Lack of free space, new machine.

Can you throw any light on this one for me please?

I did a clean up & defrag of XP. (NTFS)

I note that on a 80GB drive I only have 28% free space,
after a month of use?
Where to look to determine the "hog"

My W98 machine, after 6 years, still has 70% free space.
What could cause this?

Volume (C
Volume size = 76.32 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 54.40 GB
Free space = 21.92 GB
Percent free space = 28 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 0 %
Free space fragmentation = 1 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 296,563
Average file size = 330 KB
Total fragmented files = 0
Total excess fragments = 0
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 768 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 1,985
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 297 MB
MFT record count = 300,838
Percent MFT in use = 98 %
Total MFT fragments = 3

----------------------------------------------------------
------------------
----
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be
defragmented
None

Phil,
Check out this Microsoft Support page, could be your problem.
Drew

"Phil" wrote in message
...
Can you throw any light on this one for me please?

I did a clean up & defrag of XP. (NTFS)

I note that on a 80GB drive I only have 28% free space,
after a month of use?
Where to look to determine the "hog"

My W98 machine, after 6 years, still has 70% free space.
What could cause this?

Volume (C
Volume size = 76.32 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 54.40 GB
Free space = 21.92 GB
Percent free space = 28 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 0 %
Free space fragmentation = 1 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 296,563
Average file size = 330 KB
Total fragmented files = 0
Total excess fragments = 0
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 768 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 1,985
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 297 MB
MFT record count = 300,838
Percent MFT in use = 98 %
Total MFT fragments = 3

----------------------------------------------------------
------------------
----
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be
defragmented
None

System restore is assigned a large chunk, by default. You
can reset that to a lower value. Same thing for the Temp
files cache.


"Phil" wrote in
message ...
| Can you throw any light on this one for me please?
|
| I did a clean up & defrag of XP. (NTFS)
|
| I note that on a 80GB drive I only have 28% free space,
| after a month of use?
| Where to look to determine the "hog"
|
| My W98 machine, after 6 years, still has 70% free space.
| What could cause this?
|
| Volume (C
| Volume size = 76.32 GB
| Cluster size = 4 KB
| Used space = 54.40 GB
| Free space = 21.92 GB
| Percent free space = 28 %
|
| Volume fragmentation
| Total fragmentation = 0 %
| File fragmentation = 0 %
| Free space fragmentation = 1 %
|
| File fragmentation
| Total files = 296,563
| Average file size = 330 KB
| Total fragmented files = 0
| Total excess fragments = 0
| Average fragments per file = 1.00
|
| Pagefile fragmentation
| Pagefile size = 768 MB
| Total fragments = 1
|
| Folder fragmentation
| Total folders = 1,985
| Fragmented folders = 1
| Excess folder fragments = 0
|
| Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
| Total MFT size = 297 MB
| MFT record count = 300,838
| Percent MFT in use = 98 %
| Total MFT fragments = 3
|
| ----------------------------------------------------------
| ------------------
| ----
| Fragments File Size Files that cannot be
| defragmented
| None

-----Original Message-----
Phil,
Check out this Microsoft Support page, could be your
problem.
Drew

Thanks Drew, still looking for the link mate :-))

-----Original Message-----
System restore is assigned a large chunk, by default. You
can reset that to a lower value. Same thing for the Temp
files cache.

Thanks Jim, already cleared all temp files, except Office
set-up files, Sys'Restore is set at 12%, will reduce that
after the thread drys up:-) but that 12% would not
account for my apparent used space?

Three things:
1. Go to "My computer." Right click on the drive. Pick "Properties." Hit
"Disk cleanup." (right by the pie chart.) See what temporary, temporary
internet, etc. files are taking up. Have it clean those up. (Dont' worry
about uninstalls, etc. at the moment.)

2. Right click "My computer." Go to Properties, System Restore. See how much
space is taken up *there.* Don't disable it entirely, but you may want to
lessen the amount of space this takes up, as well. (Personally, if the
system's going to be "stable" for a while, I'll lower it. If I'm about to do
updates, I'll give it more room and create a restore point.)

3. You say this is a new computer. OEM? (Gateway, Dell, etc.) See what
programs are installed. Do you not use (for instance) Powerpoint? Uninstall
it. Remove programs you don't need or use - there's usually a good bit of
garbage there.

XP *will* take more room than 98, regardless, but these should help you get
some space back.


"Phil" wrote in message
...
Can you throw any light on this one for me please?

I did a clean up & defrag of XP. (NTFS)

I note that on a 80GB drive I only have 28% free space,
after a month of use?
Where to look to determine the "hog"

My W98 machine, after 6 years, still has 70% free space.
What could cause this?

Volume (C
Volume size = 76.32 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 54.40 GB
Free space = 21.92 GB
Percent free space = 28 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 0 %
Free space fragmentation = 1 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 296,563
Average file size = 330 KB
Total fragmented files = 0
Total excess fragments = 0
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 768 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 1,985
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 297 MB
MFT record count = 300,838
Percent MFT in use = 98 %
Total MFT fragments = 3

----------------------------------------------------------
------------------
----
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be
defragmented
None


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-----Original Message-----
Three things:
1. Go to "My computer." Right click on the drive.
Pick "Properties." Hit
"Disk cleanup." (right by the pie chart.) See what
temporary, temporary
internet, etc. files are taking up. Have it clean those
up. (Dont' worry
about uninstalls, etc. at the moment.)

289,034 KB (Office setup files)


2. Right click "My computer." Go to Properties, System
Restore. See how much
space is taken up *there.*

12% 9378 MB.


3. You say this is a new computer. OEM? (Gateway, Dell,
etc.)

I had it built locally, Sys info says:

OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Build 2600
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name *******
System Manufacturer ECS
System Model M848A
System Type X86-based PC
Processor x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1
AuthenticAMD ~1500 Mhz
BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 07.00T,
02/04/2001
SMBIOS Version 2.3
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\System32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.1106
(xpsp1.020828-1920)"
User Name ********
Time Zone GMT Daylight Time
Total Physical Memory 512.00 MB
Available Physical Memory 303.32 MB
Total Virtual Memory 1.72 GB
Available Virtual Memory 1.35 GB
Page File Space 1.22 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys

NB: (Locale, above states USA, I am in the UK, any need
or how to change?)

See what
programs are installed.

1.71 GB, Total

On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 03:14:07 -0700, Phil wrote:

Can you throw any light on this one for me please?

I did a clean up & defrag of XP. (NTFS)

I note that on a 80GB drive I only have 28% free space,
after a month of use?
Where to look to determine the "hog"

My W98 machine, after 6 years, still has 70% free space.
What could cause this?

Volume (C
Volume size = 76.32 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 54.40 GB
Free space = 21.92 GB
Percent free space = 28 %


Reduce the allotted size for Recycle Bin, System Restore and Temporary
Internet Files.

Check Temp folders for leftovers. The default paths a
Windows\Temp
Documents and Settings\you\Local Settings\Temp

Use Folder Options View to show hidden and system files. Also change the
setting for system protected files to "not hide." You'll be able to see
more of what's on your hard drive this way. After examining these things,
you can change the settings back if you'd like.

You are going to find a rather large file called hiberfil.sys. The size of
this file cannot be changed and will equal to the amount of RAM installed
on the system. When you hibernate the laptop, the file is used to store the
contents of RAM so that the machine can be restored to the working state it
was in when the laptop went into hibernation.

Review Add/Remove Programs and uninstall items you don't use.
Review Add/Remove Programs Add/Remove Windows Components as well.

I have a year old Tablet PC with a 40GB hard drive. I still have quite a
bit of hard drive space available even with some hefty programs installed
(Office 2003 and its backup files; Photoshop; Painter).

I make an effort to keep my mail storage down. Outlook is configured to
leave messages on the server so that 1) I can delete mail as I read it 2)
Anything important will be downloaded later to the main desktop computer
(and removed from the email server). Other large data files are regularly
shuttled off to the desktop or to CDs.

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User

Reduce the allotted size for Recycle Bin, System Restore
and Temporary
Internet Files.

Check Temp folders for leftovers. The default paths a
Windows\Temp
Documents and Settings\you\Local Settings\Temp

Use Folder Options View to show hidden and system
files. Also change the
setting for system protected files to "not hide." You'll
be able to see
more of what's on your hard drive this way. After
examining these things,
you can change the settings back if you'd like.

You are going to find a rather large file called
hiberfil.sys. The size of
this file cannot be changed and will equal to the amount
of RAM installed
on the system. When you hibernate the laptop, the file
is used to store the
contents of RAM so that the machine can be restored to
the working state it
was in when the laptop went into hibernation.

Review Add/Remove Programs and uninstall items you don't
use.
Review Add/Remove Programs Add/Remove Windows
Components as well.

I have a year old Tablet PC with a 40GB hard drive. I
still have quite a
bit of hard drive space available even with some hefty
programs installed
(Office 2003 and its backup files; Photoshop; Painter).

I make an effort to keep my mail storage down. Outlook
is configured to
leave messages on the server so that 1) I can delete
mail as I read it 2)
Anything important will be downloaded later to the main
desktop computer
(and removed from the email server). Other large data
files are regularly
shuttled off to the desktop or to CDs.

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User

Sharon thank you for your input!
I have done all you suggested, the file hiberfil.sys.
does not show any where? BTW it is not a Laptop.
Reduced cache sizes, and removed all temp file contents-
rebooted, but defraganalyse still show the same disk
usage? the biggest in add/remove is AutoRoute V11.0 @
about 933,000MB but i need that, and all others in there,
i have the same things installed on my W98 machine.
Where to next?
Why are you not in Seattle? :-)

"Phil" wrote in message
...
In line:

-----Original Message-----
Three things:
1. Go to "My computer." Right click on the drive.
Pick "Properties." Hit
"Disk cleanup." (right by the pie chart.) See what
temporary, temporary
internet, etc. files are taking up. Have it clean those
up. (Dont' worry
about uninstalls, etc. at the moment.)

289,034 KB (Office setup files)


2. Right click "My computer." Go to Properties, System
Restore. See how much
space is taken up *there.*

12% 9378 MB.


3. You say this is a new computer. OEM? (Gateway, Dell,
etc.)

I had it built locally, Sys info says:

OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Build 2600
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name *******
System Manufacturer ECS
System Model M848A
System Type X86-based PC
Processor x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1
AuthenticAMD ~1500 Mhz
BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 07.00T,
02/04/2001
SMBIOS Version 2.3
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\System32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.1106
(xpsp1.020828-1920)"
User Name ********
Time Zone GMT Daylight Time
Total Physical Memory 512.00 MB
Available Physical Memory 303.32 MB
Total Virtual Memory 1.72 GB
Available Virtual Memory 1.35 GB
Page File Space 1.22 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys

NB: (Locale, above states USA, I am in the UK, any need
or how to change?)

See what
programs are installed.

1.71 GB, Total



Regional settings in Control Panel.. at the base of the first window..
location..

Regional settings in Control Panel.. at the base of the
first window..
location..

That is already UK?
Thanks.

Phil,
Try this.
Go to Start, search, choose "all files and folders".
In the box labeled "all or part of the file name" type *
Click on "What size it it?"
Select "Specify size (in KB)"
In the first drop down, select" at least"
In the second drop down type 100000
Scroll down and select "more advanced options"
Check the box labeled "search hidden files and folders"
Now click the Search button.
After the search completes, go to view on the top toolbar and select
"details", then arrange icons by size.
Look for the largest files and let us know what you find.


Select "more advanced options"

"Phil" wrote in message
...
Can you throw any light on this one for me please?

I did a clean up & defrag of XP. (NTFS)

I note that on a 80GB drive I only have 28% free space,
after a month of use?
Where to look to determine the "hog"

My W98 machine, after 6 years, still has 70% free space.
What could cause this?

Volume (C
Volume size = 76.32 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 54.40 GB
Free space = 21.92 GB
Percent free space = 28 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 0 %
Free space fragmentation = 1 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 296,563
Average file size = 330 KB
Total fragmented files = 0
Total excess fragments = 0
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 768 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 1,985
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 297 MB
MFT record count = 300,838
Percent MFT in use = 98 %
Total MFT fragments = 3

----------------------------------------------------------
------------------
----
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be
defragmented
None

On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 06:36:42 -0700, Phil wrote:

Sharon thank you for your input!
I have done all you suggested, the file hiberfil.sys.
does not show any where? BTW it is not a Laptop.
Reduced cache sizes, and removed all temp file contents-
rebooted, but defraganalyse still show the same disk
usage? the biggest in add/remove is AutoRoute V11.0 @
about 933,000MB but i need that, and all others in there,
i have the same things installed on my W98 machine.
Where to next?
Why are you not in Seattle? :-)

If it's not a laptop that needs battery life protected, you can easily do
without hibernation and the accompanying hiberfil.sys file. Hibernation may
already be disabled (or is not available) and that would explain why
there's no sign of the file after showing hidden and system protected files
and folder.

Hang onto AutoRoute, it's only a GB of space and you use it.

Other space grabbers: Do you have Norton's Protected Recycle Bin installed?
If yes, check that it's not stashing up deleted files. On an oddball chance
that there may be a few chkdsk files hanging around, search for *.chk
files.

Seattle travel plans canceled when I couldn't find a replacement dog sitter
for my elderly black lab. Thanks for asking :^)

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User

-----Original Message-----
Phil,
Check out this Microsoft Support page, could be your
problem.
Drew

Thanks Drew, still looking for the link mate :-))

-----Original Message-----
System restore is assigned a large chunk, by default. You
can reset that to a lower value. Same thing for the Temp
files cache.

Thanks Jim, already cleared all temp files, except Office
set-up files, Sys'Restore is set at 12%, will reduce that
after the thread drys up:-) but that 12% would not
account for my apparent used space?