O.T. Dell 8200 cannot power up

So what power supply should I choose?

Thanks,
Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
So what power supply should I choose?

Thanks,
Robert


From my previous post, this was an example.

I'm selecting this, not because it's "pretty",
but because it has no ON-OFF switch and should fit
the 8200 case.

Compare the hole pattern shown in the Newegg picture
where it fastens to the computer case, with how your
computer case looks. There are four screws that usually
hold the PSU casing to the back of the computer case.

A reviewer in the customer review section claims to
have used the power supply in an 8200, and I'm using that
as proof the cables are long enough. I can't find any
pictures with the cables laid out for inspection.

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http://www.startech.com/Computer-Par...y~ATXPW400DELL

http://sgcdn.startech.com/005329/med...XPWxxxDELL.pdf

ATXPW400DELL

The 400 Watt ATX12V 2.01 Dell PC Power Supply is compatible
with standard ATX style versions of following:

Dimension Series Models: 1100 / 2200 / 2300 / 2350 / 2400 /
4300 / 4400 / 4500 / 4550 / 4600 / 8200 / ---
8250 / 8300 / 8400 / B100
Optiplex Series Models: 170L / GX60 / GX150 / GX240 / GX260 / GX270
Power Edge Series Models: 400SC / 600SC
Precision Workstation Series Model: Model 340 / 350
Smart Step Series Models: 100D / 150D

It's listed here as $38

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817707049

I've no idea who actually makes the power supply. Startech is a
middle-man, not a manufacturer as such. And these will have
been contracted out.

As always, read the customer reviews, to see what kind of a product
it is.

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Apparently, some people mod the 8200 computer case, so
they can have more choices in power supplies. If the case
had room for the power switch on the back of a regular
supply, you'd then probably have hundreds of choices.
The above supply doesn't have a power switch, and the
idea is, it should just fit into the 8200 without
a fuss. But when buying a power supply, you always inspect
the rear view of the supply, and line that up visually
with your case, to make sure it fits.

And I say that, because there have been some pretty dopey
designs for sale on Newegg. There have been a couple of
supplies that were upside-down. When you install then, the
cooling fan ends up right next to the top of the computer
case (no air intake). Part of the purchasing review, is
to make sure it isn't like that.

Paul

I checked the hole pattern and it appears to
be the same.

Unfortunately or fortunately I have to wait
until the 23rd before I can order it. So is
there anything else you would recommend at
this point?

I thought I maybe cleaning the inside with a
soft paintbrush? Or maybe I should leave well
enough alone?

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
I checked the hole pattern and it appears to
be the same.

Unfortunately or fortunately I have to wait
until the 23rd before I can order it. So is
there anything else you would recommend at
this point?

I thought I maybe cleaning the inside with a
soft paintbrush? Or maybe I should leave well
enough alone?

Robert

The only thing I would do, is make sure the heatsink
isn't blocked.

You can break the strangest things while you're working
inside the computer. I managed to break the cooling
fan on the CPU, by attempting to clean the blades on it.
As it was a standard size and shape of fan, I could
fit a Vantec Stealth to take the place of the broken
fan. The broken fan was a "Coolermaster" brand one,
with a really shiny finish. The fan hub was spring loaded,
and I managed to cause the spring to go out-of-place, and
the fan wouldn't turn properly any more.

As for cleaning the rest of it, it's only going
to get covered in dust again, so you'll be
cleaning forever.

If you want to do spot cleaning, isopropanol (isopropyl alcohol)
is relatively safe. It won't attack plastics. You can
dampen a cleaning rag with a little bit, and clean up
something. Just don't smoke around it (alcohol fires
are nasty). And it's just as easy to drive the dust
into something, and then have a devil of a time getting
it out again.

While some people take their PC outside and
hit it with compressed air, you won't catch me
doing that. Too risky.

Paul

The heat sink (where the clip is)
seems fine.

Since we have to wait until I can
order the power supply I thought I
would ask a O.T. question that you may
know the answer to.

I have several DVD's that I probably
have watched no more than half a dozen
times but recently have noticed that
in certain spots the film stops and
stutters.

Is this because of bad/cheap recording
or deterioration of the disc? I've had
VHS tapes that lasted years before they
started to deteriorate.

Thanks,
Robert

On 12/16/2015 11:53 PM, Mark Twain wrote:
The heat sink (where the clip is)
seems fine.

Since we have to wait until I can
order the power supply I thought I
would ask a O.T. question that you may
know the answer to.

I have several DVD's that I probably
have watched no more than half a dozen
times but recently have noticed that
in certain spots the film stops and
stutters.

Is this because of bad/cheap recording
or deterioration of the disc? I've had
VHS tapes that lasted years before they
started to deteriorate.

Thanks,
Robert



Is it the same spot every time you play the same DVD?
Is the error at about the same physical spot(time) on the DVD for
different DVDs?
Might diagnose whether it is the Disc or the player having problems.
Have you cleaned the drive?
I've used the "brush on disc" types in the past.
Disassembly and cleaning the lens works better.
Sometimes the head track gets gunk on it and the carriage sticks.
Cleaning and lubricating the track can help that.

I had one player that resisted the brushdisc cleaner.
It had a single thread of spider web on the lens.
That stuff is really sticky and I had a hard time getting it off.

Mark Twain wrote:
The heat sink (where the clip is)
seems fine.

Since we have to wait until I can
order the power supply I thought I
would ask a O.T. question that you may
know the answer to.

I have several DVD's that I probably
have watched no more than half a dozen
times but recently have noticed that
in certain spots the film stops and
stutters.

Is this because of bad/cheap recording
or deterioration of the disc? I've had
VHS tapes that lasted years before they
started to deteriorate.

Thanks,
Robert

Commercial DVDs should last longer than
the DVDs you burn yourself.

You can use Google, type in the title of
the DVD, and see if bit rot was an issue
with the product. That's what I would try.

You may need to rip the disc, to protect
the content before it is completely
unreadable. And no, I'm not an expert on
ripping discs, as I don't have a DVD video
collection. I don't even have a "test" commercial
DVD to use. So I don't actually know how much of
a fight a commercial DVD puts up :-)

For the movie industry, I'm a "total loss"
as a customer :-) I don't even steal the movies.

I've made several DVDs by using VCR to DVD transfer,
but those aren't protected by CSS. So ripping those
is not a problem - it just takes a while.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Scramble_System

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...ipper_software

Paul

That's a good idea, I think I'll do some searches
to see if others experienced he same problem.

Kind of weird though, I would have thought DVD
lasted.

Thanks,
Robert

I thought I had responded to this;

At any rate, yes it's the same spot
every time I play the DVD's in question.

I'm not about to disassemble the DVD player
or attempt to clean it. These shouldn't
require any user cleaning of any kind.

If it was the unit I would see the problem
on all DVD's not just a couple.

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:

I checked the indicators in the back
when the Amber power light is on and
none are lit and the fan wasn't moving.

Hmm, maybe some got fried.
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On 12/17/2015 9:05 AM, Mark Twain wrote:
I thought I had responded to this;

At any rate, yes it's the same spot
every time I play the DVD's in question.
And the discs have the same problem in a different
drive?

I'm not about to disassemble the DVD player
or attempt to clean it. These shouldn't
require any user cleaning of any kind.
In a perfect world, yes.
But the computer fan sucks air thru cracks in the door
and dust comes with it. It's not at all unusual to
have a dust film on the lens of a CD/DVD player.
If you're a smoker, it doesn't take long.
The position of the dust in the optical system
doesn't scatter a lot, but it does attenuate the beam,
decreasing the SNR.
A large percentage of my "bad" drives have been restored
with a Q-tip and alcohol on the lens. If the dust
is on the other side of the prism, that won't help.

If it was the unit I would see the problem
on all DVD's not just a couple.
I think that's a rational diagnosis, but it might
be just a case of error margin. I have discs that
read fine in one drive and not so fine in another.

I assume you've cleaned the DVDs??
Gunk that scatters the laser might not be visible.
I've also decided that there may be some outgassing
from the packaging that puts a film on new writable discs.
Some of my older unused writable CDs failed to write,
but were just fine after a cleaning with Windex.

So, if you're unwilling to try cleaning the drive,
it might be worth cleaning the discs before buying a new drive.

Yes, the discs may be bad, but knowing why won't fix 'em.

Robert

This is the model of my DVD player:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/2014821...chn=ps&lpid=82

Just how would I go about cleaning the lens
and how would I clean the disks? I've never
heard of cleaning disks before.

Yes, I am a smoker but I never had any similar
problems with VHS tapes. These DVD's (Cleopatra,
Captain and Commander and I think there's one other)
are relatively new.


Robert

I was just responding about my DVD player
when this popped up and is popping up on
every page now no matter what it is.

http://i66.tinypic.com/2a0jadg.jpg


Robert

I restarted the computer in hopes
of clearing it and it worked.

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
I was just responding about my DVD player
when this popped up and is popping up on
every page now no matter what it is.

http://i66.tinypic.com/2a0jadg.jpg


Robert

It's a good thing your AV stopped it.

https://www.virustotal.com/en/domain...m/information/

It looks like it may eventually attempt
to offer you chrome_updater.exe , whatever
it's trying to do.

OK, someone here thinks the URL is legit and
is actually for updating Google programs.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/co...me_update_url/

My guess would be, you still have some Google things
in one of your SVCHOSTs. Google tools can insert up
to two of them, both updaters of some sort. And that
could be what was dialing out, and caught by Avast.

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As for your media problem, it probably isn't the
player, but it may be the protection method used
on the media itself. The idea is, they make media
protections, to prevent ripping on a computer,
yet still allow a DVD to be played on your
style of standalone player.

But occasionally, a method actually also causes
problems on the standalone player.

You will still need to Google the titles,
using as much descriptive information as is
visible on the DVD, to see if someone else
has seen this problem on that particular pressing.

Some of the techniques used, are described here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compac...opy_protection

Using my foggy memory as a reference, Casino Royale DVD
was a troublemaker, and the method used is mentioned here.
For some specific medias, you may find a writeup like that.
In this case, a Sony protection method, prevents a
Sony standalone DVD player from working properly.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/sony-really-sucks-at-drm/

Paul