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  #61  
Old September 1st 05, 12:54 PM
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"Leythos" wrote

If you don't like what MS is doing, you can only change it by economic
pressure, as most companies only look at things based on ROI. If there
is a negative ROI for their change, they will see it, but only if you
are strong enough to stand by your convictions and not purchase their
products.

What do you think the pirates are doing?

Heh.

Alias


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  #62  
Old September 1st 05, 01:02 PM
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"Leythos" wrote in message
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In article , aka@[notme]
maskedandanonymous.org says...

"Leythos" wrote

If you don't like what MS is doing, you can only change it by economic
pressure, as most companies only look at things based on ROI. If there
is a negative ROI for their change, they will see it, but only if you
are strong enough to stand by your convictions and not purchase their
products.

What do you think the pirates are doing?

Heh.


I would assume that you understand the difference between not purchasing
and stealing.


Of course, and the pirates are doing both. In fact, MS' strong armed tactics
just may motivate people who would otherwise be honest to pirate.

Alias


  #63  
Old September 1st 05, 02:58 PM
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Leythos wrote:
In article , |@|.| says...
Between 12 and 24 hours later several reporters on the scene
noted/saw that Air Force I was flying at low altitude along the Gulf
Coast.


You guys do understand that he doesn't have to be in the white house
to do his job, right?

He's fully in contact with the proper people no matter where he is in
the world.


LOL! Not true. During 911, it was Cheney that was calling the shots.
The 911 commission showed that Bush wasn't in always in contact no
matter where he was.

And it took 3 days for Homeland Security to declare Katrina, "an
incident of National significance." This administration's slow response
is criminal, and people have died because of it. And the Buck stops in
the Oval Office . . . . er, no, Crawford, TX!

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  #65  
Old September 1st 05, 03:17 PM
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Leythos wrote:
In article ,
says...
It is not my problem that you don't understand copyright law and
haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about. I suggest you
do some research and read 17 USC 107. I will helpfully provide you a
link:
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107

They key point: "Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106
and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by
reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means
specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment,
news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom
use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright."

Perhaps we can have a meaningful debate once you have the
slightest clue what you're talking about.


So, then we agree, making a COPY to loan a friend violates the law.


What an ass! That is a list, and not a complete one, when copying and
distributing would be legally permissable.

The point being, YOU AND MICROSOFT AND MICROSOFT'S TECHNOLOGY ARE NOT
THE FINAL AUTHORITY ON WHAT IS AND IS NOT PIRACY! The courts are the
final authority, and no technology should ever be allowed become a Law
unto itself! Unless you read 1984, and thought it would be cool to live
like that, Personal Liberty should never be infringed by technology!

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  #66  
Old September 1st 05, 03:37 PM
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I note from TV images there seems to be a LOT of black people swimming =
and almost no white people.

The Australian government (and the new zealand government) would have =
been prepared if it was one of our australian cities. Guess one should =
not be poor and/or black if one needs rescuing.
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"kurttrail" wrote in message =
...
Leythos wrote:
In article , |@|.| says...
Between 12 and 24 hours later several reporters on the scene
noted/saw that Air Force I was flying at low altitude along the Gulf
Coast.


You guys do understand that he doesn't have to be in the white house
to do his job, right?

He's fully in contact with the proper people no matter where he is in
the world.

=20
LOL! Not true. During 911, it was Cheney that was calling the shots. =


The 911 commission showed that Bush wasn't in always in contact no=20
matter where he was.
=20
And it took 3 days for Homeland Security to declare Katrina, "an=20
incident of National significance." This administration's slow =

response=20
is criminal, and people have died because of it. And the Buck stops =

in=20
the Oval Office . . . . er, no, Crawford, TX!
=20
--=20
Peace!
Kurt
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  #67  
Old September 1st 05, 04:20 PM
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David Candy wrote:
I note from TV images there seems to be a LOT of black people
swimming and almost no white people.

The Australian government (and the new zealand government) would have
been prepared if it was one of our australian cities. Guess one
should not be poor and/or black if one needs rescuing.


Yep, the vast majority of those left in New Orleans are predominately
poor and black. Most of those that had the means to get out, got out
before the storm.

At least 80,000 people are estimated to have been left behind in New
Orleans, and there are about 25,000 in and around the Super Dome. That
leaves around 55,000 people still unaccounted for. And the longer these
people are left to fend for themselves the more this tragedy will
descend into total choas.

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  #68  
Old September 1st 05, 04:27 PM
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I bet ya China didn't leave anyone behind yesterday from their storm.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/chi...yphoon-slams-=
into-coast/2005/09/01/1125302689224.html

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"kurttrail" wrote in message =
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David Candy wrote:
I note from TV images there seems to be a LOT of black people
swimming and almost no white people.

The Australian government (and the new zealand government) would have
been prepared if it was one of our australian cities. Guess one
should not be poor and/or black if one needs rescuing.

=20
Yep, the vast majority of those left in New Orleans are predominately=20
poor and black. Most of those that had the means to get out, got out=20
before the storm.
=20
At least 80,000 people are estimated to have been left behind in New=20
Orleans, and there are about 25,000 in and around the Super Dome. =

That=20
leaves around 55,000 people still unaccounted for. And the longer =

these=20
people are left to fend for themselves the more this tragedy will=20
descend into total choas.
=20
--=20
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
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  #69  
Old September 1st 05, 05:45 PM
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On Thursday 01 September 2005 08:20 am, kurttrail had this to say in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

David Candy wrote:
I note from TV images there seems to be a LOT of black people
swimming and almost no white people.

The Australian government (and the new zealand government) would have
been prepared if it was one of our australian cities. Guess one
should not be poor and/or black if one needs rescuing.


Yep, the vast majority of those left in New Orleans are predominately
poor and black. Most of those that had the means to get out, got out
before the storm.

At least 80,000 people are estimated to have been left behind in New
Orleans, and there are about 25,000 in and around the Super Dome. That
leaves around 55,000 people still unaccounted for. And the longer these
people are left to fend for themselves the more this tragedy will
descend into total choas.

Well it appears the authorities are more concerned with private property
(not surprising) than saving lives. Why else would they divert the role of
law enforcement from life saving/rescue to stopping looting? New Orleans is
a disaster zone and they're worried about people stealing sneakers?


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  #70  
Old September 1st 05, 06:02 PM
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"Leythos" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...


It is not my problem that you don't understand copyright law and
haven't
the slightest clue what you're talking about. I suggest you do some
research
and read 17 USC 107. I will helpfully provide you a link:
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107

They key point: "Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and
106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by
reproduction
in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that
section,
for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching
(including
multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an
infringement of copyright."


Perhaps we can have a meaningful debate once you have the slightest
clue
what you're talking about.


So, then we agree, making a COPY to loan a friend violates the law.


It might or might not. It depends whether the copy you are loaning a
friend meets the provisions of fair use or not. In the words of the US
copyright office: "The distinction between 'fair use' and infringement may
be unclear and not easily defined". No piece of software can make this
distinction.

DS


  #71  
Old September 1st 05, 06:04 PM
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"Leythos" wrote in message
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So, again, it does not appear to impact the people that are not
violating the law,


Just to be 100% clear, is it your position that DRM technologies such as
those in Vista will not allow content authors to restrict fair use in ways
they currently cannot? Because it is my position that people who are not
violating the law *will* be impacted because legal rights they currently
have under fair use will be restricted by technical means.

DS


  #72  
Old September 1st 05, 10:42 PM
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Why worry MarcusD? As long as you're strong and you're not a trouble maker
in this world, who's going to come for you?

- Winux P

"MarcusD" wrote in message
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MS is not the only one that's going to have a problem with China. Due to
the fact that we have now taught the Chinese how to build everything for
us,
and we have a huge trade imbalance to show for that, not to mention their
already huge and very rapidly growing military strength, and their
coziness
with Russia of late, my thoughts are that we should all be more concerned
about our own tails, and not worry so much about microsoft's behind.


"beamish" wrote in message
...
| Hello, Thanks for the information.
| Certain people do not understand the erosion of basic rights. No matter
what
| they state they "just don't get it".
| Microsoft may have future problems but not with file sharing or copying
in
| the U.S. or Europe. Their problem will be with China, India and Google.
| take care.
| beamish.
|
| "GregRo" wrote:
|
| I apologize for the rant.
|
| http://snipurl.com/hbl7
|
| I have made my decision
|
| Vista I will not be buying.
|
| No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
| computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
| got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.
|
| I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.
|
| If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.
|
| Greg Ro
|




  #73  
Old September 2nd 05, 02:53 AM
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"David Schwartz" wrote in
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"Leythos" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...


I apologize for the rant.

http://snipurl.com/hbl7

I have made my decision

Vista I will not be buying.

No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of
the computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or
adaware got into that protected area and a virus program could not
clean it.

I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.

If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux
system.


So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to
steal media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to
limit you in any way?


That's not what he's saying. What he's saying is that he trusts
himself
more than he trusts his OS vendor. It's a question of who should have
the keys to his computer, him or Microsoft. He chooses himself. I
would too.

DS



Pitiful arguments for and against. If you are against copying - then
just don't do it! If you are for copying - then think outside the box
and buy a scan converter and split your audio out - sending that to a
standalone VCR/DVD recorder unit for about $129.00 (US) and shut up.

The folks who own the copyrights think folks are not smart enough to
realize that you can record things withou a computer - and most of these
replies talking about invasion of privacy - lack or respect - etc. just
need to learn that nothing can be protected from copying if you think
outside the box.

cya!
  #74  
Old September 2nd 05, 04:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GregRo
I apologize for the rant.

http://snipurl.com/hbl7

I have made my decision

Vista I will not be buying.

No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.

I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.

If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.

Greg Ro
Like it or not, Microsoft will have a way to make you switch over. Thats just my opinion.
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Old September 2nd 05, 08:06 AM
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David Candy wrote:

I note from TV images there seems to be a LOT of black people swimming and almost no white people.


The majority of people who live in the city proper are black, pretty
much the same as Washington DC. Many white people also work in New
Orleans, but choose to live across that 10 mile bridge. My younger
brother when he worked for Shell Oil, lived at the end of Bourbon St his
first year but didn't get any sleeep as somebody tried to break into his
car every single night setting off the alarm. So he moved across the
lake where the rest of the Shell Oil folks lived.


 




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