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  #46  
Old February 22nd 07, 11:36 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,alt.os.windows-xp
Paul-B
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

wrote:

On Feb 22, 2:46 pm, "Paul-B" wrote:
wrote:

As for Linux shipping with a lot of applications this is true.
However getting networking, printing, proper video and actually
being able to boot the system is far more important to me than a
lot of applications.


1. Download the Ubuntu .iso image 15 minutes
2. Burn to disk 4 minutes
3. Boot from cd into Ubuntu 2 minutes
4. Select install to hard drive option 5 seconds
5. Install routine starts and finishes 20 minutes
6. Remove disk, boot PC to desktop 1 minute
7. Set up sharing, connect to other
PC's on (wireless) network 10 minutes
8. Set up local and network laser
printers using cups 10 minutes

That's about how long it took me.

Cost? Nothing!

No time looking for drivers, no time installing applications, which
were all bundled with the o/s, no need for virus-checkers or spyware
checkers.

Paul-B


That's all very nice but I have one question?


Looks like more than one question to me...

How many months did you spend researching and hunting down hardware
that would work with Linux?


Umm, none, actually. I'd given up on Linux for years, for most of the
reasons quoted... I knew it was rock-solid (worked with Linux servers
for a while) and to be honest I didn't have the time to play around
with esoteric software to run a basic workstation when Windows 98 would
do the job.

Then a friend pointed me to Ubuntu (although I'd had a reasonable
experience with Knoppix as a rescue medium).

How many other versions of Linux did you try before you finally found
one that worked?


None. Plunged in wuth Ubuntu and have never looked back.


I've asked a number of people about their personal experiences with
Linux and each one said the same thing.

"Linux is fine if you pick and choose your hardware carefully and if
you happen to use a distribution that is well supported and works with
your carefully chosen hardware".

Stray far from that tennant and Linux becomes a nightmare.

So how long did you spend doing the research?

Or did you just happen to *get lucky* ?


I presume you meant "tenet"?

No, I wasn't "lucky"... I left Linux alone for years, because my
full-time job doesn't leave me with much time to play with operating
systems. It was only when Ubuntu, in both server and desktop flavours,
came into my sphere of knowledge, that I found the time to think of it
as a very good alternative, given the right slot.

I was amazed at how easily Ubuntu replaced windows on my bog-standard
pc, without any of the hassles even XP gave me.

Don't get me wrong... I like my current version of Windows, XP Pro with
all the SP's. But I'm not blind to it's shortcomings, any more than I
am to the shortcomings in Linux, and there are quite a few. As for
Vista, at the moment it's nothing more than a dog's breakfast of an
operating system... all my clients have been told I'll install it for
them if they want, but I won't support it free of charge, if they
insist on having it they can pay me £65 per hour to sort-out the
problems which willl surely arise. Needless to say no-one wants it, and
no-one has looked-for an alternative support service... I retain all my
clients.

Put it like this. My Linux rig is an Athlon 64-bit 3500 cpu, 2 x 200Gb
SATA drives (Silicon Image controllers), with a bog-standard Gigabyte
GA-KA8N Ultra SLi mobo and a SafeCom wireless nic. Ubuntu installed
without asking me for any of the drivers, including the chipset and
SATA drivers, and that's something which neither XP or Vista could do.

Which, to my mind, is rather good.



--
Paul-B
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  #47  
Old February 22nd 07, 11:40 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,alt.os.windows-xp
Alias
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

wrote:
On Feb 22, 1:33 pm, Alias wrote:
Gary wrote:
Its not how long it takes to install that counts. Its how long it takes you
to get it to work that really counts.
Vista a few hours. Linux days, months, years.

LOL! Mine was ready to go right away.

Alias





"Dean G." wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 22, 12:22 pm, "Brian W"
wrote:
"Alias" wrote in message
...
Funny, I installed Ubuntu in less than half an hour. Try Ubuntu.
www.ubuntu.comOrderthe 6.06 CD. They send it to you free and pay the
postage.
That's still more time than I ever plan to spend installing it on my
system
So you have no OS ? I know of no recent OS that takes less than 30
minutes to install on a PC. When you consider that Linux also installs
many applications, which require a separate and also long installation
on other OS's. Thus you are saying that the fastest installing OS is
too slow for you, so you are going to use a slower one.
Not only that, but if you go with a pre-installed OS, then you are
likely going to end up re-installing the OS several times, as even the
experts who promote that OS suggest an re-install at least annually,
and perhaps more often for power users.
Abort, Retry, Fail, Reboot, Reinstall, Remit all of your money to
Redmond. Smile, you are one of those people Stalin called "useful".
Dean G.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


So was mine.
Ready to go into the dustbin of course.
I just wasn't smart enough to toss it after the first set of problems.

Linux is a waste of time.
A HUGE waste of time.


Your loss. Keep paying MS.

Alias
  #48  
Old February 22nd 07, 11:43 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,alt.os.windows-xp
Alias
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:46 pm, "Paul-B" wrote:
wrote:

As for Linux shipping with a lot of applications this is true.
However getting networking, printing, proper video and actually being
able to boot the system is far more important to me than a lot of
applications.

1. Download the Ubuntu .iso image 15 minutes
2. Burn to disk 4 minutes
3. Boot from cd into Ubuntu 2 minutes
4. Select install to hard drive option 5 seconds
5. Install routine starts and finishes 20 minutes
6. Remove disk, boot PC to desktop 1 minute
7. Set up sharing, connect to other
PC's on (wireless) network 10 minutes
8. Set up local and network laser
printers using cups 10 minutes

That's about how long it took me.

Cost? Nothing!

No time looking for drivers, no time installing applications, which
were all bundled with the o/s, no need for virus-checkers or spyware
checkers.

Paul-B


That's all very nice but I have one question?


No, you have many wise ass questions, not one.

How many months did you spend researching and hunting down hardware
that would work with Linux?


Zero seconds.

How many other versions of Linux did you try before you finally found
one that worked?


None.


I've asked a number of people about their personal experiences with
Linux and each one said the same thing.

"Linux is fine if you pick and choose your hardware carefully and if
you happen to use a distribution that is well supported and works with
your carefully chosen hardware".

Stray far from that tennant and Linux becomes a nightmare.

So how long did you spend doing the research?

Or did you just happen to *get lucky* ?


I guess I got lucky with my old ASUS AMD 800 Mhz with 512 PC-100 RAM, a
genius sound card and an old ATI video card. I'm tying this message with
it now.

Alias
  #49  
Old February 22nd 07, 11:49 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,alt.os.windows-xp
DanS
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

Alias wrote in news:ODjUowqVHHA.4384
@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

wrote:
I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems
to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability.
I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites
and finally after 3 days I have everything working.


SNIP


Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly,
but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user.

Karla


If you had had the good sense to use IRC and talk directly to Linux
users, you would have saved yourself a lot of time googling.

Alias


Ahh, IRC, another obscure section of the Internet. One that surely is
unfamiliar to most Internet users, just as (pure) UseNet was before it
started to get exposed thru a few large web interfaces (and so still many
think it is a web forum). It's been a long time since I popped on mIRC.
It's a great program as it's one of the few apps you can just copy and
paste the program directory somewhere at it ran fine.

The OP's reaction to use the Web would have been my route also probably,
for a bit, then a call to a Linux-knowledgable friend of mine when I was
totally frustrated.

IRC wouldn't have crossed my mind at all......

DanS
  #50  
Old February 22nd 07, 11:51 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,alt.os.windows-xp
Alias
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Default Vista Is Bad Butt Pista Is Horrendous!!!!

wrote:
On Feb 22, 3:07 pm, 7 wrote:
nym shifting asstroturfing coward wrote on behalf
of micoshaft corporation:

I

Vista is the pistake pista.
Its bad so let us De-Pistify your PC!!!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++
+ +
+ Micoshaft Pista Newcomer FAQ and Primer +
+ Edition: 21 - 9/24/06 +
+ Group: Pista Installees +
+ +
+ Copyright (c) 2007 Pista Removal Reality Team +
+ Sponsored by Micoshaft Corporation +
+ Released Under GPL 3 License +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++

Welcome to the Windopz De-Pistification FAQette.

WoW that was a mouthful wasn't it boys and girls?!

Have you De-Pistified your PC?

Let me explain:

You bought vista crap from our sponsor micoshaft corporation
and you realize after hours of reboots and re-installs
that our sponsor micoshaft has taken the **** out of you. So you
decide that this vista Pista is not for you.
Now you want to de-install Pista but expee takes up even
more hours and all your driver
diskettes are mislaid/lost and application cds are fscked
because your dog has been shagging it for some time, etc, etc, etc.
Oh Smuck is me you cry out in vain as your PC craps out on you
leaving you with nothing despite you having paid truck loads of money.

Then light at the end of the tunnel appears in the form
of Linux. Now you get angry and use Linux in anger to recover
you data. RAAAAARRRrrrr... you growl through into the night
recovering data, learning GNU/Linux and by midnight all your
work is done, your computers are working, you learned many
things and Linux with Beryl is the king. You can sleep in peace
knowing Linux is your friend and share your dreams
with others...

Get Linux here...
http://www.livecdlist.com
http://www.distrowatch.com

For Beryl, downloaded latest beta release
of Ubuntu (Feisty Fawn)...
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-3/

Install Beryl using the 3 click guide which links from here...
http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/I...eryl_on_Ubuntu

And so WoW, after 3 clicks, you have Beryl up and running on your PC!!!

All that remains is now for you to stick the De-Pistification
Inventory label on your PC to complete the job...

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++
+ +
+ Windopz De-Pistified PC +
+ OS: Ubuntu + Beryl +
+ Edition: 21 - 9/24/06 +
+ SN: 69 68 69 96 69 +
+ +
+ Copyright (c) 2006 Pista Removal Reality Team +
+ Released Under GPL 3 License +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++

Be sure to come back for more in the next installation
of Micoshaft Pista Removal FAQ and Primer - Edition 22.


Please don't take this the wrong way, but are you mentally retarded?
I'm just curious.



Once again a MS apologist can only provide a knee jerk reaction: an insult.

Alias
  #51  
Old February 23rd 07, 12:12 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,alt.os.windows-xp
The Ghost In The Machine
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Alias

wrote
on Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:40:20 +0100
:
wrote:
On Feb 22, 1:33 pm, Alias wrote:
Gary wrote:
Its not how long it takes to install that counts. Its how long it takes you
to get it to work that really counts.
Vista a few hours. Linux days, months, years.
LOL! Mine was ready to go right away.

Alias





"Dean G." wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 22, 12:22 pm, "Brian W"
wrote:
"Alias" wrote in message
...
Funny, I installed Ubuntu in less than half an hour. Try Ubuntu.
www.ubuntu.comOrderthe 6.06 CD. They send it to you free and pay the
postage.
That's still more time than I ever plan to spend installing it on my
system
So you have no OS ? I know of no recent OS that takes less than 30
minutes to install on a PC. When you consider that Linux also installs
many applications, which require a separate and also long installation
on other OS's. Thus you are saying that the fastest installing OS is
too slow for you, so you are going to use a slower one.
Not only that, but if you go with a pre-installed OS, then you are
likely going to end up re-installing the OS several times, as even the
experts who promote that OS suggest an re-install at least annually,
and perhaps more often for power users.
Abort, Retry, Fail, Reboot, Reinstall, Remit all of your money to
Redmond. Smile, you are one of those people Stalin called "useful".
Dean G.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -


So was mine.
Ready to go into the dustbin of course.
I just wasn't smart enough to toss it after the first set of problems.

Linux is a waste of time.
A HUGE waste of time.


Your loss. Keep paying MS.

Alias


Somebody has to. Million-dollar mansions don't build themselves. :-)

http://www.aaxnet.com/news/L981010.html

--
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Linux. Because it's not the desktop that's
important, it's the ability to DO something
with it.

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  #52  
Old February 23rd 07, 12:51 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,alt.os.windows-xp
Wynston Percy Tybuh III
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

Oh my Karla's post was funny, but true! I too have spent many, many hours
installing, reinstalling, uninstalling various Linux distros. and many more
hours Googling various hiccoughs I needed to get past.

Here's my prediction when any of the Linux distros get installs down to a MS
type install, THEN we'll see more of it in the hands of and on the
desktops/laptops of "regular" users. Till then...MS rules!



"Alias" wrote in message
...
wrote:
I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems
to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability.
I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites
and finally after 3 days I have everything working.
This fiasco has left me with some doubt as to whether or not Microsoft
has the ability to maintain it's position as the defacto standard in
operating systems.

After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system
which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board.
I downloaded Fedora and attempted to install.

First problem, my SATA drives were not found.

Google time 2 hours later I found the solution which was a
Custom Install Option.

(After a few cryptic questions and a partition manager that was
convoluted and potentially very dangerous in the hands of a new user,
Fedora was installed)

Second Problem, the system would not boot after install. I got a Grub
Error 15 message.

Google Time 5 Hours Later .. Oh boy I found lots of
information on this puppy. About 5 hours later I fixed the problem
which involved copying a know working Grub configuration file from
some kind soul on the net, modifying it for my particular system and
replacing the one already installed. I did this with a Knoppix LiveCD.

So now I can boot the system, but my display image is shifted way off
the screen and too low to click on anything.

Google Time 2 hours later Ok I learned how to boot to a
command line and edit the Xorg file to fix the entries that were
incorrect for my common Nvidia card.
So now I could see my desktop, but it was at 1024x768 and what
appeared to be 16 colors.

Google Time 3 hours later I discovered that there is no
apparent way to get 32bpp, 3D acceleration, 85hz and 1280x1024 all at
the same time like I have with Windows.
Bummer.
I settled for 1280x1024 24bpp and no 3d because I don't use it and
Linux doesn't appear to have any games written for Linux anyhow.

So now I have the system up, am surfing the net and things look pretty
good.
Time to add a printer.
I go to the control panel and click on printers and peruse the list
but I don't see my Lexmark Multifunction listed?
I do see a similar model however so I decide to try this.
It installs easy enough, but when I go to print I get one line of
gibberish on the top of the page, the page ejects and the next page
does the same thing over and over and over again.
Rebooting the system does no good because the printer, like a mad
beast, starts right up again wasting my paper.
Finally I turn the damm thing off while I.....................

Google Time 4 hours I discover Print Ques, printer names and
the wonderful account called root. I finally figure out how to purge
this thing and with some trepidation I turn the printer on and
thankfully it behaves.

Oh well, I don't need to print right now anyhow so on to my network.
The problem is, I can't see my other 3 Windows Vista machines.
And now it's.........
you guessed it!

GOOGLE TIME infinite I discover something called Samba, but I
also learn that Microsoft Vista and Samba are not friends but only
after a day and a hlf of playing with a smb.conf file and reading
maybe a hundred web pages devoted to helping people get Samba working,
and this is with Windows XP which supposedly plays nicely with Samba.
I wouldn't know know, I never got Samba working.

At this point, I took the Linux CD's, all 6 of them including the
rescue CD which seems useless BTW and tossed them, violently I might
add, into the dustbin.

I have wasted far too much time with this Linux crap and I don't
intend to waste another millisecond trying to shoehorn this pile of
garbage into my systems.

I can see why Linux is free.
It doesn't work!

I can also see why it is not even making the slightest ding in
Microsoft's armour:
It, Linux, doesn't work.

I'm not sure, but if the Linux users expect people, ordinary people,
to spend their lives Googling in order to make Linux work, they are
daft.

Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly,
but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user.

Karla


Funny, I installed Ubuntu in less than half an hour. Try Ubuntu.
www.ubuntu.com Order the 6.06 CD. They send it to you free and pay the
postage.

Alias


  #53  
Old February 23rd 07, 12:56 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,alt.os.windows-xp
Joe User
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Default Yes, it's flatfish again.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:59:43 -0800, karla.bonerstein wrote:

I've spent the last 3 days


Flattie has once again been spending his life on the Internet looking for
whatever problems he can find that other people might have with Linux.
After he finds enough (or gets tired of looking), he puts them all
together into a little story about himself and what horrors he experienced
the other day when he tried to install this new OS he read about called
Linux, and then he chooses a new name for himself (for the past few
years, he has favored pretending to be female) and posts it to COLA and
half a dozen other groups.

People, he has been doing this for more than 10 years. I think it must be
the most important thing in his life. He never tires of it, and I really
don't think he ever will.

Play with him all you like, but keep in mind that you're responding to a
completely fictitious story posted by some poor schmuck who has had
nothing better to do for the past decade. The guy is disturbed.
  #54  
Old February 23rd 07, 01:06 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,alt.os.windows-xp
NoStop
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:

Have you been to this forum? How can this all be? A forum full of
problems?

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/

Stupid top poster! In any case, you'll find people there asking alot of
questions about all the various software packages that are available for
Ubuntu. It's like taking 20,000 Windows support forums and rolling them all
into one. Also, there are very many posters there who have just upgraded
their computers from Windoze to Ubuntu and still have to learn how to
overcome all the bad stuff they've learned using Windoze. For some, coming
from the Windoze world it is a bit daunting, but after a while they catch
on to the logic of GNU/Linux and it all becomes clear that this is the real
way to operate a computer.

Cheers.



"Alias" wrote in message
...
wrote:
I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems
to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability.
I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites
and finally after 3 days I have everything working.
This fiasco has left me with some doubt as to whether or not Microsoft
has the ability to maintain it's position as the defacto standard in
operating systems.

After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system
which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board.
I downloaded Fedora and attempted to install.

First problem, my SATA drives were not found.

Google time 2 hours later I found the solution which was a
Custom Install Option.

(After a few cryptic questions and a partition manager that was
convoluted and potentially very dangerous in the hands of a new user,
Fedora was installed)

Second Problem, the system would not boot after install. I got a Grub
Error 15 message.

Google Time 5 Hours Later .. Oh boy I found lots of
information on this puppy. About 5 hours later I fixed the problem
which involved copying a know working Grub configuration file from
some kind soul on the net, modifying it for my particular system and
replacing the one already installed. I did this with a Knoppix LiveCD.

So now I can boot the system, but my display image is shifted way off
the screen and too low to click on anything.

Google Time 2 hours later Ok I learned how to boot to a
command line and edit the Xorg file to fix the entries that were
incorrect for my common Nvidia card.
So now I could see my desktop, but it was at 1024x768 and what
appeared to be 16 colors.

Google Time 3 hours later I discovered that there is no
apparent way to get 32bpp, 3D acceleration, 85hz and 1280x1024 all at
the same time like I have with Windows.
Bummer.
I settled for 1280x1024 24bpp and no 3d because I don't use it and
Linux doesn't appear to have any games written for Linux anyhow.

So now I have the system up, am surfing the net and things look pretty
good.
Time to add a printer.
I go to the control panel and click on printers and peruse the list
but I don't see my Lexmark Multifunction listed?
I do see a similar model however so I decide to try this.
It installs easy enough, but when I go to print I get one line of
gibberish on the top of the page, the page ejects and the next page
does the same thing over and over and over again.
Rebooting the system does no good because the printer, like a mad
beast, starts right up again wasting my paper.
Finally I turn the damm thing off while I.....................

Google Time 4 hours I discover Print Ques, printer names and
the wonderful account called root. I finally figure out how to purge
this thing and with some trepidation I turn the printer on and
thankfully it behaves.

Oh well, I don't need to print right now anyhow so on to my network.
The problem is, I can't see my other 3 Windows Vista machines.
And now it's.........
you guessed it!

GOOGLE TIME infinite I discover something called Samba, but I
also learn that Microsoft Vista and Samba are not friends but only
after a day and a hlf of playing with a smb.conf file and reading
maybe a hundred web pages devoted to helping people get Samba working,
and this is with Windows XP which supposedly plays nicely with Samba.
I wouldn't know know, I never got Samba working.

At this point, I took the Linux CD's, all 6 of them including the
rescue CD which seems useless BTW and tossed them, violently I might
add, into the dustbin.

I have wasted far too much time with this Linux crap and I don't
intend to waste another millisecond trying to shoehorn this pile of
garbage into my systems.

I can see why Linux is free.
It doesn't work!

I can also see why it is not even making the slightest ding in
Microsoft's armour:
It, Linux, doesn't work.

I'm not sure, but if the Linux users expect people, ordinary people,
to spend their lives Googling in order to make Linux work, they are
daft.

Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly,
but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user.

Karla


Funny, I installed Ubuntu in less than half an hour. Try Ubuntu.
www.ubuntu.com Order the 6.06 CD. They send it to you free and pay the
postage.

Alias



--
The "Wow" starts now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc&eurl=

  #55  
Old February 23rd 07, 01:12 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,alt.os.windows-xp
NoStop
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Posts: 204
Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

Gary wrote:

Its not how long it takes to install that counts. Its how long it takes
you to get it to work that really counts.
Vista a few hours. Linux days, months, years.

Another stupid top poster. But in any case, one can be productive with
Ubuntu even before it's installed, because you can get it on a LiveCD. :-)
Sure one can spend months and years probing all the strengths GNU/Linux
offers. Why? Because they're there and the operating system is capable of
doing so much beyond just running apps on the desktop. Alas, the same can't
be said for any version of Windoze.

Cheers.



"Dean G." wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 22, 12:22 pm, "Brian W"
wrote:
"Alias" wrote in message

...



Funny, I installed Ubuntu in less than half an hour. Try Ubuntu.
www.ubuntu.comOrder the 6.06 CD. They send it to you free and pay the
postage.

That's still more time than I ever plan to spend installing it on my
system


So you have no OS ? I know of no recent OS that takes less than 30
minutes to install on a PC. When you consider that Linux also installs
many applications, which require a separate and also long installation
on other OS's. Thus you are saying that the fastest installing OS is
too slow for you, so you are going to use a slower one.

Not only that, but if you go with a pre-installed OS, then you are
likely going to end up re-installing the OS several times, as even the
experts who promote that OS suggest an re-install at least annually,
and perhaps more often for power users.

Abort, Retry, Fail, Reboot, Reinstall, Remit all of your money to
Redmond. Smile, you are one of those people Stalin called "useful".

Dean G.




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The "Wow" starts now.
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Old February 23rd 07, 01:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
arachnid
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:03:19 -0800, Justin wrote:

Few X 2? So you have at least 600 apps on your machine?


How many apps I have on my machine is an entirely different question from
how many I use. Here's how many are installed on the system:

/usr/sbin 157
/usr/bin 107
/usr/sbin 210
/usr/bin 2031

Most of those are part of the default install but I discount the majority
because I only use a small portion of them.

I call BS on that one!


It's easy enough to generate a list of all the applications I use but
you'll still refuse to believe me. Ask in the Linux groups, you'll find
that around 400 applications is typical of someone who has used Linux for
several years and uses both GUI and CLI tools. And note that I'm not
saying I use each and every application every day. However, each is
likely to get used at least once over the course of several weeks.

Here we go:

abiword_2.4.5-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
abiword-common_2.4.5-0ubuntu2_all.deb
amor_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
anjuta_2.0.2-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
anjuta-common_2.0.2-2ubuntu1_all.deb
app-install-data-commercial_6.3_all.deb
arson_0.9.8beta2-4.3ubuntu1_i386.deb
artsbuilder_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
atlantik_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
atlantikdesigner_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
atlas3-base_3.6.0-20.2_i386.deb
bchunk_1.2.0-1_i386.deb
biew_5.6.2-2_i386.deb
bind9-host_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
burn_0.4.3-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
calc_2.02f-28_all.deb
cdda2wav_4%3a2.01+01a03-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
cdrbq_1.23-1_all.deb
cdrtoaster_1.23-1_all.deb
celestia-common_1.3.2-3.3ubuntu1_all.deb
celestia-gnome_1.3.2-3.3ubuntu1_i386.deb
ckermit_211-6_i386.deb
coldsync_3.0+pre3-3_i386.deb
cpufrequtils_002-1_i386.deb
cream_0.35-2_all.deb
cue2toc_0.4-1_i386.deb
cuetools_1.3.1-1_i386.deb
cvs_1%3a1.12.13-3_i386.deb
cvs2html_1.96-1_all.deb
devhelp-common_0.12-0ubuntu4_all.deb
dnsutils_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
dosbox_0.65-1_i386.deb
dosemu_1.2.2-5ubuntu1_i386.deb
dvdauthor_0.6.11-4_i386.deb
dvdisaster_0.70-1_i386.deb
dvdisaster-doc_0.70-1_all.deb
dvdrtools_0.2.1-1_i386.deb
eagle_4.16-2_i386.deb
eagle-data_4.16-2_all.deb
emacs21_21.4a-6ubuntu2_i386.deb
emacs21-bin-common_21.4a-6ubuntu2_i386.deb
emacs21-common_21.4a-6ubuntu2_all.deb
emacsen-common_1.4.17_all.deb
enscript_1.6.4-9_i386.deb
exdbm_1.0b2-13_i386.deb
eyesapplet_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
fifteenapplet_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
gawk_1%3a3.1.5.dfsg-4_i386.deb
gcc-3.4-base_3.4.6-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
gcombust_0.1.55-2_i386.deb
geda_20060123-1_i386.deb
geda-doc_20060906-1_all.deb
geda-gnetlist_20060906-1_i386.deb
geda-gschem_20060906-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
geda-gsymcheck_20060906-1_i386.deb
geda-symbols_20060906-1_all.deb
geda-utils_20060906-1_i386.deb
gnucap_1%3a0.34-5_i386.deb
gnumeric_1.7.0-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
gnumeric-common_1.7.0-1ubuntu4_all.deb
gnuplot_4.0.0-3_all.deb
gnuplot-nox_4.0.0-3_i386.deb
gnuplot-x11_4.0.0-3_i386.deb
gpsim_0.20.14-7.3_i386.deb
gputils_0.13.3-1_i386.deb
graphmonkey_1.5-5_all.deb
groff_1.18.1.1-12_i386.deb
grokking-the-gimp_1.0-1_all.deb
gxine_0.5.7-1ubuntu6_i386.deb
hfsplus_1.0.4-10ubuntu1_i386.deb
hfsutils_3.2.6-10_i386.deb
imagemagick_7%3a6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.10ubuntu0.2_i386.deb
itcl3_3.2.1-3.1_i386.deb
itk3_3.2.1-3.1_i386.deb
iwidgets4_4.0.1-3_all.deb
kaddressbook_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kaddressbook-plugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kappfinder_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
karbon_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
kasteroids_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kate_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kate-plugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
katomic_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kbackgammon_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kbattleship_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kblackbox_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kbounce_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kchart_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
kcontrol_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kdeaddons_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kdeaddons-kfile-plugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kdeartwork_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kdeartwork-emoticons_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kdeartwork-misc_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kdeartwork-style_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
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kdebase_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_all.deb
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kdebase-kio-plugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kdegames_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
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kde-guidance_0.7.0-0ubuntu4_i386.deb
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system-tools-backends_1.9.7-0ubuntu5_all.deb
tetex-base_3.0-19_all.deb
tetex-bin_3.0-17ubuntu2_i386.deb
tetex-extra_3.0-19_all.deb
tetradraw_2.0.3-3_i386.deb
tex-common_0.25_all.deb
texinfo_4.8.dfsg.1-1ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
tidy_20051018-1_i386.deb
totem_2.16.2-0ubuntu3_all.deb
totem-gstreamer_2.16.2-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
totem-mozilla_2.16.2-0ubuntu3_all.deb
tuxpaint_1%3a0.9.15b-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
tuxpaint-data_1%3a0.9.15b-3ubuntu1_all.deb
tuxpaint-stamps-default_2005.11.25-1ubuntu2_all.deb
tzdata_2006p-0ubuntu6.10_all.deb
uae_0.8.22-1_i386.deb
uae-exotic_0.8.22-1_i386.deb
uae-suid_0.8.22-1_i386.deb
udev_093-0ubuntu18.0edgy2_i386.deb
unrar_1%3a3.5.4-0.1_i386.deb
vcdtools_0.4-2_i386.deb
vim_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-full_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-gui-common_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_all.deb
vim-perl_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-python_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-ruby_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-runtime_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_all.deb
vim-scripts_6-3_all.deb
vim-tcl_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-vimoutliner_0.3.4-3_all.deb
vino_2.16.0-0ubuntu2.4_i386.deb
volumeid_093-0ubuntu18.0edgy2_i386.deb
wine_0.9.22-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
x10_1.06-14_i386.deb
x10-automate_1.00-8ubuntu1_all.deb
xaw3dg_1.5+E-14ubuntu1_i386.deb
xcdroast_0.98+0alpha15-7_i386.deb
xdg-utils_1.0-0ubuntu2_all.deb
xserver-xorg-core_1%3a1.1.1-0ubuntu12.1_i386.deb

These are just the package names. Many packages contain multiple
applications. KDE, for example, is a suite of about 140 applications.

  #57  
Old February 23rd 07, 01:19 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,alt.os.windows-xp
wjbell
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

wrote:
On Feb 22, 1:58 pm, "Dean G." wrote:
On Feb 22, 1:11 pm, "Gary" wrote:

Its not how long it takes to install that counts. Its how long it takes you
to get it to work that really counts.
Vista a few hours. Linux days, months, years.


Ubuntu worked fine for me right after the install. The last version I
had that took more than a few hours was Slackware 3.0, but that was a
long time ago, and the then current Windows version (95) took longer
to set up even with the vaunted "plug and play", which didn't really
work.

Also, Linux does far more out of the box. People like to compare a
full distro of Linux to a bare OS install of Linux. Yes, maybe Windows
is installed and "working", but you still can't do anything. Ubuntu,
on the other hand, is ready to go with applications. You "working"
Windows box still needs more work. It takes far longer to install
Windows AND the equivalent applications. Hopefully Vista will do away
with the Windows Multiple Reboot Boogie, but I wouldn't count on it.

Dean G.


So what you are saying is that I used the wrong version of Linux?
Tell me, what is the right version of Linux?


It doesn't exist.

I've been through the distro juggling act before. I installed one and
everything "worked" but printing. I installed another and printing
worked but couldn't get networking running, etc, etc.

There seem to be so many different versions and I figured since Fedora
is associated with Redhat, it must be a well developed version of
Linux.

I was wrong.

As for Linux shipping with a lot of applications this is true.
However getting networking, printing, proper video and actually being
able to boot the system is far more important to me than a lot of
applications.


Yeah, I've been waiting for MS to ship windows with 9 different text
editors.... Damn them...

Linux is so pitiful and I got frustrated, after days of mucking with
Linux BTW, that I tossed it and I don't intend
to try it again until it reaches the point where it is installable and
usable on common hardware.


Try back in about 5 years. Maybe.


I just don't have the time to spend futzing with an operating system
and I doubt other common users do either.
Maybe it is a hobby for some, but not me.



--
wjbell

Peter K abandon his firewall lie:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....9552e5e2?hl=en

Jim R failing to address the issue after being asked:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....4a2d7224?hl=en

And of course, Roy Culley -- COLAs loyal hall monitor:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q...s=roy+culle y
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....1ad0453c?hl=en
  #58  
Old February 23rd 07, 01:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
arachnid
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:55:27 -0500, Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User
wrote:

I had an e-mail client who wanted to know if I could get her a 'knitting
pattern' program for Linux as her 'dumb bunny' husband (her words) had
made the switch from Windows to Linux.. unfortunately, there was nothing
available,


Maybe she should have asked a Linux user:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/kpg/


There are many more where that came from but the husband held out until
he came to want to play his favorite Toca 2 racing game.. oops.. it was
not a Linux game,


I wanted to add guns and bombs to my aircraft in Flight Simulator but I
couldn't because it doesn't come with source code.

and his steering wheel and pedals were useless too..


That would surprise me. High-end peripherals with secret Windows-only
API's are a constant battle for OSS driver developers, but gaming
controllers are trivially simple devices with fairly standard interfaces.

the switch back to Windows was made, and I received a happy e-mail from
the lady, who announced that the family computer was back in business
again, having been used by nobody, including 'dumb bunny' since the
installation of Linux..


Likely story.

  #59  
Old February 23rd 07, 01:44 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Alias
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

DanS wrote:
Alias wrote in news:ODjUowqVHHA.4384
@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

wrote:
I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems
to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability.
I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites
and finally after 3 days I have everything working.


SNIP

Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly,
but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user.

Karla

If you had had the good sense to use IRC and talk directly to Linux
users, you would have saved yourself a lot of time googling.

Alias


Ahh, IRC, another obscure section of the Internet. One that surely is
unfamiliar to most Internet users, just as (pure) UseNet was before it
started to get exposed thru a few large web interfaces (and so still many
think it is a web forum). It's been a long time since I popped on mIRC.
It's a great program as it's one of the few apps you can just copy and
paste the program directory somewhere at it ran fine.

The OP's reaction to use the Web would have been my route also probably,
for a bit, then a call to a Linux-knowledgable friend of mine when I was
totally frustrated.


Some groups even have bots that will answer your Ubuntu questions. IRC
is not dead. I first used it with Win95. Course, over in Europe we also
used ICQ instead of MSN Messenger or AIM. That is until AOL made a few
Israeli boys rich and bought it.


IRC wouldn't have crossed my mind at all......

DanS


Now you have had it cross your mind :-) Also, had you ever installed
Ubuntu and had opened Firefox, you would have seen a recommendation to
visit the Ubuntu IRC room.

Alias
  #60  
Old February 23rd 07, 01:47 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Alias
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

DanS wrote:
Alias wrote in news:ODjUowqVHHA.4384
@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

wrote:
I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems
to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability.
I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites
and finally after 3 days I have everything working.


SNIP

Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly,
but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user.

Karla

If you had had the good sense to use IRC and talk directly to Linux
users, you would have saved yourself a lot of time googling.

Alias


Ahh, IRC, another obscure section of the Internet. One that surely is
unfamiliar to most Internet users, just as (pure) UseNet was before it
started to get exposed thru a few large web interfaces (and so still many
think it is a web forum). It's been a long time since I popped on mIRC.
It's a great program as it's one of the few apps you can just copy and
paste the program directory somewhere at it ran fine.

The OP's reaction to use the Web would have been my route also probably,
for a bit, then a call to a Linux-knowledgable friend of mine when I was
totally frustrated.


Some groups even have bots that will answer your Ubuntu questions. IRC
is not dead. I first used it with Win95, along with ICQ until AOL made
some Israeli boys rich by buying it. Now I use GAIM.

IRC wouldn't have crossed my mind at all......

DanS


Now it has :-) And, had you installed Ubuntu and opened Firefox, you
would have seen a recommendation to visit IRC and speak with experienced
Ubuntu users.

Alias
 




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