirement of XP will only further encourage
us to move to *nix and OpenOffice or Google apps.

What "forced retirement"? You think your XP is gonna suddenly stop
working? I'll happily take the license(s) off your hands.
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http://journals.democraticunderground.com/top10

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:26:23 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
wrote:

Paul

Do you feel like sharing some of them?

Heheh, you thinking of Ebay too?
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You Must Be Joking.
I find this hole "Blob" Quite Misleading.
The umber one thing I can see you did wrong is this:

When your reading on linux and you actully look into it before you switch
your system, you should have learned about Samba, and root. There is no way
that you should have never learned about it.

My friend Is A Computer Wiz, He has been using Linux for the past couple of
years.
It never did anything wrong, it was perfect.

He Uses it for normal Things, and for "Nerdy" Type things.

The only times it has ever crashed is if HE did somthing wrong.

" wrote:

I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems
to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability.
I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites
and finally after 3 days I have everything working.
This fiasco has left me with some doubt as to whether or not Microsoft
has the ability to maintain it's position as the defacto standard in
operating systems.

After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system
which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board.
I downloaded Fedora and attempted to install.

First problem, my SATA drives were not found.

Google time 2 hours later I found the solution which was a
Custom Install Option.

(After a few cryptic questions and a partition manager that was
convoluted and potentially very dangerous in the hands of a new user,
Fedora was installed)

Second Problem, the system would not boot after install. I got a Grub
Error 15 message.

Google Time 5 Hours Later .. Oh boy I found lots of
information on this puppy. About 5 hours later I fixed the problem
which involved copying a know working Grub configuration file from
some kind soul on the net, modifying it for my particular system and
replacing the one already installed. I did this with a Knoppix LiveCD.

So now I can boot the system, but my display image is shifted way off
the screen and too low to click on anything.

Google Time 2 hours later Ok I learned how to boot to a
command line and edit the Xorg file to fix the entries that were
incorrect for my common Nvidia card.
So now I could see my desktop, but it was at 1024x768 and what
appeared to be 16 colors.

Google Time 3 hours later I discovered that there is no
apparent way to get 32bpp, 3D acceleration, 85hz and 1280x1024 all at
the same time like I have with Windows.
Bummer.
I settled for 1280x1024 24bpp and no 3d because I don't use it and
Linux doesn't appear to have any games written for Linux anyhow.

So now I have the system up, am surfing the net and things look pretty
good.
Time to add a printer.
I go to the control panel and click on printers and peruse the list
but I don't see my Lexmark Multifunction listed?
I do see a similar model however so I decide to try this.
It installs easy enough, but when I go to print I get one line of
gibberish on the top of the page, the page ejects and the next page
does the same thing over and over and over again.
Rebooting the system does no good because the printer, like a mad
beast, starts right up again wasting my paper.
Finally I turn the damm thing off while I.....................

Google Time 4 hours I discover Print Ques, printer names and
the wonderful account called root. I finally figure out how to purge
this thing and with some trepidation I turn the printer on and
thankfully it behaves.

Oh well, I don't need to print right now anyhow so on to my network.
The problem is, I can't see my other 3 Windows Vista machines.
And now it's.........
you guessed it!

GOOGLE TIME infinite I discover something called Samba, but I
also learn that Microsoft Vista and Samba are not friends but only
after a day and a hlf of playing with a smb.conf file and reading
maybe a hundred web pages devoted to helping people get Samba working,
and this is with Windows XP which supposedly plays nicely with Samba.
I wouldn't know know, I never got Samba working.

At this point, I took the Linux CD's, all 6 of them including the
rescue CD which seems useless BTW and tossed them, violently I might
add, into the dustbin.

I have wasted far too much time with this Linux crap and I don't
intend to waste another millisecond trying to shoehorn this pile of
garbage into my systems.

I can see why Linux is free.
It doesn't work!

I can also see why it is not even making the slightest ding in
Microsoft's armour:
It, Linux, doesn't work.

I'm not sure, but if the Linux users expect people, ordinary people,
to spend their lives Googling in order to make Linux work, they are
daft.

Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly,
but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user.

Karla

Linux is not for the computer illiterate, the faint of heart, or the
unprepared. I believe the OP was woefully unprepared to embark on the Linux
path. After 4 hours of google, he discovered "the wonderful account called
root". That alone tells me he had no idea what he was getting himself into,
and that he should have spent some time researching Linux, his distro, and
it's issues before jumping into it.

I have gone down the same path the OP went down, but with very different
results. I choose Slackware for my distro. Slackware is one of the "purer"
Linux distribution in that it is not bundled with any branded add-ons. It is
also one of the more difficult distros to install and configure because it
doesn't do a whole lot for you. My results? Everything works. Yes, things
did not work at first, I had to learn about Samba, I had to find out that
the mixer mutes the audio by default, I had to find out how to manually
configure inet1.conf to support my wireless card, etc.

I have a desktop running only linux. I have another that I split my time
between both XP and Linux. I have my laptop 95% converted to Linux. The only
thing I can't do is watch encrypted/protected DVDs, and I know how to get it
to work but haven't had the time to do it. And with Wine I can even run a
lot of my Windows programs.

"Linux ")" Linux wrote in message
...
You Must Be Joking.
I find this hole "Blob" Quite Misleading.
The umber one thing I can see you did wrong is this:

When your reading on linux and you actully look into it before you switch
your system, you should have learned about Samba, and root. There is no
way
that you should have never learned about it.

My friend Is A Computer Wiz, He has been using Linux for the past couple
of
years.
It never did anything wrong, it was perfect.

He Uses it for normal Things, and for "Nerdy" Type things.

The only times it has ever crashed is if HE did somthing wrong.

" wrote:

I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems
to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability.
I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites
and finally after 3 days I have everything working.
This fiasco has left me with some doubt as to whether or not Microsoft
has the ability to maintain it's position as the defacto standard in
operating systems.

After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system
which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board.
I downloaded Fedora and attempted to install.

First problem, my SATA drives were not found.

Google time 2 hours later I found the solution which was a
Custom Install Option.

(After a few cryptic questions and a partition manager that was
convoluted and potentially very dangerous in the hands of a new user,
Fedora was installed)

Second Problem, the system would not boot after install. I got a Grub
Error 15 message.

Google Time 5 Hours Later .. Oh boy I found lots of
information on this puppy. About 5 hours later I fixed the problem
which involved copying a know working Grub configuration file from
some kind soul on the net, modifying it for my particular system and
replacing the one already installed. I did this with a Knoppix LiveCD.

So now I can boot the system, but my display image is shifted way off
the screen and too low to click on anything.

Google Time 2 hours later Ok I learned how to boot to a
command line and edit the Xorg file to fix the entries that were
incorrect for my common Nvidia card.
So now I could see my desktop, but it was at 1024x768 and what
appeared to be 16 colors.

Google Time 3 hours later I discovered that there is no
apparent way to get 32bpp, 3D acceleration, 85hz and 1280x1024 all at
the same time like I have with Windows.
Bummer.
I settled for 1280x1024 24bpp and no 3d because I don't use it and
Linux doesn't appear to have any games written for Linux anyhow.

So now I have the system up, am surfing the net and things look pretty
good.
Time to add a printer.
I go to the control panel and click on printers and peruse the list
but I don't see my Lexmark Multifunction listed?
I do see a similar model however so I decide to try this.
It installs easy enough, but when I go to print I get one line of
gibberish on the top of the page, the page ejects and the next page
does the same thing over and over and over again.
Rebooting the system does no good because the printer, like a mad
beast, starts right up again wasting my paper.
Finally I turn the damm thing off while I.....................

Google Time 4 hours I discover Print Ques, printer names and
the wonderful account called root. I finally figure out how to purge
this thing and with some trepidation I turn the printer on and
thankfully it behaves.

Oh well, I don't need to print right now anyhow so on to my network.
The problem is, I can't see my other 3 Windows Vista machines.
And now it's.........
you guessed it!

GOOGLE TIME infinite I discover something called Samba, but I
also learn that Microsoft Vista and Samba are not friends but only
after a day and a hlf of playing with a smb.conf file and reading
maybe a hundred web pages devoted to helping people get Samba working,
and this is with Windows XP which supposedly plays nicely with Samba.
I wouldn't know know, I never got Samba working.

At this point, I took the Linux CD's, all 6 of them including the
rescue CD which seems useless BTW and tossed them, violently I might
add, into the dustbin.

I have wasted far too much time with this Linux crap and I don't
intend to waste another millisecond trying to shoehorn this pile of
garbage into my systems.

I can see why Linux is free.
It doesn't work!

I can also see why it is not even making the slightest ding in
Microsoft's armour:
It, Linux, doesn't work.

I'm not sure, but if the Linux users expect people, ordinary people,
to spend their lives Googling in order to make Linux work, they are
daft.

Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly,
but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user.

Karla

PS. Google is greatly over rated. If you need help with Linux, go to
linuxquestions.org, and don't waste your time with google.

"Linux ")" Linux wrote in message
...
You Must Be Joking.
I find this hole "Blob" Quite Misleading.
The umber one thing I can see you did wrong is this:

When your reading on linux and you actully look into it before you switch
your system, you should have learned about Samba, and root. There is no
way
that you should have never learned about it.

My friend Is A Computer Wiz, He has been using Linux for the past couple
of
years.
It never did anything wrong, it was perfect.

He Uses it for normal Things, and for "Nerdy" Type things.

The only times it has ever crashed is if HE did somthing wrong.

" wrote:

I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems
to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability.
I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites
and finally after 3 days I have everything working.
This fiasco has left me with some doubt as to whether or not Microsoft
has the ability to maintain it's position as the defacto standard in
operating systems.

After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system
which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board.
I downloaded Fedora and attempted to install.

First problem, my SATA drives were not found.

Google time 2 hours later I found the solution which was a
Custom Install Option.

(After a few cryptic questions and a partition manager that was
convoluted and potentially very dangerous in the hands of a new user,
Fedora was installed)

Second Problem, the system would not boot after install. I got a Grub
Error 15 message.

Google Time 5 Hours Later .. Oh boy I found lots of
information on this puppy. About 5 hours later I fixed the problem
which involved copying a know working Grub configuration file from
some kind soul on the net, modifying it for my particular system and
replacing the one already installed. I did this with a Knoppix LiveCD.

So now I can boot the system, but my display image is shifted way off
the screen and too low to click on anything.

Google Time 2 hours later Ok I learned how to boot to a
command line and edit the Xorg file to fix the entries that were
incorrect for my common Nvidia card.
So now I could see my desktop, but it was at 1024x768 and what
appeared to be 16 colors.

Google Time 3 hours later I discovered that there is no
apparent way to get 32bpp, 3D acceleration, 85hz and 1280x1024 all at
the same time like I have with Windows.
Bummer.
I settled for 1280x1024 24bpp and no 3d because I don't use it and
Linux doesn't appear to have any games written for Linux anyhow.

So now I have the system up, am surfing the net and things look pretty
good.
Time to add a printer.
I go to the control panel and click on printers and peruse the list
but I don't see my Lexmark Multifunction listed?
I do see a similar model however so I decide to try this.
It installs easy enough, but when I go to print I get one line of
gibberish on the top of the page, the page ejects and the next page
does the same thing over and over and over again.
Rebooting the system does no good because the printer, like a mad
beast, starts right up again wasting my paper.
Finally I turn the damm thing off while I.....................

Google Time 4 hours I discover Print Ques, printer names and
the wonderful account called root. I finally figure out how to purge
this thing and with some trepidation I turn the printer on and
thankfully it behaves.

Oh well, I don't need to print right now anyhow so on to my network.
The problem is, I can't see my other 3 Windows Vista machines.
And now it's.........
you guessed it!

GOOGLE TIME infinite I discover something called Samba, but I
also learn that Microsoft Vista and Samba are not friends but only
after a day and a hlf of playing with a smb.conf file and reading
maybe a hundred web pages devoted to helping people get Samba working,
and this is with Windows XP which supposedly plays nicely with Samba.
I wouldn't know know, I never got Samba working.

At this point, I took the Linux CD's, all 6 of them including the
rescue CD which seems useless BTW and tossed them, violently I might
add, into the dustbin.

I have wasted far too much time with this Linux crap and I don't
intend to waste another millisecond trying to shoehorn this pile of
garbage into my systems.

I can see why Linux is free.
It doesn't work!

I can also see why it is not even making the slightest ding in
Microsoft's armour:
It, Linux, doesn't work.

I'm not sure, but if the Linux users expect people, ordinary people,
to spend their lives Googling in order to make Linux work, they are
daft.

Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly,
but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user.

Karla

Came across this brain-dead post while googling for Vista problems

" wrote:

I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems
to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability.
I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites
and finally after 3 days I have everything working.
This fiasco has left me with some doubt as to whether or not Microsoft
has the ability to maintain it's position as the defacto standard in
operating systems.

After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system
which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board.
I downloaded Fedora and attempted to install.

First problem, my SATA drives were not found.

Google time 2 hours later I found the solution which was a
Custom Install Option.


duh - google for 2 hours!!!! - its on the install screen for gods sake

(After a few cryptic questions and a partition manager that was
convoluted and potentially very dangerous in the hands of a new user,
Fedora was installed)


and diskpart is better?

Second Problem, the system would not boot after install. I got a Grub
Error 15 message.

Google Time 5 Hours Later .. Oh boy I found lots of
information on this puppy. About 5 hours later I fixed the problem
which involved copying a know working Grub configuration file from
some kind soul on the net, modifying it for my particular system and
replacing the one already installed. I did this with a Knoppix LiveCD.

So now I can boot the system, but my display image is shifted way off
the screen and too low to click on anything.

Google Time 2 hours later Ok I learned how to boot to a
command line and edit the Xorg file to fix the entries that were
incorrect for my common Nvidia card.
So now I could see my desktop, but it was at 1024x768 and what
appeared to be 16 colors.

Google Time 3 hours later I discovered that there is no
apparent way to get 32bpp, 3D acceleration, 85hz and 1280x1024 all at
the same time like I have with Windows.
Bummer.

again duh - load the nvidia linux driver, like you would in windows


I settled for 1280x1024 24bpp and no 3d because I don't use it and
Linux doesn't appear to have any games written for Linux anyhow.

So now I have the system up, am surfing the net and things look pretty
good.
Time to add a printer.
I go to the control panel and click on printers and peruse the list
but I don't see my Lexmark Multifunction listed?
I do see a similar model however so I decide to try this.
It installs easy enough, but when I go to print I get one line of
gibberish on the top of the page, the page ejects and the next page
does the same thing over and over and over again.
Rebooting the system does no good because the printer, like a mad
beast, starts right up again wasting my paper.
Finally I turn the damm thing off while I.....................

same thing with any os with wrong printer driver


Google Time 4 hours I discover Print Ques, printer names and
the wonderful account called root. I finally figure out how to purge
this thing and with some trepidation I turn the printer on and
thankfully it behaves.

Oh well, I don't need to print right now anyhow so on to my network.
The problem is, I can't see my other 3 Windows Vista machines.
And now it's.........
you guessed it!

GOOGLE TIME infinite I discover something called Samba, but I
also learn that Microsoft Vista and Samba are not friends but only
after a day and a hlf of playing with a smb.conf file and reading
maybe a hundred web pages devoted to helping people get Samba working,
and this is with Windows XP which supposedly plays nicely with Samba.
I wouldn't know know, I never got Samba working.


http://www.dice.inf.ed.ac.uk/groups/...ocs/samba.html

3rd link on google and samba

At this point, I took the Linux CD's, all 6 of them including the
rescue CD which seems useless BTW and tossed them, violently I might
add, into the dustbin.

I have wasted far too much time with this Linux crap and I don't
intend to waste another millisecond trying to shoehorn this pile of
garbage into my systems.

I can see why Linux is free.
It doesn't work!

I can also see why it is not even making the slightest ding in
Microsoft's armour:
It, Linux, doesn't work.

I'm not sure, but if the Linux users expect people, ordinary people,
to spend their lives Googling in order to make Linux work, they are
daft.

Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly,
but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user.

Karla




Either a troll or seriously stupid

" wrote:

On Feb 25, 5:17 am, Stephan Rose wrote:
The problem with Linux is that while the postage may be free, the time
required to make Linux work is astronomical. Sure the Linux pundits
will cry "it works fine for me" and blame the user, but the internet
is chock full of Linux horror stories.

Astronomical?

I can have Kubuntu up and running on my machine with all my development
tools and a 3D Accelerated Desktop in probably less than 2 hours.

Key words 'development tools'

Now try the same thing with average Joe's desktop.
Why won't Quicken work?
How come I can't play encrypted DVD's (time to go steal libdvdcss).

when did windows play these out of the box - again same deal with Linux


Assuming the user knows this, which he won't.
Why are my fonts horrible? (Time to go steal Microsoft ttfs) Assuming
the user knows this, which he won't.

no probs with my fonts - MS free on 3 boxes

Why can't I see my other Windows machines on the family network? (Time
to discover Samba. That should take about a month to sort out)

and so forth.


no issues

You are a geek.
Geeks and Linux are a perfect combination.

Yea...astronomical..

Yes.

And note that I am not a hardcore life-long linux user. I didn't switch
until Microsoft released Vista...

Funny, you sure sound like one.
Development tools gave you away.
Next time tell them you run a library, the kind with books, or
something.



I've always wondered what "works for me" actually means when spoken by
a Linux zealot.
Does it mean the system boots?

Yes.

And......

Does it mean 640x480 on the screen?

Means 1600x1200 at 32bits per pixel fully 3D Accelerated with Beryl if I
want. All the features that Aero has and them some without the price of
screwing my machine up with vista. =)

If you say so, but a little googling shows a lot of problems in that
area with (k)ubuntu.
But you say it works for you so that means it must.

Does it mean their Epson 9 pin printer works?

No clue, don't own one.

It was probably built before you were born.

Their Soundblaster 8 bit or Adlib card (remember those?) makes noise?

My Audigy works perfect including the 7.1 surround sound...

So they finally got that one working with Linux after about 2 years of
trying?

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18802.html

Does it work FULLY?
IOW everything that Windows is able to use on the card.

Amazing.

Cue: "It's not Linux's fault that hardware manufacturers don't provide
specs for Linux programmers to write drivers:"

You were going to say that now weren't you?

Here's a clue: They don't provide specs for Windows programmers
either. They include the drivers for the current version of the OS in
the box.

Time invested? Maybe a few hours per day for a couple days to learn the
basics to work with the operating system....Nothing that is unreasonable to
expect form learning how to work with a new operating system.

Time for average Joe to get his data back after he hoses his system by
trying to install Linux infinite.

--
Stephan Rose
2003 Yamaha R6

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"Alias" wrote:

wrote:
On Feb 22, 1:33 pm, Alias wrote:
Gary wrote:
Its not how long it takes to install that counts. Its how long it takes you
to get it to work that really counts.
Vista a few hours. Linux days, months, years.
LOL! Mine was ready to go right away.

Alias





"Dean G." wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 22, 12:22 pm, "Brian W"
wrote:
"Alias" wrote in message
...
Funny, I installed Ubuntu in less than half an hour. Try Ubuntu.
www.ubuntu.comOrderthe 6.06 CD. They send it to you free and pay the
postage.
That's still more time than I ever plan to spend installing it on my
system
So you have no OS ? I know of no recent OS that takes less than 30
minutes to install on a PC. When you consider that Linux also installs
many applications, which require a separate and also long installation
on other OS's. Thus you are saying that the fastest installing OS is
too slow for you, so you are going to use a slower one.
Not only that, but if you go with a pre-installed OS, then you are
likely going to end up re-installing the OS several times, as even the
experts who promote that OS suggest an re-install at least annually,
and perhaps more often for power users.
Abort, Retry, Fail, Reboot, Reinstall, Remit all of your money to
Redmond. Smile, you are one of those people Stalin called "useful".
Dean G.- Hide quoted text -
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So was mine.
Ready to go into the dustbin of course.
I just wasn't smart enough to toss it after the first set of problems.

Linux is a waste of time.
A HUGE waste of time.


Your loss. Keep paying MS.


other way round I think
Alias