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  #61  
Old October 21st 04, 07:25 AM
Edward W. Thompson
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

If you cannot boot at all, as you postulate, you start your machine using
your Image Program bootable CD or floppy and restore your system image.
Don't backup or image your system? Well that's the start of another thread!

There is little to be gained by citing extremes in trying to make your
point. If you are going to mess with the Registry either by using 'cleaner
programs' or by manually editing by Regedit, you should recognize the
potential risk and ensure that you are able to recover from any errors that
may occur. I have used Registry Cleaners (mostly System Mechanic) for many
years now and never had a problem. I've been lucky? Possibly.

Does so called cleaning the Registry do any good, probably not? (millisecs
gained or even a few seconds do not feature for me, my life is not that
finely tuned). Cleaning the Registry of redundant entries may well be a
placebo but in the general effort of keeping my machine 'lean and mean' it's
a part of my computer chores as is weekly imaging.


"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
"The fear that you spread is far more damaging than a registry cleaner
that
burps because the deletions by the cleaner can be reversed."

Huh? In the first place, Phil is not 'spreading fear', he is advocating
safety. Secondly, would you call it a "burp" when someone's system becomes
seriously unstable through ill-advised registry 'cleaning'?

And last: How would you propose that a user 'reverse' a change made to the
registry - presuming that the user even knows what change to reverse -
when
their system can no longer boot?
--
Ted Zieglar


"Unknown" wrote in message
m...
I believe it is irresponsible for you to scare the wits out of anyone

wanting
to clean up the registry. People learn by doing.
The fear that you spread is far more damaging than a registry cleaner
that
burps because the deletions by the cleaner can be reversed.
"Phil McCracken" wrote in message
...
Unknown wrote:

What you fail to recognize is that a registry cleaner finds items that

are
not associated with anything else (a useless key).
Problem is that you don't have a list of what to search for. Hence,
you
cannot clean your registry.

What you fail to recognize is that there doesn't seem to be any
reliable
objective evidence that "useless" entries cause any problems. If you

believe
it does you some good, and it makes you happy, that's fine. But it's
irresponsible to tout registry cleaning if the basis for your

recommendation
is without an objective basis in fact.






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  #62  
Old October 21st 04, 04:14 PM
Unknown
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

You keep saying 'ill-advised'. That is where you and I and many others differ.
If you have a perfectly good, and safe registry cleaner then issuing warnings
not to use etc. is merely spreading fear.
"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
"The fear that you spread is far more damaging than a registry cleaner that
burps because the deletions by the cleaner can be reversed."

Huh? In the first place, Phil is not 'spreading fear', he is advocating
safety. Secondly, would you call it a "burp" when someone's system becomes
seriously unstable through ill-advised registry 'cleaning'?

And last: How would you propose that a user 'reverse' a change made to the
registry - presuming that the user even knows what change to reverse - when
their system can no longer boot?
--
Ted Zieglar


"Unknown" wrote in message
m...
I believe it is irresponsible for you to scare the wits out of anyone

wanting
to clean up the registry. People learn by doing.
The fear that you spread is far more damaging than a registry cleaner that
burps because the deletions by the cleaner can be reversed.
"Phil McCracken" wrote in message
...
Unknown wrote:

What you fail to recognize is that a registry cleaner finds items that

are
not associated with anything else (a useless key).
Problem is that you don't have a list of what to search for. Hence, you
cannot clean your registry.

What you fail to recognize is that there doesn't seem to be any reliable
objective evidence that "useless" entries cause any problems. If you

believe
it does you some good, and it makes you happy, that's fine. But it's
irresponsible to tout registry cleaning if the basis for your

recommendation
is without an objective basis in fact.





  #63  
Old October 21st 04, 10:18 PM
Phil McCracken
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

Unknown wrote:

You keep saying 'ill-advised'. That is where you and I and many others
differ. If you have a perfectly good, and safe registry cleaner then
issuing warnings not to use etc. is merely spreading fear.


1) There's no good reason for a novice to use a registry cleaner. If
edification is your goal, how will anyone learn anything about editing
the registry by using an automated tool?

2) There are very few legitimate reasons for *anyone* to use a registry
editor. Satisfaction of one's own neurotic impulses is fine, but don't
try to justify your own neurosis by trying to convince others that
cleaning the registry is beneficial.


  #64  
Old October 22nd 04, 06:27 AM
dgsam
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

TY Jim for explaining why exporting the entire registry is a poor to
disasterous method of backing up/restoring the registry. I am a new user of
XP Pro but always wondered why that wasn't the preferred method for backing
up the registry in win98 as it was simpler and easier than the prescribed
method under that OS. I in fact did on several occasions export the entire
registry before running some 'registry cleaner' apps I was trying. I see
now that I was fortunate in that I never did have a bad outcome and attempt
use the exported .reg files.
A person could learn some things hanging about these newsgroups.

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  #65  
Old October 22nd 04, 07:14 AM
Jim Byrd
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YW, Sam - Glad you found it useful.

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Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP



In ,
dgsam typed:
TY Jim for explaining why exporting the entire registry is a poor
to disasterous method of backing up/restoring the registry. I am a
new user of XP Pro but always wondered why that wasn't the preferred
method for backing up the registry in win98 as it was simpler and
easier than the prescribed method under that OS. I in fact did on
several occasions export the entire registry before running some
'registry cleaner' apps I was trying. I see now that I was fortunate
in that I never did have a bad outcome and attempt use the exported
.reg files. A person could learn some things hanging about these
newsgroups.

Hardware above my means courtesy of my benefactors, Angel, Weezy and
ER__RN

Epox EP-8RDA+ mobo
AMD 1.8 Ghz 2500+ Barton processor
1gig Corsair XMS3200 400 mhz DDR
FX5700LE

  #66  
Old October 22nd 04, 07:39 AM
Edward W. Thompson
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?


"Phil McCracken" wrote in message
...
Unknown wrote:

You keep saying 'ill-advised'. That is where you and I and many others
differ. If you have a perfectly good, and safe registry cleaner then
issuing warnings not to use etc. is merely spreading fear.


1) There's no good reason for a novice to use a registry cleaner. If
edification is your goal, how will anyone learn anything about editing the
registry by using an automated tool?

2) There are very few legitimate reasons for *anyone* to use a registry
editor. Satisfaction of one's own neurotic impulses is fine, but don't try
to justify your own neurosis by trying to convince others that cleaning
the registry is beneficial.

While I do not dispute that the usefulness of Registry Cleaners in WINXP is
at best marginal, it is equally relevant to note that there are many more
postings with respect to damage to systems brought about by the installation
of SP2 than due to damage brought about by Registry Cleaners. In both cases
it may be said the problems are brought about by the action or lack of
action by the unwary and again in both cases any problem, no matter how
catastrophic, can be easily rectified if basic 'safe' procedures are
followed i.e. backup of the Registry and Imaging the system.


  #67  
Old October 22nd 04, 06:09 PM
Ken Blake
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

In ,
Edward W. Thompson typed:

While I do not dispute that the usefulness of Registry Cleaners
in
WINXP is at best marginal, it is equally relevant to note that
there
are many more postings with respect to damage to systems
brought
about by the installation of SP2 than due to damage brought
about by
Registry Cleaners.




But bear in mind that, almost certainly, far more people install
SP2 than use registry cleaners.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup


  #68  
Old October 22nd 04, 07:04 PM
Jim Byrd
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And most of those who do use Reg Cleaners and have resultant problems
probably don't realize that that was the source of them. One of the first
questions I ask a client is whether s/he's done so recently, and I then try
to restore, if possible/appropriate after looking at the Reg Cleaner's
restore file to see what was damaged and whether it's even reasonably safe
to try and do a restore (other installs since, etc.).

--
Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP



In ,
Ken Blake typed:
In ,
Edward W. Thompson typed:

While I do not dispute that the usefulness of Registry Cleaners
in
WINXP is at best marginal, it is equally relevant to note that
there
are many more postings with respect to damage to systems
brought
about by the installation of SP2 than due to damage brought
about by
Registry Cleaners.




But bear in mind that, almost certainly, far more people install
SP2 than use registry cleaners.


  #69  
Old October 22nd 04, 08:43 PM
Wesley Vogel
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

2) Like regedit.exe?? :-)

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Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,
Phil McCracken hunted and pecked:
Unknown wrote:

You keep saying 'ill-advised'. That is where you and I and many
others differ. If you have a perfectly good, and safe registry
cleaner then issuing warnings not to use etc. is merely spreading
fear.


1) There's no good reason for a novice to use a registry cleaner. If
edification is your goal, how will anyone learn anything about editing
the registry by using an automated tool?

2) There are very few legitimate reasons for *anyone* to use a
registry editor. Satisfaction of one's own neurotic impulses is fine,
but don't try to justify your own neurosis by trying to convince
others that cleaning the registry is beneficial.

  #70  
Old October 22nd 04, 10:34 PM
Unknown
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

I know of only one problem ever caused by a registry cleaner. And that was it
rendered 'help and support' to fail. It was because the user failed to set the
cleaner to ignore 'help'. Not only that, it was in the documentation. It was
so easily fixed however and almost immediately posted on a news group. (Cause
and fix).Can you post data on other registry caused problems? Or do you just
have a fear of the registry?
"Jim Byrd" wrote in message
...
And most of those who do use Reg Cleaners and have resultant problems
probably don't realize that that was the source of them. One of the first
questions I ask a client is whether s/he's done so recently, and I then try
to restore, if possible/appropriate after looking at the Reg Cleaner's
restore file to see what was damaged and whether it's even reasonably safe
to try and do a restore (other installs since, etc.).

--
Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP



In ,
Ken Blake typed:
In ,
Edward W. Thompson typed:

While I do not dispute that the usefulness of Registry Cleaners
in
WINXP is at best marginal, it is equally relevant to note that
there
are many more postings with respect to damage to systems
brought
about by the installation of SP2 than due to damage brought
about by
Registry Cleaners.




But bear in mind that, almost certainly, far more people install
SP2 than use registry cleaners.



  #71  
Old October 22nd 04, 10:39 PM
Phil McCracken
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

Wesley Vogel wrote:
2) Like regedit.exe?? :-)

Sorry, Wesley, but I'm not seeing a point here.
  #72  
Old October 23rd 04, 06:41 PM
Wesley Vogel
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

Phil,

Maybe the first sentence here was a typo??

2) There are very few legitimate reasons for anyone to use a registry
editor. Satisfaction of one's own neurotic impulses is fine, but don't
try to justify your own neurosis by trying to convince others that
cleaning the registry is beneficial.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,
Phil McCracken hunted and pecked:
Wesley Vogel wrote:
2) Like regedit.exe?? :-)

Sorry, Wesley, but I'm not seeing a point here.

  #73  
Old October 24th 04, 03:48 AM
Phil McCracken
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Wesley Vogel wrote:
Phil,

Maybe the first sentence here was a typo??

2) There are very few legitimate reasons for anyone to use a registry
editor. Satisfaction of one's own neurotic impulses is fine, but don't
try to justify your own neurosis by trying to convince others that
cleaning the registry is beneficial.


OK, I see it now. I should have said "cleaner" instead of "editor." Thanks.
  #74  
Old October 25th 04, 04:12 PM
Steve
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

RegCleaner
"Prabhat" wrote in message
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Hi All,

I have XP + SP1. I use Microsoft OLD RegClean.

Is this the Best Registry Cleaner Available? Or If not which one I should
Go
For my XP System?

Thanks
Prabhat




  #75  
Old October 25th 04, 04:16 PM
PHroGman
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Default Which Registry Cleaner?

Try Reg Seeker. Its freeware.

"Steve" wrote in message
...
RegCleaner
"Prabhat" wrote in message
...
Hi All,

I have XP + SP1. I use Microsoft OLD RegClean.

Is this the Best Registry Cleaner Available? Or If not which one I

should
Go
For my XP System?

Thanks
Prabhat






 




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