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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!



 
 
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  #61  
Old February 23rd 07, 01:51 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Alias
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Default Yes, it's flatfish again.

Joe User wrote:

People, he has been doing this for more than 10 years. I think it must be
the most important thing in his life. He never tires of it, and I really
don't think he ever will.

Play with him all you like, but keep in mind that you're responding to a
completely fictitious story posted by some poor schmuck who has had
nothing better to do for the past decade. The guy is disturbed.


Thanks for the heads up, albeit a little late in the thread ;-)

Alias
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  #62  
Old February 23rd 07, 02:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

All true.. the lady asked two Linux users.. they couldn't find anything.. no
real surprise as all knitting pattern progs were Windows only at the time..
c'est la guerre..


... "arachnid" wrote in message
newsan.2007.02.23.00.21.05.375552@goawayspammers .com...
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:55:27 -0500, Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User
wrote:

I had an e-mail client who wanted to know if I could get her a 'knitting
pattern' program for Linux as her 'dumb bunny' husband (her words) had
made the switch from Windows to Linux.. unfortunately, there was nothing
available,


Maybe she should have asked a Linux user:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/kpg/


There are many more where that came from but the husband held out until
he came to want to play his favorite Toca 2 racing game.. oops.. it was
not a Linux game,


I wanted to add guns and bombs to my aircraft in Flight Simulator but I
couldn't because it doesn't come with source code.

and his steering wheel and pedals were useless too..


That would surprise me. High-end peripherals with secret Windows-only
API's are a constant battle for OSS driver developers, but gaming
controllers are trivially simple devices with fairly standard interfaces.

the switch back to Windows was made, and I received a happy e-mail from
the lady, who announced that the family computer was back in business
again, having been used by nobody, including 'dumb bunny' since the
installation of Linux..


Likely story.


--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/



  #63  
Old February 23rd 07, 02:08 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,alt.os.windows-xp
Frank
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

Ha Ha, funny troll.
I can get a basic install of a Debian installed in 20 minutes
to an hour. Fedora is almost a beta issue for Red Hat.

wrote in message
oups.com...
I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems
to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability.
I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites
and finally after 3 days I have everything working.
This fiasco has left me with some doubt as to whether or not Microsoft
has the ability to maintain it's position as the defacto standard in
operating systems.

After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system
which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board.
I downloaded Fedora and attempted to install.

First problem, my SATA drives were not found.

Google time 2 hours later I found the solution which was a
Custom Install Option.

(After a few cryptic questions and a partition manager that was
convoluted and potentially very dangerous in the hands of a new user,
Fedora was installed)

Second Problem, the system would not boot after install. I got a Grub
Error 15 message.

Google Time 5 Hours Later .. Oh boy I found lots of
information on this puppy. About 5 hours later I fixed the problem
which involved copying a know working Grub configuration file from
some kind soul on the net, modifying it for my particular system and
replacing the one already installed. I did this with a Knoppix LiveCD.

So now I can boot the system, but my display image is shifted way off
the screen and too low to click on anything.

Google Time 2 hours later Ok I learned how to boot to a
command line and edit the Xorg file to fix the entries that were
incorrect for my common Nvidia card.
So now I could see my desktop, but it was at 1024x768 and what
appeared to be 16 colors.

Google Time 3 hours later I discovered that there is no
apparent way to get 32bpp, 3D acceleration, 85hz and 1280x1024 all at
the same time like I have with Windows.
Bummer.
I settled for 1280x1024 24bpp and no 3d because I don't use it and
Linux doesn't appear to have any games written for Linux anyhow.

So now I have the system up, am surfing the net and things look pretty
good.
Time to add a printer.
I go to the control panel and click on printers and peruse the list
but I don't see my Lexmark Multifunction listed?
I do see a similar model however so I decide to try this.
It installs easy enough, but when I go to print I get one line of
gibberish on the top of the page, the page ejects and the next page
does the same thing over and over and over again.
Rebooting the system does no good because the printer, like a mad
beast, starts right up again wasting my paper.
Finally I turn the damm thing off while I.....................

Google Time 4 hours I discover Print Ques, printer names and
the wonderful account called root. I finally figure out how to purge
this thing and with some trepidation I turn the printer on and
thankfully it behaves.

Oh well, I don't need to print right now anyhow so on to my network.
The problem is, I can't see my other 3 Windows Vista machines.
And now it's.........
you guessed it!

GOOGLE TIME infinite I discover something called Samba, but I
also learn that Microsoft Vista and Samba are not friends but only
after a day and a hlf of playing with a smb.conf file and reading
maybe a hundred web pages devoted to helping people get Samba working,
and this is with Windows XP which supposedly plays nicely with Samba.
I wouldn't know know, I never got Samba working.

At this point, I took the Linux CD's, all 6 of them including the
rescue CD which seems useless BTW and tossed them, violently I might
add, into the dustbin.

I have wasted far too much time with this Linux crap and I don't
intend to waste another millisecond trying to shoehorn this pile of
garbage into my systems.

I can see why Linux is free.
It doesn't work!

I can also see why it is not even making the slightest ding in
Microsoft's armour:
It, Linux, doesn't work.

I'm not sure, but if the Linux users expect people, ordinary people,
to spend their lives Googling in order to make Linux work, they are
daft.

Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly,
but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user.

Karla



  #64  
Old February 23rd 07, 02:15 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,alt.os.windows-xp
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

On Feb 22, 6:56 pm, Joe User wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:59:43 -0800, karla.bonerstein wrote:
I've spent the last 3 days


Flattie has once again been spending his life on the Internet looking for
whatever problems he can find that other people might have with Linux.
After he finds enough (or gets tired of looking), he puts them all
together into a little story about himself and what horrors he experienced
the other day when he tried to install this new OS he read about called
Linux, and then he chooses a new name for himself (for the past few
years, he has favored pretending to be female) and posts it to COLA and
half a dozen other groups.

People, he has been doing this for more than 10 years. I think it must be
the most important thing in his life. He never tires of it, and I really
don't think he ever will.

Play with him all you like, but keep in mind that you're responding to a
completely fictitious story posted by some poor schmuck who has had
nothing better to do for the past decade. The guy is disturbed.


Sorry Joe User but you have no idea what you are talking about.
I had to do a little research but I am assuming you are talking about
some uber troll that has been loose in comp.os.linux.advocacy.

I hate to burst your balloons but you've got the wrong person.
I did, in my research, however notice a trend that seems common
amongst Linux folks and that is whenever they are losing a thread, and
they are losing this one badly, they accuse some person of being a
flatfish.
I'm a little confused?
Is this like Godwin?
The reason I ask is because although I only searched a little, and I
might be totally off base on this, but I haven't seen any proof that
this flatfish really exists?
All I see are accusations without any data to confirm them.
And you've made the mistake of making a claim without any evidence to
support that claim.
This is not COLA after all.

But, like I said, you are howling up the wrong tree.
Now go back to Linux and your strange little group and be a good
soldier.
Karla.

  #65  
Old February 23rd 07, 02:18 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

Since when have 'Asteroids' and 'Battleship' been tools.. that is just a
list of executables, some of which will not be standalone, but called by
others..

Too funny..

"arachnid" wrote in message
newsan.2007.02.22.20.22.40.552282@goawayspammers .com...
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:03:19 -0800, Justin wrote:

Few X 2? So you have at least 600 apps on your machine?


How many apps I have on my machine is an entirely different question from
how many I use. Here's how many are installed on the system:

/usr/sbin 157
/usr/bin 107
/usr/sbin 210
/usr/bin 2031

Most of those are part of the default install but I discount the majority
because I only use a small portion of them.

I call BS on that one!


It's easy enough to generate a list of all the applications I use but
you'll still refuse to believe me. Ask in the Linux groups, you'll find
that around 400 applications is typical of someone who has used Linux for
several years and uses both GUI and CLI tools. And note that I'm not
saying I use each and every application every day. However, each is
likely to get used at least once over the course of several weeks.

Here we go:

abiword_2.4.5-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
abiword-common_2.4.5-0ubuntu2_all.deb
amor_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
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anjuta-common_2.0.2-2ubuntu1_all.deb
app-install-data-commercial_6.3_all.deb
arson_0.9.8beta2-4.3ubuntu1_i386.deb
artsbuilder_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
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celestia-gnome_1.3.2-3.3ubuntu1_i386.deb
ckermit_211-6_i386.deb
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cream_0.35-2_all.deb
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cvs_1%3a1.12.13-3_i386.deb
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gawk_1%3a3.1.5.dfsg-4_i386.deb
gcc-3.4-base_3.4.6-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
gcombust_0.1.55-2_i386.deb
geda_20060123-1_i386.deb
geda-doc_20060906-1_all.deb
geda-gnetlist_20060906-1_i386.deb
geda-gschem_20060906-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
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geda-symbols_20060906-1_all.deb
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gnucap_1%3a0.34-5_i386.deb
gnumeric_1.7.0-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
gnumeric-common_1.7.0-1ubuntu4_all.deb
gnuplot_4.0.0-3_all.deb
gnuplot-nox_4.0.0-3_i386.deb
gnuplot-x11_4.0.0-3_i386.deb
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groff_1.18.1.1-12_i386.deb
grokking-the-gimp_1.0-1_all.deb
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hfsplus_1.0.4-10ubuntu1_i386.deb
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libgtk1.2-common_1.2.10-18_all.deb
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liblockfile1_1.06.1ubuntu1_i386.deb
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libmailtools-perl_1.74-0.1_all.deb
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libmime-perl_5.420-0.1_all.deb
libmodplug0c2_1%3a0.7-5_i386.deb
libmysqlclient15off_5.0.24a-9_i386.deb
libnews-nntpclient-perl_0.37-6_all.deb
libnss-mdns_0.7-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
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libopenexr2c2a_1.2.2-4.3_i386.deb
libpalm-perl_1.3.0-6_all.deb
libpanel-applet2-0_2.16.1-0ubuntu4_i386.deb
libpcre3_6.4-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
libpda-pilot-perl_0.12.1-5_i386.deb
libplot2c2_2.4.1-15_i386.deb
libplplot9_5.6.1-8_i386.deb
libpoppler1_0.5.4-0ubuntu4.1_i386.deb
libpoppler1-glib_0.5.4-0ubuntu4.1_i386.deb
libpythonize0_0.4.0-3_i386.deb
libqhull5_2003.1-2_i386.deb
libruby1.8_1.8.4-5ubuntu1.2_i386.deb
libsdl-image1.2_1.2.5-2_i386.deb
libsdl-mixer1.2_1.2.6-1.1_i386.deb
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libsdl-sound1.2_1.0.1-9_i386.deb
libsdl-ttf2.0-0_2.0.8-2_i386.deb
libsmbclient_3.0.22-1ubuntu4.1_i386.deb
libsmpeg0_0.4.5+cvs20030824-1.8_i386.deb
libsocksd_1.1.18-2_i386.deb
libsoup2.2-8_2.2.96-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
libstroke0_0.5.1-5_i386.deb
libsvga1_1%3a1.4.3-23_i386.deb
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libt1-5_5.1.0-2_i386.deb
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libtimedate-perl_1.1600-5_all.deb
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libwv2-1c2_0.2.3-1_i386.deb
libxcomposite1_1%3a0.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
libxine1_1.1.2+repacked1-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
libxml-writer-perl_0.600-3_all.deb
libxvmc1_2%3a1.0.2-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
linsmith_0.99.1-1_i386.deb
lskat_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
lyx_1.4.2-4_i386.deb
lyx-common_1.4.2-4_all.deb
lyx-qt_1.4.2-4_i386.deb
lyx-xforms_1.4.2-4_i386.deb
manedit_0.6.1-2_i386.deb
minicom_2.1-10_i386.deb
mpg321_0.2.10.3_i386.deb
mtools_3.9.10.ds1-3_i386.deb
mtoolsfm_1.9-3-4.1_i386.deb
mysql-common_5.0.24a-9_all.deb
noatun_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
noatun-plugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
nrg2iso_0.4-1.1_i386.deb
ntfsprogs_1.12.1-1_i386.deb
ntfstools_1.12.1-1_all.deb
octave_1%3a2.1.73-8_all.deb
octave2.1_1%3a2.1.73-8_i386.deb
pan_0.14.2.91-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
perl-tk_1%3a804.027-5_i386.deb
pgplot5_5.2.2-6.1_i386.deb
php-doc_20061001-1_all.deb
phpdoc_20061001-1_all.deb
pilot-link_0.12.1-5_i386.deb
pilot-manager_1.107.0pre108-5_all.deb
pilot-template_1.31-6_all.deb
plotutils_2.4.1-15_i386.deb
plplot9-driver-xwin_5.6.1-8_i386.deb
plplot-tcl_5.6.1-8_i386.deb
poppler-utils_0.5.4-0ubuntu4.1_i386.deb
poster_1%3a19990428-8_i386.deb
prc-tools_2.3-1_all.deb
prc-tools-arm_2.3-1_i386.deb
prc-tools-m68k_2.3-1_i386.deb
prc-tools-utils_2.3-1_i386.deb
preview-latex-style_11.83-2_all.deb
psutils_1.17-23_i386.deb
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python2.4-dev_2.4.4~c1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
python-kde3_3.15.2+20060422-2ubuntu4_i386.deb
python-pyao_0.82-1.2_i386.deb
python-pymad_0.5.4-3.2_i386.deb
python-qt3_3.16-1.2ubuntu1_i386.deb
python-sip4_4.4.5-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
rutebook_1.0-1_all.deb
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simulpic_1%3a2005-1-28-6_i386.deb
smbclient_3.0.22-1ubuntu4.1_i386.deb
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sox_12.17.9-1_i386.deb
squid_2.6.1-3ubuntu1.2_i386.deb
squid-common_2.6.1-3ubuntu1.2_all.deb
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tetex-base_3.0-19_all.deb
tetex-bin_3.0-17ubuntu2_i386.deb
tetex-extra_3.0-19_all.deb
tetradraw_2.0.3-3_i386.deb
tex-common_0.25_all.deb
texinfo_4.8.dfsg.1-1ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
tidy_20051018-1_i386.deb
totem_2.16.2-0ubuntu3_all.deb
totem-gstreamer_2.16.2-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
totem-mozilla_2.16.2-0ubuntu3_all.deb
tuxpaint_1%3a0.9.15b-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
tuxpaint-data_1%3a0.9.15b-3ubuntu1_all.deb
tuxpaint-stamps-default_2005.11.25-1ubuntu2_all.deb
tzdata_2006p-0ubuntu6.10_all.deb
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uae-suid_0.8.22-1_i386.deb
udev_093-0ubuntu18.0edgy2_i386.deb
unrar_1%3a3.5.4-0.1_i386.deb
vcdtools_0.4-2_i386.deb
vim_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-full_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-gui-common_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_all.deb
vim-perl_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-python_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-ruby_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-runtime_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_all.deb
vim-scripts_6-3_all.deb
vim-tcl_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-vimoutliner_0.3.4-3_all.deb
vino_2.16.0-0ubuntu2.4_i386.deb
volumeid_093-0ubuntu18.0edgy2_i386.deb
wine_0.9.22-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
x10_1.06-14_i386.deb
x10-automate_1.00-8ubuntu1_all.deb
xaw3dg_1.5+E-14ubuntu1_i386.deb
xcdroast_0.98+0alpha15-7_i386.deb
xdg-utils_1.0-0ubuntu2_all.deb
xserver-xorg-core_1%3a1.1.1-0ubuntu12.1_i386.deb

These are just the package names. Many packages contain multiple
applications. KDE, for example, is a suite of about 140 applications.


--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/



  #66  
Old February 23rd 07, 02:40 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Justin
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Posts: 233
Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

Oh, I get it. What you're saying is Linux installs a bunch of resource
hogging crap of which the average person will never use. Wow, what a
wonderful way to spend HDD space!

I wish Windows would install 2500+ applications for no good reason!

I MUST COLLECT THEM ALL!!!!!!!



"arachnid" wrote in message
newsan.2007.02.22.20.22.40.552282@goawayspammers .com...
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:03:19 -0800, Justin wrote:

Few X 2? So you have at least 600 apps on your machine?


How many apps I have on my machine is an entirely different question from
how many I use. Here's how many are installed on the system:

/usr/sbin 157
/usr/bin 107
/usr/sbin 210
/usr/bin 2031

Most of those are part of the default install but I discount the majority
because I only use a small portion of them.

I call BS on that one!


It's easy enough to generate a list of all the applications I use but
you'll still refuse to believe me. Ask in the Linux groups, you'll find
that around 400 applications is typical of someone who has used Linux for
several years and uses both GUI and CLI tools. And note that I'm not
saying I use each and every application every day. However, each is
likely to get used at least once over the course of several weeks.

Here we go:

abiword_2.4.5-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
abiword-common_2.4.5-0ubuntu2_all.deb
amor_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
anjuta_2.0.2-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
anjuta-common_2.0.2-2ubuntu1_all.deb
app-install-data-commercial_6.3_all.deb
arson_0.9.8beta2-4.3ubuntu1_i386.deb
artsbuilder_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
atlantik_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
atlantikdesigner_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
atlas3-base_3.6.0-20.2_i386.deb
bchunk_1.2.0-1_i386.deb
biew_5.6.2-2_i386.deb
bind9-host_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
burn_0.4.3-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
calc_2.02f-28_all.deb
cdda2wav_4%3a2.01+01a03-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
cdrbq_1.23-1_all.deb
cdrtoaster_1.23-1_all.deb
celestia-common_1.3.2-3.3ubuntu1_all.deb
celestia-gnome_1.3.2-3.3ubuntu1_i386.deb
ckermit_211-6_i386.deb
coldsync_3.0+pre3-3_i386.deb
cpufrequtils_002-1_i386.deb
cream_0.35-2_all.deb
cue2toc_0.4-1_i386.deb
cuetools_1.3.1-1_i386.deb
cvs_1%3a1.12.13-3_i386.deb
cvs2html_1.96-1_all.deb
devhelp-common_0.12-0ubuntu4_all.deb
dnsutils_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
dosbox_0.65-1_i386.deb
dosemu_1.2.2-5ubuntu1_i386.deb
dvdauthor_0.6.11-4_i386.deb
dvdisaster_0.70-1_i386.deb
dvdisaster-doc_0.70-1_all.deb
dvdrtools_0.2.1-1_i386.deb
eagle_4.16-2_i386.deb
eagle-data_4.16-2_all.deb
emacs21_21.4a-6ubuntu2_i386.deb
emacs21-bin-common_21.4a-6ubuntu2_i386.deb
emacs21-common_21.4a-6ubuntu2_all.deb
emacsen-common_1.4.17_all.deb
enscript_1.6.4-9_i386.deb
exdbm_1.0b2-13_i386.deb
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fifteenapplet_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
gawk_1%3a3.1.5.dfsg-4_i386.deb
gcc-3.4-base_3.4.6-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
gcombust_0.1.55-2_i386.deb
geda_20060123-1_i386.deb
geda-doc_20060906-1_all.deb
geda-gnetlist_20060906-1_i386.deb
geda-gschem_20060906-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
geda-gsymcheck_20060906-1_i386.deb
geda-symbols_20060906-1_all.deb
geda-utils_20060906-1_i386.deb
gnucap_1%3a0.34-5_i386.deb
gnumeric_1.7.0-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
gnumeric-common_1.7.0-1ubuntu4_all.deb
gnuplot_4.0.0-3_all.deb
gnuplot-nox_4.0.0-3_i386.deb
gnuplot-x11_4.0.0-3_i386.deb
gpsim_0.20.14-7.3_i386.deb
gputils_0.13.3-1_i386.deb
graphmonkey_1.5-5_all.deb
groff_1.18.1.1-12_i386.deb
grokking-the-gimp_1.0-1_all.deb
gxine_0.5.7-1ubuntu6_i386.deb
hfsplus_1.0.4-10ubuntu1_i386.deb
hfsutils_3.2.6-10_i386.deb
imagemagick_7%3a6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.10ubuntu0.2_i386.deb
itcl3_3.2.1-3.1_i386.deb
itk3_3.2.1-3.1_i386.deb
iwidgets4_4.0.1-3_all.deb
kaddressbook_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kaddressbook-plugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kappfinder_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
karbon_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
kasteroids_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kate_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kate-plugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
katomic_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kbackgammon_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kbattleship_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kblackbox_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kbounce_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kchart_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
kcontrol_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kdeaddons_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kdeaddons-kfile-plugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kdeartwork_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kdeartwork-emoticons_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kdeartwork-misc_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kdeartwork-style_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kdeartwork-theme-icon_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kdeartwork-theme-window_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kdebase_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_all.deb
kdebase-bin_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kdebase-data_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_all.deb
kdebase-kio-plugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kdegames_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kdegames-card-data_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
kde-guidance_0.7.0-0ubuntu4_i386.deb
kdelibs4c2a_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
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kdewallpapers_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
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kicker_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
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kjumpingcube_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
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klines_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
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kmahjongg_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kmenuedit_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kmines_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kmoon_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
knetwalk_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
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kodo_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
koffice_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_all.deb
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kolf_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
konq-plugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
konqueror_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
konqueror-nsplugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
konquest_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
konsole_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
koshell_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
kpager_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kpat_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
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kpoker_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
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ksplash_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kspread_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
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ksysguardd_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kteatime_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
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ktip_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
ktron_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
ktuberling_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
ktux_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kugar_1%3a1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
kweather_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
kwin_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
kwin4_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
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libavahi-qt3-1_0.6.13-2ubuntu2.4_i386.deb
libbind9-0_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
libc6_2.4-1ubuntu12.3_i386.deb
libc6-i686_2.4-1ubuntu12.3_i386.deb
libconvert-binhex-perl_1.119-2_all.deb
libcpufreq0_002-1_i386.deb
libcsiro0_5.6.1-8_i386.deb
libdb4.3++c2_4.3.29-5build1_i386.deb
libdbus-qt-1-1c2_0.62.git.20060814-1_i386.deb
libdevhelp-1-0_0.12-0ubuntu4_i386.deb
libdns21_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
libdvdread3_0.9.6-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
libfinance-quote-perl_1.11-0.1_all.deb
libforms1_1.0-7_i386.deb
libg2c0_1%3a3.4.6-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
libgbf-1-0_0.1.3-2_i386.deb
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libgd2-noxpm_2.0.33-4ubuntu2_i386.deb
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libgeda20_20060906-1_i386.deb
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libgnet2.0-0_2.0.7-1_i386.deb
libgnomevfs2-0_2.16.1-0ubuntu7_i386.deb
libgnomevfs2-bin_2.16.1-0ubuntu7_i386.deb
libgnomevfs2-common_2.16.1-0ubuntu7_all.deb
libgnomevfs2-extra_2.16.1-0ubuntu7_i386.deb
libgoffice-0-3_0.3.0-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
libgoffice-0-common_0.3.0-1ubuntu1_all.deb
libgpgme11_1.1.2-2_i386.deb
libgsf-gnome-1-114_1.14.1-2ubuntu1.1_i386.deb
libgtk1.2_1.2.10-18_i386.deb
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libjpeg-progs_6b-13_i386.deb
libkcal2b_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
libkdegames1_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
libkdepim1a_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
libkleopatra1_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
libkonq4_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
libkrb53_1.4.3-9ubuntu1.1_i386.deb
libktnef1_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
liblockfile1_1.06.1ubuntu1_i386.deb
libltdl3_1.5.22-4_i386.deb
liblua50_5.0.2-6_i386.deb
liblualib50_5.0.2-6_i386.deb
liblwres9_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
libmad0_0.15.1b-2.1_i386.deb
libmailtools-perl_1.74-0.1_all.deb
libmikmod2_3.1.11-a-6ubuntu2_i386.deb
libmime-perl_5.420-0.1_all.deb
libmodplug0c2_1%3a0.7-5_i386.deb
libmysqlclient15off_5.0.24a-9_i386.deb
libnews-nntpclient-perl_0.37-6_all.deb
libnss-mdns_0.7-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
libntfs8_1.12.1-1_i386.deb
libopenexr2c2a_1.2.2-4.3_i386.deb
libpalm-perl_1.3.0-6_all.deb
libpanel-applet2-0_2.16.1-0ubuntu4_i386.deb
libpcre3_6.4-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
libpda-pilot-perl_0.12.1-5_i386.deb
libplot2c2_2.4.1-15_i386.deb
libplplot9_5.6.1-8_i386.deb
libpoppler1_0.5.4-0ubuntu4.1_i386.deb
libpoppler1-glib_0.5.4-0ubuntu4.1_i386.deb
libpythonize0_0.4.0-3_i386.deb
libqhull5_2003.1-2_i386.deb
libruby1.8_1.8.4-5ubuntu1.2_i386.deb
libsdl-image1.2_1.2.5-2_i386.deb
libsdl-mixer1.2_1.2.6-1.1_i386.deb
libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_i386.deb
libsdl-sound1.2_1.0.1-9_i386.deb
libsdl-ttf2.0-0_2.0.8-2_i386.deb
libsmbclient_3.0.22-1ubuntu4.1_i386.deb
libsmpeg0_0.4.5+cvs20030824-1.8_i386.deb
libsocksd_1.1.18-2_i386.deb
libsoup2.2-8_2.2.96-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
libstroke0_0.5.1-5_i386.deb
libsvga1_1%3a1.4.3-23_i386.deb
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libt1-5_5.1.0-2_i386.deb
libtidy-0.99-0_20051018-1_i386.deb
libtiff-tools_3.8.2-6_i386.deb
libtimedate-perl_1.1600-5_all.deb
libtotem-plparser1_2.16.2-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
libungif4g_4.1.4-2_i386.deb
libvolumeid0_093-0ubuntu18.0edgy2_i386.deb
libwv2-1c2_0.2.3-1_i386.deb
libxcomposite1_1%3a0.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
libxine1_1.1.2+repacked1-0ubuntu3.2_i386.deb
libxml-writer-perl_0.600-3_all.deb
libxvmc1_2%3a1.0.2-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
linsmith_0.99.1-1_i386.deb
lskat_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
lyx_1.4.2-4_i386.deb
lyx-common_1.4.2-4_all.deb
lyx-qt_1.4.2-4_i386.deb
lyx-xforms_1.4.2-4_i386.deb
manedit_0.6.1-2_i386.deb
minicom_2.1-10_i386.deb
mpg321_0.2.10.3_i386.deb
mtools_3.9.10.ds1-3_i386.deb
mtoolsfm_1.9-3-4.1_i386.deb
mysql-common_5.0.24a-9_all.deb
noatun_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
noatun-plugins_4%3a3.5.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
nrg2iso_0.4-1.1_i386.deb
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octave_1%3a2.1.73-8_all.deb
octave2.1_1%3a2.1.73-8_i386.deb
pan_0.14.2.91-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
perl-tk_1%3a804.027-5_i386.deb
pgplot5_5.2.2-6.1_i386.deb
php-doc_20061001-1_all.deb
phpdoc_20061001-1_all.deb
pilot-link_0.12.1-5_i386.deb
pilot-manager_1.107.0pre108-5_all.deb
pilot-template_1.31-6_all.deb
plotutils_2.4.1-15_i386.deb
plplot9-driver-xwin_5.6.1-8_i386.deb
plplot-tcl_5.6.1-8_i386.deb
poppler-utils_0.5.4-0ubuntu4.1_i386.deb
poster_1%3a19990428-8_i386.deb
prc-tools_2.3-1_all.deb
prc-tools-arm_2.3-1_i386.deb
prc-tools-m68k_2.3-1_i386.deb
prc-tools-utils_2.3-1_i386.deb
preview-latex-style_11.83-2_all.deb
psutils_1.17-23_i386.deb
pykdeextensions_0.4.0-3_i386.deb
python2.4-dev_2.4.4~c1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
python-kde3_3.15.2+20060422-2ubuntu4_i386.deb
python-pyao_0.82-1.2_i386.deb
python-pymad_0.5.4-3.2_i386.deb
python-qt3_3.16-1.2ubuntu1_i386.deb
python-sip4_4.4.5-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
rutebook_1.0-1_all.deb
samba-common_3.0.22-1ubuntu4.1_i386.deb
simulpic_1%3a2005-1-28-6_i386.deb
smbclient_3.0.22-1ubuntu4.1_i386.deb
smbfs_3.0.22-1ubuntu4.1_i386.deb
sox_12.17.9-1_i386.deb
squid_2.6.1-3ubuntu1.2_i386.deb
squid-common_2.6.1-3ubuntu1.2_all.deb
system-tools-backends_1.9.7-0ubuntu5_all.deb
tetex-base_3.0-19_all.deb
tetex-bin_3.0-17ubuntu2_i386.deb
tetex-extra_3.0-19_all.deb
tetradraw_2.0.3-3_i386.deb
tex-common_0.25_all.deb
texinfo_4.8.dfsg.1-1ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
tidy_20051018-1_i386.deb
totem_2.16.2-0ubuntu3_all.deb
totem-gstreamer_2.16.2-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
totem-mozilla_2.16.2-0ubuntu3_all.deb
tuxpaint_1%3a0.9.15b-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
tuxpaint-data_1%3a0.9.15b-3ubuntu1_all.deb
tuxpaint-stamps-default_2005.11.25-1ubuntu2_all.deb
tzdata_2006p-0ubuntu6.10_all.deb
uae_0.8.22-1_i386.deb
uae-exotic_0.8.22-1_i386.deb
uae-suid_0.8.22-1_i386.deb
udev_093-0ubuntu18.0edgy2_i386.deb
unrar_1%3a3.5.4-0.1_i386.deb
vcdtools_0.4-2_i386.deb
vim_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-full_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-gui-common_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_all.deb
vim-perl_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-python_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-ruby_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-runtime_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_all.deb
vim-scripts_6-3_all.deb
vim-tcl_1%3a7.0-035+1ubuntu5_i386.deb
vim-vimoutliner_0.3.4-3_all.deb
vino_2.16.0-0ubuntu2.4_i386.deb
volumeid_093-0ubuntu18.0edgy2_i386.deb
wine_0.9.22-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
x10_1.06-14_i386.deb
x10-automate_1.00-8ubuntu1_all.deb
xaw3dg_1.5+E-14ubuntu1_i386.deb
xcdroast_0.98+0alpha15-7_i386.deb
xdg-utils_1.0-0ubuntu2_all.deb
xserver-xorg-core_1%3a1.1.1-0ubuntu12.1_i386.deb

These are just the package names. Many packages contain multiple
applications. KDE, for example, is a suite of about 140 applications.

  #67  
Old February 23rd 07, 02:44 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Justin
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

Here's something to be said for Windows. The apps I need are not Linux
compatible. So no Linux around here!

Maybe when Linux can be taken seriously, we'll see more apps being developed
for it. But until then....it's Windows and OSX.


"NoStop" wrote in message
...
Gary wrote:

Its not how long it takes to install that counts. Its how long it takes
you to get it to work that really counts.
Vista a few hours. Linux days, months, years.

Another stupid top poster. But in any case, one can be productive with
Ubuntu even before it's installed, because you can get it on a LiveCD. :-)
Sure one can spend months and years probing all the strengths GNU/Linux
offers. Why? Because they're there and the operating system is capable of
doing so much beyond just running apps on the desktop. Alas, the same
can't
be said for any version of Windoze.

Cheers.



"Dean G." wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 22, 12:22 pm, "Brian W"
wrote:
"Alias" wrote in message

...



Funny, I installed Ubuntu in less than half an hour. Try Ubuntu.
www.ubuntu.comOrder the 6.06 CD. They send it to you free and pay the
postage.

That's still more time than I ever plan to spend installing it on my
system

So you have no OS ? I know of no recent OS that takes less than 30
minutes to install on a PC. When you consider that Linux also installs
many applications, which require a separate and also long installation
on other OS's. Thus you are saying that the fastest installing OS is
too slow for you, so you are going to use a slower one.

Not only that, but if you go with a pre-installed OS, then you are
likely going to end up re-installing the OS several times, as even the
experts who promote that OS suggest an re-install at least annually,
and perhaps more often for power users.

Abort, Retry, Fail, Reboot, Reinstall, Remit all of your money to
Redmond. Smile, you are one of those people Stalin called "useful".

Dean G.




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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc&eurl=

  #68  
Old February 23rd 07, 02:45 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,alt.os.windows-xp
Justin
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

:rollseyes:

What a lame post!



"NoStop" wrote in message
...
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:

Have you been to this forum? How can this all be? A forum full of
problems?

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/

Stupid top poster! In any case, you'll find people there asking alot of
questions about all the various software packages that are available for
Ubuntu. It's like taking 20,000 Windows support forums and rolling them
all
into one. Also, there are very many posters there who have just upgraded
their computers from Windoze to Ubuntu and still have to learn how to
overcome all the bad stuff they've learned using Windoze. For some, coming
from the Windoze world it is a bit daunting, but after a while they catch
on to the logic of GNU/Linux and it all becomes clear that this is the
real
way to operate a computer.

Cheers.



"Alias" wrote in message
...
wrote:
I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems
to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability.
I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites
and finally after 3 days I have everything working.
This fiasco has left me with some doubt as to whether or not Microsoft
has the ability to maintain it's position as the defacto standard in
operating systems.

After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system
which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board.
I downloaded Fedora and attempted to install.

First problem, my SATA drives were not found.

Google time 2 hours later I found the solution which was a
Custom Install Option.

(After a few cryptic questions and a partition manager that was
convoluted and potentially very dangerous in the hands of a new user,
Fedora was installed)

Second Problem, the system would not boot after install. I got a Grub
Error 15 message.

Google Time 5 Hours Later .. Oh boy I found lots of
information on this puppy. About 5 hours later I fixed the problem
which involved copying a know working Grub configuration file from
some kind soul on the net, modifying it for my particular system and
replacing the one already installed. I did this with a Knoppix LiveCD.

So now I can boot the system, but my display image is shifted way off
the screen and too low to click on anything.

Google Time 2 hours later Ok I learned how to boot to a
command line and edit the Xorg file to fix the entries that were
incorrect for my common Nvidia card.
So now I could see my desktop, but it was at 1024x768 and what
appeared to be 16 colors.

Google Time 3 hours later I discovered that there is no
apparent way to get 32bpp, 3D acceleration, 85hz and 1280x1024 all at
the same time like I have with Windows.
Bummer.
I settled for 1280x1024 24bpp and no 3d because I don't use it and
Linux doesn't appear to have any games written for Linux anyhow.

So now I have the system up, am surfing the net and things look pretty
good.
Time to add a printer.
I go to the control panel and click on printers and peruse the list
but I don't see my Lexmark Multifunction listed?
I do see a similar model however so I decide to try this.
It installs easy enough, but when I go to print I get one line of
gibberish on the top of the page, the page ejects and the next page
does the same thing over and over and over again.
Rebooting the system does no good because the printer, like a mad
beast, starts right up again wasting my paper.
Finally I turn the damm thing off while I.....................

Google Time 4 hours I discover Print Ques, printer names and
the wonderful account called root. I finally figure out how to purge
this thing and with some trepidation I turn the printer on and
thankfully it behaves.

Oh well, I don't need to print right now anyhow so on to my network.
The problem is, I can't see my other 3 Windows Vista machines.
And now it's.........
you guessed it!

GOOGLE TIME infinite I discover something called Samba, but I
also learn that Microsoft Vista and Samba are not friends but only
after a day and a hlf of playing with a smb.conf file and reading
maybe a hundred web pages devoted to helping people get Samba working,
and this is with Windows XP which supposedly plays nicely with Samba.
I wouldn't know know, I never got Samba working.

At this point, I took the Linux CD's, all 6 of them including the
rescue CD which seems useless BTW and tossed them, violently I might
add, into the dustbin.

I have wasted far too much time with this Linux crap and I don't
intend to waste another millisecond trying to shoehorn this pile of
garbage into my systems.

I can see why Linux is free.
It doesn't work!

I can also see why it is not even making the slightest ding in
Microsoft's armour:
It, Linux, doesn't work.

I'm not sure, but if the Linux users expect people, ordinary people,
to spend their lives Googling in order to make Linux work, they are
daft.

Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly,
but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user.

Karla


Funny, I installed Ubuntu in less than half an hour. Try Ubuntu.
www.ubuntu.com Order the 6.06 CD. They send it to you free and pay the
postage.

Alias



--
The "Wow" starts now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc&eurl=

  #69  
Old February 23rd 07, 03:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Tom Willett
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

COLA = Crap Only Linux A**holes

wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 22, 6:56 pm, Joe User wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:59:43 -0800, karla.bonerstein wrote:
I've spent the last 3 days


Flattie has once again been spending his life on the Internet looking for
whatever problems he can find that other people might have with Linux.
After he finds enough (or gets tired of looking), he puts them all
together into a little story about himself and what horrors he
experienced
the other day when he tried to install this new OS he read about called
Linux, and then he chooses a new name for himself (for the past few
years, he has favored pretending to be female) and posts it to COLA and
half a dozen other groups.

People, he has been doing this for more than 10 years. I think it must
be
the most important thing in his life. He never tires of it, and I really
don't think he ever will.

Play with him all you like, but keep in mind that you're responding to a
completely fictitious story posted by some poor schmuck who has had
nothing better to do for the past decade. The guy is disturbed.


Sorry Joe User but you have no idea what you are talking about.
I had to do a little research but I am assuming you are talking about
some uber troll that has been loose in comp.os.linux.advocacy.

I hate to burst your balloons but you've got the wrong person.
I did, in my research, however notice a trend that seems common
amongst Linux folks and that is whenever they are losing a thread, and
they are losing this one badly, they accuse some person of being a
flatfish.
I'm a little confused?
Is this like Godwin?
The reason I ask is because although I only searched a little, and I
might be totally off base on this, but I haven't seen any proof that
this flatfish really exists?
All I see are accusations without any data to confirm them.
And you've made the mistake of making a claim without any evidence to
support that claim.
This is not COLA after all.

But, like I said, you are howling up the wrong tree.
Now go back to Linux and your strange little group and be a good
soldier.
Karla.



  #70  
Old February 23rd 07, 03:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
arachnid
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Posts: 147
Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:18:27 -0500, Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User
wrote:

Since when have 'Asteroids' and 'Battleship' been tools..


First you guys complain that Linux has no games, then you complain that it
does.

Those were probably brought in by KDE. It aims to be a complete
environment with system tools, graphics tools, multimedia, office,
educational apps, and games. Altogether it's about 250 megabytes and
around 140 applications.

See, Linux even has modern state-of-the-art bloat now.

that is just a list of executables,


Linux binaries rarely have extensions. ".deb" is a packaging format.

some of which will not be standalone, but called by others..


The list I posted contains around 400 packages, some of which are
large suites like KDE containing up to 140 applications. I discounted
dependencies and unwanted applications to arrive at my original estimate
of only 200 applications that I actually use.


  #71  
Old February 23rd 07, 03:31 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
arachnid
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:40:30 -0800, Justin wrote:

Oh, I get it. What you're saying is Linux installs a bunch of resource
hogging crap of which the average person will never use. Wow, what a
wonderful way to spend HDD space!


Um, no, Linux applications don't hog anything but drive space until you
use them. They don't take up memory, they don't kill the "registry", and
they don't cause the OS to crash just by having been installed.

They don't even hog much that much drivespace. The /usr/bin directory I
listed contains 2031 programs but only requires about 180 megabytes of HD
space.

You can get a fair idea of how Linux bloat compares to Windows bloat by
looking at the installation CD's. With Ubuntu the installation CD
contains a Live filesystem plus several hundred top GUI applications (I'm
ignoring the extra 500 or so CLI applications) on a single 700M CD. With
Vista you need a DVD to hold just the OS installer.

I wish Windows would install 2500+ applications for no good reason!

I MUST COLLECT THEM ALL!!!!!!!


I doubt you'll get past 50 before Windows starts to crawl and gasp. Around
100 it'll probably go comatose.


  #72  
Old February 23rd 07, 03:41 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

On Feb 22, 9:24 pm, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
[snips]

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:32:04 +0000, Kier wrote:
That's all very nice but I have one question?


How many months did you spend researching and hunting down hardware
that would work with Linux?


Zero. I just bought a PC. Or installed on hardware I already had,
including three laptops of varying vintage, and three other PCs. And for
the majority of my Linux time I used but one distro: Mandrake/Mandriva


This is something I simply don't get. The Wintrolls constantly whine
about Linux not supporting hardware, but in actual fact, the truth is
exactly the opposite. When I drop Linux onto a box, the *last* thing I'm
concerned about is whether it will drive the video card, or the NIC, or
the sound card.


Judging by the kind of hardware you seem to use, that is no surprise.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp....c842d22?hl=en&

" This machine:

processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 6
model name : Celeron (Mendocino)
stepping : 5
cpu MHz : 434.365
Installed RAM : 96Mb

Win2K *crawls* on this thing. Meanwhile, I've got Ubuntu, using the
enlightenment desktop, running Pan and Sylpheed Claws at the moment,
and
all is good. Hmm, just realized I'm also running mysqld. Should kill
that. Funny, though, how I can be running a DB server on such a low-
end
box and not even be aware of it. ""


I'll grant, most of the stuff I buy is neither bleeding edge nor is it
gamer-level gear; it is instead desktop-working-machine type hardware,
with a few extras (a decent nVidia card instead of the onboard crud, say).


You BUY this stuff?
I see better stuff put out for the dustman on Wed and Fri.

Given that the vast majority of people buying computers are _not_ going to
be getting gamer-level gear, the question of hardware support, for most
people, is a simple non-issue.


Really?
Maybe you can explain to a friend of mine how to get Linux to work
with his 2 17 inch wide screen LCD monitors and Nvidia card with
digital and analog outs.
He plugged them into his Windows boxen and they worked fine, albeit he
had to tinker with the resolutions to get them the way he liked.

Linux?
It wouldn't even boot to a GUI.
He sat there looking at a "login" prompt wondering what he did wrong,
other than expecting Linux to work with 2 monitors.



For those wanting bleeding-edge gear and the latest gamer gear, they have
*always* had the fun of dealing with crappy drivers and the like,
regardless of OS; it usually takes a few rounds to work out the kinks. If
they're willing to suffer the hassles in one OS, counting driver issues on
another OS as a failing seems pretty silly.


So how IS ATI and Linux doing these days?

I've asked a number of people about their personal experiences with
Linux and each one said the same thing.


"Linux is fine if you pick and choose your hardware carefully and if
you happen to use a distribution that is well supported and works with
your carefully chosen hardware".


Linux is fine for most (not all, but most) hardware.


Indeed. I buy a machine at the local Mom and pop shop, naked, take it
home, plug it in and install. Nowadays I don't even bother asking whether
such-and-such video, sound, NIC, etc is on it. If I want something
unusual - a RAID 5 controller, say - I'll ask for it, but for a stock box,
I go in, drop the cash, walk off with the machine and whether it supports
Linux or not simply isn't an issue: it will. At least, I've yet to find a
box that won't.


All the mom and pop places have gone under.
All the superstores sell Vista machines or Macs.

Stray far from that tennant and Linux becomes a nightmare.


Not really.


Not in the slightest, unless, as noted earlier, you're *already* buying
gear you *expect* to have issues with, even in Windows.


Nvidia, Lexmark and Asus (the brands mentioned I believe) are name
brands that work rather well with Windows.
You can't get more mainstream than that.

How come Linux can't seem to work with them?

Oh, and BTW, 'tennant' is Dr Who, you must have mean 'tenet'.


Isn't it also French for something akin to "buggger"? As in "You little
bugger?"


Buggery?
Why are Linux users constantly bringing homosexuality into
conversations where it does not belong?

So how long did you spend doing the research?


Or did you just happen to *get lucky* ?


If it's 'luck', then I've been 'luckly' six times at least, with
deifferent laptops/PCs.


Likewise. You buy the box, you install the OS, you don't worry about it.
Where's the problem?


The problem is Linux.

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  #73  
Old February 23rd 07, 04:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

Please understand that I have nothing against Linux, only the trolls that
insist on ramming it down the throats of others..


"arachnid" wrote in message
newsan.2007.02.23.02.17.49.805149@goawayspammers .com...
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:18:27 -0500, Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User
wrote:

Since when have 'Asteroids' and 'Battleship' been tools..


First you guys complain that Linux has no games, then you complain that it
does.

Those were probably brought in by KDE. It aims to be a complete
environment with system tools, graphics tools, multimedia, office,
educational apps, and games. Altogether it's about 250 megabytes and
around 140 applications.

See, Linux even has modern state-of-the-art bloat now.

that is just a list of executables,


Linux binaries rarely have extensions. ".deb" is a packaging format.

some of which will not be standalone, but called by others..


The list I posted contains around 400 packages, some of which are
large suites like KDE containing up to 140 applications. I discounted
dependencies and unwanted applications to arrive at my original estimate
of only 200 applications that I actually use.



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  #74  
Old February 23rd 07, 04:10 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
sgopus
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

Who the blanky blank cares, post your Linux garbage somewhere else, this is a
group for Windows XP, same with Vista, get thee hence

" wrote:

On Feb 22, 9:24 pm, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
[snips]

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:32:04 +0000, Kier wrote:
That's all very nice but I have one question?


How many months did you spend researching and hunting down hardware
that would work with Linux?


Zero. I just bought a PC. Or installed on hardware I already had,
including three laptops of varying vintage, and three other PCs. And for
the majority of my Linux time I used but one distro: Mandrake/Mandriva


This is something I simply don't get. The Wintrolls constantly whine
about Linux not supporting hardware, but in actual fact, the truth is
exactly the opposite. When I drop Linux onto a box, the *last* thing I'm
concerned about is whether it will drive the video card, or the NIC, or
the sound card.


Judging by the kind of hardware you seem to use, that is no surprise.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp....c842d22?hl=en&

" This machine:

processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 6
model name : Celeron (Mendocino)
stepping : 5
cpu MHz : 434.365
Installed RAM : 96Mb

Win2K *crawls* on this thing. Meanwhile, I've got Ubuntu, using the
enlightenment desktop, running Pan and Sylpheed Claws at the moment,
and
all is good. Hmm, just realized I'm also running mysqld. Should kill
that. Funny, though, how I can be running a DB server on such a low-
end
box and not even be aware of it. ""


I'll grant, most of the stuff I buy is neither bleeding edge nor is it
gamer-level gear; it is instead desktop-working-machine type hardware,
with a few extras (a decent nVidia card instead of the onboard crud, say).


You BUY this stuff?
I see better stuff put out for the dustman on Wed and Fri.

Given that the vast majority of people buying computers are _not_ going to
be getting gamer-level gear, the question of hardware support, for most
people, is a simple non-issue.


Really?
Maybe you can explain to a friend of mine how to get Linux to work
with his 2 17 inch wide screen LCD monitors and Nvidia card with
digital and analog outs.
He plugged them into his Windows boxen and they worked fine, albeit he
had to tinker with the resolutions to get them the way he liked.

Linux?
It wouldn't even boot to a GUI.
He sat there looking at a "login" prompt wondering what he did wrong,
other than expecting Linux to work with 2 monitors.



For those wanting bleeding-edge gear and the latest gamer gear, they have
*always* had the fun of dealing with crappy drivers and the like,
regardless of OS; it usually takes a few rounds to work out the kinks. If
they're willing to suffer the hassles in one OS, counting driver issues on
another OS as a failing seems pretty silly.


So how IS ATI and Linux doing these days?

I've asked a number of people about their personal experiences with
Linux and each one said the same thing.


"Linux is fine if you pick and choose your hardware carefully and if
you happen to use a distribution that is well supported and works with
your carefully chosen hardware".


Linux is fine for most (not all, but most) hardware.


Indeed. I buy a machine at the local Mom and pop shop, naked, take it
home, plug it in and install. Nowadays I don't even bother asking whether
such-and-such video, sound, NIC, etc is on it. If I want something
unusual - a RAID 5 controller, say - I'll ask for it, but for a stock box,
I go in, drop the cash, walk off with the machine and whether it supports
Linux or not simply isn't an issue: it will. At least, I've yet to find a
box that won't.


All the mom and pop places have gone under.
All the superstores sell Vista machines or Macs.

Stray far from that tennant and Linux becomes a nightmare.


Not really.


Not in the slightest, unless, as noted earlier, you're *already* buying
gear you *expect* to have issues with, even in Windows.


Nvidia, Lexmark and Asus (the brands mentioned I believe) are name
brands that work rather well with Windows.
You can't get more mainstream than that.

How come Linux can't seem to work with them?

Oh, and BTW, 'tennant' is Dr Who, you must have mean 'tenet'.


Isn't it also French for something akin to "buggger"? As in "You little
bugger?"


Buggery?
Why are Linux users constantly bringing homosexuality into
conversations where it does not belong?

So how long did you spend doing the research?


Or did you just happen to *get lucky* ?


If it's 'luck', then I've been 'luckly' six times at least, with
deifferent laptops/PCs.


Likewise. You buy the box, you install the OS, you don't worry about it.
Where's the problem?


The problem is Linux.

--
Do not contact me at




  #75  
Old February 23rd 07, 10:15 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,alt.os.windows-xp
Linuxiac
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Default Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

Serious snippage of previous text that was meaningless to this posting.



I've asked a number of people about their personal experiences with
Linux and each one said the same thing.

"Linux is fine if you pick and choose your hardware carefully and if
you happen to use a distribution that is well supported and works with
your carefully chosen hardware".

Stray far from that tennant and Linux becomes a nightmare.

So how long did you spend doing the research?

Or did you just happen to *get lucky* ?


I guess I got lucky with my old ASUS AMD 800 Mhz with 512 PC-100 RAM, a
genius sound card and an old ATI video card. I'm tying this message with
it now.

Alias


Hey, I grabbed this curbside donation Dell Dimension 4100, (933Mhz
Pentium with 512Mb RAM), pulled out the worthless Winmodem and Creative
sound blaster, and booted http://pclinuxos.com LiveCDrom and installed
it. Took about 35 minutes. Also stuck in a dual layer Pioneer DVR-111
and a firewire card, new Crystal sound card, and it is running great.

Even gave Neal Boortz ( http://boortz.com ), the talk radio show host,
some LiveCDs of PCLinuxOS, and Simply Mepis. Linux LiveCDroms should be
in every satchel and 'tool' kit, because they work so well, give
thousands of great programs, and let the user actually 'own' the computer.

I always wipe out the prior OSes of donated computers, because that
protects me from lawsuits for using or making charitable contributions
of the proprietary leased code of Microsoft, Autodesk, Adobe, and
others. (anyone recall the Salvation Army lawsuit? BSA sued, so SA now
runs GNU/Linux!).

As for the TTF Fonts libraries, there is one available to all of the
Open Source community, that is legit and unfettered. search
http://google.com/linux for TTF Fonts.

Replacing Microsoft with a real working system, total freedom of choice,
that is upto 50X faster in most processes, performs concurrent
multi-tasking, and is immune to the "114,000 Microsoft Virus
Definitions", one new business and one new person per week, since 1997.
 




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