Valid Product Keys for Windows XP SP2 Professional Volume License Edition

Gregg Hill wrote:
Copyright violation in the US is a federal offense

I don't live in the US.

Using the software for
which you have not paid is copyright violation .

A civil offense.

If you did not pay for it,
and you are using a copy of someone else's software, whether illegal civilly
or criminally, it is still illegal, and it is still theft.

No, it's a civil offense. Interesting how MS' EULA gives them the right
to change the rules at any time but if you go back on your agreement,
you think they should be locked up and have their lives ruined.

If there is no profit motive, where I live, it is not a crime or a civil
offense.

I define "theft" as taking something that does not belong to you and which
you have no right to use.

Who decides what belongs to whom and who has the right to use it, you?

That transcends your requirement for it to be a
criminal act.

No, that is your vague opinion of what theft is.


In your country, is the Microsoft EULA written to allow use of someone
else's Volume License Key to run the Microsoft software? If not, then it is
still theft.

Not if there's no profit motive. If you copy XP and sell the copy,
you're in trouble. If you copy it and put it on another computer or give
it to a friend, you aren't. It will be really interesting to read the
new EULA now that this is law here. I'll be sure and post it ;-)


I would prefer to be on high moral ground than to be an underground rat that
steals from people.

Gregg

There's no reason to refer to me as an "underground rat" or "an
unscrupulous person". Can you please stick to the issues and avoid
personal attacks?

Alias




"Alias" wrote in message
...
Gregg Hill wrote:
Software piracy is no different than someone who walks into your house
and steals your computer, TV, jewels, etc. It is THEFT. I'll bet you
would be upset if someone stole YOUR belongings, but you seem to think it
is OK to do just because Bill has more money than you do.
Um, in the country where I live, sharing software is called "fair use" and
is not illegal at all as long as there is no financial gain. Oops. In the
USA, if you copy XP that you paid for, it is NOT theft but copyright
violation, a civil, not criminal, offense.

Don't be such an unscrupulous person.

Gregg
Get off your high moral horse and do some research before you stick your
hoof in your mouth again.

Alias

"Alias" wrote in message
...
Bruce Chambers wrote:
wrote:
These keys have been reported few times in June, but are still valid
up
to this moment !!

Well, we'll see. Microsoft can't do much about the contents of Chinese
web sites, but they can, if they so desire, disable those keys.
They don't desire to do that. They are still saturating the Chinese
market.

In the meantime, let's hope that Microsoft at least prosecutes you for
aiding and abetting in software piracy.
That'll be the day! MS take someone to court to uphold their scammy
EULA? Give me a break.

Alias

"Bruce Chambers дµÀ£º
"
Og wrote:
Forwarded to:

Steve


But why did you re-post those keys? To ensure that they're
disseminated even further?

***
I didn't get these keys myself, i found them on the Internet.

Go to Yahoo China at http://www.yahoo.com.cn
search key word "HCQ9D-TVCWX-X9QRG-J4B2Y-GR2TT"

you got thousands of website, forums, irc chat log....
everybody know that, it's not a secret at all.
and these keys were known to the public for nearly a year !!
and according to many forums, they are still valid.

Alias wrote:


You lack of a good argument is showing due to you only being able to
hurl ad hominems instead of addressing the issues.

Alias


There was no "issue" to address. When all you offer are
unsubstantiated paranoid delusions in the form of ungrounded
accusations, what would be the point of explaining that no, unicorns
don't really exist?


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Alias wrote:
Gregg Hill wrote:
Software piracy is no different than someone who walks into your house
and steals your computer, TV, jewels, etc. It is THEFT. I'll bet you
would be upset if someone stole YOUR belongings, but you seem to think
it is OK to do just because Bill has more money than you do.

Um, in the country where I live, sharing software is called "fair use"
and is not illegal at all as long as there is no financial gain. Oops.


Irrelevant. We're not discussing Spain's disregard for the
intellectual property developed in other countries.


In the USA, if you copy XP that you paid for, it is NOT theft but
copyright violation, a civil, not criminal, offense.


Even a violation of civil law is still a crime, and therefore a
criminal offense. Further, copyright infringement that involves more
than 10 copies is a criminal offense that is covered under penal, not
civil, code.



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"Alias" wrote in message
...
Gregg Hill wrote:
Copyright violation in the US is a federal offense

I don't live in the US.


I know you don't, but you said it is only a civil offense in the US. I
pointed out that it is a federal offense. I don't speak lawyerese. To me,
theft is still theft, whether punishable under civil or criminal law, or no
law at all.



Using the software for which you have not paid is copyright violation .

A civil offense.


Whether a civil offense or criminal offense, theft is theft. It is not only
an issue of law, it is an issue of morals. Taking something that does not
belong to you is immoral.





If you did not pay for it, and you are using a copy of someone else's
software, whether illegal civilly or criminally, it is still illegal, and
it is still theft.

No, it's a civil offense. Interesting how MS' EULA gives them the right to
change the rules at any time but if you go back on your agreement, you
think they should be locked up and have their lives ruined.

If there is no profit motive, where I live, it is not a crime or a civil
offense.


But there IS a profit motive. By not paying for it, you haved PROFITED!!!
directly by saving the amount of money you SHOULD have paid for that
product, according to the EULA to which you technically agreed by your use
of the software.




I define "theft" as taking something that does not belong to you and
which you have no right to use.

Who decides what belongs to whom and who has the right to use it, you?



No, not me. In this case, Microsoft's EULA, which you technically agree to
by your use of the software, defines who has the right to use it. On a
broader scale, if I walked into your house and took your TV, would that be
theft? According to your standards, it seems it would only be theft if you
could prove that you owned it. What if you could not find your receipt? I
guess you would be OK with me taking it. Cool! What's your address?





That transcends your requirement for it to be a criminal act.

No, that is your vague opinion of what theft is.


My opinion was not vague. If it does not belong to you, or you have no right
to use it, and you take it, it is theft. If I lived in a country that had no
laws of any kind, but I took another man's car that he had purchased, it
would still be theft. It is a moral issue as well as an issue of law.
Apparently, you lack the moral fortitude to understand that concept. Not
much I can do about that.







In your country, is the Microsoft EULA written to allow use of someone
else's Volume License Key to run the Microsoft software? If not, then it
is still theft.

Not if there's no profit motive. If you copy XP and sell the copy, you're
in trouble. If you copy it and put it on another computer or give it to a
friend, you aren't. It will be really interesting to read the new EULA now
that this is law here. I'll be sure and post it ;-)


Again, there IS a profit motive. Each person who does not pay for the copy
he/she uses has PROFITED directly by not having to fork out the few bucks
for the software. That is an economic profit.





I would prefer to be on high moral ground than to be an underground rat
that steals from people.

Gregg

There's no reason to refer to me as an "underground rat" or "an
unscrupulous person". Can you please stick to the issues and avoid
personal attacks?


OK, I'll take back the "rat" comment, but I stand by the "unscrupulous
person" tag, for the reasons mentioned above. I pitty your neighbors when
they buy something nice and you take it. What? You would never do that? Sure
you would...you say it's OK to do it with software, why not your neighbor's
possessions?

Gregg





Alias




"Alias" wrote in message
...
Gregg Hill wrote:
Software piracy is no different than someone who walks into your house
and steals your computer, TV, jewels, etc. It is THEFT. I'll bet you
would be upset if someone stole YOUR belongings, but you seem to think
it is OK to do just because Bill has more money than you do.
Um, in the country where I live, sharing software is called "fair use"
and is not illegal at all as long as there is no financial gain. Oops.
In the USA, if you copy XP that you paid for, it is NOT theft but
copyright violation, a civil, not criminal, offense.

Don't be such an unscrupulous person.

Gregg
Get off your high moral horse and do some research before you stick your
hoof in your mouth again.

Alias

"Alias" wrote in message
...
Bruce Chambers wrote:
wrote:
These keys have been reported few times in June, but are still valid
up
to this moment !!

Well, we'll see. Microsoft can't do much about the contents of
Chinese
web sites, but they can, if they so desire, disable those keys.
They don't desire to do that. They are still saturating the Chinese
market.

In the meantime, let's hope that Microsoft at least prosecutes you
for
aiding and abetting in software piracy.
That'll be the day! MS take someone to court to uphold their scammy
EULA? Give me a break.

Alias

wrote:

***
I didn't get these keys myself, i found them on the Internet.

Snipped...

you got thousands of website, forums, irc chat log....
everybody know that, it's not a secret at all.
and these keys were known to the public for nearly a year !!
and according to many forums, they are still valid.


So what? Is that some sort of pitiful attempt at self-justification?
If you self-esteem is that low, I suggest you seek professional help.


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You did not answer his question.

Bruce asked "why" did you re-post them. The fact that they are widely available and still work for Windows updates does not make them "valid" keys. It is against the law to leak those keys in the first place. Anyone using them is an unscrupulous person, or thief.

Gregg Hill






wrote in message oups.com...
"Bruce Chambers дµÀ£º
"
Og wrote:
Forwarded to:

Steve


But why did you re-post those keys? To ensure that they're
disseminated even further?

***
I didn't get these keys myself, i found them on the Internet.

Go to Yahoo China at http://www.yahoo.com.cn
search key word "HCQ9D-TVCWX-X9QRG-J4B2Y-GR2TT"

you got thousands of website, forums, irc chat log....
everybody know that, it's not a secret at all.
and these keys were known to the public for nearly a year !!
and according to many forums, they are still valid.

Bruce Chambers wrote:

wrote:

These keys have been reported few times in June, but are still valid up
to this moment !!



Well, we'll see. Microsoft can't do much about the contents of Chinese
web sites, but they can, if they so desire, disable those keys.

In the meantime, let's hope that Microsoft at least prosecutes you for
aiding and abetting in software piracy.




Aiding and abetting? More like factual reporting of
information from a published source.

Gregg Hill wrote:

You did not answer his question.

Bruce asked "why" did you re-post them. The fact that they are widely
available and still work for Windows updates does not make them "valid"
keys. It is against the law to leak those keys in the first place.
Anyone using them is an unscrupulous person, or thief.

Gregg Hill


Beg to differ, Gregg. The OP can re-post anything he
or she wants, at least according to the Bill of Rights
in the United States, unless it was recently amended.
And I know that it has not. Second, proper attribution
was given to the source of the information...so there
is no leak or unlawful dissemination. No explanation
other than that already given is required. OTOH, you
vying to be the next Attorney General of the lame-duck
Bush Administration and over-turn some fundamental
freedoms?

OTOH, you are correct in that using these codes by
anyone in the US is illegal.

GHalleck wrote:


Aiding and abetting? More like factual reporting of
information from a published source.


If all the OP had done was to report the existence of the Product Keys
on those forums, you'd be correct. However, as the Product Key *is* the
license, for all practical purposes, the OP not only assisted the
Chinese pirates, but further distributed those keys (stolen property, in
reality) himself. The fact that the information has already been
published elsewhere doesn't make the OP any less guilty.


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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:21:45 -0800, Gregg Hill wrote:

Software piracy is no different than someone who walks into your house and
steals your computer, TV, jewels, etc. It is THEFT.

Bill Gates: "Stolen's a strong word. It's copyrighted content that the
owner wasn't paid for". (http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/2803)

I'll bet you would be upset if someone stole YOUR belongings, but you
seem to think it is OK to do just because Bill has more money than you
do.

You're welcome to all the copies of my car that you want to make, so long
as I'm left with the original.

Gregg Hill wrote:
Software piracy is no different than someone who walks into your house and
steals your computer, TV, jewels, etc. It is THEFT.

arachnid wrote:
Bill Gates: "Stolen's a strong word. It's copyrighted content that the
owner wasn't paid for". (http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/2803)

arachnid,

Why did you leave out the last two words of the quote?
I know you gave the link, but I have to admit - leaving out the last two
words of the quote was brilliant.

"...
WSJ: You watch physics lectures and Harlem Globetrotters [on YouTube]?

Gates: This social-networking thing takes you to crazy places.

WSJ: But those were stolen, correct?

Gates: Stolen's a strong word. It's copyrighted content that the owner
wasn't paid for. So yes.

..."

Gregg Hill wrote:
I'll bet you would be upset if someone stole YOUR belongings, but you
seem to think it is OK to do just because Bill has more money than you
do.

arachnid wrote:
You're welcome to all the copies of my car that you want to make, so long
as I'm left with the original.

I hope you have a *sweet ride*!?
A cloner would ROCK! A clunker would not.

How do you get them from Chinese Newsgroups? Are you chinese? Have you got
any other serial numbers for products such as Adobe, symantec, Roxio etc.

XP serials are of no use these days because Vista is coming out soon and so
Vista software and serial cracks would be very useful!!. Also in demand is
Office 2007 that should be out sometimes in the new year. I have seen cracked
versions of beta versions of Office 2007 and Vista in which time limitation
has been removed but whether you get any updates or not is not clear.

W Dave

" wrote:

These keys are from Chinese forums..
According to the forum members, they are still valid.
Although these keys have been published on the Internet many times
since March 2006, for unknown reasons, Microsoft didn't stop these
keys.

If you own a copy of Volume License Windows XP Pro SP2, and your
current key is no longer valid,
try the keys below.

One of the key that I just double confirmed that 100% function, can
pass WGA and get IE7 installed, on 8th Nov, 2006, is the last one on
the list
HCQ9D-TVCWX-X9QRG-J4B2Y-GR2TT

***************
These keys are for Windows XP Professional SP2 Volume License Edition

MRX3F-47B9T-2487J-KWKMF-RPWBY
QC986-27D34-6M3TY-JJXP9-TBGMD
CM3HY-26VYW-6JRYC-X66GX-JVY2D
DP7CM-PD6MC-6BKXT-M8JJ6-RPXGJ
F4297-RCWJP-P482C-YY23Y-XH8W3
HH7VV-6P3G9-82TWK-QKJJ3-MXR96
HCQ9D-TVCWX-X9QRG-J4B2Y-GR2TT

floppy removal man wrote:
How do you get them from Chinese Newsgroups? Are you chinese? Have you
got
any other serial numbers for products such as Adobe, symantec, Roxio etc.

XP serials are of no use these days because Vista is coming out soon and
so
Vista software and serial cracks would be very useful!!. Also in demand
is
Office 2007 that should be out sometimes in the new year. I have seen
cracked
versions of beta versions of Office 2007 and Vista in which time
limitation
has been removed but whether you get any updates or not is not clear.

W Dave

Unusual questions W Dave. Are you asking for yourself or a friend?

Must be something in the Marina del Rey air...

There are versions of just about every software out there that you can
get/use and never pay for anymore than you paid for the bandwidth you used
to get it or the media you burned it to, etc.

The "bad bad world" does exist. Yes. Yes it does. ;-)

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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:25:24 -0600, Shenan Stanley wrote:

Gregg Hill wrote:
Software piracy is no different than someone who walks into your house
and steals your computer, TV, jewels, etc. It is THEFT.

arachnid wrote:
Bill Gates: "Stolen's a strong word. It's copyrighted content that the
owner wasn't paid for". (http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/2803)

arachnid,

Why did you leave out the last two words of the quote? I know you gave the
link, but I have to admit - leaving out the last two words of the quote
was brilliant.

snip

Gates: Stolen's a strong word. It's copyrighted content that the owner
wasn't paid for. So yes.

Interesting... I pasted that out of a copy of the whole article that I
saved to my advocacy directory back when it was first published, and
"So yes" isn't there. So it would seem to have been added after
the initial publication.

I hope you have a *sweet ride*!?
A cloner would ROCK! A clunker would not.

How about a good clone of a clunker? )