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StartupMonitor and Startup Control Panel
Does anyone here know if Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel
http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml and StartupMonitor http://www.mlin.net/StartupMonitor.shtml Will work with Win8? I don't have Win8 to test on, and both of the above items seem to be abandoned. -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. |
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StartupMonitor and Startup Control Panel
"CRNG" wrote in message ... Does anyone here know if Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml and StartupMonitor http://www.mlin.net/StartupMonitor.shtml Will work with Win8? I don't have Win8 to test on, and both of the above items seem to be abandoned. Startup CPL works fine with Win8 Pro 64-bit. I haven't used Startup Monitor. -- SC Tom |
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CRNG wrote:
Does anyone here know if Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml and StartupMonitor http://www.mlin.net/StartupMonitor.shtml Will work with Win8? I don't have Win8 to test on, and both of the above items seem to be abandoned. You can test the Windows 8.1 Preview. I've been using that lately for testing. I use a separate disk, so there will be no issues later when cleaning up. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...eview-download Product Key: NTTX3-RV7VB-T7X7F-WQYYY-9Y92F Language Link to download SHA-1 hash value English 64-bit (x64) Download (3.8 GB) 0xD8076E029292FBC933792D215793045031255FF6 English 32-bit (x86) Download (2.8 GB) 0x447CCD24EB3DC6CFD9A42E62A5F6418B578E3CBF Key believed to be good until Jan.15. They're pretty large downloads, and not suitable for dialup. So really, the only expense, is the temporary hard drive to hold it. The reason I don't "multi-boot" that stuff, all from the one hard drive, is avoiding any cleanup issues later. For example, I wouldn't install that over my working copy of 8.0. The downloaded images can be installed onto a USB flash key. So you don't even need to tie up a DVD with it. http://web.archive.org/web/201301061...usbdvd_dwnTool (2,721,168 byte tool for transferring ISO to a USB key) http://web.archive.org/web/201301061...B-DVD-tool.exe There are tricks to using that tool. It extracts a copy of bootsect.exe from the DVD, which is a rather dumb way to do things. They should have boiled a copy of bootsect right into the .exe. If you're creating a 64 bit USB installer key, and the machine is 32 bit, then a 64 bit version of bootsect.exe is extracted from the DVD and that won't work. Which is why the tool isn't exactly friendly. But once you get used to the quirks (tool stops before final step completed), it can be used to put preview installers onto USB sticks. No DVD required (unless you want it for recovery console later). Paul |
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CRNG wrote:
Does anyone here know if Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml and StartupMonitor http://www.mlin.net/StartupMonitor.shtml Will work with Win8? I don't have Win8 to test on, and both of the above items seem to be abandoned. Fyi... In Windows 8 - Startup items are managed via Task Manager -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 22:02:43 -0400, Paul wrote in
Re StartupMonitor and Startup Control Panel: CRNG wrote: Does anyone here know if Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml and StartupMonitor http://www.mlin.net/StartupMonitor.shtml Will work with Win8? I don't have Win8 to test on, and both of the above items seem to be abandoned. You can test the Windows 8.1 Preview. I've been using that lately for testing. I use a separate disk, so there will be no issues later when cleaning up. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...eview-download Product Key: NTTX3-RV7VB-T7X7F-WQYYY-9Y92F Thanks for the suggestions Paul (and others who replied), but unfortunately I am limited by dialup. However, I will keep your post for reference if I can find a way to download and burn to a dvd. -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. |
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CRNG wrote:
On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 22:02:43 -0400, Paul wrote in Re StartupMonitor and Startup Control Panel: CRNG wrote: Does anyone here know if Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml and StartupMonitor http://www.mlin.net/StartupMonitor.shtml Will work with Win8? I don't have Win8 to test on, and both of the above items seem to be abandoned. You can test the Windows 8.1 Preview. I've been using that lately for testing. I use a separate disk, so there will be no issues later when cleaning up. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...eview-download Product Key: NTTX3-RV7VB-T7X7F-WQYYY-9Y92F Thanks for the suggestions Paul (and others who replied), but unfortunately I am limited by dialup. However, I will keep your post for reference if I can find a way to download and burn to a dvd. Public library. Sessions are available for one hour. Find out what kind of connection speed they have. Tell the librarian what your plan is, so he or she can advise. I think my library machine had a USB port on it. The machine setup is pretty restrictive, so it's not like an extension of your own machine. Still, when your ISP fouls up, it's an alternative. My library has about 30 machines in one room, and the room is fully booked. I used the public library machine, to fill out a form to apply for Freenet dialup service :-) I couldn't go to the Freenet offices directly - they made me drive to the library and use a library machine to fill out a form. I've also used a public library machine, to print out hardware rebate forms, back when I was too cheap to buy an inkjet. The library has a reasonable, cost recovery price per page, for printing. ******* Another possibility (slim one), is the library already has some of these files stored or cached locally. A USB key is all you need, formatted NTFS for large file handling. I don't know if I'd trust the optical drives on a library machine, as they've been through hell and back. Your own USB key, is faster. Paul |
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Paul wrote:
CRNG wrote: On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 22:02:43 -0400, Paul wrote in Re StartupMonitor and Startup Control Panel: CRNG wrote: Does anyone here know if Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml and StartupMonitor http://www.mlin.net/StartupMonitor.shtml Will work with Win8? I don't have Win8 to test on, and both of the above items seem to be abandoned. You can test the Windows 8.1 Preview. I've been using that lately for testing. I use a separate disk, so there will be no issues later when cleaning up. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...eview-download Product Key: NTTX3-RV7VB-T7X7F-WQYYY-9Y92F Thanks for the suggestions Paul (and others who replied), but unfortunately I am limited by dialup. However, I will keep your post for reference if I can find a way to download and burn to a dvd. Public library. Sessions are available for one hour. Find out what kind of connection speed they have. Tell the librarian what your plan is, so he or she can advise. I think my library machine had a USB port on it. The machine setup is pretty restrictive, so it's not like an extension of your own machine. Still, when your ISP fouls up, it's an alternative. My library has about 30 machines in one room, and the room is fully booked. I used the public library machine, to fill out a form to apply for Freenet dialup service :-) I couldn't go to the Freenet offices directly - they made me drive to the library and use a library machine to fill out a form. I've also used a public library machine, to print out hardware rebate forms, back when I was too cheap to buy an inkjet. The library has a reasonable, cost recovery price per page, for printing. ******* Another possibility (slim one), is the library already has some of these files stored or cached locally. A USB key is all you need, formatted NTFS for large file handling. I don't know if I'd trust the optical drives on a library machine, as they've been through hell and back. Your own USB key, is faster. Paul I once downloaded some heavy stuff in a library and uploaded it to my web space. On other occasions I've emailed things to myself. Ed |
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On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 09:56:20 -0400, Paul wrote in
Re StartupMonitor and Startup Control Panel: Public library. That's a good idea and it might be possible. I'll have to check with my library. They are very paranoid about people putting anything (blank DVD, USB stick) into their computers. Let's assume that I do manage to d/l the .iso image and burn it to a DVD. How would I install it onto a secondary hard drive (Drive-1, not Drive-0). So that it does not replace or interfere in any way with my WinXP? Are there any instructions out there that describe how to do that? Thanks. -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. |
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CRNG wrote:
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 09:56:20 -0400, Paul wrote in Re StartupMonitor and Startup Control Panel: Public library. That's a good idea and it might be possible. I'll have to check with my library. They are very paranoid about people putting anything (blank DVD, USB stick) into their computers. Let's assume that I do manage to d/l the .iso image and burn it to a DVD. How would I install it onto a secondary hard drive (Drive-1, not Drive-0). So that it does not replace or interfere in any way with my WinXP? Are there any instructions out there that describe how to do that? Thanks. Is this two drives on IDE ? Or a couple SATA drives ? SATA drives are normally directly connected, without needing a master/slave type jumper. SATA has the advantage of not needing a lot of "jumper roulette". With IDE, you need to verify the jumper settings. On pre-built computers, they might use cable select for both drives (and an 80 wire cable). A home brewer might be using Master jumper on one and Slave jumper on the other, in a dual drive config. To run a single drive, switch the drive to Master (or Cable Select) and connect the drive to the end connector on the IDE cable. That's how you run a single drive, until the install is finished. In terms of fill order, you fill the end connector of IDE, first. The middle connector is only used, if a drive is already connected to the end spot. I generally install with *only* the target hard drive connected, for safety reasons. It avoids having to "say you're sorry" later. Like if you're helping a family member, and you wipe out their setup :-) Once the OS is installed on the second drive, I use F8 BIOS popup boot menu, to select which drive I want to boot from. Different computers will use a different key for this function (F8/F11/F12). While you can permanently set the boot order in the BIOS setup, that's too much work. F8 does what I need. If your computer is so old, it doesn't have popup boot at the BIOS level, it's also so old that a modern OS would be a waste of time. I only have two computers here now, that can run Windows 8, and one of them needs a new video card before it can be a candidate. ******* Setting up a USB key, is a pain the first few times. A benefit, is a slightly faster install. But the DVD is also an attractive option, as usually you can manage to get that right the first time. I have a stack of Linux distros here, so I got plenty of practice doing it that way. Personally, I would prefer to burn the ISO at home, because my burner is faster than the library one, and my combo of media and burner is a known quantity (already dialed in and burns are known good). I wouldn't want to "practice" at the library, with a stack of blanks until I get it right. YMMV. It all depends on how "hobbled" the library machines are. The software they run, is a tiny bit restrictive. I can't remember if they had epoxy poured in the USB connectors or not. When I was printing off my rebate forms, I took a CD with me, knowing the box prominently featured an optical drive. So that was "lowest risk of me having to drive home again". I don't go to the library all that often. Each time I go, I have to fill out another card, because the previous one expired. And on our system, you need a card before you can use a computer. It's a bureaucrats idea of heaven. To their credit though, they keep their pool of computers filled, so none of them go to waste. The librarian has no time to do a "librarian's job". The place has become like a "computer help desk". Virtually every question involves a computer. Paul |
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On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 17:33:14 -0400, Paul wrote in
Re StartupMonitor and Startup Control Panel: Is this two drives on IDE ? These are two IDE drive; but the install procedure question is now moot. A friend of mine who lives in the city (I'm in a very rural area) was kind enough to downloaded the 8.1 preview and burned it to a DVD for me. When I tried to run it on my WinXPpro desktop (by double clicking on setup.exe) I got the following two errors: 1) The procedure entry point _CxxFrameHandler3 could not be located in the dynamic link library msvcrt.dll. 2) The file autorun.dll could not be loaded or is corrupt. Setup cannot continue. Error code is [0x7F] The same occured on different machine wint WinXPpro, so I think I skip the preview test. My motivation for the original question StartupMonitor and Startup Control Panel was just curiosity. I have no plans to upgrade past WinXPpro and was just wondering what I would encounter when I eventually need a new computer. Hopefully that won't be for a while; and if I'm lucky it won't be until at least Win9.x. Thanks for your help. -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. |
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