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Alias wrote in news:ODjUowqVHHA.4384
@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: wrote: I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability. I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites and finally after 3 days I have everything working. SNIP Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly, but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user. Karla If you had had the good sense to use IRC and talk directly to Linux users, you would have saved yourself a lot of time googling. Alias Ahh, IRC, another obscure section of the Internet. One that surely is unfamiliar to most Internet users, just as (pure) UseNet was before it started to get exposed thru a few large web interfaces (and so still many think it is a web forum). It's been a long time since I popped on mIRC. It's a great program as it's one of the few apps you can just copy and paste the program directory somewhere at it ran fine. The OP's reaction to use the Web would have been my route also probably, for a bit, then a call to a Linux-knowledgable friend of mine when I was totally frustrated. IRC wouldn't have crossed my mind at all...... DanS |
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Vista Is Bad Butt Pista Is Horrendous!!!!
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On Feb 22, 3:07 pm, 7 wrote: nym shifting asstroturfing coward wrote on behalf of micoshaft corporation: I Vista is the pistake pista. Its bad so let us De-Pistify your PC!!! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++ + + + Micoshaft Pista Newcomer FAQ and Primer + + Edition: 21 - 9/24/06 + + Group: Pista Installees + + + + Copyright (c) 2007 Pista Removal Reality Team + + Sponsored by Micoshaft Corporation + + Released Under GPL 3 License + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++ Welcome to the Windopz De-Pistification FAQette. WoW that was a mouthful wasn't it boys and girls?! Have you De-Pistified your PC? Let me explain: You bought vista crap from our sponsor micoshaft corporation and you realize after hours of reboots and re-installs that our sponsor micoshaft has taken the **** out of you. So you decide that this vista Pista is not for you. Now you want to de-install Pista but expee takes up even more hours and all your driver diskettes are mislaid/lost and application cds are fscked because your dog has been shagging it for some time, etc, etc, etc. Oh Smuck is me you cry out in vain as your PC craps out on you leaving you with nothing despite you having paid truck loads of money. Then light at the end of the tunnel appears in the form of Linux. Now you get angry and use Linux in anger to recover you data. RAAAAARRRrrrr... you growl through into the night recovering data, learning GNU/Linux and by midnight all your work is done, your computers are working, you learned many things and Linux with Beryl is the king. You can sleep in peace knowing Linux is your friend and share your dreams with others... Get Linux here... http://www.livecdlist.com http://www.distrowatch.com For Beryl, downloaded latest beta release of Ubuntu (Feisty Fawn)... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-3/ Install Beryl using the 3 click guide which links from here... http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/I...eryl_on_Ubuntu And so WoW, after 3 clicks, you have Beryl up and running on your PC!!! All that remains is now for you to stick the De-Pistification Inventory label on your PC to complete the job... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++ + + + Windopz De-Pistified PC + + OS: Ubuntu + Beryl + + Edition: 21 - 9/24/06 + + SN: 69 68 69 96 69 + + + + Copyright (c) 2006 Pista Removal Reality Team + + Released Under GPL 3 License + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++ Be sure to come back for more in the next installation of Micoshaft Pista Removal FAQ and Primer - Edition 22. Please don't take this the wrong way, but are you mentally retarded? I'm just curious. Once again a MS apologist can only provide a knee jerk reaction: an insult. Alias |
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Alias
wrote on Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:40:20 +0100 : wrote: On Feb 22, 1:33 pm, Alias wrote: Gary wrote: Its not how long it takes to install that counts. Its how long it takes you to get it to work that really counts. Vista a few hours. Linux days, months, years. LOL! Mine was ready to go right away. Alias "Dean G." wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 22, 12:22 pm, "Brian W" wrote: "Alias" wrote in message ... Funny, I installed Ubuntu in less than half an hour. Try Ubuntu. www.ubuntu.comOrderthe 6.06 CD. They send it to you free and pay the postage. That's still more time than I ever plan to spend installing it on my system So you have no OS ? I know of no recent OS that takes less than 30 minutes to install on a PC. When you consider that Linux also installs many applications, which require a separate and also long installation on other OS's. Thus you are saying that the fastest installing OS is too slow for you, so you are going to use a slower one. Not only that, but if you go with a pre-installed OS, then you are likely going to end up re-installing the OS several times, as even the experts who promote that OS suggest an re-install at least annually, and perhaps more often for power users. Abort, Retry, Fail, Reboot, Reinstall, Remit all of your money to Redmond. Smile, you are one of those people Stalin called "useful". Dean G.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So was mine. Ready to go into the dustbin of course. I just wasn't smart enough to toss it after the first set of problems. Linux is a waste of time. A HUGE waste of time. Your loss. Keep paying MS. Alias Somebody has to. Million-dollar mansions don't build themselves. :-) http://www.aaxnet.com/news/L981010.html -- #191, Linux. Because it's not the desktop that's important, it's the ability to DO something with it. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Oh my Karla's post was funny, but true! I too have spent many, many hours
installing, reinstalling, uninstalling various Linux distros. and many more hours Googling various hiccoughs I needed to get past. Here's my prediction when any of the Linux distros get installs down to a MS type install, THEN we'll see more of it in the hands of and on the desktops/laptops of "regular" users. Till then...MS rules! "Alias" wrote in message ... wrote: I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability. I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites and finally after 3 days I have everything working. This fiasco has left me with some doubt as to whether or not Microsoft has the ability to maintain it's position as the defacto standard in operating systems. After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board. I downloaded Fedora and attempted to install. First problem, my SATA drives were not found. Google time 2 hours later I found the solution which was a Custom Install Option. (After a few cryptic questions and a partition manager that was convoluted and potentially very dangerous in the hands of a new user, Fedora was installed) Second Problem, the system would not boot after install. I got a Grub Error 15 message. Google Time 5 Hours Later .. Oh boy I found lots of information on this puppy. About 5 hours later I fixed the problem which involved copying a know working Grub configuration file from some kind soul on the net, modifying it for my particular system and replacing the one already installed. I did this with a Knoppix LiveCD. So now I can boot the system, but my display image is shifted way off the screen and too low to click on anything. Google Time 2 hours later Ok I learned how to boot to a command line and edit the Xorg file to fix the entries that were incorrect for my common Nvidia card. So now I could see my desktop, but it was at 1024x768 and what appeared to be 16 colors. Google Time 3 hours later I discovered that there is no apparent way to get 32bpp, 3D acceleration, 85hz and 1280x1024 all at the same time like I have with Windows. Bummer. I settled for 1280x1024 24bpp and no 3d because I don't use it and Linux doesn't appear to have any games written for Linux anyhow. So now I have the system up, am surfing the net and things look pretty good. Time to add a printer. I go to the control panel and click on printers and peruse the list but I don't see my Lexmark Multifunction listed? I do see a similar model however so I decide to try this. It installs easy enough, but when I go to print I get one line of gibberish on the top of the page, the page ejects and the next page does the same thing over and over and over again. Rebooting the system does no good because the printer, like a mad beast, starts right up again wasting my paper. Finally I turn the damm thing off while I..................... Google Time 4 hours I discover Print Ques, printer names and the wonderful account called root. I finally figure out how to purge this thing and with some trepidation I turn the printer on and thankfully it behaves. Oh well, I don't need to print right now anyhow so on to my network. The problem is, I can't see my other 3 Windows Vista machines. And now it's......... you guessed it! GOOGLE TIME infinite I discover something called Samba, but I also learn that Microsoft Vista and Samba are not friends but only after a day and a hlf of playing with a smb.conf file and reading maybe a hundred web pages devoted to helping people get Samba working, and this is with Windows XP which supposedly plays nicely with Samba. I wouldn't know know, I never got Samba working. At this point, I took the Linux CD's, all 6 of them including the rescue CD which seems useless BTW and tossed them, violently I might add, into the dustbin. I have wasted far too much time with this Linux crap and I don't intend to waste another millisecond trying to shoehorn this pile of garbage into my systems. I can see why Linux is free. It doesn't work! I can also see why it is not even making the slightest ding in Microsoft's armour: It, Linux, doesn't work. I'm not sure, but if the Linux users expect people, ordinary people, to spend their lives Googling in order to make Linux work, they are daft. Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly, but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user. Karla Funny, I installed Ubuntu in less than half an hour. Try Ubuntu. www.ubuntu.com Order the 6.06 CD. They send it to you free and pay the postage. Alias |
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Yes, it's flatfish again.
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:59:43 -0800, karla.bonerstein wrote:
I've spent the last 3 days Flattie has once again been spending his life on the Internet looking for whatever problems he can find that other people might have with Linux. After he finds enough (or gets tired of looking), he puts them all together into a little story about himself and what horrors he experienced the other day when he tried to install this new OS he read about called Linux, and then he chooses a new name for himself (for the past few years, he has favored pretending to be female) and posts it to COLA and half a dozen other groups. People, he has been doing this for more than 10 years. I think it must be the most important thing in his life. He never tires of it, and I really don't think he ever will. Play with him all you like, but keep in mind that you're responding to a completely fictitious story posted by some poor schmuck who has had nothing better to do for the past decade. The guy is disturbed. |
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Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:
Have you been to this forum? How can this all be? A forum full of problems? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ Stupid top poster! In any case, you'll find people there asking alot of questions about all the various software packages that are available for Ubuntu. It's like taking 20,000 Windows support forums and rolling them all into one. Also, there are very many posters there who have just upgraded their computers from Windoze to Ubuntu and still have to learn how to overcome all the bad stuff they've learned using Windoze. For some, coming from the Windoze world it is a bit daunting, but after a while they catch on to the logic of GNU/Linux and it all becomes clear that this is the real way to operate a computer. Cheers. "Alias" wrote in message ... wrote: I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability. I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites and finally after 3 days I have everything working. This fiasco has left me with some doubt as to whether or not Microsoft has the ability to maintain it's position as the defacto standard in operating systems. After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board. I downloaded Fedora and attempted to install. First problem, my SATA drives were not found. Google time 2 hours later I found the solution which was a Custom Install Option. (After a few cryptic questions and a partition manager that was convoluted and potentially very dangerous in the hands of a new user, Fedora was installed) Second Problem, the system would not boot after install. I got a Grub Error 15 message. Google Time 5 Hours Later .. Oh boy I found lots of information on this puppy. About 5 hours later I fixed the problem which involved copying a know working Grub configuration file from some kind soul on the net, modifying it for my particular system and replacing the one already installed. I did this with a Knoppix LiveCD. So now I can boot the system, but my display image is shifted way off the screen and too low to click on anything. Google Time 2 hours later Ok I learned how to boot to a command line and edit the Xorg file to fix the entries that were incorrect for my common Nvidia card. So now I could see my desktop, but it was at 1024x768 and what appeared to be 16 colors. Google Time 3 hours later I discovered that there is no apparent way to get 32bpp, 3D acceleration, 85hz and 1280x1024 all at the same time like I have with Windows. Bummer. I settled for 1280x1024 24bpp and no 3d because I don't use it and Linux doesn't appear to have any games written for Linux anyhow. So now I have the system up, am surfing the net and things look pretty good. Time to add a printer. I go to the control panel and click on printers and peruse the list but I don't see my Lexmark Multifunction listed? I do see a similar model however so I decide to try this. It installs easy enough, but when I go to print I get one line of gibberish on the top of the page, the page ejects and the next page does the same thing over and over and over again. Rebooting the system does no good because the printer, like a mad beast, starts right up again wasting my paper. Finally I turn the damm thing off while I..................... Google Time 4 hours I discover Print Ques, printer names and the wonderful account called root. I finally figure out how to purge this thing and with some trepidation I turn the printer on and thankfully it behaves. Oh well, I don't need to print right now anyhow so on to my network. The problem is, I can't see my other 3 Windows Vista machines. And now it's......... you guessed it! GOOGLE TIME infinite I discover something called Samba, but I also learn that Microsoft Vista and Samba are not friends but only after a day and a hlf of playing with a smb.conf file and reading maybe a hundred web pages devoted to helping people get Samba working, and this is with Windows XP which supposedly plays nicely with Samba. I wouldn't know know, I never got Samba working. At this point, I took the Linux CD's, all 6 of them including the rescue CD which seems useless BTW and tossed them, violently I might add, into the dustbin. I have wasted far too much time with this Linux crap and I don't intend to waste another millisecond trying to shoehorn this pile of garbage into my systems. I can see why Linux is free. It doesn't work! I can also see why it is not even making the slightest ding in Microsoft's armour: It, Linux, doesn't work. I'm not sure, but if the Linux users expect people, ordinary people, to spend their lives Googling in order to make Linux work, they are daft. Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly, but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user. Karla Funny, I installed Ubuntu in less than half an hour. Try Ubuntu. www.ubuntu.com Order the 6.06 CD. They send it to you free and pay the postage. Alias -- The "Wow" starts now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc&eurl= |
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Gary wrote:
Its not how long it takes to install that counts. Its how long it takes you to get it to work that really counts. Vista a few hours. Linux days, months, years. Another stupid top poster. But in any case, one can be productive with Ubuntu even before it's installed, because you can get it on a LiveCD. :-) Sure one can spend months and years probing all the strengths GNU/Linux offers. Why? Because they're there and the operating system is capable of doing so much beyond just running apps on the desktop. Alas, the same can't be said for any version of Windoze. Cheers. "Dean G." wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 22, 12:22 pm, "Brian W" wrote: "Alias" wrote in message ... Funny, I installed Ubuntu in less than half an hour. Try Ubuntu. www.ubuntu.comOrder the 6.06 CD. They send it to you free and pay the postage. That's still more time than I ever plan to spend installing it on my system So you have no OS ? I know of no recent OS that takes less than 30 minutes to install on a PC. When you consider that Linux also installs many applications, which require a separate and also long installation on other OS's. Thus you are saying that the fastest installing OS is too slow for you, so you are going to use a slower one. Not only that, but if you go with a pre-installed OS, then you are likely going to end up re-installing the OS several times, as even the experts who promote that OS suggest an re-install at least annually, and perhaps more often for power users. Abort, Retry, Fail, Reboot, Reinstall, Remit all of your money to Redmond. Smile, you are one of those people Stalin called "useful". Dean G. -- The "Wow" starts now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc&eurl= |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:03:19 -0800, Justin wrote:
Few X 2? So you have at least 600 apps on your machine? How many apps I have on my machine is an entirely different question from how many I use. Here's how many are installed on the system: /usr/sbin 157 /usr/bin 107 /usr/sbin 210 /usr/bin 2031 Most of those are part of the default install but I discount the majority because I only use a small portion of them. I call BS on that one! It's easy enough to generate a list of all the applications I use but you'll still refuse to believe me. Ask in the Linux groups, you'll find that around 400 applications is typical of someone who has used Linux for several years and uses both GUI and CLI tools. And note that I'm not saying I use each and every application every day. However, each is likely to get used at least once over the course of several weeks. Here we go: abiword_2.4.5-0ubuntu2_i386.deb abiword-common_2.4.5-0ubuntu2_all.deb amor_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb anjuta_2.0.2-2ubuntu1_i386.deb anjuta-common_2.0.2-2ubuntu1_all.deb app-install-data-commercial_6.3_all.deb arson_0.9.8beta2-4.3ubuntu1_i386.deb artsbuilder_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb atlantik_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb atlantikdesigner_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb atlas3-base_3.6.0-20.2_i386.deb bchunk_1.2.0-1_i386.deb biew_5.6.2-2_i386.deb bind9-host_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3.1_i386.deb burn_0.4.3-2ubuntu1_i386.deb calc_2.02f-28_all.deb cdda2wav_4%3a2.01+01a03-5ubuntu2_i386.deb cdrbq_1.23-1_all.deb cdrtoaster_1.23-1_all.deb celestia-common_1.3.2-3.3ubuntu1_all.deb celestia-gnome_1.3.2-3.3ubuntu1_i386.deb ckermit_211-6_i386.deb coldsync_3.0+pre3-3_i386.deb cpufrequtils_002-1_i386.deb cream_0.35-2_all.deb cue2toc_0.4-1_i386.deb cuetools_1.3.1-1_i386.deb cvs_1%3a1.12.13-3_i386.deb cvs2html_1.96-1_all.deb devhelp-common_0.12-0ubuntu4_all.deb dnsutils_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3.1_i386.deb 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On Feb 22, 1:58 pm, "Dean G." wrote: On Feb 22, 1:11 pm, "Gary" wrote: Its not how long it takes to install that counts. Its how long it takes you to get it to work that really counts. Vista a few hours. Linux days, months, years. Ubuntu worked fine for me right after the install. The last version I had that took more than a few hours was Slackware 3.0, but that was a long time ago, and the then current Windows version (95) took longer to set up even with the vaunted "plug and play", which didn't really work. Also, Linux does far more out of the box. People like to compare a full distro of Linux to a bare OS install of Linux. Yes, maybe Windows is installed and "working", but you still can't do anything. Ubuntu, on the other hand, is ready to go with applications. You "working" Windows box still needs more work. It takes far longer to install Windows AND the equivalent applications. Hopefully Vista will do away with the Windows Multiple Reboot Boogie, but I wouldn't count on it. Dean G. So what you are saying is that I used the wrong version of Linux? Tell me, what is the right version of Linux? It doesn't exist. I've been through the distro juggling act before. I installed one and everything "worked" but printing. I installed another and printing worked but couldn't get networking running, etc, etc. There seem to be so many different versions and I figured since Fedora is associated with Redhat, it must be a well developed version of Linux. I was wrong. As for Linux shipping with a lot of applications this is true. However getting networking, printing, proper video and actually being able to boot the system is far more important to me than a lot of applications. Yeah, I've been waiting for MS to ship windows with 9 different text editors.... Damn them... Linux is so pitiful and I got frustrated, after days of mucking with Linux BTW, that I tossed it and I don't intend to try it again until it reaches the point where it is installable and usable on common hardware. Try back in about 5 years. Maybe. I just don't have the time to spend futzing with an operating system and I doubt other common users do either. Maybe it is a hobby for some, but not me. -- wjbell Peter K abandon his firewall lie: http://groups.google.com/group/comp....9552e5e2?hl=en Jim R failing to address the issue after being asked: http://groups.google.com/group/comp....4a2d7224?hl=en And of course, Roy Culley -- COLAs loyal hall monitor: http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q...s=roy+culle y http://groups.google.com/group/comp....1ad0453c?hl=en |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:55:27 -0500, Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User
wrote: I had an e-mail client who wanted to know if I could get her a 'knitting pattern' program for Linux as her 'dumb bunny' husband (her words) had made the switch from Windows to Linux.. unfortunately, there was nothing available, Maybe she should have asked a Linux user: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kpg/ There are many more where that came from but the husband held out until he came to want to play his favorite Toca 2 racing game.. oops.. it was not a Linux game, I wanted to add guns and bombs to my aircraft in Flight Simulator but I couldn't because it doesn't come with source code. and his steering wheel and pedals were useless too.. That would surprise me. High-end peripherals with secret Windows-only API's are a constant battle for OSS driver developers, but gaming controllers are trivially simple devices with fairly standard interfaces. the switch back to Windows was made, and I received a happy e-mail from the lady, who announced that the family computer was back in business again, having been used by nobody, including 'dumb bunny' since the installation of Linux.. Likely story. |
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Alias wrote in news:ODjUowqVHHA.4384 @TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: wrote: I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability. I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites and finally after 3 days I have everything working. SNIP Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly, but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user. Karla If you had had the good sense to use IRC and talk directly to Linux users, you would have saved yourself a lot of time googling. Alias Ahh, IRC, another obscure section of the Internet. One that surely is unfamiliar to most Internet users, just as (pure) UseNet was before it started to get exposed thru a few large web interfaces (and so still many think it is a web forum). It's been a long time since I popped on mIRC. It's a great program as it's one of the few apps you can just copy and paste the program directory somewhere at it ran fine. The OP's reaction to use the Web would have been my route also probably, for a bit, then a call to a Linux-knowledgable friend of mine when I was totally frustrated. Some groups even have bots that will answer your Ubuntu questions. IRC is not dead. I first used it with Win95. Course, over in Europe we also used ICQ instead of MSN Messenger or AIM. That is until AOL made a few Israeli boys rich and bought it. IRC wouldn't have crossed my mind at all...... DanS Now you have had it cross your mind :-) Also, had you ever installed Ubuntu and had opened Firefox, you would have seen a recommendation to visit the Ubuntu IRC room. Alias |
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DanS wrote:
Alias wrote in news:ODjUowqVHHA.4384 @TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: wrote: I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability. I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites and finally after 3 days I have everything working. SNIP Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly, but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user. Karla If you had had the good sense to use IRC and talk directly to Linux users, you would have saved yourself a lot of time googling. Alias Ahh, IRC, another obscure section of the Internet. One that surely is unfamiliar to most Internet users, just as (pure) UseNet was before it started to get exposed thru a few large web interfaces (and so still many think it is a web forum). It's been a long time since I popped on mIRC. It's a great program as it's one of the few apps you can just copy and paste the program directory somewhere at it ran fine. The OP's reaction to use the Web would have been my route also probably, for a bit, then a call to a Linux-knowledgable friend of mine when I was totally frustrated. Some groups even have bots that will answer your Ubuntu questions. IRC is not dead. I first used it with Win95, along with ICQ until AOL made some Israeli boys rich by buying it. Now I use GAIM. IRC wouldn't have crossed my mind at all...... DanS Now it has :-) And, had you installed Ubuntu and opened Firefox, you would have seen a recommendation to visit IRC and speak with experienced Ubuntu users. Alias |
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