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Old January 13th 18, 01:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
Diesel
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FreeMan
news GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

When did I ever say that the current Win install was with a
general license key ????


What are you calling a general license key? Sometimes, proper
terminology is important. Especially in this case. As there's more
than one type of license scheme available with XP, and, three
different kinds of actual keys, if you exclude SLIC. Four if you
include it. So, details help here.

jumping to conclusions.


I didn't jump to any. I provided you options and answered your 'how
do I validate it' question.

The laptop h=came with this OS installed and with the key it came
with.


The OS installer had a couple of perfectly legal options for
installing Windows at their disposal. SLIC based install, or, OEM
based install which uses the key provided on your sticker (if they
opted to use it vs another one), but, requires activation and if
regular home/pro, also requires asking Microsoft if it's 'still okay
to use this key'

A SLIC install won't ask for a product key during installation (or
after) and won't require activation, either. So long as the SLIC
install binary matches (usually) the vendor ID string in the BIOS.
It's so called 'keyed' to the machine. This type of installation,
like VLK, also doesn't check in with microsoft every so many days
(180 I think it is) either.

I said if necessary i could use the general license key but have
chosen not to.

So far, still not request for activation and this only happened
once after several months of on-line use and now another month or
so later still no activation request.

What do you make of that ?


It would be fantastic if you'd use the quote abilities of your usenet
client. So that we know who you're responding to. I couldn't even
find it in the ****ing reference line, unless you're replying to one
of your own posts as two of those are present in your reference
line... Nobody elses is.

Message-ID:

Months after purchasing a XP Pro refurbished laptop I am getting a *
in the tray and wanting to validate. I have used every day for
hours.

I tried all the options and they all failed that are presented from
the menu at the * in the tray.

Several of the webpages that get opened are blank.

The main webpage with two options to validate opens ok but both
options fail. Files get downloaded but do not run.

There is a MS tag on the bottom of the laptop.

How do I tell what the tag represents ?

What to do to validate ?

Where do I look in Windows to get the product key ?

Atleast one other poster, if I recall correctly, told you how to
lookup the current key windows is using. I provided you the answer to
the validate question you presented via a simple to use console
command.

You also mentioned (in another post) that you have a universal
license (I'm not sure what you mean exactly by that) and in another
post, your last prior to this one, you asked what would happen if you
didn't validate and various people told you.

And finally, you mentioned the activation window went away; which
means it succesfully checked in with microsoft, so you're not using a
slic or vlk install, but an oem install.

Which is essentially what Paul already told you, back on Dec 30th.
So you either missed the post (possible) or, you didn't understand
what he was writing about and chose to ignore it. Which is why you're
asking the same question again now. So, in the event you see this
post. Your machine had an opportunity to check in with the great and
powerful Microsoft and verify it's key was still okay to use.

You'd have to be more specific on what exactly you're calling an MS
tag on the bottom of the laptop? if you want help with that.





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  #32  
Old January 15th 18, 05:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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On 08/01/2018 22:00, Diesel wrote:
Java Jive news Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:56:21 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

[So another snip of 11 lines of unread bull****]


Your efforts to jump to conclusions do amuse me. Much more so when
they are not based on fact, rather your inferiority complex.


Pots & kettles!

You're wrong concerning how XP works again concerning updates. It
didn't require you to login to be able to pull updates, either.


It did if you chose that option during installation or subsequently.

It depended upon user choices made - I always chose to be
notified of updates, and I would choose which and when to install,
in which case Obviously in the former case, you had to be logged
on


Which isn't the default setting.


A choice had to be made during installation, and whatever choice was
made became the default setting for that machine until and if
subsequently it was changed. And as based on your pathetic record most
probably you'll try and bull**** some more, note that I've just checked
by doing a fresh XP install from scratch. The relevant choices
presented were ...
* Help protect my PC by turning on Automatic Updates now
(recommended)
* Not right now
.... and NEITHER radio button option was selected by default, so NEITHER
could be called a default - the installer HAD to make an active choice
between the two before the 'Next' button became enabled.

So, if going by defaults, Windows
did not require you to be logged in.


WRONG as above - the installer HAD to make a choice, the default
setting became that choice.

What cracks me up more than that though is that anyone (well almost
anyone) can fact check what we've BOTH written and verify that one of
us is indeed far less knowledgeable than the other concerning this
subject, but, alas, it's not me.


On the contrary, that seems to be a significant difference between us -
I fact check, you bull****. Besides the above experimental fact
checking about how updates were delivered to XP machines, I've also been
fact checking that part of your post concerning WSUS, and have found
that once again you were bull****ting, but first let's remind ourselves
of the order of things ...

On 28/12/2017 23:32, FreeMan wrote:
Months after purchasing a XP Pro refurbished laptop I am getting a * in
the tray and wanting to validate.


Note that there was no mention there or in the rest of his original post
of anything to suggest that he was other than an average bod, probably a
home user, trying to validate an old installation of XP, or that he
might have had access to a VLK. This was the relevant part of your
reply ...

On 02/01/2018 02:01, Diesel wrote:
Wait, I lied. There's actually another option, but, it's not
exactly a legal one. That is, if you really want to keep XP pro.
You'll have to reinstall it, from scratch though.


.... to which I replied ...

No, not really viable, as the rebuilt installation will not get
any updates, not even the ones originally targeting XP.


.... to which you replied in your usual superior tone ...

Wrong answer. You've evidently never heard of WSUS. You might want to
google a bit about it.


.... so I did, partly because I thought it might actually be useful, but
I was disappointed - why am I not particularly surprised that advice
from you should be found wanting?

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...-services-wsus

"Windows Server Update Services (WSUS)
05/22/2017
Contributors Corey Plett Liza Poggemeyer
Applies To: Windows Server (Semi-Annual Channel), Windows Server 2016,
Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows Server 2012"

So the current version is only useful if you already have one of the
above Windows servers running, which is very unlikely if you've just
sent a wail mail to a newsgroup concerning authenticating an XP PC! I
suppose it may be possible to find and download an older version that
may run on an older Windows OS, but the necessity of doing so would
merely increase the complexity beyond that already involved, in that the
instructions that follow the above are aimed SysAdmins, not average
users, so are highly unlikely to be a blind bit of use to the OP and his
problem as originally stated by him.

They're not even much use to me - why would I, or anyone, want to
upgrade an otherwise perfectly good recent PC or laptop that is running
a workstation OS comfortably to run a server OS requiring 2GB of extra
RAM, just to drag a much older outdated laptop or two kicking and
screaming into the present?

So I return to my original criticism of what you wrote, to rebuild an XP
installation from scratch now that end-of-support has passed is not a
viable option for most people, because, without jumping through many
difficult hoops, it won't get any security updates, and, from what we've
learned from the OP since, 'most people' appears to include him.

I rest my case. You are an arrogant bull****ter, to whom I've already
paid far more attention than your childish attention-seeking deserves,
and will not be paying any more.
  #33  
Old January 15th 18, 08:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:34:19 +0000, Java Jive
wrote:



I rest my case. You are an arrogant bull****ter, to whom I've already
paid far more attention than your childish attention-seeking deserves,
and will not be paying any more.




Glad to hear you won't be paying him any more attention. Please don't
reply to trolls (it's best to kill them, as I do). If you reply, it
makes the rest of us read message from trolls where they are quoted in
your replies.

  #34  
Old January 17th 18, 03:49 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
Diesel
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Ken Blake
Mon, 15 Jan 2018
19:00:25 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:34:19 +0000, Java Jive
wrote:


I rest my case. You are an arrogant bull****ter, to whom I've
already paid far more attention than your childish
attention-seeking deserves, and will not be paying any more.




Glad to hear you won't be paying him any more attention. Please
don't reply to trolls (it's best to kill them, as I do). If you
reply, it makes the rest of us read message from troll
Attachment decoded: untitled-1.txt


I find it interesting Ken how you had no prior issues with me, until
you decided I should stop responding to the idiot David Brooks. When
I explained why I wasn't going to do so, you decided to filter
further replies from me. Which is certainly your perogative.

But, to agree with a poster who is flatout lying about me, well,
that's another matter entirely. In fact, it puts you in the same
category as the stalking, lying, troll, known as David Brooks.

So in that case, I'm not offended in the least bit that you can't
read posts I write unless someone quotes them. I wouldn't want you to
gain useful knowledge off my back, that you could have gotten
yourself had you not made the decision to toss me into your
binbucket.

Anyone who wants to take the time can fact check every single reply
of mine on this thread and see for themselves that I wasn't
bull****ting about any of it. It's not a difficult task to do, and, I
didn't provide any information one couldn't find on their own (and
verify what I wrote is accurate in the process) with a search engine.

I simply ****ed off some old retired individual who wasn't much of a
tech in the field by his own failure to recognize various
key/installation/verification schemes put into use for the XP family
by Microsoft. The individual erroneously took issue with a suggestion
I made to the OP concerning reloading a VLK edition and being done
with the activation nonsense from then on. Java incorrectly assumed
that if the OP followed my suggestion, they'd be stuck in so far as
being able to get updates upto the point MS discontinued the OS. And,
as I rightly pointed out, Java was wrong.

I state again, any actual technician worth his/her salt already knew
about every single thing I shared concerning the subject. And, any so
called 'tech' who didn't, wasn't all that knowledgeable of the OS in
question.



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Old January 17th 18, 03:49 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Java Jive news Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:34:19 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

It depended upon user choices made - I always chose to be
notified of updates, and I would choose which and when to
install, in which case Obviously in the former case, you had to
be logged on


Which isn't the default setting.


A choice had to be made during installation, and whatever choice
was made became the default setting for that machine until and if
subsequently it was changed. And as based on your pathetic record
most probably you'll try and bull**** some more, note that I've
just checked by doing a fresh XP install from scratch. The
relevant choices presented were ...


I've yet to try bull****ting you or anyone else about anything on
this subject. You just can't stand the fact that you didn't know
nearly as much about XP or the various licensing schemes MS offered
concerning it. And, what ****es you off the most was the fact you
were wrong, flatout, wrong, concerning the OP's inability to get
updates if they opted to load VLK edition. You incorrectly assumed
they'd be fuxored for updates from that point forward. You had no 1st
hand knowledge of using a well known script called WSUS to do this
for you.

Hell, you had to perform a useless test to ensure your KEY didn't
deactivate due to old age. Which clearly shows you didn't/likely
still don't understand how different keys worked or how the
activation process works at a lower level. Further, you didn't
provide the OP an easy answer to his initial question with a single
command line which brings up the activation options available to
them.

On the contrary, that seems to be a significant difference between
us -


No, you don't. You tried the old troll tactic of snip unread,
anything that got too technical for your level of understanding and
labeled it as bull**** when it wasn't.

The fact you felt it necessary to verify your key hadn't expired only
confirms that you really *don't* know how the activation routines
work.

And, you haven't addressed the issue I brought up concerning SLIC
based installs; because you have no actual first hand knowledge of
the subject.

I fact check, you bull****.


You try to pass off what I wrote as bull****, certainly.

Besides the above experimental fact
checking about how updates were delivered to XP machines, I've
also been fact checking that part of your post concerning WSUS,
and have found that once again you were bull****ting, but first
let's remind ourselves of the order of things ...


It does help to have the right program to test with...

http://download.wsusoffline.net/

wsusoffline-wxp-enu.iso

Do you know what that is? It's an iso which contains the XP updates I
pulled when used WSUS to do it for me. ALL XP updates current at the
time the file was created. Which, I already offered to send to the op
along with the vlk iso and a valid VLK key for it.

Note that there was no mention there or in the rest of his
original post of anything to suggest that he was other than an
average bod, probably a home user, trying to validate an old
installation of XP, or that he might have had access to a VLK.
This was the relevant part of your reply ...


Incorrect.

Months after purchasing a XP Pro refurbished laptop I am getting a
* in the tray and wanting to validate. I have used every day for
hours.

I tried all the options and they all failed that are presented
from the menu at the * in the tray.

Several of the webpages that get opened are blank.


You have a couple of options...You can continue trying via the
browser method, but, you need to update ie6 to atleast sp1 or, go
with ie8.

Alternatively, you can try this from console to bring up the
activation window I described above and go from there. Keep in mind,
it renders in html, so if your copy of ie is foobared, this may not
work. Each line requires you to press enter after it, naturally.

open cmd.exe via start/run
cd\windows\system32\oobe
msoobe /a

I went on to provide various other options the OP has available to
them if that doesn't work out, including tossing the XP version they
have in lieu of XP VLK edition. You incorrectly assumed that if they
went that route, updates wouldn't be possible; but you were wrong.
Myself and many others (check alt.comp.freeware) have succesfully
used WSUS to obtain XP updates, specifically.

On 02/01/2018 02:01, Diesel wrote:
Wait, I lied. There's actually another option, but, it's not
exactly a legal one. That is, if you really want to keep XP
pro. You'll have to reinstall it, from scratch though.


... to which I replied ...

No, not really viable, as the rebuilt installation will not get
any updates, not even the ones originally targeting XP.


... to which you replied in your usual superior tone ...

Wrong answer. You've evidently never heard of WSUS. You might
want to google a bit about it.


... so I did, partly because I thought it might actually be
useful, but I was disappointed - why am I not particularly
surprised that advice from you should be found wanting?

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...istration/wind
ows-server-update-services/get-started/windows-server-update-servic
es-wsus


You're an idiot. WSUS offline update is NOT a product of Microsoft.
http://download.wsusoffline.net/

It helps, you know, if you're going to check something, that you
actually checked the same thing the other person was writing about,
instead of what you incorrectly assumed they were writing about.

Do you do many tests with erroneous assumptions and chastise the
other person when your tests fail?

They're not even much use to me - why would I, or anyone, want
to upgrade an otherwise perfectly good recent PC or laptop that is
running a workstation OS comfortably to run a server OS requiring
2GB of extra RAM, just to drag a much older outdated laptop or two
kicking and screaming into the present?


See above. You're clearly in way over your head.

So I return to my original criticism of what you wrote, to rebuild
an XP installation from scratch now that end-of-support has passed
is not a viable option for most people, because, without jumping
through many difficult hoops, it won't get any security updates,
and, from what we've learned from the OP since, 'most people'
appears to include him.


It's clearly not something you should be entrusted with doing, that's
for sure. You can't even find the correct program to get the updates
with.

I rest my case. You are an arrogant bull****ter, to whom I've
already paid far more attention than your childish
attention-seeking deserves, and will not be paying any more.


Again, I wasn't bull****ting about anything I wrote. But, you clearly
are NOT the technician you claimed to be, either. Not only did you
feel it necessary to double check your own key to make sure it didn't
expire (they don't), you went so far as to lookup an entirely
different thing concerning WSUS; further indicating you KNEW NOTHING
of this programs existance:

http://download.wsusoffline.net/

And yet, you have the audacity to call me an arrogant bull****ter?
ROFL! You know something, when I go to test a program, I make sure
the program I'm testing is the same ****ing thing the person wrote
about. You clearly, don't even do that. You're so arrogant in fact,
you couldn't be bothered to ask for clarification on WSUS; you just
assumed I was writing about something else entirely and went from
there. Asshat.



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