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  #16  
Old February 24th 15, 01:37 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gene E. Bloch[_2_]
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Default New laptop w/windows 8

On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:23:50 -0500, Cy Burnot wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote on 2/23/2015 5:37 PM:

I had an adventure with that word when the DirecTV installer came.

He told me the channel and volume were toggles, so I tried to press them
in so as to change their state (which didn't make sense, since both deal
with a series of values!).


And he was wrong. Those are called, believe it or not, rocker
switches!!! ;-)


Note that I said:

"It turned out he meant that you rock them up or down"

Actually, some people call regular light switches toggle switches,
although my mental picture is more like the metal bat lever switch.

http://tinyurl.com/n5lo4y8 (Home Depot)
http://tinyurl.com/k5gbn83 (Radio Shack)

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  #17  
Old February 24th 15, 01:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gordon
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Default New laptop w/windows 8

On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:37:17 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:05:59 -0500, Big_Al wrote:


What does Toggle it mean?

Toggle, in the case of a check box or radio box, change the state it was in. If it's on turn it off, if it's off turn
it on.

To switch between one of two states.
In your case the auto login is not turned on. I don't care or know if that is with or without the check box checked.
In your case the feature is off, so changing the state of that checkbox will change the state of your autologin. If
it's currently off, it will turn it on.

SO TOGGLE IT to the other state it's currently in.


I had an adventure with that word when the DirecTV installer came.

He told me the channel and volume were toggles, so I tried to press them
in so as to change their state (which didn't make sense, since both deal
with a series of values!).

It turned out he meant that you rock them up or down, not push them in.

He thought I was pretty dumb even after I told him what toggle means to
me (same as you wrote above).

BTW, both switches are quite small and don't have long bat handles, so
it's not obvious at a glance that they rock rather than press in.

Not to mention that what I did at first actually had an effect, but it
wasn't consistent - i.e., sometimes volume up, sometimes volume down,
and of course the same for the channel button.

This reminds me of the old days when the Rural Electrification
Administration installed electric power lines in the area where our
ranch was located. Our house had been set up with a wind charger and a
battery system. The ceiling lights had pull chains on them, but when
our house was re-wired for 110 volt REA power they put "Toggle
Switches" on the walls by the doors and got rid of all those pull
chain light fixtures. Long time ago!!! Gordon
  #18  
Old February 24th 15, 01:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
R.H. Breener[_2_]
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""...winston‫"" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote:
I just bought a new laptop with W 8 and have a few questions. How do
I get rid of having to constantly put in a password to use it? It's
frigging annoying as hell. The other question is how do I hack in
WindowsMail like I did in W 7? WindowsMail works great in W 7 so I
moved the folder to W 8 but it wont open. How can I get it to open?
Please don't suggest other mail programs as I've tried most of the
years and can't stand them. Thanks.

You can use your search engine, like this

"windows mail" site:sevenforums.com
"windows mail" site:eightforums.com

and get a solution for each OS.

The second article mentions a DLL that has
to be moved and registered so the OS knows
it is there.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html

http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html


On the first article, there is a download, but you can just
as easily open the ZIP with 7-ZIP, take note of what
files they're using, and copy over your Vista ones.

In the first article, there is a .reg file. It may look
like loads of "hex", but in fact those are text strings.
The text strings use wide 16 bit characters. For English
participants, the second byte of a pair is usually 0x00.
The net result is, it looks like hex, when on a previous
OS without wide character support, you'd be looking at an
easy to read %path% type thing. So don't be freaked
out by the hex look of the .reg file. It can be translated
to something readable, with a moderate amount of effort.
The contents aren't totally mysterious. (There are some
things that are pure hex in Windows, but these aren't
examples of that.) It's the inability of Microsoft to
create a decent representation, that makes us go through
this hell (of translation).

At some point in the past, one of these USENET groups
has had a posting on installing WM, but since there is
no archive on Google, it's pretty hard to search what
has already been posted here, when you need an answer.
New groups added to alt.*, are not automatically added
at Google headquarters.

Have fun,
Paul


Thanks Paul. There seems to be several ways to do it and I'll look into
all. The biggest problem is deleting the WindowsMail from W 8 that it
came with. It wont let me delete the copy it came with. Is there a way
to get past that Trusted Installer BS? I have Unlocker but it wont work
on W 8 64 bit. Any suggestions to get around this problem?


On Win8 the mail client is an app. Uninstall it via the Modern UI.
- rt click the Mail app icon, scroll and select 'Uninstall'
Note: doing so will also remove all other apps that are packaged with the
Win8x mail client.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps


No working mail client came with W-8, only a crippled copy of WindowsMail.

I got rid of the crippled WindowsMail on W-8 and installed a copy from Vista
of WindowsMail... but there's still the problem of MSOE.dll not being able
to be used. How do I get W-8 to see and load that dll so I can use WM on
W-8? I get this error: WindowsMail could not be started because MSOE.dll
could not be loaded.

  #19  
Old February 24th 15, 02:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gene E. Bloch[_2_]
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Default New laptop w/windows 8

On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 18:43:33 -0600, Gordon wrote:

On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:37:17 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:05:59 -0500, Big_Al wrote:


What does Toggle it mean?

Toggle, in the case of a check box or radio box, change the state it was in. If it's on turn it off, if it's off turn
it on.

To switch between one of two states.
In your case the auto login is not turned on. I don't care or know if that is with or without the check box checked.
In your case the feature is off, so changing the state of that checkbox will change the state of your autologin. If
it's currently off, it will turn it on.

SO TOGGLE IT to the other state it's currently in.


I had an adventure with that word when the DirecTV installer came.

He told me the channel and volume were toggles, so I tried to press them
in so as to change their state (which didn't make sense, since both deal
with a series of values!).

It turned out he meant that you rock them up or down, not push them in.

He thought I was pretty dumb even after I told him what toggle means to
me (same as you wrote above).

BTW, both switches are quite small and don't have long bat handles, so
it's not obvious at a glance that they rock rather than press in.

Not to mention that what I did at first actually had an effect, but it
wasn't consistent - i.e., sometimes volume up, sometimes volume down,
and of course the same for the channel button.

This reminds me of the old days when the Rural Electrification
Administration installed electric power lines in the area where our
ranch was located. Our house had been set up with a wind charger and a
battery system. The ceiling lights had pull chains on them, but when
our house was re-wired for 110 volt REA power they put "Toggle
Switches" on the walls by the doors and got rid of all those pull
chain light fixtures. Long time ago!!! Gordon


Strings and pushbutton switches - those were the days.

From Amazon:
http://tinyurl.com/o6qtr42

Oddly, both buttons have mother-of-pearl inlays. The off button should
be black.

One of my favorite things from antiquity were the things you screwed
into the socket that had a socket and two outlets. And the added socket
had its own string switch.

From Home Depot:
http://tinyurl.com/q3jlukv

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
  #20  
Old February 24th 15, 03:08 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake, MVP[_4_]
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:37:22 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:


Actually, some people call regular light switches toggle switches,



Not me. As far as I'm concerned, a toggle switch is one that if you do
the same thing to it each time, it reverses the setting. So a button
that if you pressed it would turn the lights on, and if you pressed it
again would turn them off, would be a toggle switch. A regular light
switch has two different positions, one for on and one for off, and
that's the opposite of a toggle switch.

I'm sure you know that. I'm saying it for anyone here who doesn't know
it.
  #21  
Old February 24th 15, 03:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gene E. Bloch[_2_]
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:08:58 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:37:22 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

Actually, some people call regular light switches toggle switches,


Not me. As far as I'm concerned, a toggle switch is one that if you do
the same thing to it each time, it reverses the setting. So a button
that if you pressed it would turn the lights on, and if you pressed it
again would turn them off, would be a toggle switch. A regular light
switch has two different positions, one for on and one for off, and
that's the opposite of a toggle switch.

I'm sure you know that. I'm saying it for anyone here who doesn't know
it.


Did you look at my links?

Yes, I'm aware you said "Not me" :-)

But what do you call the switches I pointed to? When you go into Radio
Shack or Home Depot, what do you ask for?

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
  #22  
Old February 24th 15, 05:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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Default New laptop w/windows 8

On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:08:58 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:37:22 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:


Actually, some people call regular light switches toggle switches,



Not me. As far as I'm concerned, a toggle switch is one that if you do
the same thing to it each time, it reverses the setting. So a button
that if you pressed it would turn the lights on, and if you pressed it
again would turn them off, would be a toggle switch.


I believe that's called a pushbutton switch. It's most definitely not a
toggle switch since your description precludes a toggle.

A regular light
switch has two different positions, one for on and one for off, and
that's the opposite of a toggle switch.


Actually, that's a common example of a toggle switch. The exposed lever
allows you to toggle the switch to either of two positions.

I'm sure you know that. I'm saying it for anyone here who doesn't know
it.


???

Check out Digikey or Google images for examples.

http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en - scroll down to Switches
https://www.google.com/search?q=toggle+switch


  #23  
Old February 24th 15, 06:23 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default New laptop w/windows 8

R.H. Breener wrote:

""...winston‫"" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote:
I just bought a new laptop with W 8 and have a few questions. How do
I get rid of having to constantly put in a password to use it? It's
frigging annoying as hell. The other question is how do I hack in
WindowsMail like I did in W 7? WindowsMail works great in W 7 so I
moved the folder to W 8 but it wont open. How can I get it to open?
Please don't suggest other mail programs as I've tried most of the
years and can't stand them. Thanks.

You can use your search engine, like this

"windows mail" site:sevenforums.com
"windows mail" site:eightforums.com

and get a solution for each OS.

The second article mentions a DLL that has
to be moved and registered so the OS knows
it is there.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html

http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html



On the first article, there is a download, but you can just
as easily open the ZIP with 7-ZIP, take note of what
files they're using, and copy over your Vista ones.

In the first article, there is a .reg file. It may look
like loads of "hex", but in fact those are text strings.
The text strings use wide 16 bit characters. For English
participants, the second byte of a pair is usually 0x00.
The net result is, it looks like hex, when on a previous
OS without wide character support, you'd be looking at an
easy to read %path% type thing. So don't be freaked
out by the hex look of the .reg file. It can be translated
to something readable, with a moderate amount of effort.
The contents aren't totally mysterious. (There are some
things that are pure hex in Windows, but these aren't
examples of that.) It's the inability of Microsoft to
create a decent representation, that makes us go through
this hell (of translation).

At some point in the past, one of these USENET groups
has had a posting on installing WM, but since there is
no archive on Google, it's pretty hard to search what
has already been posted here, when you need an answer.
New groups added to alt.*, are not automatically added
at Google headquarters.

Have fun,
Paul

Thanks Paul. There seems to be several ways to do it and I'll look into
all. The biggest problem is deleting the WindowsMail from W 8 that it
came with. It wont let me delete the copy it came with. Is there a way
to get past that Trusted Installer BS? I have Unlocker but it wont work
on W 8 64 bit. Any suggestions to get around this problem?


On Win8 the mail client is an app. Uninstall it via the Modern UI.
- rt click the Mail app icon, scroll and select 'Uninstall'
Note: doing so will also remove all other apps that are packaged with
the Win8x mail client.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps


No working mail client came with W-8, only a crippled copy of WindowsMail.

I got rid of the crippled WindowsMail on W-8 and installed a copy from
Vista of WindowsMail... but there's still the problem of MSOE.dll not
being able to be used. How do I get W-8 to see and load that dll so I
can use WM on W-8? I get this error: WindowsMail could not be started
because MSOE.dll could not be loaded.


See post #10 here. It was last edited two weeks ago, to include
a Windows 10 Preview picture of WM from Vista running in Win10 TP.

http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html

The problem for a person like yourself, is most all of the threads
I've seen so far, are not using tech writer techniques to make the
procedure clear.

There is also some disagreement on the best way to do it, with
respect to the msidcrl30.dll file. While it can be placed in
System32, if the program would accept it, it would be easier
to place it in the Winmail folder,

winmail.exe -- version consistent with 32 bit or 64 bit OS
msoe??.dll -- version consistent with 32 bit or 64 bit OS
msidcrl30.dll --- and so on

There are two Program Files folders, one for 32 bit programs,
one for 64 bit programs. This "recipe" is going to work better,
if your "donor" OS (the one where you have the working WLMail)
matches the bitness of the OS on the target machine. It would
be a poor fit, to go from a 32 bit Vista to a 64 bit Windows 8,
and expect an entirely smooth transition. You need to stick the
files in a different Program Files folder, as well as use
files which are appropriate for that folder (32 or 64 bit versions).

AFAIK, if you stick msidcrl30.dll in the winmail folder, that
isn't likely to need regsvr32.

The other part of this recipe I don't understand, is the two
places you're working (some Program Files x86 work, and
alternately if you use the method, the System32). Those
are owned by TrustedInstaller. While you could use a tool
like TakeOwn right-click menu, to obtain ownership and
jam in your stuff, that's not the best thing to do. And
I'd surprised the people espousing this recipe, haven't
run into permission problems because neither they or
the administrator account, own the folders. So it should
be tough, to jam a folder in there. (TrustedInstaller
is actually a service and not an account as such.) It can be
fixed with TakeOwn, but don't be careless with that thing.
For example, do not click on the entire C: drive and do a
TakeOwn. That'll make a mess you'll regret later (like the
very next rollup package perhaps).

I don't think any of these methods are sufficiently
automated for you. Too many variables left uncontrolled.

Make a backup first, then go nuts :-)

The "Tut" tutorial package mentioned in post #10, I
indicated in another posting, that it contains a
..reg file that needs to be merged. (Right-click the
file in File Explorer, and there should be a "merge"
option in the menu.) That installs the registry
entries in there. If you convert those strings to ASCII,
you can see what paths the registry file specifies. It
likely uses %% style environment variables, so you
would not need to add "RHBreener" into any of the
registry strings. The registry file should work
for anyone, as long as it is designed that way.
A clever person, could take that registry file,
and compare the entries (key names) to regedit
in Vista, and verify they're all the same
registry settings.

The thing is, if you accept "automation" from anyone
on the Internet, you're taking a chance. I usually
eyeball .reg files before I even consider using them,
just to be on the safe side. For example, all it
would take is a slightly wrong typo, to delete
a whole chunk of registry (because a .reg has both
(+) and (-) entries, and the (-) ones delete stuff).
Leaving me to scramble for a registry recovery recipe
(System Restore will do it for you, if you set a
restore point before doing this stuff).

If you feel up to experimenting, give it a go.
Otherwise, forget it. The instructions leave
a lot to the imagination (TrustedInstaller).

HTH,
Paul
  #24  
Old February 24th 15, 09:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
...winston‫
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Posts: 1,128
Default New laptop w/windows 8

Paul wrote:
R.H. Breener wrote:

""...winston‫"" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote:
I just bought a new laptop with W 8 and have a few questions. How do
I get rid of having to constantly put in a password to use it? It's
frigging annoying as hell. The other question is how do I hack in
WindowsMail like I did in W 7? WindowsMail works great in W 7 so I
moved the folder to W 8 but it wont open. How can I get it to open?
Please don't suggest other mail programs as I've tried most of the
years and can't stand them. Thanks.

You can use your search engine, like this

"windows mail" site:sevenforums.com
"windows mail" site:eightforums.com

and get a solution for each OS.

The second article mentions a DLL that has
to be moved and registered so the OS knows
it is there.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html

http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html



On the first article, there is a download, but you can just
as easily open the ZIP with 7-ZIP, take note of what
files they're using, and copy over your Vista ones.

In the first article, there is a .reg file. It may look
like loads of "hex", but in fact those are text strings.
The text strings use wide 16 bit characters. For English
participants, the second byte of a pair is usually 0x00.
The net result is, it looks like hex, when on a previous
OS without wide character support, you'd be looking at an
easy to read %path% type thing. So don't be freaked
out by the hex look of the .reg file. It can be translated
to something readable, with a moderate amount of effort.
The contents aren't totally mysterious. (There are some
things that are pure hex in Windows, but these aren't
examples of that.) It's the inability of Microsoft to
create a decent representation, that makes us go through
this hell (of translation).

At some point in the past, one of these USENET groups
has had a posting on installing WM, but since there is
no archive on Google, it's pretty hard to search what
has already been posted here, when you need an answer.
New groups added to alt.*, are not automatically added
at Google headquarters.

Have fun,
Paul

Thanks Paul. There seems to be several ways to do it and I'll look
into
all. The biggest problem is deleting the WindowsMail from W 8 that it
came with. It wont let me delete the copy it came with. Is there a way
to get past that Trusted Installer BS? I have Unlocker but it wont
work
on W 8 64 bit. Any suggestions to get around this problem?


On Win8 the mail client is an app. Uninstall it via the Modern UI.
- rt click the Mail app icon, scroll and select 'Uninstall'
Note: doing so will also remove all other apps that are packaged
with the Win8x mail client.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps


No working mail client came with W-8, only a crippled copy of
WindowsMail.

I got rid of the crippled WindowsMail on W-8 and installed a copy from
Vista of WindowsMail... but there's still the problem of MSOE.dll not
being able to be used. How do I get W-8 to see and load that dll so I
can use WM on W-8? I get this error: WindowsMail could not be started
because MSOE.dll could not be loaded.


See post #10 here. It was last edited two weeks ago, to include
a Windows 10 Preview picture of WM from Vista running in Win10 TP.

http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html


The problem for a person like yourself, is most all of the threads
I've seen so far, are not using tech writer techniques to make the
procedure clear.

There is also some disagreement on the best way to do it, with
respect to the msidcrl30.dll file. While it can be placed in
System32, if the program would accept it, it would be easier
to place it in the Winmail folder,

winmail.exe -- version consistent with 32 bit or 64 bit OS
msoe??.dll -- version consistent with 32 bit or 64 bit OS
msidcrl30.dll --- and so on

There are two Program Files folders, one for 32 bit programs,
one for 64 bit programs. This "recipe" is going to work better,
if your "donor" OS (the one where you have the working WLMail)
matches the bitness of the OS on the target machine. It would
be a poor fit, to go from a 32 bit Vista to a 64 bit Windows 8,
and expect an entirely smooth transition. You need to stick the
files in a different Program Files folder, as well as use
files which are appropriate for that folder (32 or 64 bit versions).

AFAIK, if you stick msidcrl30.dll in the winmail folder, that
isn't likely to need regsvr32.

The other part of this recipe I don't understand, is the two
places you're working (some Program Files x86 work, and
alternately if you use the method, the System32). Those
are owned by TrustedInstaller. While you could use a tool
like TakeOwn right-click menu, to obtain ownership and
jam in your stuff, that's not the best thing to do. And
I'd surprised the people espousing this recipe, haven't
run into permission problems because neither they or
the administrator account, own the folders. So it should
be tough, to jam a folder in there. (TrustedInstaller
is actually a service and not an account as such.) It can be
fixed with TakeOwn, but don't be careless with that thing.
For example, do not click on the entire C: drive and do a
TakeOwn. That'll make a mess you'll regret later (like the
very next rollup package perhaps).

I don't think any of these methods are sufficiently
automated for you. Too many variables left uncontrolled.

Make a backup first, then go nuts :-)

The "Tut" tutorial package mentioned in post #10, I
indicated in another posting, that it contains a
.reg file that needs to be merged. (Right-click the
file in File Explorer, and there should be a "merge"
option in the menu.) That installs the registry
entries in there. If you convert those strings to ASCII,
you can see what paths the registry file specifies. It
likely uses %% style environment variables, so you
would not need to add "RHBreener" into any of the
registry strings. The registry file should work
for anyone, as long as it is designed that way.
A clever person, could take that registry file,
and compare the entries (key names) to regedit
in Vista, and verify they're all the same
registry settings.

The thing is, if you accept "automation" from anyone
on the Internet, you're taking a chance. I usually
eyeball .reg files before I even consider using them,
just to be on the safe side. For example, all it
would take is a slightly wrong typo, to delete
a whole chunk of registry (because a .reg has both
(+) and (-) entries, and the (-) ones delete stuff).
Leaving me to scramble for a registry recovery recipe
(System Restore will do it for you, if you set a
restore point before doing this stuff).

If you feel up to experimenting, give it a go.
Otherwise, forget it. The instructions leave
a lot to the imagination (TrustedInstaller).

HTH,
Paul

....and like in the past a MSFT update can break WM (again and again)
when used as a non-supported email/news client on post Vista o/s. One
of the reasons, imo, it's not even worthy of even attempting to try.

If the Win8, upcoming Win10, WLM, Outlook MSFT *available* email clients
aren't one' choice cup-of-tea then test other 3rd party email clients
until finding one that is acceptable.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #25  
Old February 24th 15, 09:38 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
R.H. Breener[_2_]
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Posts: 112
Default New laptop w/windows 8


"Paul" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote:
I just bought a new laptop with W 8 and have a few questions. How do I
get rid of having to constantly put in a password to use it? It's
frigging annoying as hell. The other question is how do I hack in
WindowsMail like I did in W 7? WindowsMail works great in W 7 so I moved
the folder to W 8 but it wont open. How can I get it to open? Please
don't suggest other mail programs as I've tried most of the years and
can't stand them. Thanks.


You can use your search engine, like this

"windows mail" site:sevenforums.com
"windows mail" site:eightforums.com

and get a solution for each OS.

The second article mentions a DLL that has
to be moved and registered so the OS knows
it is there.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html

http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html

On the first article, there is a download, but you can just
as easily open the ZIP with 7-ZIP, take note of what
files they're using, and copy over your Vista ones.

In the first article, there is a .reg file. It may look
like loads of "hex", but in fact those are text strings.
The text strings use wide 16 bit characters. For English
participants, the second byte of a pair is usually 0x00.
The net result is, it looks like hex, when on a previous
OS without wide character support, you'd be looking at an
easy to read %path% type thing. So don't be freaked
out by the hex look of the .reg file. It can be translated
to something readable, with a moderate amount of effort.
The contents aren't totally mysterious. (There are some
things that are pure hex in Windows, but these aren't
examples of that.) It's the inability of Microsoft to
create a decent representation, that makes us go through
this hell (of translation).

At some point in the past, one of these USENET groups
has had a posting on installing WM, but since there is
no archive on Google, it's pretty hard to search what
has already been posted here, when you need an answer.
New groups added to alt.*, are not automatically added
at Google headquarters.

Have fun,
Paul


I registered there and asked a question on a long thread but with 15 pages
on the subject..... and there is no way to start a new thread on the
Windows Eight Forum. How are new threads started there? All I can do is
reply to threads already there. I follow the directions but the dll I
downloaded and put in System 32 wont register. When I try to open WM I get
the error that the MSOE.dll can not be loaded.

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Old February 24th 15, 11:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Big_Al[_4_]
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Gene E. Bloch wrote on 2/23/2015 8:01 PM:
One of my favorite things from antiquity were the things you screwed
into the socket that had a socket and two outlets. And the added socket
had its own string switch.

From Home Depot:
http://tinyurl.com/q3jlukv

And I've got some of those in my electrical junk box. Not much need for them now but I just can't toss them. :-)


  #27  
Old February 24th 15, 11:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 18:42:03 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

Actually, some people call regular light switches toggle switches,


Not me. As far as I'm concerned, a toggle switch is one that if you do
the same thing to it each time, it reverses the setting. So a button
that if you pressed it would turn the lights on, and if you pressed it
again would turn them off, would be a toggle switch. A regular light
switch has two different positions, one for on and one for off, and
that's the opposite of a toggle switch.

I'm sure you know that. I'm saying it for anyone here who doesn't know
it.


Did you look at my links?

Yes, I'm aware you said "Not me" :-)

But what do you call the switches I pointed to? When you go into Radio
Shack or Home Depot, what do you ask for?


Unfortunately there are two meanings. A physical toggle switch can be
so-called on account of the shape of the little lever you have to move
in order to change its state, but it's also possible to refer to a
toggle switching *function* as described above, where the same
physical operation is used to change from either state to the other.
There's plenty to argue about, unless you make it clear whether you're
talking about a physical toggle switch or a toggle function.

A similar uncertainty applies to the question of what is a plug and
what is a socket. For most people, a plug will be the loose connector
on the end of a cable, and a socket will be fitted to the wall.
Usually the former has pins and the latter has holes, but what do you
call them if the loose connector has holes and the fixed one has pins?
My preference is for the designation adopted by BBC Technical stores,
where a connector with pins is always a plug, and one with holes is a
socket, the description being augmented with "fixed" or "free"
depending on whether it is panel mounting or on the end of a cable,
but I'm sure there must be some who disagree. In the UK, people
sometimes refer to something they call a "plug socket", and I'm not
sure what they mean by it, or why.

Rod.
  #28  
Old February 24th 15, 12:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Big_Al" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote on 2/21/2015 11:25 PM:

"Big_Al" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote on 2/21/2015 11:05 PM:
I just bought a new laptop with W 8 and have a few questions. How do I
get
rid of having to constantly put in a password to use it? It's frigging
annoying as hell. The other question is how do I hack in WindowsMail
like
I
did in W 7? WindowsMail works great in W 7 so I moved the folder to W
8
but
it wont open. How can I get it to open? Please don't suggest other mail
programs as I've tried most of the years and can't stand them. Thanks.


run netplwiz
Command prompt or run command etc. Whatever way you can.
There is a check box on the first screen. Toggle it. Click okay. It
will ask for the password. enter it twice.


What does Toggle it mean?

Toggle, in the case of a check box or radio box, change the state it was
in. If it's on turn it off, if it's off turn
it on.

To switch between one of two states.
In your case the auto login is not turned on. I don't care or know if
that is with or without the check box checked.
In your case the feature is off, so changing the state of that checkbox
will change the state of your autologin. If
it's currently off, it will turn it on.

SO TOGGLE IT to the other state it's currently in.


It didn't work anyway. I unchecked the box but still have to use my
password. I wish I could have found a LP with W7 but no one was selling
them. This W8 is the pits. I can't use the Command Prompt as Administrator
because that choice isn't on the dropdown. I can't open and Administrator
account according to www.eightforums unless I can get use the prompt under
Administrator. So can someone who knows please tell me how to add
Administrator to the dropdown menu in Command Prompt?

As for going through the registry per that site.... it says go to regedit
and click File/Load Hive which isn't an option since Hive is grayed out. So
that is no option either.

So how then do I open an Administrators account?

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Old February 24th 15, 01:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
R.H. Breener[_2_]
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"Paul" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote:

""...winston‫"" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote:
I just bought a new laptop with W 8 and have a few questions. How do
I get rid of having to constantly put in a password to use it? It's
frigging annoying as hell. The other question is how do I hack in
WindowsMail like I did in W 7? WindowsMail works great in W 7 so I
moved the folder to W 8 but it wont open. How can I get it to open?
Please don't suggest other mail programs as I've tried most of the
years and can't stand them. Thanks.

You can use your search engine, like this

"windows mail" site:sevenforums.com
"windows mail" site:eightforums.com

and get a solution for each OS.

The second article mentions a DLL that has
to be moved and registered so the OS knows
it is there.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html

http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html


On the first article, there is a download, but you can just
as easily open the ZIP with 7-ZIP, take note of what
files they're using, and copy over your Vista ones.

In the first article, there is a .reg file. It may look
like loads of "hex", but in fact those are text strings.
The text strings use wide 16 bit characters. For English
participants, the second byte of a pair is usually 0x00.
The net result is, it looks like hex, when on a previous
OS without wide character support, you'd be looking at an
easy to read %path% type thing. So don't be freaked
out by the hex look of the .reg file. It can be translated
to something readable, with a moderate amount of effort.
The contents aren't totally mysterious. (There are some
things that are pure hex in Windows, but these aren't
examples of that.) It's the inability of Microsoft to
create a decent representation, that makes us go through
this hell (of translation).

At some point in the past, one of these USENET groups
has had a posting on installing WM, but since there is
no archive on Google, it's pretty hard to search what
has already been posted here, when you need an answer.
New groups added to alt.*, are not automatically added
at Google headquarters.

Have fun,
Paul

Thanks Paul. There seems to be several ways to do it and I'll look
into
all. The biggest problem is deleting the WindowsMail from W 8 that it
came with. It wont let me delete the copy it came with. Is there a way
to get past that Trusted Installer BS? I have Unlocker but it wont
work
on W 8 64 bit. Any suggestions to get around this problem?


On Win8 the mail client is an app. Uninstall it via the Modern UI.
- rt click the Mail app icon, scroll and select 'Uninstall'
Note: doing so will also remove all other apps that are packaged with
the Win8x mail client.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps


No working mail client came with W-8, only a crippled copy of
WindowsMail.

I got rid of the crippled WindowsMail on W-8 and installed a copy from
Vista of WindowsMail... but there's still the problem of MSOE.dll not
being able to be used. How do I get W-8 to see and load that dll so I can
use WM on W-8? I get this error: WindowsMail could not be started because
MSOE.dll could not be loaded.


See post #10 here. It was last edited two weeks ago, to include
a Windows 10 Preview picture of WM from Vista running in Win10 TP.

http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html


But I can't get past this step
"d) Now , we have to register the above dll. Open cmd and type : regsvr32
"c:/windows/system32\msidcrl30.dll" and press enter."
I press enter and nothing happens on W8. I can't run the Command Prompt as
Administrator as there is no choice in the menu to Run As Admin.

The problem for a person like yourself, is most all of the threads
I've seen so far, are not using tech writer techniques to make the
procedure clear.

There is also some disagreement on the best way to do it, with
respect to the msidcrl30.dll file. While it can be placed in
System32, if the program would accept it, it would be easier
to place it in the Winmail folder,


I tried placing it in both. I still got the MSOE.DLL error - that WM can't
start because MSOE.DLL could not be loaded. I've read endless pages of info
and still haven't found how to get this dll to load.


winmail.exe -- version consistent with 32 bit or 64 bit OS
msoe??.dll -- version consistent with 32 bit or 64 bit OS
msidcrl30.dll --- and so on


There are two Program Files folders, one for 32 bit programs,
one for 64 bit programs. This "recipe" is going to work better,
if your "donor" OS (the one where you have the working WLMail)
matches the bitness of the OS on the target machine. It would
be a poor fit, to go from a 32 bit Vista to a 64 bit Windows 8,
and expect an entirely smooth transition. You need to stick the
files in a different Program Files folder, as well as use
files which are appropriate for that folder (32 or 64 bit versions).


The computer these files were taken from are a 32-bit Vista. But they also
worked on my 64-bit W7 back home. I took the entire folder from the W7 and
the Vista and tried both. But I keep getting that MSOE.DLL could not be
loaded error.


AFAIK, if you stick msidcrl30.dll in the winmail folder, that
isn't likely to need regsvr32.


In (x86) or under regular Programs? OK, I put it both and still get the
MSOE.DLL could not be loaded error.




The other part of this recipe I don't understand, is the two
places you're working (some Program Files x86 work, and
alternately if you use the method, the System32). Those
are owned by TrustedInstaller. While you could use a tool
like TakeOwn right-click menu, to obtain ownership and
jam in your stuff, that's not the best thing to do. And
I'd surprised the people espousing this recipe, haven't
run into permission problems because neither they or
the administrator account, own the folders.


I've run into no problems with WindowsMail and adding that msidcrl30.dll.

So it should
be tough, to jam a folder in there. (TrustedInstaller
is actually a service and not an account as such.) It can be
fixed with TakeOwn, but don't be careless with that thing.
For example, do not click on the entire C: drive and do a
TakeOwn. That'll make a mess you'll regret later (like the
very next rollup package perhaps).


Rollup package?


I don't think any of these methods are sufficiently
automated for you. Too many variables left uncontrolled.

Make a backup first, then go nuts :-)

The "Tut" tutorial package mentioned in post #10, I
indicated in another posting, that it contains a
.reg file that needs to be merged. (Right-click the
file in File Explorer, and there should be a "merge"
option in the menu.) That installs the registry
entries in there. If you convert those strings to ASCII,
you can see what paths the registry file specifies. It
likely uses %% style environment variables, so you
would not need to add "RHBreener" into any of the
registry strings. The registry file should work
for anyone, as long as it is designed that way.
A clever person, could take that registry file,
and compare the entries (key names) to regedit
in Vista, and verify they're all the same
registry settings.


Way over my head. I just want to mention I can't follow #10 because I have
a Command Prompt but no choice to "Run as Administrator." How can I change
that? Google brought up endless pages with no explination how to add it to
the prompt's dropdown menu.



The thing is, if you accept "automation" from anyone
on the Internet, you're taking a chance. I usually
eyeball .reg files before I even consider using them,
just to be on the safe side. For example, all it
would take is a slightly wrong typo, to delete
a whole chunk of registry (because a .reg has both
(+) and (-) entries, and the (-) ones delete stuff).
Leaving me to scramble for a registry recovery recipe
(System Restore will do it for you, if you set a
restore point before doing this stuff).


I also always export the Reg when I change something there - which is rare.


If you feel up to experimenting, give it a go.
Otherwise, forget it. The instructions leave
a lot to the imagination (TrustedInstaller).





HTH,
Paul


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Old February 24th 15, 01:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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""...winston‫"" wrote in message
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brevity snip

If the Win8, upcoming Win10, WLM, Outlook MSFT *available* email clients
aren't one' choice cup-of-tea then test other 3rd party email clients
until finding one that is acceptable.


I've tried several and none are as easy to use as WM. I can't even get Agent
to send mail. They all seem to have all kinds of bells and whistles that I
don't need or want. It just makes them more complicated to set up and use.
Not all of us are savvy techies. I've been using Outlook Express and
WindowsMail since 1996 and really don't care to switch. I wish I could find
a really basic email program with the minimum amount of choices and things
to have to deal with.


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