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So admit it then, Sonny Jim. Go home to Mama.
-- Neil UK "kurttrail" wrote: Larry wrote: You tell 'em, Neil. I'm too mad. Admitting your problem is the first step on the road toward recovery. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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"Neil UK" wrote in message
... | As a relatively new subscriber to this newsgroup, I wish to express my | disgust that one or two people are replying to questions that have been posed | by persons who are in difficulties by writing insulting and useless replies | that do not help the person who posed the original queries. I myself am not | in any way an expert: but when I see people who hold themselves out to be | experts indulging in personal and scatological abuse of others, I say ENOUGH! | | Recently a person who calls himself Kurtrail and another who is called David | Candy have, in my opinion, fallen below the standards that I believe should | apply to a zone that should be dedicated to the pursuit of constructive | excellence. This site should not be the ground for the dissemination of | political or self-aggrandizing opinions. | | Nor have we been helped by the fact that it now appears that two different | people are posting using the handle "Kelly". There is only one Kelly, so | please will the spoofer get off the line. I assume that those who host this | site will take notice of my remarks and take steps to regulate matters so | that only constructive and not DE-structive messages are posted. As for a Kelly name. There is nothing that states you must use a unique handle. The word "Kelly" can be a first name or a last name. Try a situation where three people in a NG call themselves "Dave". If you are unsure, look at their headers to tell them apart. I do know how to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to handles. I didn't need you to educate me. Being 70 years old doesn't make me an idiot. Rather the opposite I should think. I still say that there should only one "Kelly" as there is only one "Neil UK". If you wish to complain about any particular user, I'd ask that you use the Contact Us link at the bottom of the page you are using, or at the bottom of http://www.microsoft.com/communities...s/default.mspx. As for people posting with 'duplicate' names, there isn't going to be anything to be done about that. One Kelly is not trying to spoof another. Unique logon names are not required in a Usenet newsgroup, which this is, regardless of what client you are using. John Eddy Microsoft Newsgroups Administrator |
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Gee, I am so terrified!
Get the basic point and don't tell me I spelled something wrong. Answer me right now: is it GOOD or is it BAD to sneer and use insulting and bad language in response to the queries of the afflicted? -- Neil UK "David H. Lipman" wrote: From: "Neil UK" | Dave | | Please, please, don't come over as arrogant. I am sure your family wouldn't | recognise the way you are responding to my letter of complaint. I don't | understand what you mean when you say "Welcome to newsnet". This zone is | supposed to be dedicated to being constructive. Do you think you have been | constructive in your response to me? | | I do know how to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to handles. | I didn't need you to educate me. Being 70 years old doesn't make me an idiot. | Rather the opposite I should think. I still say that there should only one | "Kelly" as there is only one "Neil UK". | -- | Neil UK Neil please don't come over as a naive child ! There is *much* you need to learn and I am not your teacher. Nor is anyone of the *many* volunteers who spend their time helping those with Windows problems. I didn't type "Welcome to newsnet", I wrote "Welcome to Usenet". Usenet is one of the oldest Internet functions. It is older than http servers. Back the Kelly name concept. You have to adapt to the system. The system will not adapt to you. You also must be an adult and handle sarcasm and criticism. Now to some facts... This is not a "Zone". This is a Microsoft provided "News Group" to assist those with problems with Windows XP. Usenet is as inter-connected system of servers that share News Group hierarchies Microsoft owns the hiearchy microsoft.*. Other notable hierarchies are; alt.* , alt.binaries.* , comp.*, rec.*, and the list goes on. There are tens of thousands of Usenet News Group. The microsoft.* hierarchy is but a small portion of the entire User's Network (ergo, Usenet) system. The "proper" was to access News Groups is via a News Client. Is uses a network protocol called Network News Transport Protocol (NNTP). Just like you access a web server via a Universal Resource Locator (URL) in the form of http://web_site_address/ there is a URL for News Servers and News Grups news://news_server_name/news_group_name The URL for this News Group is; news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...dowsxp.general If you were to click on the above URL it will take your default News Client to the Microsoft News Server and this News Group. Most likely your default News Server is Outlook Express. Microsoft also provides, for the newbie, a web browser front end to the Microsft News Groups. It is for the intelectually challenged individual, those who don't know how to "properly" access Usenet News Groups. The following URL will take your default browser to this News Group. http://support.microsoft.com/newsgro...-us;newsgroups Now when I said "Welcome to Usenet" it was a sarcastic reply to indicate that your expectations were too high and you need to go with the flow. I don't know what your original problem was but if you don't drop that attitude of yours you will not be helped and the sharks will smell blood in the Usenet waters and you will be eaten alive. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm |
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Neil UK wrote:
Dear Mr K**tr**l http://microscum.com/kurtdevil.gif You may address me as kurtdevil! Is there some reason that you feel driven to write insulting and abusive material? Nope. I just want to. It must go back to an unhappy childhood, I suppose. LOL! If I had you as a father, perhaps, however my old man was a man with a big set of balls, not a pretentious little pansy like you. But why don't you cut out the "***" and write the words out in full English? I assume it because you know that someone would cut out your reply. Cowardly! LOL! http://microscum.com/censored/ I'm no stranger to being censored. I censor my own words for the little brats left to surf the net without parental supervision. I am not a pansy: details of my heterosexual background can be supplied (though not on this site). LOL! It figures you would misunderstand me alluding to your affected effeminate nature as meaning I'm calling you gay! Your a senile homophobic pansy! But if all you can do is to smear those who object to your remarks, then you have no place in what is called an Expert Zone for the discussions of problems involving the resolutions of XP problems. LOL! "Expert Zone!" Because you promoted it in these very pages, I have seen your polemical website. It may surprise you but I do not disagree with many of the points you make on that site. What I do disagree with is your immediate snarling attitude on this particular website. The words "Up" and "Grow" leap unbidden to my lips. This isn't a website, it just appears that way to those that use the dumbed down web access. If you polled all of the regulars around here, most, like around 90% in not more, would vote to ban the web interface to this group. "Up" yours! And "Grow" some balls, Neil. There is a very long tradition of flaming in Newsgroups. And if you can't stand the heat, maybe you would fare better someplace else, like an old age home. Go and lie in a darkened room and keep taking the tablets. I'm a heretic and gave up on the Ten Commandments long ago! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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is it GOOD or is it BAD to sneer and use insulting and bad=20
language in response to the queries of the afflicted But this is only in your head. It didn't happen. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------- http://webdiary.smh.com.au/archives/...nt/001075.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "Neil UK" wrote in message = ... Gee, I am so terrified!=20 =20 Get the basic point and don't tell me I spelled something wrong. = Answer me=20 right now: is it GOOD or is it BAD to sneer and use insulting and bad=20 language in response to the queries of the afflicted?=20 --=20 Neil UK =20 =20 "David H. Lipman" wrote: =20 From: "Neil UK" =20 | Dave | | Please, please, don't come over as arrogant. I am sure your family = wouldn't | recognise the way you are responding to my letter of complaint. I = don't | understand what you mean when you say "Welcome to newsnet". This = zone is | supposed to be dedicated to being constructive. Do you think you = have been | constructive in your response to me? | | I do know how to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes = to handles. | I didn't need you to educate me. Being 70 years old doesn't make = me an idiot. | Rather the opposite I should think. I still say that there should = only one | "Kelly" as there is only one "Neil UK". | --=20 | Neil UK =20 Neil please don't come over as a naive child ! =20 There is *much* you need to learn and I am not your teacher. Nor is = anyone of the *many* volunteers who spend their time helping those with Windows problems. =20 I didn't type "Welcome to newsnet", I wrote "Welcome to Usenet". = Usenet is one of the oldest Internet functions. It is older than http servers. =20 Back the Kelly name concept. You have to adapt to the system. The = system will not adapt to you. You also must be an adult and handle sarcasm and criticism. =20 Now to some facts... =20 This is not a "Zone". This is a Microsoft provided "News Group" to = assist those with problems with Windows XP. =20 Usenet is as inter-connected system of servers that share News Group = hierarchies Microsoft owns the hiearchy microsoft.*. Other notable hierarchies are; = alt.* , alt.binaries.* , comp.*, rec.*, and the list goes on. There are tens of thousands of = Usenet News Group. The microsoft.* hierarchy is but a small portion of the entire User's = Network (ergo, Usenet) system. =20 The "proper" was to access News Groups is via a News Client. Is = uses a network protocol called Network News Transport Protocol (NNTP). Just like you access = a web server via a Universal Resource Locator (URL) in the form of = http://web_site_address/ there is a URL for News Servers and News Grups news://news_server_name/news_group_name =20 The URL for this News Group is; news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...dowsxp.general =20 If you were to click on the above URL it will take your default News = Client to the Microsoft News Server and this News Group. Most likely your default News = Server is Outlook Express. =20 Microsoft also provides, for the newbie, a web browser front end to = the Microsft News Groups. It is for the intelectually challenged individual, those = who don't know how to "properly" access Usenet News Groups. =20 The following URL will take your default browser to this News Group. =20 = http://support.microsoft.com/newsgro...up=3Dmicrosof= t.public.windowsxp.general&SLCID=3DUS&ICP=3DGSS3&s d=3DGN&id=3Dfh;en-us;ne= wsgroups =20 Now when I said "Welcome to Usenet" it was a sarcastic reply to = indicate that your expectations were too high and you need to go with the flow. =20 I don't know what your original problem was but if you don't drop = that attitude of yours you will not be helped and the sharks will smell blood in the Usenet = waters and you will be eaten alive. =20 --=20 Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm =20 =20 |
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Frankly no one is interested in your opinion, and most of us are now
recognizing you for what you are, which is a troll, and will ignore anything more you post. "Neil UK" wrote in message ... Dear Mr K**tr**l |
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Neil UK on 06/06/2005 wrote:
As a relatively new subscriber to this newsgroup, I wish to express my disgust that one or two people are replying to questions that have been posed by persons who are in difficulties by writing insulting and useless replies that do not help the person who posed the original queries. Greetings David, ....and before you pull the age trip on me I have to say I am not too far off your age ;-) Although I agree with your sentiments over rudeness to people asking sensible questions please try to understand the following. The vast proportion of Usenet is anarchistic, there is no one who can control it. There are some newsgroups through some servers that are heavily moderated to the extent that you may not see the question that you posted for a few days...the more moderated and controlled the less usable they become. The thing is that for an anarchistic environment things work pretty well on the whole. Now about trouble makers and rude people who rile you enough to make you angry etc.: As you are posting via web you have very little control over them. Best to get a good newsreader client (I use XanaNews, but, most are functional) and with that you can if necessary block or filter users and content as you see fit. Watch out for Trolls too, they will bait you at first gently maybe or figure out your weakness just to wind you up and create arguments. Normally they are sociopathic and attention seeking, but, often intelligent as well. There is no way of really stopping people using newsgroups as even if they can be banned or warned they can always re-enter under a different alias. There is no international law, and probably never be one, to stop unstable, insane or just rude people using the Internet. The bottom line is to not get wound up, not concentrate upon the Bozos, get a good newsreader and learn how to filter etc. Don't blame God for the rain, take an umbrella. Rob (and I bet there are quite a few other Robs too :-)) |
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In part this is what the thread he complains about is about. Of which no = person seeking assistance was even mentioned after the first level = replies and certainly not abused. Also the original poster was not = afflicted. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------- http://webdiary.smh.com.au/archives/...nt/001075.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "kurttrail" wrote in message = ... Neil UK wrote: Dear Mr K**tr**l =20 http://microscum.com/kurtdevil.gif =20 You may address me as kurtdevil! =20 Is there some reason that you feel driven to write insulting and abusive material? =20 Nope. I just want to. =20 It must go back to an unhappy childhood, I suppose. =20 LOL! If I had you as a father, perhaps, however my old man was a man=20 with a big set of balls, not a pretentious little pansy like you. =20 But why don't you cut out the "***" and write the words out in full English? I assume it because you know that someone would cut out = your reply. Cowardly! =20 LOL! =20 http://microscum.com/censored/ =20 I'm no stranger to being censored. I censor my own words for the = little=20 brats left to surf the net without parental supervision. =20 I am not a pansy: details of my heterosexual background can be supplied (though not on this site). =20 LOL! It figures you would misunderstand me alluding to your affected=20 effeminate nature as meaning I'm calling you gay! Your a senile=20 homophobic pansy! =20 But if all you can do is to smear those who object to your remarks, then you have no place in what is called an Expert Zone for the discussions of problems involving the resolutions of XP problems. =20 LOL! "Expert Zone!" =20 Because you promoted it in these very pages, I have seen your polemical website. It may surprise you but I do not disagree with many of the points you make on that site. What I do disagree with is your immediate snarling attitude on this particular website. The words "Up" and "Grow" leap unbidden to my lips. =20 This isn't a website, it just appears that way to those that use the=20 dumbed down web access. If you polled all of the regulars around = here,=20 most, like around 90% in not more, would vote to ban the web interface = to this group. =20 "Up" yours! And "Grow" some balls, Neil. There is a very long=20 tradition of flaming in Newsgroups. And if you can't stand the heat,=20 maybe you would fare better someplace else, like an old age home. =20 Go and lie in a darkened room and keep taking the tablets. =20 I'm a heretic and gave up on the Ten Commandments long ago! =20 --=20 Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"=20 =20 =20 |
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Neil UK wrote:
Thanks for the balanced response. I learned something new. But when I see people responding arrogantly (not you), I will reply. Someone has to stand up for decency and constructive assistance. You'll just get flamed for it (as you already have), generating more of the same stuff you're objecting to. Steve |
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"Although I agree with your sentiments over rudeness to people asking
sensible questions ..." Didn't happen. He is complaining about people, who seek to make the = "afflicted" life's very hard, being abused for their abusive behaviour.=20 The moron seems to think that swearing is a crime but denying fixes to = people is a good thing. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------- http://webdiary.smh.com.au/archives/...nt/001075.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "Canopus" wrote in message = ... Neil UK on 06/06/2005 wrote: =20 As a relatively new subscriber to this newsgroup, I wish to express my disgust that one or two people are replying to questions that = have been posed by persons who are in difficulties by writing insulting and useless replies that do not help the person who posed the original queries. =20 Greetings David, =20 ...and before you pull the age trip on me I have to say I am not too far off your age ;-) =20 Although I agree with your sentiments over rudeness to people asking sensible questions please try to understand the following. The vast proportion of Usenet is anarchistic, there is no one who can control it. There are some newsgroups through some servers that are heavily moderated to the extent that you may not see the question that you posted for a few days...the more moderated and controlled the less usable they become. The thing is that for an anarchistic environment things work pretty well on the whole. Now about trouble makers and rude people who rile you enough to make you angry etc.: =20 As you are posting via web you have very little control over them. Best to get a good newsreader client (I use XanaNews, but, most are functional) and with that you can if necessary block or filter users and content as you see fit. Watch out for Trolls too, they will bait you at first gently maybe or figure out your weakness just to wind you up and create arguments. Normally they are sociopathic and attention seeking, but, often intelligent as well. =20 There is no way of really stopping people using newsgroups as even if they can be banned or warned they can always re-enter under a = different alias. There is no international law, and probably never be one, to stop unstable, insane or just rude people using the Internet. The bottom line is to not get wound up, not concentrate upon the Bozos, = get a good newsreader and learn how to filter etc. =20 Don't blame God for the rain, take an umbrella. =20 Rob (and I bet there are quite a few other Robs too :-)) =20 |
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Dear Mr Eddy
I do appreciate the fact that you are taking the time to address the issues I have raised. I don't at this time see the link you mention for complaining. I have already complained in detail. If you can't find the people concerned, that's your problem. I appreciate what has been said about people using the same name: it just doesn't sit well with me. Change the system, I say. One name one contributor! -- Neil UK "John Eddy [MSFT]" wrote: "Neil UK" wrote in message ... | As a relatively new subscriber to this newsgroup, I wish to express my | disgust that one or two people are replying to questions that have been posed | by persons who are in difficulties by writing insulting and useless replies | that do not help the person who posed the original queries. I myself am not | in any way an expert: but when I see people who hold themselves out to be | experts indulging in personal and scatological abuse of others, I say ENOUGH! | | Recently a person who calls himself Kurtrail and another who is called David | Candy have, in my opinion, fallen below the standards that I believe should | apply to a zone that should be dedicated to the pursuit of constructive | excellence. This site should not be the ground for the dissemination of | political or self-aggrandizing opinions. | | Nor have we been helped by the fact that it now appears that two different | people are posting using the handle "Kelly". There is only one Kelly, so | please will the spoofer get off the line. I assume that those who host this | site will take notice of my remarks and take steps to regulate matters so | that only constructive and not DE-structive messages are posted. As for a Kelly name. There is nothing that states you must use a unique handle. The word "Kelly" can be a first name or a last name. Try a situation where three people in a NG call themselves "Dave". If you are unsure, look at their headers to tell them apart. I do know how to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to handles. I didn't need you to educate me. Being 70 years old doesn't make me an idiot. Rather the opposite I should think. I still say that there should only one "Kelly" as there is only one "Neil UK". If you wish to complain about any particular user, I'd ask that you use the Contact Us link at the bottom of the page you are using, or at the bottom of http://www.microsoft.com/communities...s/default.mspx. As for people posting with 'duplicate' names, there isn't going to be anything to be done about that. One Kelly is not trying to spoof another. Unique logon names are not required in a Usenet newsgroup, which this is, regardless of what client you are using. John Eddy Microsoft Newsgroups Administrator |
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Canopus on 06/06/2005 wrote:
PS. Meanwhile I see quite a few posts in that thread have been pulled. Can't quite figure how mine was pulled as I didn't swear in it and just said goodbye to the one that was using a foul mouth. There you go, censorship is indiscriminatory. |
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Neil UK wrote:
Gee, I am so terrified! Get the basic point and don't tell me I spelled something wrong. Answer me right now: is it GOOD or is it BAD to sneer and use insulting and bad language in response to the queries of the afflicted? You should just have read DHL's post and tried to learn from it. If every reply that David Candy or I made here was one long continuous insult, I might be more inclined to agree with you. However that is very far from the case. With the exception of a handful of regulars, I'm on very respectful terms with most every one else. You paint way to broad a brush. From my point of view, I'm only "rude" to those deserving of it. And those that butt their nose where it really doesn't belong, deserve it in my book. I'm an Amercian, and I don't mince words. I tell it as I see it, and I don't take any prisoners. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Neil UK wrote:
Dear K******l You are the problem. We don't need you. Bye, bye! LOL! Is someone forcing you to read my posts? If you do not possess the self-control to stop reading my posts, then you are the one with the problem. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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