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New laptop w/windows 8
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 18:42:03 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:08:58 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:37:22 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: Actually, some people call regular light switches toggle switches, Not me. As far as I'm concerned, a toggle switch is one that if you do the same thing to it each time, it reverses the setting. So a button that if you pressed it would turn the lights on, and if you pressed it again would turn them off, would be a toggle switch. A regular light switch has two different positions, one for on and one for off, and that's the opposite of a toggle switch. I'm sure you know that. I'm saying it for anyone here who doesn't know it. Did you look at my links? No. For some reason, neither one worked here. Yes, I'm aware you said "Not me" :-) But what do you call the switches I pointed to? When you go into Radio Shack or Home Depot, what do you ask for? I never go into Radio Shack. g If I go into Home Depot, I can find switches by myself in the electrical department, but I wanted to ask for them I would ask for light switches or wall switches. |
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New laptop w/windows 8
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:56:07 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:08:58 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:37:22 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: Actually, some people call regular light switches toggle switches, Not me. As far as I'm concerned, a toggle switch is one that if you do the same thing to it each time, it reverses the setting. So a button that if you pressed it would turn the lights on, and if you pressed it again would turn them off, would be a toggle switch. I believe that's called a pushbutton switch. It's most definitely not a toggle switch since your description precludes a toggle. A regular light switch has two different positions, one for on and one for off, and that's the opposite of a toggle switch. Actually, that's a common example of a toggle switch. The exposed lever allows you to toggle the switch to either of two positions. We obviously have different definitions of "toggle." But I've said my piece, and won't argue about it. |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 07:42:05 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote: A regular light switch has two different positions, one for on and one for off, and that's the opposite of a toggle switch. Actually, that's a common example of a toggle switch. The exposed lever allows you to toggle the switch to either of two positions. We obviously have different definitions of "toggle." But I've said my piece, and won't argue about it. Thinking about this some more, I clearly remember switches like that that were called toggle switches. I even called them that myself. So I'm wrong, and I apologize for my error. |
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New laptop w/windows 8 what a *&^%$# nightmare.
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 06:23:04 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote:
So can someone who knows please tell me how to add Administrator to the dropdown menu in Command Prompt? Perhaps this helps: http://www.howtogeek.com/194041/how-...n-windows-8.1/ |
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New laptop w/windows 8
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 07:40:11 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 18:42:03 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:08:58 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:37:22 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: Actually, some people call regular light switches toggle switches, Not me. As far as I'm concerned, a toggle switch is one that if you do the same thing to it each time, it reverses the setting. So a button that if you pressed it would turn the lights on, and if you pressed it again would turn them off, would be a toggle switch. A regular light switch has two different positions, one for on and one for off, and that's the opposite of a toggle switch. I'm sure you know that. I'm saying it for anyone here who doesn't know it. Did you look at my links? No. For some reason, neither one worked here. Yes, I'm aware you said "Not me" :-) But what do you call the switches I pointed to? When you go into Radio Shack or Home Depot, what do you ask for? I never go into Radio Shack. g If I go into Home Depot, I can find switches by myself in the electrical department, but I wanted to ask for them I would ask for light switches or wall switches. That is also true of me, but I had fun asking... If you want to look, I'll try bit.ly: http://thd.co/1DRms2r http://shack.net/1A3OYYH And if they don't work, here are the *huge* expanded links (I hope they work!): http://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-1...210757&cj=true http://www.radioshack.com/spst-submi...source=VigLink That should make it clear why I posted TinyURLs :-) -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:56:07 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
Not me. As far as I'm concerned, a toggle switch is one that if you do the same thing to it each time, it reverses the setting. So a button that if you pressed it would turn the lights on, and if you pressed it again would turn them off, would be a toggle switch. I believe that's called a pushbutton switch. It's most definitely not a toggle switch since your description precludes a toggle. Actually, in engineering, his description is *exactly* that of a toggle. The word has more than one meaning. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 07:56:38 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 07:42:05 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: A regular light switch has two different positions, one for on and one for off, and that's the opposite of a toggle switch. Actually, that's a common example of a toggle switch. The exposed lever allows you to toggle the switch to either of two positions. We obviously have different definitions of "toggle." But I've said my piece, and won't argue about it. Thinking about this some more, I clearly remember switches like that that were called toggle switches. I even called them that myself. So I'm wrong, and I apologize for my error. No worries. |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:54:33 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 07:40:11 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 18:42:03 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:08:58 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:37:22 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: Actually, some people call regular light switches toggle switches, Not me. As far as I'm concerned, a toggle switch is one that if you do the same thing to it each time, it reverses the setting. So a button that if you pressed it would turn the lights on, and if you pressed it again would turn them off, would be a toggle switch. A regular light switch has two different positions, one for on and one for off, and that's the opposite of a toggle switch. I'm sure you know that. I'm saying it for anyone here who doesn't know it. Did you look at my links? No. For some reason, neither one worked here. Yes, I'm aware you said "Not me" :-) But what do you call the switches I pointed to? When you go into Radio Shack or Home Depot, what do you ask for? I never go into Radio Shack. g If I go into Home Depot, I can find switches by myself in the electrical department, but I wanted to ask for them I would ask for light switches or wall switches. That is also true of me, but I had fun asking... If you want to look, I'll try bit.ly: http://thd.co/1DRms2r http://shack.net/1A3OYYH They both worked, and it's the radio shack one that's the kind I remembered being called a toggle switch. |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:55:54 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:56:07 -0600, Char Jackson wrote: Not me. As far as I'm concerned, a toggle switch is one that if you do the same thing to it each time, it reverses the setting. So a button that if you pressed it would turn the lights on, and if you pressed it again would turn them off, would be a toggle switch. I believe that's called a pushbutton switch. It's most definitely not a toggle switch since your description precludes a toggle. Actually, in engineering, his description is *exactly* that of a toggle. The word has more than one meaning. Yes and no. The physical behavior he described is that of a pushbutton switch, not a toggle switch. The electrical behavior is that of a toggle, however. I, and everyone I know in the electronics industry, wouldn't refer to a pushbutton switch as a toggle switch. It's universally understood that switches change state as a result of actuation, so it's customary to primarily refer to its physical properties when describing a switch. YMMV, as my engineering background is in telecommunications and computer networking, not electronics. My 20 years in electronics didn't include any engineering, unfortunately. |
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New laptop w/windows 8 what a *&^%$# nightmare.
Per R.H. Breener:
It didn't work anyway. I unchecked the box but still have to use my password. I wish I could have found a LP with W7 but no one was selling them. This W8 is the pits. I don't know enough to comment on the PW situation, but would add one more caveat: If your login is associated with a Microsoft account, get rid of that association. When I first booted up mine, I stepped through all the prompts and one of them led me into setting up my own Microsoft account and the laptop wound up being linked to that account. Bad Idea.... later on, for whatever reason, somebody can decide that something is not right with that account and you will get the dreaded "Cannot log in..." (or somesuch) At that point you may be SOL - either if you cannot recall the PW last used to log in to the laptop when it was offline or for some other reason I have no clue about. Google "windows 8.1 how to remove Microsoft account" for instructions. Maybe somebody who knows can comment on the benefit(s) of being connected to a Microsoft account.... all I can come up with are costs.... -- Pete Cresswell |
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R.H. Breener wrote:
""...winston‫"" wrote in message ... brevity snip If the Win8, upcoming Win10, WLM, Outlook MSFT *available* email clients aren't one' choice cup-of-tea then test other 3rd party email clients until finding one that is acceptable. I've tried several and none are as easy to use as WM. I can't even get Agent to send mail. They all seem to have all kinds of bells and whistles that I don't need or want. It just makes them more complicated to set up and use. Not all of us are savvy techies. I've been using Outlook Express and WindowsMail since 1996 and really don't care to switch. I wish I could find a really basic email program with the minimum amount of choices and things to have to deal with. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps WLM is as close to OE as it gets for the available and supported MSFT email clients. You must have used something else in 1996, OE first appeared in 1997. My first use was in the beta of MSN 2.6 which also included IE4.0. Shortly thereafter, it was included in the public release of Internet Explorer 4.0. -- ....winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 14:19:00 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:55:54 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:56:07 -0600, Char Jackson wrote: Not me. As far as I'm concerned, a toggle switch is one that if you do the same thing to it each time, it reverses the setting. So a button that if you pressed it would turn the lights on, and if you pressed it again would turn them off, would be a toggle switch. I believe that's called a pushbutton switch. It's most definitely not a toggle switch since your description precludes a toggle. Actually, in engineering, his description is *exactly* that of a toggle. The word has more than one meaning. Yes and no. The physical behavior he described is that of a pushbutton switch, not a toggle switch. T I gave an example of a pushbutton switch but I didn't mean to say that toggling meant pushbuttoning. And regardless of what I meant, as I already admitted, I was wrong. |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 14:19:00 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:55:54 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:56:07 -0600, Char Jackson wrote: Not me. As far as I'm concerned, a toggle switch is one that if you do the same thing to it each time, it reverses the setting. So a button that if you pressed it would turn the lights on, and if you pressed it again would turn them off, would be a toggle switch. I believe that's called a pushbutton switch. It's most definitely not a toggle switch since your description precludes a toggle. Actually, in engineering, his description is *exactly* that of a toggle. The word has more than one meaning. Yes and no. The physical behavior he described is that of a pushbutton switch, not a toggle switch. The electrical behavior is that of a toggle, however. I, and everyone I know in the electronics industry, wouldn't refer to a pushbutton switch as a toggle switch. It's universally understood that switches change state as a result of actuation, so it's customary to primarily refer to its physical properties when describing a switch. YMMV, as my engineering background is in telecommunications and computer networking, not electronics. My 20 years in electronics didn't include any engineering, unfortunately. But please note that I said "toggle", not "toggle switch". I really should have indicated why I did that :-) BTW, there are switches that look and seem to act like a momentary contact switch (I strongly prefer that nomenclature over "pushbutton switch"), but underneath the surface, they are actually a two position switch with an action analogous to that of a push-button ballpoint pen. I don't know that I agree that it's "universally understood...". I understand that switches and pushbuttons are expected to do something, but not that they necessarily change state (e.g., momentary contact switches). I don't agree with some other comments in this thread, but it's not clear that I am the one who's right in some cases, and it's also not clear that it's worth too much further effort. For one thing, most people seem to manage to understand the words in their contexts. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On 2/21/2015 11:05 PM, R.H. Breener wrote:
I just bought a new laptop with W 8 and have a few questions. How do I get rid of having to constantly put in a password to use it? It's frigging annoying as hell. The other question is how do I hack in WindowsMail like I did in W 7? WindowsMail works great in W 7 so I moved the folder to W 8 but it wont open. How can I get it to open? Please don't suggest other mail programs as I've tried most of the years and can't stand them. Thanks. I believe in one of your posts you mentioned something about returning the laptop? Well, if you can return it and get the same computer with Windows 8.1 you would be better off in the long run. Once you install the Windows 8.1 update the laptops recovery partition will no longer work. Along with some Windows 8 recovery options. |
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Ron wrote:
On 2/21/2015 11:05 PM, R.H. Breener wrote: I just bought a new laptop with W 8 and have a few questions. How do I get rid of having to constantly put in a password to use it? It's frigging annoying as hell. The other question is how do I hack in WindowsMail like I did in W 7? WindowsMail works great in W 7 so I moved the folder to W 8 but it wont open. How can I get it to open? Please don't suggest other mail programs as I've tried most of the years and can't stand them. Thanks. I believe in one of your posts you mentioned something about returning the laptop? Well, if you can return it and get the same computer with Windows 8.1 you would be better off in the long run. Once you install the Windows 8.1 update the laptops recovery partition will no longer work. Along with some Windows 8 recovery options. Which Windows 8 Recovery options would those be ? Fyi...once upgrading any pc including OEM units from 8.0 to 8.1 MSFT provides free-of-charge the ability for all 8.1 users to create Refresh and Reset Media -- ....winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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