win8 & winRT

I use WIN8 on a desktop, my wife has WIN RT on a tablet. I send her an
email. She sees no pictures only square boxes with red crosses in the
corner. How can she get a WLM icon on her desktop to use WLM like i do and
not as an app? Will that make a difference?

housetrained wrote:
I use WIN8 on a desktop, my wife has WIN RT on a tablet. I send her an
email. She sees no pictures only square boxes with red crosses in the
corner. How can she get a WLM icon on her desktop to use WLM like i do
and not as an app? Will that make a difference?





http://www.maximumpc.com/article/new...dows_81_update

"Adding to the value proposition of owning a Windows RT slate and in
an effort to boost demand, Microsoft announced that Outlook 2013 RT
will be available on such devices as part of the free Windows 8.1
update that's coming later this year."

I picked that article, because it had email with a picture in it :-)

Other examples of pictures of Windows RT, I couldn't see any
images in the emails. It's really hard to tell whether
the images here were attachments or not.

http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u69/o...ows_tablet.jpg

Now, another question would be, how will Windows 8.1 be delivered
to RT owners ?

Paul

"Paul" wrote in message ...

housetrained wrote:
I use WIN8 on a desktop, my wife has WIN RT on a tablet. I send her an
email. She sees no pictures only square boxes with red crosses in the
corner. How can she get a WLM icon on her desktop to use WLM like i do
and not as an app? Will that make a difference?





http://www.maximumpc.com/article/new...dows_81_update

"Adding to the value proposition of owning a Windows RT slate and in
an effort to boost demand, Microsoft announced that Outlook 2013 RT
will be available on such devices as part of the free Windows 8.1
update that's coming later this year."

I picked that article, because it had email with a picture in it :-)

Other examples of pictures of Windows RT, I couldn't see any
images in the emails. It's really hard to tell whether
the images here were attachments or not.

http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u69/o...ows_tablet.jpg

Now, another question would be, how will Windows 8.1 be delivered
to RT owners ?

Paul
Thanks for that but i never use outlook, never have. we use WLM on our
desktop & laptop computers which allows less than full screen and has the
ability to save pictures onto the desktop.
--
housetrained

housetrained wrote:

I use WIN8 on a desktop, my wife has WIN RT on a tablet. I send her an
email. She sees no pictures only square boxes with red crosses in the
corner. How can she get a WLM icon on her desktop to use WLM like i do and
not as an app? Will that make a difference?



Do you actually attach the pictures to your e-mail or do you send links
to them?

If you attach the pics to your e-mails (that is, they are actually sent
WITH your e-mail), are they filetypes for which you wife had codecs to
decode them? You never mentioned what TYPE of pics you are attaching.

If you are inserting links in your e-mails to your pictures then the
pictures are NOT included in your e-mails. If they are local links then
only you would ever be able to link to them. If you uploaded the files
for the pics and linked to them, does your wife have access to that
online file storage location? Since these would be EXTERNALLY linked
images, and to prevent tracking by web beacons, most e-mail clients will
block external content. Your wife should have an option to see the
externally linked content *if* she wants to download it (and possibly
have her tracked as having an active account and retrieving that
content).

VanguardLH wrote:
housetrained wrote:

I use WIN8 on a desktop, my wife has WIN RT on a tablet. I send her an
email. She sees no pictures only square boxes with red crosses in the
corner. How can she get a WLM icon on her desktop to use WLM like i do and
not as an app? Will that make a difference?



Do you actually attach the pictures to your e-mail or do you send links
to them?

If you attach the pics to your e-mails (that is, they are actually sent
WITH your e-mail), are they filetypes for which you wife had codecs to
decode them? You never mentioned what TYPE of pics you are attaching.

If you are inserting links in your e-mails to your pictures then the
pictures are NOT included in your e-mails. If they are local links then
only you would ever be able to link to them. If you uploaded the files
for the pics and linked to them, does your wife have access to that
online file storage location? Since these would be EXTERNALLY linked
images, and to prevent tracking by web beacons, most e-mail clients will
block external content. Your wife should have an option to see the
externally linked content *if* she wants to download it (and possibly
have her tracked as having an active account and retrieving that
content).

Doesn't WLM store the images in the cloud ?

I thought one of the disadvantages of WLM, was the images
don't actually travel with the email message. A recipient
opens the message, the computer goes out on the Internet
and fetches the appropriate images from Skydrive or equivalent
(a Microsoft cloud). Even if your image starts life on your
local hard drive, when you send the email the image is
stored on the cloud, and isn't forwarded with the message.

There is supposed to be some way to defeat that, like, there's
a difference between dropping an image into the body of a message,
and "attaching" the image as an attachment to the message. Perhaps
one offers the chance of keeping the image with the message and
avoiding the "cloud details".

Paul

"Paul" wrote in message ...

VanguardLH wrote:
housetrained wrote:

I use WIN8 on a desktop, my wife has WIN RT on a tablet. I send her an
email. She sees no pictures only square boxes with red crosses in the
corner. How can she get a WLM icon on her desktop to use WLM like i do
and not as an app? Will that make a difference?



Do you actually attach the pictures to your e-mail or do you send links
to them? If you attach the pics to your e-mails (that is, they are
actually sent
WITH your e-mail), are they filetypes for which you wife had codecs to
decode them? You never mentioned what TYPE of pics you are attaching.

If you are inserting links in your e-mails to your pictures then the
pictures are NOT included in your e-mails. If they are local links then
only you would ever be able to link to them. If you uploaded the files
for the pics and linked to them, does your wife have access to that
online file storage location? Since these would be EXTERNALLY linked
images, and to prevent tracking by web beacons, most e-mail clients will
block external content. Your wife should have an option to see the
externally linked content *if* she wants to download it (and possibly
have her tracked as having an active account and retrieving that
content).

Doesn't WLM store the images in the cloud ?

I thought one of the disadvantages of WLM, was the images
don't actually travel with the email message. A recipient
opens the message, the computer goes out on the Internet
and fetches the appropriate images from Skydrive or equivalent
(a Microsoft cloud). Even if your image starts life on your
local hard drive, when you send the email the image is
stored on the cloud, and isn't forwarded with the message.

There is supposed to be some way to defeat that, like, there's
a difference between dropping an image into the body of a message,
and "attaching" the image as an attachment to the message. Perhaps
one offers the chance of keeping the image with the message and
avoiding the "cloud details".

Paul
I always drag the pics into the body and send. always jpg's never use the
cloud or anything like it.
-
housetrained

housetrained wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message ...

VanguardLH wrote:
housetrained wrote:

I use WIN8 on a desktop, my wife has WIN RT on a tablet. I send her
an email. She sees no pictures only square boxes with red crosses in
the corner. How can she get a WLM icon on her desktop to use WLM
like i do and not as an app? Will that make a difference?



Do you actually attach the pictures to your e-mail or do you send links
to them? If you attach the pics to your e-mails (that is, they are
actually sent
WITH your e-mail), are they filetypes for which you wife had codecs to
decode them? You never mentioned what TYPE of pics you are attaching.

If you are inserting links in your e-mails to your pictures then the
pictures are NOT included in your e-mails. If they are local links then
only you would ever be able to link to them. If you uploaded the files
for the pics and linked to them, does your wife have access to that
online file storage location? Since these would be EXTERNALLY linked
images, and to prevent tracking by web beacons, most e-mail clients will
block external content. Your wife should have an option to see the
externally linked content *if* she wants to download it (and possibly
have her tracked as having an active account and retrieving that
content).

Doesn't WLM store the images in the cloud ?

I thought one of the disadvantages of WLM, was the images
don't actually travel with the email message. A recipient
opens the message, the computer goes out on the Internet
and fetches the appropriate images from Skydrive or equivalent
(a Microsoft cloud). Even if your image starts life on your
local hard drive, when you send the email the image is
stored on the cloud, and isn't forwarded with the message.

There is supposed to be some way to defeat that, like, there's
a difference between dropping an image into the body of a message,
and "attaching" the image as an attachment to the message. Perhaps
one offers the chance of keeping the image with the message and
avoiding the "cloud details".

Paul
I always drag the pics into the body and send. always jpg's never use
the cloud or anything like it.
-
housetrained


But a Microsoft can do this.
Microsoft Email
Server - strip off
images, send message
with bulky image replaced
with link to Skydrive

| |
User - writes message ----- Send -----+ +---- Receive ------ User gets message
- includes pictures Image fetched from
http://skydrive.com/123.jpg
--- fetch image --- Message now
completely rendered

A failure to render an image could be because:

1) Image was never sent in the first place.
A problem with the sending email tool.
Easy to debug, with a third recipient on a non-Microsoft
email server.
2) Image replaced by link to Skydrive or equivalent,
and client doesn't comprehend what to do. (Like
my 13 year old email tool that doesn't support HTML.)
3) Recipient email tool lacks JPG renderer.
4) Recipient email tool preferences, state to not
load images (which are now "links"), unless
instructed to do so by the user. The image received
could be resized, or otherwise adulterated (converted
from BMP to JPG), without permission.

Using a packet sniffer on the Sending and Receiving
ends, would show how it works. This only works
for unencrypted transmission. And for any config that
is broken, it's most likely to also be encrypted.

I don't know all the mechanics involved. I'm providing
the above ideas, to show how a "modern" web-mail style of
email setup, can pervert message transmission. And how
extra holes are opened up, to prevent it from working right.

My "real" email address and provider, use POP3, and
with that old-fashioned setup, if I send a 10MB email
message, you receive a 10MB email message on the
receiving end (if everyone is connected via POP3).
And then, only (3) stands in your way.

If my (POP3 sent) message is forwarded to a Microsoft server,
they can still change the message, and leave my image attachments
on the email server. If the recipient uses Microsoft, there's room
for modifications on that end. The server can do the messing around,
something we would have frowned on not that many years ago
(interference with payload verboten). With the new Internet,
interfering with the payload, doing "man in the middle"
stuff, is a form of standard practice. Why they would want
to collect all your images, is beyond me. Especially when you
watermarked them with a steganography tool. (Steganography
could hide "Copyright 2013 Housetrained" or could hide any
number of other things. A good watermark method, survives
image resizing. Watermarks are used by professional image
companies, to protect the products they sell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_watermark

HTH,
Paul

I don't use WLM. I'm sure, like many e-mail clients written in the last
decade, or more, that it has a feature to block external content, like
images that are sometimes used as web beacons. When you receive an
e-mail with external content, it is blocked from the rendered version of
the document unless afterward you choose to unblock the blocked content.

WLM might integrate with Skydrive but remember that the image up there
is on someone else's account, not yours as the recipient. So I would
assume (or hope) WLM would still use its safety feature of blocking
external content in a received e-mail. Just because there's a link to a
Skydrive account doesn't mean you want it automatically downloaded when
you receive an e-mail with a link to there.

When the wife gets the e-mail with the image, have her check if there is
an infobar asking if she wants to see the external content. If so, she
can click on that to have the external content downloaded and merged
into the received e-mail. Rather than have to do this each time for a
trusted sender, the safety options in WLM should allow her to allow
external content from trusted senders (i.e., those in her contacts list
and/or in the Safe Senders whitelist).

Another possibility is that WLM is configured to not download messages
that exceed some maximum threshold in size. That is, not retrieve
e-mails that exceed, say, 10MB in size. The headers will get downloaded
but not the body (wherein would lie an attached image). The recipient
might still be using slow dial-up connections and not want to bother
downloading by default entire messages that are larger than some max
size and prefer to decide for those huge messages if they want to
download them or not.

This isn't an issue with Windows 8, the topic of this newsgroup. For
help focused on WLM, that has its own newsgroup at:

microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

There looks to be a blend of 2 questions in the OP. One was to ask
about the recipient seeing images supposedly attached to an e-mail (and
remain attached through delivery). Then there is the question of "to
use WLM like i do and not as an app" which I'm not sure what he is
asking. Maybe he is asking about web apps (written in Javascript).
Does WLM even come as a [web] app written in HTML and Javascript?

Maybe what his wife is using is the limited (only does IMAP, not POP)
Mail app that comes in Windows 8 rather than using WLM (Windows Live
Mail) that she would have to download and install.

On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 17:09:37 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Then there is the question of "to
use WLM like i do and not as an app" which I'm not sure what he is
asking. Maybe he is asking about web apps (written in Javascript).
Does WLM even come as a [web] app written in HTML and Javascript?

I guessed that he meant that in RT, WLM is an con that when touched
brings up a full-screen cell-phone or tablet app, rather than a windowed
program such as we are used to in desktop environments.

Not sure I guessed right, but it seems to make sense.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:55:51 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

an con

I meant "an icon" but the spell checker couldn't care less :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 16:04:38 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:55:51 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

an con

I meant "an icon" but the spell checker couldn't care less :-)

Do we really want software that "cares"? :-)
Along with caring, we'll probably get attitudes.

I can picture my GPS saying, "I'm done with all of this recalculating. You
figure it out."

"housetrained" wrote in message ...

I use WIN8 on a desktop, my wife has WIN RT on a tablet. I send her an
email. She sees no pictures only square boxes with red crosses in the
corner. How can she get a WLM icon on her desktop to use WLM like i do and
not as an app? Will that make a difference


You can't (get the WLM icon)
No, it won't make a difference

WLM is a desktop email client and included in Windows Essentials 2012.
- can be installed on Windows 7 editions and Windows 8 editions (Windows 8,
Windows 8 Pro, Windows 8 Surface)
- cannot be installed on Windows RT (RT only supports MSFT Store apps and
third party apps included by the pc manufacturer)

Thus you are in the correct newsgroup...if the problem is occurring on
Windows 8 RT

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

"VanguardLH" wrote in message ...

This isn't an issue with Windows 8, the topic of this newsgroup. For
help focused on WLM, that has its own newsgroup at:
microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

Actually the issue is Windows 8 (not WLM)
- Windows Live Mail doesn't install on Windows 8 RT

i.e. the problem would be central to:
- Windows 8
- Windows 8 mail app (Windows Mail)
- ISP or web client receiving the email (using Active Exchange Sync or IMAP)


--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

"Paul" wrote in message ...

Now, another question would be, how will Windows 8.1 be delivered
to RT owners ?


Notification via Windows Update (notify only, not download and/or install)
update available in MSFT Store
To obtain
- sign on Store with a MSFT account, download and install from the Store

--
.....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

"Paul" wrote in message ...
Doesn't WLM store the images in the cloud ?

WLM is capable of multiple approaches
- Inserts, attaches pictures to emails when sending traditional message via
Pop3, IMAP, or Http
- Photo email (uploads images to the signed on MSFT account SkyDrive, then
sends a link to the recipient to view in the cloud) ....the sender has the
option to require the recipient to use or not use a MSFT account to view
them.


--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps