Windows XP Issue (Activation) II

Bruce Chambers wrote:
daygo140 wrote:


I just wanted what my Mom
paid for.



You already had that - an OEM license that *you* deliberately rendered
invalid.

And what good was valid license gonna do on a computer that wouldn't
run?

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Bruce Chambers wrote:
daygo140 wrote:


The BIOS flash fixed the problem.



How can you possibly call rendering the computer unusable -which is
what you really did -- "fixing the problem?"

It works now, Brucey, but was unusable before he fixed the BIOS problem.
Deal with the reality of the situation.


I didn't come here to have you question
my PC knowledge, refer to the original post.


Of which you obviously have very little, or you'd not be in this
situation, in the first place.

What situation? The computer works now, didn't work before.

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daygo140 wrote:
Bottom line here is, I HAD to flash the BIOS, plain and simple.


No, it isn't plain and simple. We've only your word for this, and,
given the content of your other posts, we've absolutely no reason the
believe that you're technically qualified to make such a decision.
Quite the opposite, in fact.


EMachines
does not offer the updated version with the fix I needed, I believe they
don't even offer BIOS's period.



Did you even contact them and ask? Somehow, I doubt it.


My decision to do what I did,


Correct. Your decision, and your responsibility to accept the
consequences of that decision.


was not because I was ignorant and didn't do
any research,


Then you already knew that this would happen.


because I'll be damned if I'm going to pay or have my Mom pay
for another copy of Windows XP.


Ah, now the truth rears it's head. You had every intention of
distributing illegal copies, all along.


I'm not passing out copies of the OS.


What part of your own posts have you not been reading. That's
*exactly* what you're doing.


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The BIOS flash fixed the problem.



How can you possibly call rendering the computer unusable -which is what
you really did -- "fixing the problem?"


It did fix it monkey nuts. The original problem of which you have no clue
about. Hence then the reason why I came here regarding WPA. My Mom's PC is
now running better than ever with that BIOS update.


I didn't come here to have you question my PC knowledge, refer to the
original post.


Of which you obviously have very little, or you'd not be in this
situation, in the first place.


You re absolutely right, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR? DUDE, U HAVE NO
IDEA!!
I came here because I didn't have any knowledge of WPA and Windows XP
installations.


"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
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daygo140 wrote:


The BIOS flash fixed the problem.



How can you possibly call rendering the computer unusable -which is what
you really did -- "fixing the problem?"

I didn't come here to have you question my PC knowledge, refer to the
original post.


Of which you obviously have very little, or you'd not be in this
situation, in the first place.






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Bill wrote:
Your mother's machine should have MS seal on it with the
'Product Key'. This is a legal key and you paid for it. It is
not disk dependent except for restrictions on OEM stuff...
You 'should' be able to do a system repair with any disk
of the OS...
Bill
Atlanta
PS write it down in your user manual too!


No, not "any" OS installation CD. Product Keys are bound to the
specific type and language of CD/license (OEM, Volume, retail, full, or
Upgrade) with which they are purchased. For example, a WinXP Home OEM
Product Key won't work for any retail version of WinXP Home, or for any
version of WinXP Pro, and vice versa. An upgrade's Product Key cannot
be used with a full version CD, and vice versa. An OEM Product Key will
not work to install a retail product. An Italian Product Key will not
work with an English CD. Bottom line: Product Keys and CD types cannot
be mixed & matched.

It _might_ be possible for the OP to use a generic OEM CD and the
eMachines Product Key, but there's no 100% certainty that it the two
would work together.


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kurttrail wrote:



You are a total moron. Your answer is to render the PC unusable again.



Still resorting to name-calling when you've nothing else to offer, I see.

The OP has already rendered the computer unusable, and we've no way of
knowing if the BIOS flash was even necessary, in the first place. Based
on this thread, I've very little confidence in the OP's technical ability.

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daygo140 wrote:
Alias,

NOTE: I am not being sarcastic when I say this:

YOU ARE MY HERO!!!



Too bad he didn't give you an entirely correct answer.


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Leythos wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:19:58 -0500, kurttrail wrote:
[snip]
What crap did he run into? He fixed his mother's problems on his
own. The only crap he has run into is morons like you, who are such
MicroBots, that they get hung up on Bullsh*t and FUD when it comes to
answering legitimate questions regarding Product Activation.

I hate to tell you this, but I'm posting from a Red Hat Linux machine
running PAN and don't have Windows on this system.

So?

Sure, I have about
30 Windows based systems here and make a living installing MS
solutions, but I don't exist solely on MS or their beliefs.

No, then why are you giving out the MS party-line, instead of dealing
with reality?

You can
continue to be a snot, but it's not helping you or anyone else.

LOL! I'm not looking for help, moron. I already answered the OP with
the reality of the situation.


As for your reply - he didn't fix the problem, he created a problem
that was bigger than the original problem.

How is having a working computer a bigger problem than a nonworking one?

Now, he doesn't have a
valid install of the OS,

No big deal. There are millions of installs all across the globe that
aren't technically valid, but work nevertheless.

has a unbranded BIOS that was not designed
for the vendors system,

It was designed for the motherboard, and it works with XP, which the
EMachines BIOS stopped working XP.

and has no support path except his own
ability (and we've seen where that got him).....

It got him a working computer, as opposed to one that didn't work. And
I believe the OP already mentioned that the computer was already passed
the EMachines Warranty period.


Funny that he won't list why he flashed the BIOS - I suspect he really
didn't need it, but I don't really care at this point.

I suspect you really didn't care to begin with, because all you did was
focus on the BIOS that he didn't ask about.

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Funny that he won't list why he flashed the BIOS - I suspect he really
didn't need it, but I don't really care at this point.

Well I tried everything, isolated all variables, till the only thing left
was throw away my mobo or flash it. I flashed it with the BIOS updated with
the particular fix I needed. BLAMMO works.





"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:19:58 -0500, kurttrail wrote:
[snip]
What crap did he run into? He fixed his mother's problems on his own.
The only crap he has run into is morons like you, who are such
MicroBots, that they get hung up on Bullsh*t and FUD when it comes to
answering legitimate questions regarding Product Activation.

I hate to tell you this, but I'm posting from a Red Hat Linux machine
running PAN and don't have Windows on this system. Sure, I have about 30
Windows based systems here and make a living installing MS solutions, but
I don't exist solely on MS or their beliefs. You can continue to be a
snot, but it's not helping you or anyone else.

As for your reply - he didn't fix the problem, he created a problem that
was bigger than the original problem. Now, he doesn't have a valid install
of the OS, has a unbranded BIOS that was not designed for the vendors
system, and has no support path except his own ability (and we've seen
where that got him).....

Funny that he won't list why he flashed the BIOS - I suspect he really
didn't need it, but I don't really care at this point.

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"Bruce Chambers" wrote
| daygo140 wrote:
| Alias,
|
| NOTE: I am not being sarcastic when I say this:
|
| YOU ARE MY HERO!!!
|
|
|
| Too bad he didn't give you an entirely correct answer.
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| Bruce Chambers

Really? What was incorrect?
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GO Bruce, GO Bruce, GO Bruce!!

No, it isn't plain and simple. We've only your word for this, and, given
the content of your other posts, we've absolutely no reason the believe
that you're technically qualified to make such a decision. Quite the
opposite, in fact.

I am not trying to impress or convince any of you guys. I know my
capabilities. I can provide references from a company I'm work for, which
is a top Fortune 500 that just dropped 57 billion dollars on an aquisition.
I just wanted answers. I got them. NOW STFU!!!

You have a good way of ONLY HEARING things you want to hear and not THE
WHOLE PICTURE. As shown below. Would it be called SELECTIVE reading/posting
in this environment?

GOOD DAY
Go take a cold shower or something you might feel better. Make sure you
shave with a Mach 3 razor.


"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
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daygo140 wrote:
Bottom line here is, I HAD to flash the BIOS, plain and simple.


No, it isn't plain and simple. We've only your word for this, and, given
the content of your other posts, we've absolutely no reason the believe
that you're technically qualified to make such a decision. Quite the
opposite, in fact.


EMachines does not offer the updated version with the fix I needed, I
believe they don't even offer BIOS's period.



Did you even contact them and ask? Somehow, I doubt it.


My decision to do what I did,


Correct. Your decision, and your responsibility to accept the
consequences of that decision.


was not because I was ignorant and didn't do any research,


Then you already knew that this would happen.


because I'll be damned if I'm going to pay or have my Mom pay for another
copy of Windows XP.


Ah, now the truth rears it's head. You had every intention of
distributing illegal copies, all along.


I'm not passing out copies of the OS.


What part of your own posts have you not been reading. That's *exactly*
what you're doing.


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Bruce Chambers wrote:
daygo140 wrote:


First of all, your mother had a license to use the eMachines-provided
OEM WinXP license and *no* other. She got what she paid for, as
unfeeling as that may sound.



My questions that need to be answered so I can get sleep at night:

1.) Will my or my Mom's PC render useless? (MS finding out and
disabling it via Windows Update or some other technique?)



Not at this time, but Microsoft would be well within its legal
prerogatives to institute such a measure, if they so desired, at some
time in the future. Personally, I doubt this will happen. It would
be a PR nightmare, as well as technically difficult to implement
without
adversely affecting legitimate Windows users.

It wouldn't be the first time MS has screwed legitimate users. Product
Activation does it all the time with all the various License Check
errors.

Be*low is an incomplete list of error codes that have have accompanied
va*rious different License Check errors:

0x80090006


0x80070002


0x80004005


0X800700C1


0x8007007e


0x80070003


0x80090019


0x8007007f





2.) Will I go to jail or get a fine?



Jail? No. Copyright infringement, as long as there are less than 10
copies involved, and reneging on a contract (the EULA is a legally
binding contract in most jurisdictions) are violations of civil code,
not penal code. A fine? It's possible, but pretty unlikely. Large
corporations often hesitate to prosecute their legal rights against
individuals, because of the potential public relations backlash.
However, with the RIAA now successfully suing individuals for
illegally downloading music, it could be that the BSA (Business
Software Alliance), of which Microsoft is a member, could decide to
follow
suit. Currently, fines paid by companies that do this can range up to
$150,000.00 per copy.

And no private individual has ever been fined, let alone sued, for doing
the kind of non-commercial casual copying that the OP describes.



3.) My best friend bought a Dell and ran over his restoration disk
with the wheel of his chair, schmuck . Almost same scenario, he has
the right/license to run it but can't. Can I install my copy onto
his PC without getting my PC or my Mom's deactivated or rendered
useless?

No, you can't.

"Can I install my copy onto his PC without getting my PC or my Mom's
deactivated or rendered useless?"

And just how is MS gonna deactivate or render useless his already
activated copy of XP?

You did answer the entire question!

It's illegal, regardless of the technical issues. Your friend has a
license to use only the Dell OEM version provided
with his computer, and no other. Why doesn't you friend just call
Dell to get a replacement CD?

That could take days or weeks. But his friend might need to use the
computer in the mean time.



4.) Will I go to jail or get a fine if I also install it on my best
friend's PC?


Same as #2 above.


For a more valid assessment of your legal situation, consult an
attorney well-versed in copyright and contract law for your specific
locale.

Shilling for the legal professional along with MS, Brucey?

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DUDE that's it in a nutshell. (QUOTED BELOW)

And he finally answer my questions (original post). My intention was
achieved finally! I didn't know I was going to go through the third degree
to get it though.


"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Bruce Chambers wrote:
daygo140 wrote:


The BIOS flash fixed the problem.



How can you possibly call rendering the computer unusable -which is
what you really did -- "fixing the problem?"

It works now, Brucey, but was unusable before he fixed the BIOS problem.
Deal with the reality of the situation.


I didn't come here to have you question
my PC knowledge, refer to the original post.


Of which you obviously have very little, or you'd not be in this
situation, in the first place.

What situation? The computer works now, didn't work before.

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Wrong RAINMAN, the PC wasn't working. Or else why would I try to mess with
it? My Mom didn't want any added features she don't need. It broke, BAD!
Basically by doing what I did I prevented my Mom from spending alot of money
on a MOBO aside from other damaged components that I couldn't do anything
else but replace.


"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:55:08 -0500, kurttrail wrote:

And what good was valid license gonna do on a computer that wouldn't
run?

Actually, the computer worked fine before - it was not shipped in a broken
format. Sure, the user wanted to ADD features or something, but he's not
telling anyone what he was trying to do that the BIOS update fixed.

So, the computer was running fine, user wanted some new/updated feature
that the machine did not support, user installed a non-vendor provided
firmware update, user broke his mothers machine, user doesn't want to
repair it, user installed illegal copy of XP, user wants to ensure that
he didn't do something he may have problems with later (which is not the
case)....

Get over it - as you seem to be fond of saying.

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"daygo140" wrote in message
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| Wrong RAINMAN, the PC wasn't working. Or else why would I try to mess
with
| it? My Mom didn't want any added features she don't need. It broke, BAD!
| Basically by doing what I did I prevented my Mom from spending alot of
money
| on a MOBO aside from other damaged components that I couldn't do anything
| else but replace.

MOBOs are cheaper than XP

Alias
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| "Leythos" wrote in message
| news | On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:55:08 -0500, kurttrail wrote:
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| And what good was valid license gonna do on a computer that wouldn't
| run?
|
| Actually, the computer worked fine before - it was not shipped in a
broken
| format. Sure, the user wanted to ADD features or something, but he's not
| telling anyone what he was trying to do that the BIOS update fixed.
|
| So, the computer was running fine, user wanted some new/updated feature
| that the machine did not support, user installed a non-vendor provided
| firmware update, user broke his mothers machine, user doesn't want to
| repair it, user installed illegal copy of XP, user wants to ensure that
| he didn't do something he may have problems with later (which is not the
| case)....
|
| Get over it - as you seem to be fond of saying.
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