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New laptop w/windows 8
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:23:50 -0500, Cy Burnot wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote on 2/23/2015 5:37 PM: I had an adventure with that word when the DirecTV installer came. He told me the channel and volume were toggles, so I tried to press them in so as to change their state (which didn't make sense, since both deal with a series of values!). And he was wrong. Those are called, believe it or not, rocker switches!!! ;-) Note that I said: "It turned out he meant that you rock them up or down" Actually, some people call regular light switches toggle switches, although my mental picture is more like the metal bat lever switch. http://tinyurl.com/n5lo4y8 (Home Depot) http://tinyurl.com/k5gbn83 (Radio Shack) -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:37:17 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:05:59 -0500, Big_Al wrote: What does Toggle it mean? Toggle, in the case of a check box or radio box, change the state it was in. If it's on turn it off, if it's off turn it on. To switch between one of two states. In your case the auto login is not turned on. I don't care or know if that is with or without the check box checked. In your case the feature is off, so changing the state of that checkbox will change the state of your autologin. If it's currently off, it will turn it on. SO TOGGLE IT to the other state it's currently in. I had an adventure with that word when the DirecTV installer came. He told me the channel and volume were toggles, so I tried to press them in so as to change their state (which didn't make sense, since both deal with a series of values!). It turned out he meant that you rock them up or down, not push them in. He thought I was pretty dumb even after I told him what toggle means to me (same as you wrote above). BTW, both switches are quite small and don't have long bat handles, so it's not obvious at a glance that they rock rather than press in. Not to mention that what I did at first actually had an effect, but it wasn't consistent - i.e., sometimes volume up, sometimes volume down, and of course the same for the channel button. This reminds me of the old days when the Rural Electrification Administration installed electric power lines in the area where our ranch was located. Our house had been set up with a wind charger and a battery system. The ceiling lights had pull chains on them, but when our house was re-wired for 110 volt REA power they put "Toggle Switches" on the walls by the doors and got rid of all those pull chain light fixtures. Long time ago!!! Gordon |
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""...winston‫"" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote: "Paul" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote: I just bought a new laptop with W 8 and have a few questions. How do I get rid of having to constantly put in a password to use it? It's frigging annoying as hell. The other question is how do I hack in WindowsMail like I did in W 7? WindowsMail works great in W 7 so I moved the folder to W 8 but it wont open. How can I get it to open? Please don't suggest other mail programs as I've tried most of the years and can't stand them. Thanks. You can use your search engine, like this "windows mail" site:sevenforums.com "windows mail" site:eightforums.com and get a solution for each OS. The second article mentions a DLL that has to be moved and registered so the OS knows it is there. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html On the first article, there is a download, but you can just as easily open the ZIP with 7-ZIP, take note of what files they're using, and copy over your Vista ones. In the first article, there is a .reg file. It may look like loads of "hex", but in fact those are text strings. The text strings use wide 16 bit characters. For English participants, the second byte of a pair is usually 0x00. The net result is, it looks like hex, when on a previous OS without wide character support, you'd be looking at an easy to read %path% type thing. So don't be freaked out by the hex look of the .reg file. It can be translated to something readable, with a moderate amount of effort. The contents aren't totally mysterious. (There are some things that are pure hex in Windows, but these aren't examples of that.) It's the inability of Microsoft to create a decent representation, that makes us go through this hell (of translation). At some point in the past, one of these USENET groups has had a posting on installing WM, but since there is no archive on Google, it's pretty hard to search what has already been posted here, when you need an answer. New groups added to alt.*, are not automatically added at Google headquarters. Have fun, Paul Thanks Paul. There seems to be several ways to do it and I'll look into all. The biggest problem is deleting the WindowsMail from W 8 that it came with. It wont let me delete the copy it came with. Is there a way to get past that Trusted Installer BS? I have Unlocker but it wont work on W 8 64 bit. Any suggestions to get around this problem? On Win8 the mail client is an app. Uninstall it via the Modern UI. - rt click the Mail app icon, scroll and select 'Uninstall' Note: doing so will also remove all other apps that are packaged with the Win8x mail client. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps No working mail client came with W-8, only a crippled copy of WindowsMail. I got rid of the crippled WindowsMail on W-8 and installed a copy from Vista of WindowsMail... but there's still the problem of MSOE.dll not being able to be used. How do I get W-8 to see and load that dll so I can use WM on W-8? I get this error: WindowsMail could not be started because MSOE.dll could not be loaded. |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 18:43:33 -0600, Gordon wrote:
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:37:17 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:05:59 -0500, Big_Al wrote: What does Toggle it mean? Toggle, in the case of a check box or radio box, change the state it was in. If it's on turn it off, if it's off turn it on. To switch between one of two states. In your case the auto login is not turned on. I don't care or know if that is with or without the check box checked. In your case the feature is off, so changing the state of that checkbox will change the state of your autologin. If it's currently off, it will turn it on. SO TOGGLE IT to the other state it's currently in. I had an adventure with that word when the DirecTV installer came. He told me the channel and volume were toggles, so I tried to press them in so as to change their state (which didn't make sense, since both deal with a series of values!). It turned out he meant that you rock them up or down, not push them in. He thought I was pretty dumb even after I told him what toggle means to me (same as you wrote above). BTW, both switches are quite small and don't have long bat handles, so it's not obvious at a glance that they rock rather than press in. Not to mention that what I did at first actually had an effect, but it wasn't consistent - i.e., sometimes volume up, sometimes volume down, and of course the same for the channel button. This reminds me of the old days when the Rural Electrification Administration installed electric power lines in the area where our ranch was located. Our house had been set up with a wind charger and a battery system. The ceiling lights had pull chains on them, but when our house was re-wired for 110 volt REA power they put "Toggle Switches" on the walls by the doors and got rid of all those pull chain light fixtures. Long time ago!!! Gordon Strings and pushbutton switches - those were the days. From Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/o6qtr42 Oddly, both buttons have mother-of-pearl inlays. The off button should be black. One of my favorite things from antiquity were the things you screwed into the socket that had a socket and two outlets. And the added socket had its own string switch. From Home Depot: http://tinyurl.com/q3jlukv -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:37:22 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: Actually, some people call regular light switches toggle switches, Not me. As far as I'm concerned, a toggle switch is one that if you do the same thing to it each time, it reverses the setting. So a button that if you pressed it would turn the lights on, and if you pressed it again would turn them off, would be a toggle switch. A regular light switch has two different positions, one for on and one for off, and that's the opposite of a toggle switch. I'm sure you know that. I'm saying it for anyone here who doesn't know it. |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:08:58 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:37:22 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: Actually, some people call regular light switches toggle switches, Not me. As far as I'm concerned, a toggle switch is one that if you do the same thing to it each time, it reverses the setting. So a button that if you pressed it would turn the lights on, and if you pressed it again would turn them off, would be a toggle switch. A regular light switch has two different positions, one for on and one for off, and that's the opposite of a toggle switch. I'm sure you know that. I'm saying it for anyone here who doesn't know it. Did you look at my links? Yes, I'm aware you said "Not me" :-) But what do you call the switches I pointed to? When you go into Radio Shack or Home Depot, what do you ask for? -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:08:58 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:37:22 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: Actually, some people call regular light switches toggle switches, Not me. As far as I'm concerned, a toggle switch is one that if you do the same thing to it each time, it reverses the setting. So a button that if you pressed it would turn the lights on, and if you pressed it again would turn them off, would be a toggle switch. I believe that's called a pushbutton switch. It's most definitely not a toggle switch since your description precludes a toggle. A regular light switch has two different positions, one for on and one for off, and that's the opposite of a toggle switch. Actually, that's a common example of a toggle switch. The exposed lever allows you to toggle the switch to either of two positions. I'm sure you know that. I'm saying it for anyone here who doesn't know it. ??? Check out Digikey or Google images for examples. http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en - scroll down to Switches https://www.google.com/search?q=toggle+switch |
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R.H. Breener wrote:
""...winston‫"" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote: "Paul" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote: I just bought a new laptop with W 8 and have a few questions. How do I get rid of having to constantly put in a password to use it? It's frigging annoying as hell. The other question is how do I hack in WindowsMail like I did in W 7? WindowsMail works great in W 7 so I moved the folder to W 8 but it wont open. How can I get it to open? Please don't suggest other mail programs as I've tried most of the years and can't stand them. Thanks. You can use your search engine, like this "windows mail" site:sevenforums.com "windows mail" site:eightforums.com and get a solution for each OS. The second article mentions a DLL that has to be moved and registered so the OS knows it is there. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html On the first article, there is a download, but you can just as easily open the ZIP with 7-ZIP, take note of what files they're using, and copy over your Vista ones. In the first article, there is a .reg file. It may look like loads of "hex", but in fact those are text strings. The text strings use wide 16 bit characters. For English participants, the second byte of a pair is usually 0x00. The net result is, it looks like hex, when on a previous OS without wide character support, you'd be looking at an easy to read %path% type thing. So don't be freaked out by the hex look of the .reg file. It can be translated to something readable, with a moderate amount of effort. The contents aren't totally mysterious. (There are some things that are pure hex in Windows, but these aren't examples of that.) It's the inability of Microsoft to create a decent representation, that makes us go through this hell (of translation). At some point in the past, one of these USENET groups has had a posting on installing WM, but since there is no archive on Google, it's pretty hard to search what has already been posted here, when you need an answer. New groups added to alt.*, are not automatically added at Google headquarters. Have fun, Paul Thanks Paul. There seems to be several ways to do it and I'll look into all. The biggest problem is deleting the WindowsMail from W 8 that it came with. It wont let me delete the copy it came with. Is there a way to get past that Trusted Installer BS? I have Unlocker but it wont work on W 8 64 bit. Any suggestions to get around this problem? On Win8 the mail client is an app. Uninstall it via the Modern UI. - rt click the Mail app icon, scroll and select 'Uninstall' Note: doing so will also remove all other apps that are packaged with the Win8x mail client. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps No working mail client came with W-8, only a crippled copy of WindowsMail. I got rid of the crippled WindowsMail on W-8 and installed a copy from Vista of WindowsMail... but there's still the problem of MSOE.dll not being able to be used. How do I get W-8 to see and load that dll so I can use WM on W-8? I get this error: WindowsMail could not be started because MSOE.dll could not be loaded. See post #10 here. It was last edited two weeks ago, to include a Windows 10 Preview picture of WM from Vista running in Win10 TP. http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html The problem for a person like yourself, is most all of the threads I've seen so far, are not using tech writer techniques to make the procedure clear. There is also some disagreement on the best way to do it, with respect to the msidcrl30.dll file. While it can be placed in System32, if the program would accept it, it would be easier to place it in the Winmail folder, winmail.exe -- version consistent with 32 bit or 64 bit OS msoe??.dll -- version consistent with 32 bit or 64 bit OS msidcrl30.dll --- and so on There are two Program Files folders, one for 32 bit programs, one for 64 bit programs. This "recipe" is going to work better, if your "donor" OS (the one where you have the working WLMail) matches the bitness of the OS on the target machine. It would be a poor fit, to go from a 32 bit Vista to a 64 bit Windows 8, and expect an entirely smooth transition. You need to stick the files in a different Program Files folder, as well as use files which are appropriate for that folder (32 or 64 bit versions). AFAIK, if you stick msidcrl30.dll in the winmail folder, that isn't likely to need regsvr32. The other part of this recipe I don't understand, is the two places you're working (some Program Files x86 work, and alternately if you use the method, the System32). Those are owned by TrustedInstaller. While you could use a tool like TakeOwn right-click menu, to obtain ownership and jam in your stuff, that's not the best thing to do. And I'd surprised the people espousing this recipe, haven't run into permission problems because neither they or the administrator account, own the folders. So it should be tough, to jam a folder in there. (TrustedInstaller is actually a service and not an account as such.) It can be fixed with TakeOwn, but don't be careless with that thing. For example, do not click on the entire C: drive and do a TakeOwn. That'll make a mess you'll regret later (like the very next rollup package perhaps). I don't think any of these methods are sufficiently automated for you. Too many variables left uncontrolled. Make a backup first, then go nuts :-) The "Tut" tutorial package mentioned in post #10, I indicated in another posting, that it contains a ..reg file that needs to be merged. (Right-click the file in File Explorer, and there should be a "merge" option in the menu.) That installs the registry entries in there. If you convert those strings to ASCII, you can see what paths the registry file specifies. It likely uses %% style environment variables, so you would not need to add "RHBreener" into any of the registry strings. The registry file should work for anyone, as long as it is designed that way. A clever person, could take that registry file, and compare the entries (key names) to regedit in Vista, and verify they're all the same registry settings. The thing is, if you accept "automation" from anyone on the Internet, you're taking a chance. I usually eyeball .reg files before I even consider using them, just to be on the safe side. For example, all it would take is a slightly wrong typo, to delete a whole chunk of registry (because a .reg has both (+) and (-) entries, and the (-) ones delete stuff). Leaving me to scramble for a registry recovery recipe (System Restore will do it for you, if you set a restore point before doing this stuff). If you feel up to experimenting, give it a go. Otherwise, forget it. The instructions leave a lot to the imagination (TrustedInstaller). HTH, Paul |
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Paul wrote:
R.H. Breener wrote: ""...winston‫"" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote: "Paul" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote: I just bought a new laptop with W 8 and have a few questions. How do I get rid of having to constantly put in a password to use it? It's frigging annoying as hell. The other question is how do I hack in WindowsMail like I did in W 7? WindowsMail works great in W 7 so I moved the folder to W 8 but it wont open. How can I get it to open? Please don't suggest other mail programs as I've tried most of the years and can't stand them. Thanks. You can use your search engine, like this "windows mail" site:sevenforums.com "windows mail" site:eightforums.com and get a solution for each OS. The second article mentions a DLL that has to be moved and registered so the OS knows it is there. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html On the first article, there is a download, but you can just as easily open the ZIP with 7-ZIP, take note of what files they're using, and copy over your Vista ones. In the first article, there is a .reg file. It may look like loads of "hex", but in fact those are text strings. The text strings use wide 16 bit characters. For English participants, the second byte of a pair is usually 0x00. The net result is, it looks like hex, when on a previous OS without wide character support, you'd be looking at an easy to read %path% type thing. So don't be freaked out by the hex look of the .reg file. It can be translated to something readable, with a moderate amount of effort. The contents aren't totally mysterious. (There are some things that are pure hex in Windows, but these aren't examples of that.) It's the inability of Microsoft to create a decent representation, that makes us go through this hell (of translation). At some point in the past, one of these USENET groups has had a posting on installing WM, but since there is no archive on Google, it's pretty hard to search what has already been posted here, when you need an answer. New groups added to alt.*, are not automatically added at Google headquarters. Have fun, Paul Thanks Paul. There seems to be several ways to do it and I'll look into all. The biggest problem is deleting the WindowsMail from W 8 that it came with. It wont let me delete the copy it came with. Is there a way to get past that Trusted Installer BS? I have Unlocker but it wont work on W 8 64 bit. Any suggestions to get around this problem? On Win8 the mail client is an app. Uninstall it via the Modern UI. - rt click the Mail app icon, scroll and select 'Uninstall' Note: doing so will also remove all other apps that are packaged with the Win8x mail client. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps No working mail client came with W-8, only a crippled copy of WindowsMail. I got rid of the crippled WindowsMail on W-8 and installed a copy from Vista of WindowsMail... but there's still the problem of MSOE.dll not being able to be used. How do I get W-8 to see and load that dll so I can use WM on W-8? I get this error: WindowsMail could not be started because MSOE.dll could not be loaded. See post #10 here. It was last edited two weeks ago, to include a Windows 10 Preview picture of WM from Vista running in Win10 TP. http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html The problem for a person like yourself, is most all of the threads I've seen so far, are not using tech writer techniques to make the procedure clear. There is also some disagreement on the best way to do it, with respect to the msidcrl30.dll file. While it can be placed in System32, if the program would accept it, it would be easier to place it in the Winmail folder, winmail.exe -- version consistent with 32 bit or 64 bit OS msoe??.dll -- version consistent with 32 bit or 64 bit OS msidcrl30.dll --- and so on There are two Program Files folders, one for 32 bit programs, one for 64 bit programs. This "recipe" is going to work better, if your "donor" OS (the one where you have the working WLMail) matches the bitness of the OS on the target machine. It would be a poor fit, to go from a 32 bit Vista to a 64 bit Windows 8, and expect an entirely smooth transition. You need to stick the files in a different Program Files folder, as well as use files which are appropriate for that folder (32 or 64 bit versions). AFAIK, if you stick msidcrl30.dll in the winmail folder, that isn't likely to need regsvr32. The other part of this recipe I don't understand, is the two places you're working (some Program Files x86 work, and alternately if you use the method, the System32). Those are owned by TrustedInstaller. While you could use a tool like TakeOwn right-click menu, to obtain ownership and jam in your stuff, that's not the best thing to do. And I'd surprised the people espousing this recipe, haven't run into permission problems because neither they or the administrator account, own the folders. So it should be tough, to jam a folder in there. (TrustedInstaller is actually a service and not an account as such.) It can be fixed with TakeOwn, but don't be careless with that thing. For example, do not click on the entire C: drive and do a TakeOwn. That'll make a mess you'll regret later (like the very next rollup package perhaps). I don't think any of these methods are sufficiently automated for you. Too many variables left uncontrolled. Make a backup first, then go nuts :-) The "Tut" tutorial package mentioned in post #10, I indicated in another posting, that it contains a .reg file that needs to be merged. (Right-click the file in File Explorer, and there should be a "merge" option in the menu.) That installs the registry entries in there. If you convert those strings to ASCII, you can see what paths the registry file specifies. It likely uses %% style environment variables, so you would not need to add "RHBreener" into any of the registry strings. The registry file should work for anyone, as long as it is designed that way. A clever person, could take that registry file, and compare the entries (key names) to regedit in Vista, and verify they're all the same registry settings. The thing is, if you accept "automation" from anyone on the Internet, you're taking a chance. I usually eyeball .reg files before I even consider using them, just to be on the safe side. For example, all it would take is a slightly wrong typo, to delete a whole chunk of registry (because a .reg has both (+) and (-) entries, and the (-) ones delete stuff). Leaving me to scramble for a registry recovery recipe (System Restore will do it for you, if you set a restore point before doing this stuff). If you feel up to experimenting, give it a go. Otherwise, forget it. The instructions leave a lot to the imagination (TrustedInstaller). HTH, Paul ....and like in the past a MSFT update can break WM (again and again) when used as a non-supported email/news client on post Vista o/s. One of the reasons, imo, it's not even worthy of even attempting to try. If the Win8, upcoming Win10, WLM, Outlook MSFT *available* email clients aren't one' choice cup-of-tea then test other 3rd party email clients until finding one that is acceptable. -- ....winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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"Paul" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote: I just bought a new laptop with W 8 and have a few questions. How do I get rid of having to constantly put in a password to use it? It's frigging annoying as hell. The other question is how do I hack in WindowsMail like I did in W 7? WindowsMail works great in W 7 so I moved the folder to W 8 but it wont open. How can I get it to open? Please don't suggest other mail programs as I've tried most of the years and can't stand them. Thanks. You can use your search engine, like this "windows mail" site:sevenforums.com "windows mail" site:eightforums.com and get a solution for each OS. The second article mentions a DLL that has to be moved and registered so the OS knows it is there. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html On the first article, there is a download, but you can just as easily open the ZIP with 7-ZIP, take note of what files they're using, and copy over your Vista ones. In the first article, there is a .reg file. It may look like loads of "hex", but in fact those are text strings. The text strings use wide 16 bit characters. For English participants, the second byte of a pair is usually 0x00. The net result is, it looks like hex, when on a previous OS without wide character support, you'd be looking at an easy to read %path% type thing. So don't be freaked out by the hex look of the .reg file. It can be translated to something readable, with a moderate amount of effort. The contents aren't totally mysterious. (There are some things that are pure hex in Windows, but these aren't examples of that.) It's the inability of Microsoft to create a decent representation, that makes us go through this hell (of translation). At some point in the past, one of these USENET groups has had a posting on installing WM, but since there is no archive on Google, it's pretty hard to search what has already been posted here, when you need an answer. New groups added to alt.*, are not automatically added at Google headquarters. Have fun, Paul I registered there and asked a question on a long thread but with 15 pages on the subject..... and there is no way to start a new thread on the Windows Eight Forum. How are new threads started there? All I can do is reply to threads already there. I follow the directions but the dll I downloaded and put in System 32 wont register. When I try to open WM I get the error that the MSOE.dll can not be loaded. |
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Gene E. Bloch wrote on 2/23/2015 8:01 PM:
One of my favorite things from antiquity were the things you screwed into the socket that had a socket and two outlets. And the added socket had its own string switch. From Home Depot: http://tinyurl.com/q3jlukv And I've got some of those in my electrical junk box. Not much need for them now but I just can't toss them. :-) |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 18:42:03 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: Actually, some people call regular light switches toggle switches, Not me. As far as I'm concerned, a toggle switch is one that if you do the same thing to it each time, it reverses the setting. So a button that if you pressed it would turn the lights on, and if you pressed it again would turn them off, would be a toggle switch. A regular light switch has two different positions, one for on and one for off, and that's the opposite of a toggle switch. I'm sure you know that. I'm saying it for anyone here who doesn't know it. Did you look at my links? Yes, I'm aware you said "Not me" :-) But what do you call the switches I pointed to? When you go into Radio Shack or Home Depot, what do you ask for? Unfortunately there are two meanings. A physical toggle switch can be so-called on account of the shape of the little lever you have to move in order to change its state, but it's also possible to refer to a toggle switching *function* as described above, where the same physical operation is used to change from either state to the other. There's plenty to argue about, unless you make it clear whether you're talking about a physical toggle switch or a toggle function. A similar uncertainty applies to the question of what is a plug and what is a socket. For most people, a plug will be the loose connector on the end of a cable, and a socket will be fitted to the wall. Usually the former has pins and the latter has holes, but what do you call them if the loose connector has holes and the fixed one has pins? My preference is for the designation adopted by BBC Technical stores, where a connector with pins is always a plug, and one with holes is a socket, the description being augmented with "fixed" or "free" depending on whether it is panel mounting or on the end of a cable, but I'm sure there must be some who disagree. In the UK, people sometimes refer to something they call a "plug socket", and I'm not sure what they mean by it, or why. Rod. |
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New laptop w/windows 8 what a *&^%$# nightmare.
"Big_Al" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote on 2/21/2015 11:25 PM: "Big_Al" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote on 2/21/2015 11:05 PM: I just bought a new laptop with W 8 and have a few questions. How do I get rid of having to constantly put in a password to use it? It's frigging annoying as hell. The other question is how do I hack in WindowsMail like I did in W 7? WindowsMail works great in W 7 so I moved the folder to W 8 but it wont open. How can I get it to open? Please don't suggest other mail programs as I've tried most of the years and can't stand them. Thanks. run netplwiz Command prompt or run command etc. Whatever way you can. There is a check box on the first screen. Toggle it. Click okay. It will ask for the password. enter it twice. What does Toggle it mean? Toggle, in the case of a check box or radio box, change the state it was in. If it's on turn it off, if it's off turn it on. To switch between one of two states. In your case the auto login is not turned on. I don't care or know if that is with or without the check box checked. In your case the feature is off, so changing the state of that checkbox will change the state of your autologin. If it's currently off, it will turn it on. SO TOGGLE IT to the other state it's currently in. It didn't work anyway. I unchecked the box but still have to use my password. I wish I could have found a LP with W7 but no one was selling them. This W8 is the pits. I can't use the Command Prompt as Administrator because that choice isn't on the dropdown. I can't open and Administrator account according to www.eightforums unless I can get use the prompt under Administrator. So can someone who knows please tell me how to add Administrator to the dropdown menu in Command Prompt? As for going through the registry per that site.... it says go to regedit and click File/Load Hive which isn't an option since Hive is grayed out. So that is no option either. So how then do I open an Administrators account? |
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New laptop w/windows 8
"Paul" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote: ""...winston‫"" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote: "Paul" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote: I just bought a new laptop with W 8 and have a few questions. How do I get rid of having to constantly put in a password to use it? It's frigging annoying as hell. The other question is how do I hack in WindowsMail like I did in W 7? WindowsMail works great in W 7 so I moved the folder to W 8 but it wont open. How can I get it to open? Please don't suggest other mail programs as I've tried most of the years and can't stand them. Thanks. You can use your search engine, like this "windows mail" site:sevenforums.com "windows mail" site:eightforums.com and get a solution for each OS. The second article mentions a DLL that has to be moved and registered so the OS knows it is there. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html On the first article, there is a download, but you can just as easily open the ZIP with 7-ZIP, take note of what files they're using, and copy over your Vista ones. In the first article, there is a .reg file. It may look like loads of "hex", but in fact those are text strings. The text strings use wide 16 bit characters. For English participants, the second byte of a pair is usually 0x00. The net result is, it looks like hex, when on a previous OS without wide character support, you'd be looking at an easy to read %path% type thing. So don't be freaked out by the hex look of the .reg file. It can be translated to something readable, with a moderate amount of effort. The contents aren't totally mysterious. (There are some things that are pure hex in Windows, but these aren't examples of that.) It's the inability of Microsoft to create a decent representation, that makes us go through this hell (of translation). At some point in the past, one of these USENET groups has had a posting on installing WM, but since there is no archive on Google, it's pretty hard to search what has already been posted here, when you need an answer. New groups added to alt.*, are not automatically added at Google headquarters. Have fun, Paul Thanks Paul. There seems to be several ways to do it and I'll look into all. The biggest problem is deleting the WindowsMail from W 8 that it came with. It wont let me delete the copy it came with. Is there a way to get past that Trusted Installer BS? I have Unlocker but it wont work on W 8 64 bit. Any suggestions to get around this problem? On Win8 the mail client is an app. Uninstall it via the Modern UI. - rt click the Mail app icon, scroll and select 'Uninstall' Note: doing so will also remove all other apps that are packaged with the Win8x mail client. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps No working mail client came with W-8, only a crippled copy of WindowsMail. I got rid of the crippled WindowsMail on W-8 and installed a copy from Vista of WindowsMail... but there's still the problem of MSOE.dll not being able to be used. How do I get W-8 to see and load that dll so I can use WM on W-8? I get this error: WindowsMail could not be started because MSOE.dll could not be loaded. See post #10 here. It was last edited two weeks ago, to include a Windows 10 Preview picture of WM from Vista running in Win10 TP. http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html But I can't get past this step "d) Now , we have to register the above dll. Open cmd and type : regsvr32 "c:/windows/system32\msidcrl30.dll" and press enter." I press enter and nothing happens on W8. I can't run the Command Prompt as Administrator as there is no choice in the menu to Run As Admin. The problem for a person like yourself, is most all of the threads I've seen so far, are not using tech writer techniques to make the procedure clear. There is also some disagreement on the best way to do it, with respect to the msidcrl30.dll file. While it can be placed in System32, if the program would accept it, it would be easier to place it in the Winmail folder, I tried placing it in both. I still got the MSOE.DLL error - that WM can't start because MSOE.DLL could not be loaded. I've read endless pages of info and still haven't found how to get this dll to load. winmail.exe -- version consistent with 32 bit or 64 bit OS msoe??.dll -- version consistent with 32 bit or 64 bit OS msidcrl30.dll --- and so on There are two Program Files folders, one for 32 bit programs, one for 64 bit programs. This "recipe" is going to work better, if your "donor" OS (the one where you have the working WLMail) matches the bitness of the OS on the target machine. It would be a poor fit, to go from a 32 bit Vista to a 64 bit Windows 8, and expect an entirely smooth transition. You need to stick the files in a different Program Files folder, as well as use files which are appropriate for that folder (32 or 64 bit versions). The computer these files were taken from are a 32-bit Vista. But they also worked on my 64-bit W7 back home. I took the entire folder from the W7 and the Vista and tried both. But I keep getting that MSOE.DLL could not be loaded error. AFAIK, if you stick msidcrl30.dll in the winmail folder, that isn't likely to need regsvr32. In (x86) or under regular Programs? OK, I put it both and still get the MSOE.DLL could not be loaded error. The other part of this recipe I don't understand, is the two places you're working (some Program Files x86 work, and alternately if you use the method, the System32). Those are owned by TrustedInstaller. While you could use a tool like TakeOwn right-click menu, to obtain ownership and jam in your stuff, that's not the best thing to do. And I'd surprised the people espousing this recipe, haven't run into permission problems because neither they or the administrator account, own the folders. I've run into no problems with WindowsMail and adding that msidcrl30.dll. So it should be tough, to jam a folder in there. (TrustedInstaller is actually a service and not an account as such.) It can be fixed with TakeOwn, but don't be careless with that thing. For example, do not click on the entire C: drive and do a TakeOwn. That'll make a mess you'll regret later (like the very next rollup package perhaps). Rollup package? I don't think any of these methods are sufficiently automated for you. Too many variables left uncontrolled. Make a backup first, then go nuts :-) The "Tut" tutorial package mentioned in post #10, I indicated in another posting, that it contains a .reg file that needs to be merged. (Right-click the file in File Explorer, and there should be a "merge" option in the menu.) That installs the registry entries in there. If you convert those strings to ASCII, you can see what paths the registry file specifies. It likely uses %% style environment variables, so you would not need to add "RHBreener" into any of the registry strings. The registry file should work for anyone, as long as it is designed that way. A clever person, could take that registry file, and compare the entries (key names) to regedit in Vista, and verify they're all the same registry settings. Way over my head. I just want to mention I can't follow #10 because I have a Command Prompt but no choice to "Run as Administrator." How can I change that? Google brought up endless pages with no explination how to add it to the prompt's dropdown menu. The thing is, if you accept "automation" from anyone on the Internet, you're taking a chance. I usually eyeball .reg files before I even consider using them, just to be on the safe side. For example, all it would take is a slightly wrong typo, to delete a whole chunk of registry (because a .reg has both (+) and (-) entries, and the (-) ones delete stuff). Leaving me to scramble for a registry recovery recipe (System Restore will do it for you, if you set a restore point before doing this stuff). I also always export the Reg when I change something there - which is rare. If you feel up to experimenting, give it a go. Otherwise, forget it. The instructions leave a lot to the imagination (TrustedInstaller). HTH, Paul |
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New laptop w/windows 8
""...winston‫"" wrote in message ... brevity snip If the Win8, upcoming Win10, WLM, Outlook MSFT *available* email clients aren't one' choice cup-of-tea then test other 3rd party email clients until finding one that is acceptable. I've tried several and none are as easy to use as WM. I can't even get Agent to send mail. They all seem to have all kinds of bells and whistles that I don't need or want. It just makes them more complicated to set up and use. Not all of us are savvy techies. I've been using Outlook Express and WindowsMail since 1996 and really don't care to switch. I wish I could find a really basic email program with the minimum amount of choices and things to have to deal with. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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