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  #16  
Old December 5th 09, 02:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Don Schmidt
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Posts: 547
Default raid controller

Gordy,

Sorry, I don't know what to tell you on this. You could do a hard drive test
to see if there may be a cause to the problem there. Hitachi has a hard
drive test that might shed some light on the problem.

http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/download.htm


--
Don
Vancouver, USA


Gordy Gonyo wrote in message ...

Hi, my windows xp home computer keeps shutting down saying that my raid
controller is not working. What do I have to do to fix the problem? Thank
You. - Gordy.



Don Schmidt wrote:

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article.
26-Nov-08

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article. (Well written)

In his article he states four major reasons to discourage RAID; but those
same reasons could apply to any form of storage hardware.

Backup is not a 100% solution to prevent loss of data.
Without RAID you could do a traditional backup at 8:00 AM and at 8:30 AM
you
no longer have a second copy of data. Assuming one was engaged in some
work.

In the final analysis it would fall upon one's own evaluation on what is
best to meet his/her requirements; the value of the data.

Some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevrolets. This seems to be
changing to Hondas and Toyotas.

( SCSI still has a warm spot in my heart )

Take care,

--
Don (The stubborn Churman)
Vancouver, USA




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...

Previous Posts In This Thread:

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:17 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'RAID Controller'
I'm using an ASUS PC & have just re-loaded Windows XP Home I've loaded up
all the disks I've previously done. But It's asking for 'RAID Controller'
in System Properties, Device Manager, in Other devices. What is it after,
what is RAID Controller for?

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:42 AM
Don Phillipson wrote:

'RAID Controller'
"xxxxx" wrote in message
...


If you have no ASUS motherboard manual, consult the ASUS
web site or Wikipedia at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
RAID is set on/off somewhere among the BIOS menus.
Unless you need to mirror (duplicate) a hard drive, disable RAID.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:56 AM
Malke wrote:

'RAID Controller'
xxxxx wrote:


The RAID controller is on your motherboard and needs drivers whether you
are
using RAID or not. Get the drivers from Asus's tech support website for
your specific model machine.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:20 AM
Don Schmidt wrote:

'RAID Controller'
You need to know some things about the hardware in your computer:
Do you know if the computer was configured with RAID ARRAY? Two duplicate
hard drives with drive/s C (and D etc) on both drives.

RAID Array is the way my ASUS motherboard is setup, two hard drives with C
&
D on both. What happens on one drive happens on the second drive. It is a
guarantee to prevent loss of data. If one drive goes bad the second drive
continues to work until you unplug the bad drive and put in a new drive;
then all of surviving drive is copied over to the new drive.

So, the first thing you need to know is how your computer was designed.

When you did the Windows reinstall, did you delete all of the files off
the
drive? Did you reformat the drive? I don't mean to say do these things,
just did you do them. If you did and your computer was setup with a RAID
ARRAY one of the drives isn't being used.

If you don't mind looking into the BIOS you could look under the MAIN
heading, IDE Configuration, Configure SATA and see what has been selected.
The three choices are, IDE, RAID, AHCI.


--
Don - Windows XP Pro? SP 3
Vancouver, USA


"xxxxx" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:31 AM
John McKenzie wrote:

'RAID Controller'
xxxxx wrote:
If you have a raid configuration on your PC you will find the raid
controller software on the motherboard CD or DVD. Simply copy it to a
floppy drive or CD. During the windows setup you probably get a request
to press F6 to install the RAID drivers.

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 5:30 PM
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

'RAID Controller'
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:20:07 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:



There are several different types of RAID. What you describe is not
RAID in general, but simply one of those several different types. It's
RAID 1, also called mirroring.




It is no such guarantee at all. The purpose of RAID1 is redundancy.
It's used in situations where it's critical that the system stay up,
and any down time costs them a lot of money. So RAID1 achieves that by
keeping the system running if a drive fails without having any down
time.

Since home users hardly ever need that kind of redundancy, RAID1 is
almost always wrong for them. The reason that RAID1 should not be
considered a backup technique to protect your data is that it leaves
you vulnerable to all kinds of potential losses of your data: for
example, severe power problems, electrical storms, virus attacks, even
theft of the computer. Companies that use RAID1 almost invariably
*also* have a backup procedure in place. Almost all home users don't
need both and should have backup in place, not RAID1. And the backup
should be stored on *external* media, kept separate from the computer.
You can read more about why any version of RAID is inappropriate for
most home users at this web site:
http://www.pugetsystems.com/articles?&id=29


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:18 PM
Don Schmidt wrote:

Ken,I think you misunderstood my comments.
Ken,

I think you misunderstood my comments. I didn't say the RAID ARRAY was a
way
of backing up, it's a way of ensuring no loss of data do to hard drive
failure. Also provides a quick and easy method of restoring a failed
drive.

Also, I don't rely on the dual hard drives as a backup, I backup to an
alternate storage facility; network hard drive off location.

Loss of my data do to power outage or spikes is next to impossible, at
least
improbable for I have an APC RS-1500 UPS. It also provides me with a 30
minute working window if the AC is lost.

And yes, my files warrant extreme safeguard measures.

I do fail in my protection plan if subjected to nuclear attack. If that
happens, I guess I'll have to start over from scratch. Damn, that's going
to be tough.

Take care,
--
Don - Vancouver, USA
"May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:50 PM
yet wrote:

A chipset floppy is created off you ASUS disk...
A chipset floppy is created off you ASUS disk...that is what I used for my
P5K Premium. Windows asks for this in the start of the install (F6). To
setup
raid it is accessed through 'crtl+I' while it is booting up...it goes by
quick so just start hitting it when you power up. Select which
configuration
you want. After that, in the bios setup... set to 'intel controller' J
micron
sucks. I can get back to you on my settings in the bios on the raid
controller. Let me know if this is what you are looking for.

"xxxxx" wrote:

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:43 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'Hopefully you've got mail!
'Hopefully you have got mail!'

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:36 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'RAID Controller'
No you have not . The email address bounced


Take a look he -
http://www.angelfire.com/planet/extras0/raid.html

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:16 AM
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

'RAID Controller'
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:18:50 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:



Well, maybe, but I don't think so.




No, you didn't say it directly, but to the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 (again, note that it's important to specify which
version of RAID you're talking about; RAID 0, for example, is
completely different), they think of it as a substitute for backup.
The purpose of my message was not to argue with you, but to point out
to others reading it here that it should *not* be thought of a
substitute for backup.




Well, maybe. But if, for example, the cause of the drive failure is a
power surge caused by a nearby lightning strike, it could very easily
fry both drives in the array simultaneously.




True. But since having an image or clone backup provides the same
thing, I see no real value in RAID 1 for the great majority of home
users.




Great! Glad to hear it! But once again, the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 do rely on it as backup. The reason I posted what I
did was to dissuade anyone who has that point of view or might be
persuaded to take that point of view.




Again, very good and glad to hear it. I recommend that everyone do
that sort of thing. But note that although that will protect you
against most normal power spikes, it won't protect you against the
enormous spike that a nearby lightning strike can cause.

And again, I didn't mean to make my point only to you, but to everyone
reading the thread; not everyone will have a UPS.





Did you read the article at the link I posted (down below)? I think
it's very interesting.



--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:39 AM
Don Schmidt wrote:

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article.
Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article. (Well written)

In his article he states four major reasons to discourage RAID; but those
same reasons could apply to any form of storage hardware.

Backup is not a 100% solution to prevent loss of data.
Without RAID you could do a traditional backup at 8:00 AM and at 8:30 AM
you
no longer have a second copy of data. Assuming one was engaged in some
work.

In the final analysis it would fall upon one's own evaluation on what is
best to meet his/her requirements; the value of the data.

Some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevrolets. This seems to be
changing to Hondas and Toyotas.

( SCSI still has a warm spot in my heart )

Take care,

--
Don (The stubborn Churman)
Vancouver, USA




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, November 27, 2008 2:06 PM
Yet wrote:

'RAID Controller'
U got mail with my e-mail addy

"xxxxx" wrote:


Submitted via EggHeadCafe - Software Developer Portal of Choice
Getting PC information
http://www.eggheadcafe.com/tutorials...formation.aspx



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  #17  
Old December 5th 09, 02:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Don Schmidt
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 547
Default raid controller

Gordy,

Sorry, I don't know what to tell you on this. You could do a hard drive test
to see if there may be a cause to the problem there. Hitachi has a hard
drive test that might shed some light on the problem.

http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/download.htm


--
Don
Vancouver, USA


Gordy Gonyo wrote in message ...

Hi, my windows xp home computer keeps shutting down saying that my raid
controller is not working. What do I have to do to fix the problem? Thank
You. - Gordy.



Don Schmidt wrote:

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article.
26-Nov-08

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article. (Well written)

In his article he states four major reasons to discourage RAID; but those
same reasons could apply to any form of storage hardware.

Backup is not a 100% solution to prevent loss of data.
Without RAID you could do a traditional backup at 8:00 AM and at 8:30 AM
you
no longer have a second copy of data. Assuming one was engaged in some
work.

In the final analysis it would fall upon one's own evaluation on what is
best to meet his/her requirements; the value of the data.

Some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevrolets. This seems to be
changing to Hondas and Toyotas.

( SCSI still has a warm spot in my heart )

Take care,

--
Don (The stubborn Churman)
Vancouver, USA




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...

Previous Posts In This Thread:

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:17 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'RAID Controller'
I'm using an ASUS PC & have just re-loaded Windows XP Home I've loaded up
all the disks I've previously done. But It's asking for 'RAID Controller'
in System Properties, Device Manager, in Other devices. What is it after,
what is RAID Controller for?

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:42 AM
Don Phillipson wrote:

'RAID Controller'
"xxxxx" wrote in message
...


If you have no ASUS motherboard manual, consult the ASUS
web site or Wikipedia at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
RAID is set on/off somewhere among the BIOS menus.
Unless you need to mirror (duplicate) a hard drive, disable RAID.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:56 AM
Malke wrote:

'RAID Controller'
xxxxx wrote:


The RAID controller is on your motherboard and needs drivers whether you
are
using RAID or not. Get the drivers from Asus's tech support website for
your specific model machine.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:20 AM
Don Schmidt wrote:

'RAID Controller'
You need to know some things about the hardware in your computer:
Do you know if the computer was configured with RAID ARRAY? Two duplicate
hard drives with drive/s C (and D etc) on both drives.

RAID Array is the way my ASUS motherboard is setup, two hard drives with C
&
D on both. What happens on one drive happens on the second drive. It is a
guarantee to prevent loss of data. If one drive goes bad the second drive
continues to work until you unplug the bad drive and put in a new drive;
then all of surviving drive is copied over to the new drive.

So, the first thing you need to know is how your computer was designed.

When you did the Windows reinstall, did you delete all of the files off
the
drive? Did you reformat the drive? I don't mean to say do these things,
just did you do them. If you did and your computer was setup with a RAID
ARRAY one of the drives isn't being used.

If you don't mind looking into the BIOS you could look under the MAIN
heading, IDE Configuration, Configure SATA and see what has been selected.
The three choices are, IDE, RAID, AHCI.


--
Don - Windows XP Pro? SP 3
Vancouver, USA


"xxxxx" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:31 AM
John McKenzie wrote:

'RAID Controller'
xxxxx wrote:
If you have a raid configuration on your PC you will find the raid
controller software on the motherboard CD or DVD. Simply copy it to a
floppy drive or CD. During the windows setup you probably get a request
to press F6 to install the RAID drivers.

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 5:30 PM
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

'RAID Controller'
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:20:07 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:



There are several different types of RAID. What you describe is not
RAID in general, but simply one of those several different types. It's
RAID 1, also called mirroring.




It is no such guarantee at all. The purpose of RAID1 is redundancy.
It's used in situations where it's critical that the system stay up,
and any down time costs them a lot of money. So RAID1 achieves that by
keeping the system running if a drive fails without having any down
time.

Since home users hardly ever need that kind of redundancy, RAID1 is
almost always wrong for them. The reason that RAID1 should not be
considered a backup technique to protect your data is that it leaves
you vulnerable to all kinds of potential losses of your data: for
example, severe power problems, electrical storms, virus attacks, even
theft of the computer. Companies that use RAID1 almost invariably
*also* have a backup procedure in place. Almost all home users don't
need both and should have backup in place, not RAID1. And the backup
should be stored on *external* media, kept separate from the computer.
You can read more about why any version of RAID is inappropriate for
most home users at this web site:
http://www.pugetsystems.com/articles?&id=29


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:18 PM
Don Schmidt wrote:

Ken,I think you misunderstood my comments.
Ken,

I think you misunderstood my comments. I didn't say the RAID ARRAY was a
way
of backing up, it's a way of ensuring no loss of data do to hard drive
failure. Also provides a quick and easy method of restoring a failed
drive.

Also, I don't rely on the dual hard drives as a backup, I backup to an
alternate storage facility; network hard drive off location.

Loss of my data do to power outage or spikes is next to impossible, at
least
improbable for I have an APC RS-1500 UPS. It also provides me with a 30
minute working window if the AC is lost.

And yes, my files warrant extreme safeguard measures.

I do fail in my protection plan if subjected to nuclear attack. If that
happens, I guess I'll have to start over from scratch. Damn, that's going
to be tough.

Take care,
--
Don - Vancouver, USA
"May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:50 PM
yet wrote:

A chipset floppy is created off you ASUS disk...
A chipset floppy is created off you ASUS disk...that is what I used for my
P5K Premium. Windows asks for this in the start of the install (F6). To
setup
raid it is accessed through 'crtl+I' while it is booting up...it goes by
quick so just start hitting it when you power up. Select which
configuration
you want. After that, in the bios setup... set to 'intel controller' J
micron
sucks. I can get back to you on my settings in the bios on the raid
controller. Let me know if this is what you are looking for.

"xxxxx" wrote:

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:43 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'Hopefully you've got mail!
'Hopefully you have got mail!'

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:36 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'RAID Controller'
No you have not . The email address bounced


Take a look he -
http://www.angelfire.com/planet/extras0/raid.html

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:16 AM
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

'RAID Controller'
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:18:50 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:



Well, maybe, but I don't think so.




No, you didn't say it directly, but to the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 (again, note that it's important to specify which
version of RAID you're talking about; RAID 0, for example, is
completely different), they think of it as a substitute for backup.
The purpose of my message was not to argue with you, but to point out
to others reading it here that it should *not* be thought of a
substitute for backup.




Well, maybe. But if, for example, the cause of the drive failure is a
power surge caused by a nearby lightning strike, it could very easily
fry both drives in the array simultaneously.




True. But since having an image or clone backup provides the same
thing, I see no real value in RAID 1 for the great majority of home
users.




Great! Glad to hear it! But once again, the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 do rely on it as backup. The reason I posted what I
did was to dissuade anyone who has that point of view or might be
persuaded to take that point of view.




Again, very good and glad to hear it. I recommend that everyone do
that sort of thing. But note that although that will protect you
against most normal power spikes, it won't protect you against the
enormous spike that a nearby lightning strike can cause.

And again, I didn't mean to make my point only to you, but to everyone
reading the thread; not everyone will have a UPS.





Did you read the article at the link I posted (down below)? I think
it's very interesting.



--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:39 AM
Don Schmidt wrote:

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article.
Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article. (Well written)

In his article he states four major reasons to discourage RAID; but those
same reasons could apply to any form of storage hardware.

Backup is not a 100% solution to prevent loss of data.
Without RAID you could do a traditional backup at 8:00 AM and at 8:30 AM
you
no longer have a second copy of data. Assuming one was engaged in some
work.

In the final analysis it would fall upon one's own evaluation on what is
best to meet his/her requirements; the value of the data.

Some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevrolets. This seems to be
changing to Hondas and Toyotas.

( SCSI still has a warm spot in my heart )

Take care,

--
Don (The stubborn Churman)
Vancouver, USA




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, November 27, 2008 2:06 PM
Yet wrote:

'RAID Controller'
U got mail with my e-mail addy

"xxxxx" wrote:


Submitted via EggHeadCafe - Software Developer Portal of Choice
Getting PC information
http://www.eggheadcafe.com/tutorials...formation.aspx



  #18  
Old December 5th 09, 03:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Smiles
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Posts: 97
Default raid controller

what raid controller are you using

*on motherboard
*pci

raid 1 or raid 5
what type of drive



Gordy Gonyo wrote:
Hi, my windows xp home computer keeps shutting down saying that my raid controller is not working. What do I have to do to fix the problem? Thank You. - Gordy.



Don Schmidt wrote:

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article.
26-Nov-08

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article. (Well written)

In his article he states four major reasons to discourage RAID; but those
same reasons could apply to any form of storage hardware.

Backup is not a 100% solution to prevent loss of data.
Without RAID you could do a traditional backup at 8:00 AM and at 8:30 AM you
no longer have a second copy of data. Assuming one was engaged in some work.

In the final analysis it would fall upon one's own evaluation on what is
best to meet his/her requirements; the value of the data.

Some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevrolets. This seems to be
changing to Hondas and Toyotas.

( SCSI still has a warm spot in my heart )

Take care,

  #19  
Old December 5th 09, 03:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Smiles
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 97
Default raid controller

what raid controller are you using

*on motherboard
*pci

raid 1 or raid 5
what type of drive



Gordy Gonyo wrote:
Hi, my windows xp home computer keeps shutting down saying that my raid controller is not working. What do I have to do to fix the problem? Thank You. - Gordy.



Don Schmidt wrote:

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article.
26-Nov-08

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article. (Well written)

In his article he states four major reasons to discourage RAID; but those
same reasons could apply to any form of storage hardware.

Backup is not a 100% solution to prevent loss of data.
Without RAID you could do a traditional backup at 8:00 AM and at 8:30 AM you
no longer have a second copy of data. Assuming one was engaged in some work.

In the final analysis it would fall upon one's own evaluation on what is
best to meet his/her requirements; the value of the data.

Some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevrolets. This seems to be
changing to Hondas and Toyotas.

( SCSI still has a warm spot in my heart )

Take care,

  #20  
Old December 5th 09, 03:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Don Phillipson[_4_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,185
Default raid controller

Gordy Gonyo wrote in message ...

Hi, my windows xp home computer keeps shutting down saying that my raid
controller is not working. What do I have to do to fix the problem?


Wik http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID describes
RAID as a "data storage scheme that can divide and replicate
data among multiple hard disk drives." In other words your
hard drive controller is not functioning as it should. If you cannot
boot and do not know how to repair the RAID yourself, the fastest
solution can be had at a PC repair shop.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


  #21  
Old December 5th 09, 03:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Don Phillipson[_4_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,185
Default raid controller


Gordy Gonyo wrote in message ...

Hi, my windows xp home computer keeps shutting down saying that my raid
controller is not working. What do I have to do to fix the problem?


Wik http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID describes
RAID as a "data storage scheme that can divide and replicate
data among multiple hard disk drives." In other words your
hard drive controller is not functioning as it should. If you cannot
boot and do not know how to repair the RAID yourself, the fastest
solution can be had at a PC repair shop.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


  #22  
Old December 10th 09, 12:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_3_]
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Posts: 1,073
Default raid controller

Can't help with the original quest, and you probably already know this, but:

I wish to state the RAID isn't really for backup; it's for redundancy of
data and to enable a system to continue to operate should one drive go bad;
the fault won't be noticed by the users and no down time will happen
overall.
Backing up is different and IMO the best backup solution is imaging ware.
Norton Ghost and Acronis True Image are two of the most popular with Casper
being an "OK" substitute, but not nearly as flexible or featured. There are
others too of course, even a freebie or two though I've never tried them.

I think I'd run the manufacturer's diagnostics on the RAID drives, just to
be more sure that neither drive is beginning to deteriorate under certain
circumstances. RAID and its various flavors can be confusing to set up and
use, so I'd suggest taking the query to a group more dedicated to RAID
operations. There are also many papers on the setups and use of same around
the 'net. I no longer use RAID and thus don't feel qualified to go any
further with a "fix" for it.

HTH,

Twayne`




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Gordy Gonyo Gordy Gonyo typed:
Hi, my windows xp home computer keeps shutting down saying that my
raid controller is not working. What do I have to do to fix the
problem? Thank You. - Gordy.



Don Schmidt wrote:

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article.
26-Nov-08

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article. (Well
written)

In his article he states four major reasons to discourage RAID; but
those
same reasons could apply to any form of storage hardware.

Backup is not a 100% solution to prevent loss of data.
Without RAID you could do a traditional backup at 8:00 AM and at 8:30
AM you
no longer have a second copy of data. Assuming one was engaged in
some work.

In the final analysis it would fall upon one's own evaluation on what
is
best to meet his/her requirements; the value of the data.

Some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevrolets. This seems to be
changing to Hondas and Toyotas.

( SCSI still has a warm spot in my heart )

Take care,

--
Don (The stubborn Churman)
Vancouver, USA




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...

Previous Posts In This Thread:

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:17 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'RAID Controller'
I'm using an ASUS PC & have just re-loaded Windows XP Home I've
loaded up
all the disks I've previously done. But It's asking for 'RAID
Controller'
in System Properties, Device Manager, in Other devices. What is it
after,
what is RAID Controller for?

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:42 AM
Don Phillipson wrote:

'RAID Controller'
"xxxxx" wrote in message
...


If you have no ASUS motherboard manual, consult the ASUS
web site or Wikipedia at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
RAID is set on/off somewhere among the BIOS menus.
Unless you need to mirror (duplicate) a hard drive, disable RAID.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:56 AM
Malke wrote:

'RAID Controller'
xxxxx wrote:


The RAID controller is on your motherboard and needs drivers whether
you are
using RAID or not. Get the drivers from Asus's tech support website
for
your specific model machine.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:20 AM
Don Schmidt wrote:

'RAID Controller'
You need to know some things about the hardware in your computer:
Do you know if the computer was configured with RAID ARRAY? Two
duplicate
hard drives with drive/s C (and D etc) on both drives.

RAID Array is the way my ASUS motherboard is setup, two hard drives
with C &
D on both. What happens on one drive happens on the second drive. It
is a
guarantee to prevent loss of data. If one drive goes bad the second
drive
continues to work until you unplug the bad drive and put in a new
drive;
then all of surviving drive is copied over to the new drive.

So, the first thing you need to know is how your computer was
designed.

When you did the Windows reinstall, did you delete all of the files
off the
drive? Did you reformat the drive? I don't mean to say do these
things,
just did you do them. If you did and your computer was setup with a
RAID
ARRAY one of the drives isn't being used.

If you don't mind looking into the BIOS you could look under the MAIN
heading, IDE Configuration, Configure SATA and see what has been
selected.
The three choices are, IDE, RAID, AHCI.


--
Don - Windows XP Pro? SP 3
Vancouver, USA


"xxxxx" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:31 AM
John McKenzie wrote:

'RAID Controller'
xxxxx wrote:
If you have a raid configuration on your PC you will find the raid
controller software on the motherboard CD or DVD. Simply copy it to a
floppy drive or CD. During the windows setup you probably get a
request
to press F6 to install the RAID drivers.

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 5:30 PM
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

'RAID Controller'
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:20:07 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:



There are several different types of RAID. What you describe is not
RAID in general, but simply one of those several different types. It's
RAID 1, also called mirroring.




It is no such guarantee at all. The purpose of RAID1 is redundancy.
It's used in situations where it's critical that the system stay up,
and any down time costs them a lot of money. So RAID1 achieves that by
keeping the system running if a drive fails without having any down
time.

Since home users hardly ever need that kind of redundancy, RAID1 is
almost always wrong for them. The reason that RAID1 should not be
considered a backup technique to protect your data is that it leaves
you vulnerable to all kinds of potential losses of your data: for
example, severe power problems, electrical storms, virus attacks, even
theft of the computer. Companies that use RAID1 almost invariably
*also* have a backup procedure in place. Almost all home users don't
need both and should have backup in place, not RAID1. And the backup
should be stored on *external* media, kept separate from the computer.
You can read more about why any version of RAID is inappropriate for
most home users at this web site:
http://www.pugetsystems.com/articles?&id=29


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:18 PM
Don Schmidt wrote:

Ken,I think you misunderstood my comments.
Ken,

I think you misunderstood my comments. I didn't say the RAID ARRAY
was a way
of backing up, it's a way of ensuring no loss of data do to hard drive
failure. Also provides a quick and easy method of restoring a failed
drive.

Also, I don't rely on the dual hard drives as a backup, I backup to an
alternate storage facility; network hard drive off location.

Loss of my data do to power outage or spikes is next to impossible,
at least
improbable for I have an APC RS-1500 UPS. It also provides me with a
30
minute working window if the AC is lost.

And yes, my files warrant extreme safeguard measures.

I do fail in my protection plan if subjected to nuclear attack. If
that
happens, I guess I'll have to start over from scratch. Damn, that's
going
to be tough.

Take care,
--
Don - Vancouver, USA
"May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:50 PM
yet wrote:

A chipset floppy is created off you ASUS disk...
A chipset floppy is created off you ASUS disk...that is what I used
for my
P5K Premium. Windows asks for this in the start of the install (F6).
To setup
raid it is accessed through 'crtl+I' while it is booting up...it goes
by
quick so just start hitting it when you power up. Select which
configuration
you want. After that, in the bios setup... set to 'intel controller'
J micron
sucks. I can get back to you on my settings in the bios on the raid
controller. Let me know if this is what you are looking for.

"xxxxx" wrote:

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:43 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'Hopefully you've got mail!
'Hopefully you have got mail!'

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:36 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'RAID Controller'
No you have not . The email address bounced


Take a look he -
http://www.angelfire.com/planet/extras0/raid.html

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:16 AM
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

'RAID Controller'
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:18:50 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:



Well, maybe, but I don't think so.




No, you didn't say it directly, but to the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 (again, note that it's important to specify which
version of RAID you're talking about; RAID 0, for example, is
completely different), they think of it as a substitute for backup.
The purpose of my message was not to argue with you, but to point out
to others reading it here that it should *not* be thought of a
substitute for backup.




Well, maybe. But if, for example, the cause of the drive failure is a
power surge caused by a nearby lightning strike, it could very easily
fry both drives in the array simultaneously.




True. But since having an image or clone backup provides the same
thing, I see no real value in RAID 1 for the great majority of home
users.




Great! Glad to hear it! But once again, the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 do rely on it as backup. The reason I posted what I
did was to dissuade anyone who has that point of view or might be
persuaded to take that point of view.




Again, very good and glad to hear it. I recommend that everyone do
that sort of thing. But note that although that will protect you
against most normal power spikes, it won't protect you against the
enormous spike that a nearby lightning strike can cause.

And again, I didn't mean to make my point only to you, but to everyone
reading the thread; not everyone will have a UPS.





Did you read the article at the link I posted (down below)? I think
it's very interesting.



--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:39 AM
Don Schmidt wrote:

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article.
Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article. (Well
written)

In his article he states four major reasons to discourage RAID; but
those
same reasons could apply to any form of storage hardware.

Backup is not a 100% solution to prevent loss of data.
Without RAID you could do a traditional backup at 8:00 AM and at 8:30
AM you
no longer have a second copy of data. Assuming one was engaged in
some work.

In the final analysis it would fall upon one's own evaluation on what
is
best to meet his/her requirements; the value of the data.

Some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevrolets. This seems to be
changing to Hondas and Toyotas.

( SCSI still has a warm spot in my heart )

Take care,



  #23  
Old December 10th 09, 12:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,073
Default raid controller

Can't help with the original quest, and you probably already know this, but:

I wish to state the RAID isn't really for backup; it's for redundancy of
data and to enable a system to continue to operate should one drive go bad;
the fault won't be noticed by the users and no down time will happen
overall.
Backing up is different and IMO the best backup solution is imaging ware.
Norton Ghost and Acronis True Image are two of the most popular with Casper
being an "OK" substitute, but not nearly as flexible or featured. There are
others too of course, even a freebie or two though I've never tried them.

I think I'd run the manufacturer's diagnostics on the RAID drives, just to
be more sure that neither drive is beginning to deteriorate under certain
circumstances. RAID and its various flavors can be confusing to set up and
use, so I'd suggest taking the query to a group more dedicated to RAID
operations. There are also many papers on the setups and use of same around
the 'net. I no longer use RAID and thus don't feel qualified to go any
further with a "fix" for it.

HTH,

Twayne`




In ,
Gordy Gonyo Gordy Gonyo typed:
Hi, my windows xp home computer keeps shutting down saying that my
raid controller is not working. What do I have to do to fix the
problem? Thank You. - Gordy.



Don Schmidt wrote:

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article.
26-Nov-08

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article. (Well
written)

In his article he states four major reasons to discourage RAID; but
those
same reasons could apply to any form of storage hardware.

Backup is not a 100% solution to prevent loss of data.
Without RAID you could do a traditional backup at 8:00 AM and at 8:30
AM you
no longer have a second copy of data. Assuming one was engaged in
some work.

In the final analysis it would fall upon one's own evaluation on what
is
best to meet his/her requirements; the value of the data.

Some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevrolets. This seems to be
changing to Hondas and Toyotas.

( SCSI still has a warm spot in my heart )

Take care,

--
Don (The stubborn Churman)
Vancouver, USA




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...

Previous Posts In This Thread:

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:17 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'RAID Controller'
I'm using an ASUS PC & have just re-loaded Windows XP Home I've
loaded up
all the disks I've previously done. But It's asking for 'RAID
Controller'
in System Properties, Device Manager, in Other devices. What is it
after,
what is RAID Controller for?

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:42 AM
Don Phillipson wrote:

'RAID Controller'
"xxxxx" wrote in message
...


If you have no ASUS motherboard manual, consult the ASUS
web site or Wikipedia at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
RAID is set on/off somewhere among the BIOS menus.
Unless you need to mirror (duplicate) a hard drive, disable RAID.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:56 AM
Malke wrote:

'RAID Controller'
xxxxx wrote:


The RAID controller is on your motherboard and needs drivers whether
you are
using RAID or not. Get the drivers from Asus's tech support website
for
your specific model machine.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:20 AM
Don Schmidt wrote:

'RAID Controller'
You need to know some things about the hardware in your computer:
Do you know if the computer was configured with RAID ARRAY? Two
duplicate
hard drives with drive/s C (and D etc) on both drives.

RAID Array is the way my ASUS motherboard is setup, two hard drives
with C &
D on both. What happens on one drive happens on the second drive. It
is a
guarantee to prevent loss of data. If one drive goes bad the second
drive
continues to work until you unplug the bad drive and put in a new
drive;
then all of surviving drive is copied over to the new drive.

So, the first thing you need to know is how your computer was
designed.

When you did the Windows reinstall, did you delete all of the files
off the
drive? Did you reformat the drive? I don't mean to say do these
things,
just did you do them. If you did and your computer was setup with a
RAID
ARRAY one of the drives isn't being used.

If you don't mind looking into the BIOS you could look under the MAIN
heading, IDE Configuration, Configure SATA and see what has been
selected.
The three choices are, IDE, RAID, AHCI.


--
Don - Windows XP Pro? SP 3
Vancouver, USA


"xxxxx" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:31 AM
John McKenzie wrote:

'RAID Controller'
xxxxx wrote:
If you have a raid configuration on your PC you will find the raid
controller software on the motherboard CD or DVD. Simply copy it to a
floppy drive or CD. During the windows setup you probably get a
request
to press F6 to install the RAID drivers.

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 5:30 PM
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

'RAID Controller'
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:20:07 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:



There are several different types of RAID. What you describe is not
RAID in general, but simply one of those several different types. It's
RAID 1, also called mirroring.




It is no such guarantee at all. The purpose of RAID1 is redundancy.
It's used in situations where it's critical that the system stay up,
and any down time costs them a lot of money. So RAID1 achieves that by
keeping the system running if a drive fails without having any down
time.

Since home users hardly ever need that kind of redundancy, RAID1 is
almost always wrong for them. The reason that RAID1 should not be
considered a backup technique to protect your data is that it leaves
you vulnerable to all kinds of potential losses of your data: for
example, severe power problems, electrical storms, virus attacks, even
theft of the computer. Companies that use RAID1 almost invariably
*also* have a backup procedure in place. Almost all home users don't
need both and should have backup in place, not RAID1. And the backup
should be stored on *external* media, kept separate from the computer.
You can read more about why any version of RAID is inappropriate for
most home users at this web site:
http://www.pugetsystems.com/articles?&id=29


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:18 PM
Don Schmidt wrote:

Ken,I think you misunderstood my comments.
Ken,

I think you misunderstood my comments. I didn't say the RAID ARRAY
was a way
of backing up, it's a way of ensuring no loss of data do to hard drive
failure. Also provides a quick and easy method of restoring a failed
drive.

Also, I don't rely on the dual hard drives as a backup, I backup to an
alternate storage facility; network hard drive off location.

Loss of my data do to power outage or spikes is next to impossible,
at least
improbable for I have an APC RS-1500 UPS. It also provides me with a
30
minute working window if the AC is lost.

And yes, my files warrant extreme safeguard measures.

I do fail in my protection plan if subjected to nuclear attack. If
that
happens, I guess I'll have to start over from scratch. Damn, that's
going
to be tough.

Take care,
--
Don - Vancouver, USA
"May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:50 PM
yet wrote:

A chipset floppy is created off you ASUS disk...
A chipset floppy is created off you ASUS disk...that is what I used
for my
P5K Premium. Windows asks for this in the start of the install (F6).
To setup
raid it is accessed through 'crtl+I' while it is booting up...it goes
by
quick so just start hitting it when you power up. Select which
configuration
you want. After that, in the bios setup... set to 'intel controller'
J micron
sucks. I can get back to you on my settings in the bios on the raid
controller. Let me know if this is what you are looking for.

"xxxxx" wrote:

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:43 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'Hopefully you've got mail!
'Hopefully you have got mail!'

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:36 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'RAID Controller'
No you have not . The email address bounced


Take a look he -
http://www.angelfire.com/planet/extras0/raid.html

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:16 AM
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

'RAID Controller'
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:18:50 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:



Well, maybe, but I don't think so.




No, you didn't say it directly, but to the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 (again, note that it's important to specify which
version of RAID you're talking about; RAID 0, for example, is
completely different), they think of it as a substitute for backup.
The purpose of my message was not to argue with you, but to point out
to others reading it here that it should *not* be thought of a
substitute for backup.




Well, maybe. But if, for example, the cause of the drive failure is a
power surge caused by a nearby lightning strike, it could very easily
fry both drives in the array simultaneously.




True. But since having an image or clone backup provides the same
thing, I see no real value in RAID 1 for the great majority of home
users.




Great! Glad to hear it! But once again, the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 do rely on it as backup. The reason I posted what I
did was to dissuade anyone who has that point of view or might be
persuaded to take that point of view.




Again, very good and glad to hear it. I recommend that everyone do
that sort of thing. But note that although that will protect you
against most normal power spikes, it won't protect you against the
enormous spike that a nearby lightning strike can cause.

And again, I didn't mean to make my point only to you, but to everyone
reading the thread; not everyone will have a UPS.





Did you read the article at the link I posted (down below)? I think
it's very interesting.



--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:39 AM
Don Schmidt wrote:

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article.
Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article. (Well
written)

In his article he states four major reasons to discourage RAID; but
those
same reasons could apply to any form of storage hardware.

Backup is not a 100% solution to prevent loss of data.
Without RAID you could do a traditional backup at 8:00 AM and at 8:30
AM you
no longer have a second copy of data. Assuming one was engaged in
some work.

In the final analysis it would fall upon one's own evaluation on what
is
best to meet his/her requirements; the value of the data.

Some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevrolets. This seems to be
changing to Hondas and Toyotas.

( SCSI still has a warm spot in my heart )

Take care,



  #24  
Old December 10th 09, 12:53 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,073
Default raid controller

In ,
Don Phillipson typed:
Gordy Gonyo wrote in message
...

Hi, my windows xp home computer keeps shutting down saying that my
raid controller is not working. What do I have to do to fix the
problem?


Wik http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID describes
RAID as a "data storage scheme that can divide and replicate
data among multiple hard disk drives." In other words your
hard drive controller is not functioning as it should. If you cannot
boot and do not know how to repair the RAID yourself, the fastest
solution can be had at a PC repair shop.


I'd agree with that, but ... beware the big box stores & computer experts
phonies. Before you bring the machine to a repair shop, be sure to chat
with them about it and see if they really have expertise in that area. Most
do not.
It's better to repair yourself if you can, so you'll know what the cause
was and what to do should the problem return and/or somethign similar happen
in the future.
IMO, unless the RAID machine is mission critical, it's not necessary - a
good, solid imaging application would be better and more flexible and easier
to maintain.

HTH,

Twayne`


  #25  
Old December 10th 09, 12:53 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,073
Default raid controller

In ,
Don Phillipson typed:
Gordy Gonyo wrote in message
...

Hi, my windows xp home computer keeps shutting down saying that my
raid controller is not working. What do I have to do to fix the
problem?


Wik http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID describes
RAID as a "data storage scheme that can divide and replicate
data among multiple hard disk drives." In other words your
hard drive controller is not functioning as it should. If you cannot
boot and do not know how to repair the RAID yourself, the fastest
solution can be had at a PC repair shop.


I'd agree with that, but ... beware the big box stores & computer experts
phonies. Before you bring the machine to a repair shop, be sure to chat
with them about it and see if they really have expertise in that area. Most
do not.
It's better to repair yourself if you can, so you'll know what the cause
was and what to do should the problem return and/or somethign similar happen
in the future.
IMO, unless the RAID machine is mission critical, it's not necessary - a
good, solid imaging application would be better and more flexible and easier
to maintain.

HTH,

Twayne`


  #26  
Old October 10th 10, 05:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
mel grande
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2
Default Downloading a drive for the RAID Controller

hi! so my computer just randomly shut down and went to BlueScreen, it says i need a driver for my RAID controller. i read what you said and it seemed like u know a lot about it, and i'm totally freaking out cuz if my computer gets messed up again my mom will kill me, and plus all my documents and pictures and things on here are like my life...
is my computer using RAID automatically?? or how do i find that out??
and if i install a driver, using the instructions it gives me, is there anything i need to do before i follow those instructions?? its not gonna delete all my files right????
if you could help that'd be soooo amazing!!
thank you!!

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:17 AM xxxxx wrote:


I'm using an ASUS PC & have just re-loaded Windows XP Home I've loaded up
all the disks I've previously done. But It's asking for 'RAID Controller'
in System Properties, Device Manager, in Other devices. What is it after,
what is RAID Controller for?



On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:42 AM Don Phillipson wrote:


"xxxxx" wrote in message
...


If you have no ASUS motherboard manual, consult the ASUS
web site or Wikipedia at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
RAID is set on/off somewhere among the BIOS menus.
Unless you need to mirror (duplicate) a hard drive, disable RAID.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)



On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:56 AM Malke wrote:


xxxxx wrote:


The RAID controller is on your motherboard and needs drivers whether you are
using RAID or not. Get the drivers from Asus's tech support website for
your specific model machine.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ



On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:20 AM Don Schmidt wrote:


You need to know some things about the hardware in your computer:
Do you know if the computer was configured with RAID ARRAY? Two duplicate
hard drives with drive/s C (and D etc) on both drives.

RAID Array is the way my ASUS motherboard is setup, two hard drives with C &
D on both. What happens on one drive happens on the second drive. It is a
guarantee to prevent loss of data. If one drive goes bad the second drive
continues to work until you unplug the bad drive and put in a new drive;
then all of surviving drive is copied over to the new drive.

So, the first thing you need to know is how your computer was designed.

When you did the Windows reinstall, did you delete all of the files off the
drive? Did you reformat the drive? I don't mean to say do these things,
just did you do them. If you did and your computer was setup with a RAID
ARRAY one of the drives isn't being used.

If you don't mind looking into the BIOS you could look under the MAIN
heading, IDE Configuration, Configure SATA and see what has been selected.
The three choices are, IDE, RAID, AHCI.


--
Don - Windows XP Pro? SP 3
Vancouver, USA


"xxxxx" wrote in message
...



On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:31 AM John McKenzie wrote:


xxxxx wrote:
If you have a raid configuration on your PC you will find the raid
controller software on the motherboard CD or DVD. Simply copy it to a
floppy drive or CD. During the windows setup you probably get a request
to press F6 to install the RAID drivers.



On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 5:30 PM Ken Blake, MVP wrote:


On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:20:07 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:



There are several different types of RAID. What you describe is not
RAID in general, but simply one of those several different types. It's
RAID 1, also called mirroring.




It is no such guarantee at all. The purpose of RAID1 is redundancy.
It's used in situations where it's critical that the system stay up,
and any down time costs them a lot of money. So RAID1 achieves that by
keeping the system running if a drive fails without having any down
time.

Since home users hardly ever need that kind of redundancy, RAID1 is
almost always wrong for them. The reason that RAID1 should not be
considered a backup technique to protect your data is that it leaves
you vulnerable to all kinds of potential losses of your data: for
example, severe power problems, electrical storms, virus attacks, even
theft of the computer. Companies that use RAID1 almost invariably
*also* have a backup procedure in place. Almost all home users don't
need both and should have backup in place, not RAID1. And the backup
should be stored on *external* media, kept separate from the computer.
You can read more about why any version of RAID is inappropriate for
most home users at this web site:
http://www.pugetsystems.com/articles?&id=29


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup



On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:18 PM Don Schmidt wrote:


Ken,

I think you misunderstood my comments. I didn't say the RAID ARRAY was a way
of backing up, it's a way of ensuring no loss of data do to hard drive
failure. Also provides a quick and easy method of restoring a failed drive.

Also, I don't rely on the dual hard drives as a backup, I backup to an
alternate storage facility; network hard drive off location.

Loss of my data do to power outage or spikes is next to impossible, at least
improbable for I have an APC RS-1500 UPS. It also provides me with a 30
minute working window if the AC is lost.

And yes, my files warrant extreme safeguard measures.

I do fail in my protection plan if subjected to nuclear attack. If that
happens, I guess I'll have to start over from scratch. Damn, that's going
to be tough.

Take care,
--
Don - Vancouver, USA
"May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...



On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:50 PM yet wrote:


A chipset floppy is created off you ASUS disk...that is what I used for my
P5K Premium. Windows asks for this in the start of the install (F6). To setup
raid it is accessed through 'crtl+I' while it is booting up...it goes by
quick so just start hitting it when you power up. Select which configuration
you want. After that, in the bios setup... set to 'intel controller' J micron
sucks. I can get back to you on my settings in the bios on the raid
controller. Let me know if this is what you are looking for.

"xxxxx" wrote:



On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:43 AM xxxxx wrote:


'Hopefully you have got mail!'



On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:36 AM xxxxx wrote:


No you have not . The email address bounced


Take a look he -
http://www.angelfire.com/planet/extras0/raid.html



On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:16 AM Ken Blake, MVP wrote:


On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:18:50 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:



Well, maybe, but I don't think so.




No, you didn't say it directly, but to the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 (again, note that it's important to specify which
version of RAID you're talking about; RAID 0, for example, is
completely different), they think of it as a substitute for backup.
The purpose of my message was not to argue with you, but to point out
to others reading it here that it should *not* be thought of a
substitute for backup.




Well, maybe. But if, for example, the cause of the drive failure is a
power surge caused by a nearby lightning strike, it could very easily
fry both drives in the array simultaneously.




True. But since having an image or clone backup provides the same
thing, I see no real value in RAID 1 for the great majority of home
users.




Great! Glad to hear it! But once again, the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 do rely on it as backup. The reason I posted what I
did was to dissuade anyone who has that point of view or might be
persuaded to take that point of view.




Again, very good and glad to hear it. I recommend that everyone do
that sort of thing. But note that although that will protect you
against most normal power spikes, it won't protect you against the
enormous spike that a nearby lightning strike can cause.

And again, I didn't mean to make my point only to you, but to everyone
reading the thread; not everyone will have a UPS.





Did you read the article at the link I posted (down below)? I think
it's very interesting.



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On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:39 AM Don Schmidt wrote:


Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article. (Well written)

In his article he states four major reasons to discourage RAID; but those
same reasons could apply to any form of storage hardware.

Backup is not a 100% solution to prevent loss of data.
Without RAID you could do a traditional backup at 8:00 AM and at 8:30 AM you
no longer have a second copy of data. Assuming one was engaged in some work.

In the final analysis it would fall upon one's own evaluation on what is
best to meet his/her requirements; the value of the data.

Some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevrolets. This seems to be
changing to Hondas and Toyotas.

( SCSI still has a warm spot in my heart )

Take care,

--
Don (The stubborn Churman)
Vancouver, USA




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...



On Thursday, November 27, 2008 2:06 PM Yet wrote:


U got mail with my e-mail addy

"xxxxx" wrote:



On Saturday, December 05, 2009 6:52 AM Gordy Gonyo wrote:


Hi, my windows xp home computer keeps shutting down saying that my raid controller is not working. What do I have to do to fix the problem? Thank You. - Gordy.



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Old October 10th 10, 05:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
mel grande
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Default Installing a Driver for RAID

sorry if u already got a message from me about this i culdnt tell whether it sent or not... im new to this webiste...
anyways,
my computer randomly shut down and went to BlueScreen, and it says i need a driver for my RAID controller. i know nothing about this and you seemed to know a lot, so if you could help me that'd be soo super amazing cuz i'm totally freaking out right now cuz if my computer gets messed up again my mom'll kill me cuz she can't afford to fix it again... and plus i don't want to lose all my files and documents and pictures, those are like my life...
soo is there anything i should know or do before i follow the instructions my computer is giving me to install a driver?? do i NEED to install a driver??
its not gonna delete everything saved on my computer is it????
and is RAID automatically on, or how do i find out??
if you can help, thank you soooo so much!!!
and if not, i guess thanks for trying!!

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:17 AM xxxxx wrote:


I'm using an ASUS PC & have just re-loaded Windows XP Home I've loaded up
all the disks I've previously done. But It's asking for 'RAID Controller'
in System Properties, Device Manager, in Other devices. What is it after,
what is RAID Controller for?



On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:42 AM Don Phillipson wrote:


"xxxxx" wrote in message
...


If you have no ASUS motherboard manual, consult the ASUS
web site or Wikipedia at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
RAID is set on/off somewhere among the BIOS menus.
Unless you need to mirror (duplicate) a hard drive, disable RAID.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)



On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:56 AM Malke wrote:


xxxxx wrote:


The RAID controller is on your motherboard and needs drivers whether you are
using RAID or not. Get the drivers from Asus's tech support website for
your specific model machine.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
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FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ



On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:20 AM Don Schmidt wrote:


You need to know some things about the hardware in your computer:
Do you know if the computer was configured with RAID ARRAY? Two duplicate
hard drives with drive/s C (and D etc) on both drives.

RAID Array is the way my ASUS motherboard is setup, two hard drives with C &
D on both. What happens on one drive happens on the second drive. It is a
guarantee to prevent loss of data. If one drive goes bad the second drive
continues to work until you unplug the bad drive and put in a new drive;
then all of surviving drive is copied over to the new drive.

So, the first thing you need to know is how your computer was designed.

When you did the Windows reinstall, did you delete all of the files off the
drive? Did you reformat the drive? I don't mean to say do these things,
just did you do them. If you did and your computer was setup with a RAID
ARRAY one of the drives isn't being used.

If you don't mind looking into the BIOS you could look under the MAIN
heading, IDE Configuration, Configure SATA and see what has been selected.
The three choices are, IDE, RAID, AHCI.


--
Don - Windows XP Pro? SP 3
Vancouver, USA


"xxxxx" wrote in message
...



On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:31 AM John McKenzie wrote:


xxxxx wrote:
If you have a raid configuration on your PC you will find the raid
controller software on the motherboard CD or DVD. Simply copy it to a
floppy drive or CD. During the windows setup you probably get a request
to press F6 to install the RAID drivers.



On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 5:30 PM Ken Blake, MVP wrote:


On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:20:07 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:



There are several different types of RAID. What you describe is not
RAID in general, but simply one of those several different types. It's
RAID 1, also called mirroring.




It is no such guarantee at all. The purpose of RAID1 is redundancy.
It's used in situations where it's critical that the system stay up,
and any down time costs them a lot of money. So RAID1 achieves that by
keeping the system running if a drive fails without having any down
time.

Since home users hardly ever need that kind of redundancy, RAID1 is
almost always wrong for them. The reason that RAID1 should not be
considered a backup technique to protect your data is that it leaves
you vulnerable to all kinds of potential losses of your data: for
example, severe power problems, electrical storms, virus attacks, even
theft of the computer. Companies that use RAID1 almost invariably
*also* have a backup procedure in place. Almost all home users don't
need both and should have backup in place, not RAID1. And the backup
should be stored on *external* media, kept separate from the computer.
You can read more about why any version of RAID is inappropriate for
most home users at this web site:
http://www.pugetsystems.com/articles?&id=29


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On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:18 PM Don Schmidt wrote:


Ken,

I think you misunderstood my comments. I didn't say the RAID ARRAY was a way
of backing up, it's a way of ensuring no loss of data do to hard drive
failure. Also provides a quick and easy method of restoring a failed drive.

Also, I don't rely on the dual hard drives as a backup, I backup to an
alternate storage facility; network hard drive off location.

Loss of my data do to power outage or spikes is next to impossible, at least
improbable for I have an APC RS-1500 UPS. It also provides me with a 30
minute working window if the AC is lost.

And yes, my files warrant extreme safeguard measures.

I do fail in my protection plan if subjected to nuclear attack. If that
happens, I guess I'll have to start over from scratch. Damn, that's going
to be tough.

Take care,
--
Don - Vancouver, USA
"May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...



On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:50 PM yet wrote:


A chipset floppy is created off you ASUS disk...that is what I used for my
P5K Premium. Windows asks for this in the start of the install (F6). To setup
raid it is accessed through 'crtl+I' while it is booting up...it goes by
quick so just start hitting it when you power up. Select which configuration
you want. After that, in the bios setup... set to 'intel controller' J micron
sucks. I can get back to you on my settings in the bios on the raid
controller. Let me know if this is what you are looking for.

"xxxxx" wrote:



On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:43 AM xxxxx wrote:


'Hopefully you have got mail!'



On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:36 AM xxxxx wrote:


No you have not . The email address bounced


Take a look he -
http://www.angelfire.com/planet/extras0/raid.html



On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:16 AM Ken Blake, MVP wrote:


On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:18:50 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:



Well, maybe, but I don't think so.




No, you didn't say it directly, but to the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 (again, note that it's important to specify which
version of RAID you're talking about; RAID 0, for example, is
completely different), they think of it as a substitute for backup.
The purpose of my message was not to argue with you, but to point out
to others reading it here that it should *not* be thought of a
substitute for backup.




Well, maybe. But if, for example, the cause of the drive failure is a
power surge caused by a nearby lightning strike, it could very easily
fry both drives in the array simultaneously.




True. But since having an image or clone backup provides the same
thing, I see no real value in RAID 1 for the great majority of home
users.




Great! Glad to hear it! But once again, the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 do rely on it as backup. The reason I posted what I
did was to dissuade anyone who has that point of view or might be
persuaded to take that point of view.




Again, very good and glad to hear it. I recommend that everyone do
that sort of thing. But note that although that will protect you
against most normal power spikes, it won't protect you against the
enormous spike that a nearby lightning strike can cause.

And again, I didn't mean to make my point only to you, but to everyone
reading the thread; not everyone will have a UPS.





Did you read the article at the link I posted (down below)? I think
it's very interesting.



--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup



On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:39 AM Don Schmidt wrote:


Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article. (Well written)

In his article he states four major reasons to discourage RAID; but those
same reasons could apply to any form of storage hardware.

Backup is not a 100% solution to prevent loss of data.
Without RAID you could do a traditional backup at 8:00 AM and at 8:30 AM you
no longer have a second copy of data. Assuming one was engaged in some work.

In the final analysis it would fall upon one's own evaluation on what is
best to meet his/her requirements; the value of the data.

Some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevrolets. This seems to be
changing to Hondas and Toyotas.

( SCSI still has a warm spot in my heart )

Take care,

--
Don (The stubborn Churman)
Vancouver, USA




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...



On Thursday, November 27, 2008 2:06 PM Yet wrote:


U got mail with my e-mail addy

"xxxxx" wrote:



On Saturday, December 05, 2009 6:52 AM Gordy Gonyo wrote:


Hi, my windows xp home computer keeps shutting down saying that my raid controller is not working. What do I have to do to fix the problem? Thank You. - Gordy.



On Sunday, October 10, 2010 12:02 PM mel grande wrote:


hi! so my computer just randomly shut down and went to BlueScreen, it says i need a driver for my RAID controller. i read what you said and it seemed like u know a lot about it, and i'm totally freaking out cuz if my computer gets messed up again my mom will kill me, and plus all my documents and pictures and things on here are like my life...

is my computer using RAID automatically?? or how do i find that out??

and if i install a driver, using the instructions it gives me, is there anything i need to do before i follow those instructions?? its not gonna delete all my files right????

if you could help that'd be soooo amazing!!

thank you!!



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Old October 10th 10, 07:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
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Default Downloading a drive for the RAID Controller

On 10/10/2010 11:03 AM, mel grande wrote:
hi! so my computer just randomly shut down and went to BlueScreen, it says i need a driver for my RAID controller. i read what you said and it seemed like u know a lot about it, and i'm totally freaking out cuz if my computer gets messed up again my mom will kill me, and plus all my documents and pictures and things on here are like my life...
is my computer using RAID automatically?? or how do i find that out??
and if i install a driver, using the instructions it gives me, is there anything i need to do before i follow those instructions?? its not gonna delete all my files right????
if you could help that'd be soooo amazing!!
thank you!!


snip


First off...do not respond to messages that are two years old.
If you have a problem just ask it.

First thing I'd do is backup your data...
just to be on the safe side.

If there is one HD in your machine you do not have a RAID array
but the controller itself may need a driver.

If so, get the driver from the manufacturer of the device.
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Old October 11th 10, 01:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Don Phillipson[_4_]
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Default Installing a Driver for RAID

"mel grande" wrote in message
...
my computer randomly shut down and went to BlueScreen, and it says i need
a driver for my RAID
controller. i know nothing about this . . .
i don't want to lose all my files and documents and pictures, those are
like my life...
soo is there anything i should know or do before i follow the instructions
my
computer is giving me to install a driver?? do i NEED to install a
driver??


Why should any home user need RA = Redundant Arrays (duplicated hard
drives)? The market for RAID was business and public-service computers
which could not afford to lose any data under any circumstances (and could
pay for the extra hardware) and could never shut down to back up data (your
files and pictures).

RAID is documented in Wikipedia etc. and in motherboard manuals.
Supplying the requested RAID driver (from the motherboard hardware
CD or else a download) ought not to delete any existing data.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


  #30  
Old October 11th 10, 11:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Don Schmidt
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Default Installing a Driver for RAID

The need to have RAID or not would depend on how you value your data. I
have a RAID setup for I value my data very highly; I also backup monthly to
a RAID network drive. The only extra costs for having RAID is the cost of a
second hard drive and these days, pennies compared to the '80's. My first
hard drive was a SCSI drive with an Atari computer; the 20mb drive retailed
for $900! I was very fortunate for I got it at a discount price of $750!!
How times have changed.


--
Don
Vancouver, USA


"Don Phillipson" wrote in message
...
"mel grande" wrote in message
...
my computer randomly shut down and went to BlueScreen, and it says i need
a driver for my RAID
controller. i know nothing about this . . .
i don't want to lose all my files and documents and pictures, those are
like my life...
soo is there anything i should know or do before i follow the
instructions my
computer is giving me to install a driver?? do i NEED to install a
driver??


Why should any home user need RA = Redundant Arrays (duplicated hard
drives)? The market for RAID was business and public-service computers
which could not afford to lose any data under any circumstances (and could
pay for the extra hardware) and could never shut down to back up data
(your
files and pictures).

RAID is documented in Wikipedia etc. and in motherboard manuals.
Supplying the requested RAID driver (from the motherboard hardware
CD or else a download) ought not to delete any existing data.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)



 




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