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Windows XP Issue (Activation) II
Apparently, _Leythos_, on 30/01/05 13:35,typed:
don't add up to what you're trying to make us believe. So, tell us, if you want us off your back, what was wrong, what the BIOS I thing he should give the details more for records' sakes. If anybody experiences similar problem, this thread could be helpful to him/her. This is in keeping with newsgroups' spirit. Sam. update fixed, and the Model/version of the emachine and the version of the OS that it shipped with, unless you feel that you need to hide something from the world. -- Please remove the underscores ( the '_' symbols) from my email address to obtain the correct one. Apologies, but the fudging is to remove spam. |
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Leythos wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:02:31 -0500, kurttrail wrote: Leythos wrote: On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:34:33 -0500, kurttrail wrote: "1.) Will my or my Mom's PC render useless? (MS finding out and disabling it via Windows Update or some other technique?)" If you used the same product Key on both machines, at some point, one or both may be disabled - you just never know. How? I have never heard of MS disabling a computer AFTER it has been activation. Please document your answer. Did I say they would? Nope, I said "You just never know". How many people thought they would move to Activation in the 98 days. And how many Win98 computers require Activation today? Zero. How many people have Activated XP and then found that an Update declared their Activation was not good? I don't know of any instance of Retail and OEM copies of XP doing this. I've had several instances where we updated XP with SP1 and the activation was checked and we were told we could not install SP1 based on our key - had to blow it away and start again with new keys from MS. Sounds like you are talking about VL Keys, not retail or OEM ones. It could also be that one or both will not be able to gain access to updates. LOL! Mandatory Validation hasn't started yet, and MS has already stated that they won't validate computers with Automatic Updates turned on. Yea, but, as I said, you never know. If you look closely I never declared that the system would become unactivated, I said you never know what they will do. No, you just tried to imply it with FUD, instead of facts! "2.) Will I go to jail or get a fine?" Unknown. Not for jail time. Violating the EULA is not a criminal offense, so there is absolutely no chance of jail time. And being fined would require MS to sue the OP, and MS has NEVER sued anyone for casual copying for non-commercial use. But the threat is there, which is what I said - you seem to have confirmed that MS CAN sue for it. And I can fly to the moon, but it is about as likely as MS sueing a private individual installing a copy on somebody elses computer for repair purposes. Since you paid for XP on both machines, it's a semantics game, sort of. You are technically in violation of the licensing agreement, but you are not using more than you paid for. "3.) My best friend bought a Dell and ran over his restoration disk with the wheel of his chair, schmuck . Almost same scenario, he has the right/license to run it but can't. Can I install my copy onto his PC without getting my PC or my Mom's deactivated or rendered useless?" Your friend can get a replacement CD from Dell. Your installation on his computer presents the same issue that your install on your mom's computer did. If you use HIS activation key then there is nothing to worry about, but, if you use your key then you have two installs of the same key - see #1 above. The direct answer is, nothing will happen to the OP's or his mother's computers by installing and activating XP on his friend's computer. Your answer is WRONG - you have no clue what MS will do in the future My answer is correct for the present. MS does not deactivate any copy of XP that has already been activated, and has no plans to do so in the near future. or how the duplication of keys/activation will impact their systems. Duplication on one machine has no impact on any other machine. Saying anything different is just FUD, period. "4.) Will I go to jail or get a fine if I also install it on my best friend's PC?" See answer to #2, he's running one install and he paid for one install through a valid vendor - so, technically he's not running something unpaid for, it's just the wrong version of what he paid for - as long as you don't install your key you have little to worry about. If he calls Dell they will send replacement media, but not a new key. I haven't seen you answer these questions from his original post Mikey. All I've seen you do is play little games to avoid directly answering these questions. The OP isn't asking any questions about the BIOS he reflashed, so stop trying to use it to divert from answering the OP's questions, or aren't you man enough to answer them directly, and honestly? The OP was asking about something that he's been told is wrong No, he was asking if there are any consequences for installing his copy of XP on family and friends computers. Yes, and he was told it's the wrong path to take - It is the path he already took, and his mother has a working computer, which she didn't have before taking that path. and again for various reasons in replies that he and you don't accept. LOL! To me it would be wrong to masterbate with sandpaper, but someone else might just get off on it. Just because you and MS might think it is wrong for the OP to get his mom's computer working again by the method he used, doesn't mean it is wrong for the OP or his mom, as the alternative would be his mom would have an expensive door stop, instead of a working computer. and has been told many times why it's wrong And he knows that technically it is, but he has already done it, and want to know the consequences of actions he has already done. See above - it's already been said. Ditto. and what the consequences are of changing an OEM system and why. And you answered with FUD, not reality. Once activated, MS does not disable OS installs on purpose. You are the one spreading FUD, you have no clue what MS will do with people that activate more than one install with the same key, you can ONLY HOPE what you think is going to happen. I have installed the same copy of MS's PA-disabled software on more than one computer, so I know from first-hand experience what the consequences are. There are none as of yet. What will happen in the future is nothing but an exercise in shear fantasy. The correct answer is that installations in violation of the EULA should be considered unstable for updates and support of any type. Pure propaganda that is proven wrong by reality. Windows Updates still works without Validation, and MS has already stated they will continue to work for those using Auto Update once Mandatory Validation is implemented. Speculating about anything past that is nothing but meaningless FUD. Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. That is obviously where you live, as that is all you have been spreading, and it is quite obvious to those of us that don't owe MS our livelihoods, or our MVP status. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Not the way I did it....
"Alias" wrote in message ... "daygo140" wrote in message ... | Wrong RAINMAN, the PC wasn't working. Or else why would I try to mess with | it? My Mom didn't want any added features she don't need. It broke, BAD! | Basically by doing what I did I prevented my Mom from spending alot of money | on a MOBO aside from other damaged components that I couldn't do anything | else but replace. MOBOs are cheaper than XP Alias | | | "Leythos" wrote in message | news | On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:55:08 -0500, kurttrail wrote: | | And what good was valid license gonna do on a computer that wouldn't | run? | | Actually, the computer worked fine before - it was not shipped in a broken | format. Sure, the user wanted to ADD features or something, but he's not | telling anyone what he was trying to do that the BIOS update fixed. | | So, the computer was running fine, user wanted some new/updated feature | that the machine did not support, user installed a non-vendor provided | firmware update, user broke his mothers machine, user doesn't want to | repair it, user installed illegal copy of XP, user wants to ensure that | he didn't do something he may have problems with later (which is not the | case).... | | Get over it - as you seem to be fond of saying. | | -- | | remove 999 in order to email me | | | |
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Leythos wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:55:08 -0500, kurttrail wrote: And what good was valid license gonna do on a computer that wouldn't run? Actually, the computer worked fine before - it was not shipped in a broken format. Sure, the user wanted to ADD features or something, but he's not telling anyone what he was trying to do that the BIOS update fixed. He wasn't there when it broke. He just fixed it for his mom. So, the computer was running fine, user wanted some new/updated feature that the machine did not support, user installed a non-vendor provided firmware update, user broke his mothers machine, user doesn't want to repair it, user installed illegal copy of XP, user wants to ensure that he didn't do something he may have problems with later (which is not the case).... Total Bullsh*t. Nothing but useless speculation. Get over it - as you seem to be fond of saying. I haven't said "Get over it" in this thread. And I can only find one instance where I ever wrote that phrase on the USENET. http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...=2005&safe=off You are so full of sh*t that you don't know who has said what! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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So, tell us, if you want us off your back, what was wrong, what the BIOS
update fixed, and the Model/version of the emachine and the version of the OS that it shipped with, unless you feel that you need to hide something from the world. The PSU went. Capacitor blew and due to unstable voltages produced while it was failing, took out the integrated video card. The PC then wouldn't boot only but once every twenty or so tries. I tried everything, finally I used a cheapo test video card and it booted successfully. Bought a new the video card particularlly one which when installed the system couldn't boot. Ironically there was a BIOS update on the mobo manufacturers web site that specifically "fixed system can't boot with that video card installed" among other things which were beneficial. Among the fact that eMachines doesn't provide any BIOS let alone the latest one that the mobo manufacturer had to fix the issue. You satisfied? I expect nothing less than getting questions and having to get analyzed on every little thing I just wrote. I have nothing to prove. My Mom is now happy along with me too. But I didn't feel like explaining something I had the fixed. Yes I could maybe could of done this or that, which I probably tried, I spend a ton of time on this PC before I realized it was the integrated vid card, instead of doing what a lot of techs (even good ones) would of done, toss the mobo. All I wanted was answers to questions I DIDN'T HAVE. Somehow most of you got all off the scope of the post. Anyway I had a fun time. Sorry if I ****ed people off. But based on the sentence above and the thread you can see why I was a little bitter now. Have a good day! Thanks for all your time. All of your input was greatly appreciated. "Leythos" wrote in message news On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:33:27 -0500, daygo140 wrote: Wrong RAINMAN, the PC wasn't working. Or else why would I try to mess with it? My Mom didn't want any added features she don't need. It broke, BAD! Basically by doing what I did I prevented my Mom from spending alot of money on a MOBO aside from other damaged components that I couldn't do anything else but replace. Bull$hit - the BIOS that it shipped with and the OS worked fine when she started using it. If there was a hardware failure a BIOS update would not have corrected that. So, you're spouting BS again. If the computer was shipped in working order then it was not unusable unless YOU changed something about it. I've been doing this a long time and you're statements just don't add up to what you're trying to make us believe. So, tell us, if you want us off your back, what was wrong, what the BIOS update fixed, and the Model/version of the emachine and the version of the OS that it shipped with, unless you feel that you need to hide something from the world. -- remove 999 in order to email me |
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daygo140 wrote:
DUDE that's it in a nutshell. (QUOTED BELOW) And he finally answer my questions (original post). My intention was achieved finally! I didn't know I was going to go through the third degree to get it though. You have just been through what the MicroFaithful do to people that don't tow the MS line. They nitpick, get totally off topic, and spread a web of FUD until they get you become so frustrated with them that you either give up, or have a temper tantrum, and then they'll just dismiss you as some anti-MS kook. Microsoft is a proven predatory monopoly, and a proven copyright and patent infringer. No private individual has ever been proven to have done ANYTHING legally wrong, for doing what you have described to this group. So don't let the MicroSycophants get you down, and don't ever let them make you feel like have done something wrong, when all you have done is help out friends and family that have computer and/or OS problems. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Bruce Chambers wrote:
kurttrail wrote: You are a total moron. Your answer is to render the PC unusable again. Still resorting to name-calling when you've nothing else to offer, I see. The OP has already rendered the computer unusable, and we've no way of knowing if the BIOS flash was even necessary, in the first place. Based on this thread, I've very little confidence in the OP's technical ability. And you are still a total douchbag, Bruce. The computer HAS NOT been rendered unusable. It works now, but it didn't work before, so while we don't know if the BIOS Flash was absolutely necessary, it worked in getting the OP's mom a usable computer, period. And based on all your reposnses to PA questions, I have absolutely no confidence in your ability to comprehend what you read. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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kurttrail wrote:
It works now, Brucey, but was unusable before he fixed the BIOS problem. And just where, in the original post, did the OP say that the machine was unusable _before_ the BIOS flash? He didn't. But he did say that the BIOS flash had rendered the machine unusable by initiating the WPA. Deal with the reality of the situation. I'm not the one with the well-known unfamiliarity with reality. Remember, the OP didn't ask for technical advice, he wanted information on his legal situation. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once. - RAH |
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Bruce Chambers wrote:
Bill wrote: Your mother's machine should have MS seal on it with the 'Product Key'. This is a legal key and you paid for it. It is not disk dependent except for restrictions on OEM stuff... You 'should' be able to do a system repair with any disk of the OS... Bill Atlanta PS write it down in your user manual too! No, not "any" OS installation CD. Product Keys are bound to the specific type and language of CD/license (OEM, Volume, retail, full, or Upgrade) with which they are purchased. For example, a WinXP Home OEM Product Key won't work for any retail version of WinXP Home, or for any version of WinXP Pro, and vice versa. An upgrade's Product Key cannot be used with a full version CD, and vice versa. An OEM Product Key will not work to install a retail product. An Italian Product Key will not work with an English CD. Bottom line: Product Keys and CD types cannot be mixed & matched. It _might_ be possible for the OP to use a generic OEM CD and the eMachines Product Key, but there's no 100% certainty that it the two would work together. And that is valid information, based on reality. But I have been told in the past, by an MS employee, that an OEM Key is will work with a generic OEM copy of XP. MS does not make OEM Keys that are specific to any OEM, so while there is no 100% certainty that anything made by MS will work, there is a very high probability that the Emachices PK will work with any generic OEM copy of XP. But this is all off-topic to this thread, as the OP seems only to have a retail copy of XP. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Alias wrote:
Really? What was incorrect? Perhaps a better word would have been "complete." You addressed only the technical aspect of the OP's questions, but disregarded his legal concerns, which seemed to be to be the main thrust of his questions. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once. - RAH |
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You are completely right I didn't put that anything happened that caused me
to update the BIOS. That was irrelevant. But in fact something did happen. But that wasn't what I was concerned about since I fixed it. I just wanted legal things cleared up. Which somewhere you guys got off that scope and concentrated on the BIOS issue. I did post the "secret information" as a poster requested since it may help someone out. I AM ALL FOR THAT!! HERE IT IS AGAIN: The PSU went. Capacitor blew and due to unstable voltages produced while it was failing, took out the integrated video card. The PC then wouldn't boot only but once every twenty or so tries. I tried everything, finally I used a cheapo test video card and it booted successfully. Bought a new the video card particularlly one which when installed the system couldn't boot. Ironically there was a BIOS update on the mobo manufacturers web site that specifically "fixed system can't boot with that video card installed" among other things which were beneficial. Among the fact that eMachines doesn't provide any BIOS let alone the latest one that the mobo manufacturer had to fix the issue. "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... kurttrail wrote: It works now, Brucey, but was unusable before he fixed the BIOS problem. And just where, in the original post, did the OP say that the machine was unusable _before_ the BIOS flash? He didn't. But he did say that the BIOS flash had rendered the machine unusable by initiating the WPA. Deal with the reality of the situation. I'm not the one with the well-known unfamiliarity with reality. Remember, the OP didn't ask for technical advice, he wanted information on his legal situation. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once. - RAH |
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daygo140 wrote:
So, tell us, if you want us off your back, what was wrong, what the BIOS update fixed, and the Model/version of the emachine and the version of the OS that it shipped with, unless you feel that you need to hide something from the world. The PSU went. Capacitor blew and due to unstable voltages produced while it was failing, took out the integrated video card. The PC then wouldn't boot only but once every twenty or so tries. I tried everything, finally I used a cheapo test video card and it booted successfully. Bought a new the video card particularlly one which when installed the system couldn't boot. Ironically there was a BIOS update on the mobo manufacturers web site that specifically "fixed system can't boot with that video card installed" among other things which were beneficial. Among the fact that eMachines doesn't provide any BIOS let alone the latest one that the mobo manufacturer had to fix the issue. You satisfied? I expect nothing less than getting questions and having to get analyzed on every little thing I just wrote. I have nothing to prove. My Mom is now happy along with me too. But I didn't feel like explaining something I had the fixed. Yes I could maybe could of done this or that, which I probably tried, I spend a ton of time on this PC before I realized it was the integrated vid card, instead of doing what a lot of techs (even good ones) would of done, toss the mobo. All I wanted was answers to questions I DIDN'T HAVE. Somehow most of you got all off the scope of the post. Anyway I had a fun time. Sorry if I ****ed people off. But based on the sentence above and the thread you can see why I was a little bitter now. Have a good day! Thanks for all your time. All of your input was greatly appreciated. I'll play Monday Morning Quarterback, for the MicroSluts. It's your fault for getting a video card that didn't work with the orginal BIOS, so go out buy another one that does, reinstall the original BIOS, restore the eMachines supplied OS, and the MicroKissAsses will love you again! Or you could just leave what ain't broken now alone, and go on your merry way, with the knowledge that some MicroGeeks think you are wrong for just helping your mother get her broken computer working for her. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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FYI:
The OS was never touched until after the flash. The flash brought up "activate windows" wouldn't let me sign on past the welcome screen, probably due to "System Locked Pre-installation" (SLP) which at boot, Windows XP compares the PC's BIOS to the SLP information. If it matches, no activation is required, but that wasn't the case, activation was required and the Product Key was invalid. I called MS to activate it the automated lady said it was invalid and patched me to a human. We tried several things, including reinputting the Product Key on the tower no avail, contacted eMachines they couldn't do nothing. So bottom line I attempted to use the Product Key on the tower with the original installation of XP (OEM) that came with the PC when it was purchased and it didn't work. So why should I waste my time and try to reinstall it to have that happen again. The only thing I could of done was reflash with original eMachines BIOS (if you can find it) and use a different video card (I had the new one I put in my mom's pc already laying around for my brother's system I was building). I didn't have time, aside from it being 2am, to get another vid card my mom own's a business and she needed the PC immediately. "kurttrail" wrote in message ... Bruce Chambers wrote: Bill wrote: Your mother's machine should have MS seal on it with the 'Product Key'. This is a legal key and you paid for it. It is not disk dependent except for restrictions on OEM stuff... You 'should' be able to do a system repair with any disk of the OS... Bill Atlanta PS write it down in your user manual too! No, not "any" OS installation CD. Product Keys are bound to the specific type and language of CD/license (OEM, Volume, retail, full, or Upgrade) with which they are purchased. For example, a WinXP Home OEM Product Key won't work for any retail version of WinXP Home, or for any version of WinXP Pro, and vice versa. An upgrade's Product Key cannot be used with a full version CD, and vice versa. An OEM Product Key will not work to install a retail product. An Italian Product Key will not work with an English CD. Bottom line: Product Keys and CD types cannot be mixed & matched. It _might_ be possible for the OP to use a generic OEM CD and the eMachines Product Key, but there's no 100% certainty that it the two would work together. And that is valid information, based on reality. But I have been told in the past, by an MS employee, that an OEM Key is will work with a generic OEM copy of XP. MS does not make OEM Keys that are specific to any OEM, so while there is no 100% certainty that anything made by MS will work, there is a very high probability that the Emachices PK will work with any generic OEM copy of XP. But this is all off-topic to this thread, as the OP seems only to have a retail copy of XP. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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The test one was from another customer's PC.
So we would of been short a video card. It doesn't matter. You aren't my consultant. Mind your own business and keep your two cents to yourself unless it pertains to my question. "Leythos" wrote in message news On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:19:31 -0500, daygo140 wrote: So, tell us, if you want us off your back, what was wrong, what the BIOS update fixed, and the Model/version of the emachine and the version of the OS that it shipped with, unless you feel that you need to hide something from the world. The PSU went. Capacitor blew and due to unstable voltages produced while it was failing, took out the integrated video card. The PC then wouldn't boot only but once every twenty or so tries. I tried everything, finally I used a cheapo test video card and it booted successfully. Bought a new the video card particularlly one which when installed the system couldn't boot. Ironically there was a BIOS update on the mobo manufacturers web site that specifically "fixed system can't boot with that video card installed" among other things which were beneficial. Among the fact that eMachines doesn't provide any BIOS let alone the latest one that the mobo manufacturer had to fix the issue. You satisfied? Yes, and thanks for telling us about it. I understand it as follows - installed a new video card and it worked, bought mom a different video card and it didn't work. Found a BIOS from the component vendor that addressed the issue and installed it. Wondered by the Branded-XP install didn't work with a non-branded BIOS. Asked about the installation of a second copy of another XP (already installed with an already activated key) to see if it would cause any problems or if you would get in trouble some way. So, here is what I think: 1) I would have found another video card or left the "Cheap" on in the machine - the one you said worked. 2) Like it or not, the EULA is clear on this - your install on her machine with your key is in violation. 3) No one here can tell if if MS will invalidate the install, if they will stop supporting updates for violators, or if there may be any other problems ever. 4) Due to #3 above, nothing anyone tells you, other than you need to get her a valid key, means anything. Sure, you can keep bootlegging a twice activated key and hope that there are no problems, but you will not know until you stop using XP if you are going to run into a problem later. 5) Unless your Mom is doing some high-end work, even a PCI video card would meet her needs (and with an e-machine I would doubt that she's doing much in the way of high-end work), put the old cheap card back in and return the BIOS to it's old version (since it was stable with the cheap card) and give her the validated install back like it's suppose to be. Here's another option for you - unless she's running QuickBooks she could just use Fedora Core 3 and have everything most users need - except for the MS viruses and MS threats. I expect nothing less than getting questions and having to get analyzed on every little thing I just wrote. I have nothing to prove. My Mom is now happy along with me too. But I didn't feel like explaining something I had the fixed. Yes I could maybe could of done this or that, which I probably tried, I spend a ton of time on this PC before I realized it was the integrated vid card, instead of doing what a lot of techs (even good ones) would of done, toss the mobo. And if you had just left the cheap video card in it- according to what you posted - she could have had a working computer without all of this crap. -- remove 999 in order to email me |
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