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  #31  
Old February 26th 15, 06:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Char Jackson" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 15:45:26 -0500, "R.H. Breener"
wrote:

I just spent over an hour on eightforums and what they said to do doesn't
bring up any choices to run the Command Prompt as Administrator. There is
no info on how to get that choice to appear on the dropdown menu.


Use the Win 8 Snipping Tool to take a capture of the screen where you're
clicking, then upload it somewhere and post the link. You're obviously
doing
something wrong, but we're having a hard time seeing what it is. Opening a
Command Prompt as Admin works perfectly here.


That problem was solved. Someone suggested I hit Start/SearchBox/type
"command" and choose "Command Prompt" - and THERE IT WAS, "Admin: Command
Prompt."

It works the same as on Vista. I didn't know I could get it that way since
on Vista it's on the Start Menu as Admin already. Two clicks and it's open
on Vista. A lot of pointless negative changes in W8.

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  #32  
Old February 26th 15, 06:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 16:45:37 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote:

There is a Guest account on the right that is turned off by default I
guess.
And my account, on the left, RHBreener w/my email address and
Administrator,
Password Protected. So I suppose I'm the Admin. Those are the only 2
accounts there.


You are not "The Administrator", you are "an administrator" (an account
of *type* administrator).

That means an account with many but not all of The Administrator's
privileges.

The real Administrator account is hidden, but it is accessible by some
trickery.


And since I hope to have a new LP soon, what might that trickery be? I know
enough not to delete important files. I've made simple registry changes etc.
BTW, I think I'll wait until I'm back home in early April because the stores
there have a better selection of PCs, unlike here. No Electronic Express
here. Best Buy and Staples had little to choose from.


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  #33  
Old February 26th 15, 06:21 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Alek" wrote in message
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The real Administrator account is hidden, but it is accessible by some
trickery.


In the elevated command prompt, type

net user administrator /active:yes

and hit ENTER.

Tricky, no? :-)


  #34  
Old February 26th 15, 06:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 19:57:04 -0500, Alek wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote on 2/24/2015 7:29 PM:
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 16:45:37 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote:

There is a Guest account on the right that is turned off by default I
guess.
And my account, on the left, RHBreener w/my email address and
Administrator,
Password Protected. So I suppose I'm the Admin. Those are the only 2
accounts there.

You are not "The Administrator", you are "an administrator" (an account
of *type* administrator).

That means an account with many but not all of The Administrator's
privileges.


Which one are missing?


You tell me. I have no intention of doing that research - but thanks for
asking.

The real Administrator account is hidden, but it is accessible by some
trickery.


In the elevated command prompt, type

net user administrator /active:yes

and hit ENTER.

Tricky, no? :-)


Since you weren't able to figure that out from what I wrote: I had no
intention of posting that information in this thread.

If you wanted to tell R.H. Breener how to enable the Administrator
account, you also should have mentioned how to disable it. And why. And
while you were at it, you might have told him how to log in to that
account and how to set a password once he's there. Also how to get back
to his normal account...

You were not altogether responsible, IMO.


Would it be safer to use an Unlocker and the TakeOwnership programs rather
then this Administrator account? They allow any file to be renamed, moved or
deleted. I know when I try to install Winmail and do some file renaming and
removing, I'll need that ability.


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  #35  
Old February 26th 15, 06:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Ron" wrote in message
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On 2/24/2015 6:44 AM, R.H. Breener wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message
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R.H. Breener wrote:

"Live" wrote in message
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"R.H. Breener" wrote...
From the site someone recommended:

"Start Menu == All Programs == Accessories
Right click on Command Prompt
MenuPick "Run as administrator..." from the Alternate menu
presented."

I can't click on the Command Prompt to run as Administrator in W 8
as there is no MenuPick to "Run as administrator." '


http://www.howtogeek.com/194041/how-...n-windows-8.1/


I've been there already. There is no choice to click on for "Run as
administrator." It says Command Prompt and that's all. There is
nothing about running as an admin on the dropdown menu. It says
move, size, edit etc.

A person who is running ClassicShell, probably doesn't
use the big Start window with all the groovy tiles in it :-)

If you use that sucker (click the Start thing), and type
"Command Prompt" or "cmd", the Start window searches its
list of software and puts the search result on the right hand side.
If you right-click on the first item that comes back, one of the
options is "Run As Administrator".

http://i60.tinypic.com/k98h1l.jpg


The only thing that came up is the SAME Command Prompt window. What
other items do you mean? Just the one window came up. What else was
supposed to come up?


*******

Now, if you get this far along, "Command Prompt"
is already running. It's a bit difficult to elevate.
And you notice the window frame has only the ordinary
adjustments.

http://i62.tinypic.com/i27rph.jpg

Close that window for now.

Then find that Start button, and do it like in the first
picture. And right-click on the first result that comes
back.

*******


How do I get the tiles back? Even if I type in CMD the same window with
the same dropdown menu comes up with the same choices, none are run as
Admin.


For a stickler for details like yourself, note that
in this OS, the Command Prompt window has a mind of
its own.

On older OSes, you can open one "Administrator-powered"
command prompt window after another.

On this stinking OS, if you attempt to open a second
one (using the method shown in the first picture),
instead of opening a second Command Prompt, it
just whips you back to that first window you created.

If you attempt to open a second window which is
not elevated, then you can open a second command
prompt window.

And right off hand, I can't remember the fix for this.


The same window keeps coming up over and over with no choice in the
dropdown menu for Admin. This OS is the pits. I see no inprovement over
Vista and W 7. What was improved? It's worse - plus things are
missing we used to get. No email client. No Snipper Tool. What is MS
trying to prove? People are just being driven to MACS. I'm the last one
in the family to be still using Windows.

At least with W7 I could get WindowsMail working. I can't on the W 8 LT.



It is the same as Windows 7. Click on the start button (Classic Shell)
type "cmd" in the search bar "cmd" will appear. Right click on "cmd" and
select "Run as administrator".

There is a snipping tool. The same exact one that comes with Windows 7.


There was no SnippingTool in W8. I copied it from this old LT to W8.1. If
it was there, Search couldn't find it nor could I. Where has MS hidden it?


Also, Windows 7 does not come with an email client.


Yes I know. I copied WindowsMail from this old Vista LT to W7 and got it
working. But that was like two years ago. When I tried it on W8, now
returned to the store, I kept getting an MSOE.DLL error - that this DLL
couldn't be loaded. In any case I don't have to worry about that until I
get a new LT.





  #36  
Old February 26th 15, 07:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2/26/2015 12:52 AM, R.H. Breener wrote:

"Ron" wrote

There is a snipping tool. The same exact one that comes with Windows 7.


There was no SnippingTool in W8. I copied it from this old LT to W8.1.
If it was there, Search couldn't find it nor could I. Where has MS
hidden it?


Dunno why the search didn't pull it up. All I do is put "snip" in the
search bar and there it is.

  #37  
Old February 26th 15, 09:49 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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R.H. Breener wrote:

From the site someone recommended:

"Start Menu == All Programs == Accessories
Right click on Command Prompt
MenuPick "Run as administrator..." from the Alternate menu presented."

I can't click on the Command Prompt to run as Administrator in W 8 as there
is no MenuPick to "Run as administrator." '


You could always just create a shortcut to cmd.exe and check the "run as
administrator" box in the "advanced" section of the shortcut properties.


  #38  
Old February 26th 15, 10:14 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 19:37:58 -0700, "...winston‫" wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:26:12 -0500, Alek wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote on 2/25/2015 3:23 PM:
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 20:53:26 -0500, Cy Burnot wrote:

That means an account with many but not all of The Administrator's
privileges.

Which one are missing?

You tell me. I have no intention of doing that research - but thanks for
asking.

I just love guys who make claims that they have no intention of
substantiating!!

It's nice to be loved. Thanks.

If you care enough, do some research on your own. ATM, I don't recall
the things I had to do as *the* Administrator, and I don't particularly
care whether you know what they were.

I care when someone makes such a bold statement and then says, "I
forget". It's like denying that people had something to do with global
warming or that the proposed pipeline will create jobs that last more
than 2 years!

I guarantee you that I have relatively little to do with global warming,
but about the Keystone XL pipeline, I reserve comment. HTH.

I think I had a bold statement to make, but I forgot. Probably because
of years reading all the excess hot air that increasingly has global
impact on the value of newsgroups...or maybe the pipeline that provides
the feed really wasn't necessary.


I should have posted more discreetly. I forgot that you were monitoring
me :-)

So you caught me...perhaps I *am* guilty of contributing to global
warming.

Lol...we all do (moi included)...then again even the tools we use could
be contributory

See: Page 55-61
Indoor Pollutant Emissions from Electronic Office Equipment
http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/semin...one/mckone.pdf

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  #39  
Old February 26th 15, 08:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 00:13:15 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote:

It works the same as on Vista. I didn't know I could get it that way since
on Vista it's on the Start Menu as Admin already. Two clicks and it's open
on Vista. A lot of pointless negative changes in W8.


It's not in Admin mode in W7.

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  #40  
Old February 26th 15, 08:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 00:34:47 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote:

Would it be safer to use an Unlocker and the TakeOwnership programs rather
then this Administrator account? They allow any file to be renamed, moved or
deleted. I know when I try to install Winmail and do some file renaming and
removing, I'll need that ability.


I can't speak to safer, but I'm sure it would be a *lot* easier, which
is not to be sneezed at...

OTOH, they are probably safer too.

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  #41  
Old February 26th 15, 08:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 00:19:41 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote:

The real Administrator account is hidden, but it is accessible by some
trickery.


And since I hope to have a new LP soon, what might that trickery be? I know
enough not to delete important files. I've made simple registry changes etc.
BTW, I think I'll wait until I'm back home in early April because the stores
there have a better selection of PCs, unlike here. No Electronic Express
here. Best Buy and Staples had little to choose from.


I was hoping you wouldn't ask, actually, since I see it as a bit
dangerous :-)

There are several ways, but below is the one I know. Run it in an
elevated (run as Administrator) command prompt.

To turn it on:
net user administrator /active:yes

To turn it off:
net user administrator /active:no

After turning it on, switch user (Start button menu) and log in to the
Admin user (That's how I do it in W7; I forget the difference in W8, if
any).

When you're done, you should log out of Admin and switch back to
yourself, then turn the Administrator account off again, so as to
minimize certain malware risks, since a running or enabled Administrator
is (some say) dangerous.

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  #42  
Old February 26th 15, 10:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 00:34:47 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote:

Would it be safer to use an Unlocker and the TakeOwnership programs rather
then this Administrator account? They allow any file to be renamed, moved or
deleted. I know when I try to install Winmail and do some file renaming and
removing, I'll need that ability.


I can't speak to safer, but I'm sure it would be a *lot* easier, which
is not to be sneezed at...

OTOH, they are probably safer too.


Using TakeOwn from a menu, may affect more files or folders
than you really need to be modifying.

To get some understanding of what is going on, the
command line examples here are educational. And may
give ideas for more surgical attacks (limit the damage).

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/tims/archive...deletable.aspx

takeown /f %1 /r /d y
icacls %1 /grant administrators:F /t

In the first one, you don't have to use a "recursive"
option. You might consider removing the /r,
if changing the Program Files folder. That way, only
the top level folder would be changed, rather than
changing every program ever installed on the computer.

More info on takeown, here.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../cc753024.aspx

Paul
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Old March 1st 15, 03:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 00:19:41 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote:

The real Administrator account is hidden, but it is accessible by some
trickery.


And since I hope to have a new LP soon, what might that trickery be? I
know
enough not to delete important files. I've made simple registry changes
etc.
BTW, I think I'll wait until I'm back home in early April because the
stores
there have a better selection of PCs, unlike here. No Electronic Express
here. Best Buy and Staples had little to choose from.


I was hoping you wouldn't ask, actually, since I see it as a bit
dangerous :-)

There are several ways, but below is the one I know. Run it in an
elevated (run as Administrator) command prompt.

To turn it on:
net user administrator /active:yes

To turn it off:
net user administrator /active:no

After turning it on, switch user (Start button menu) and log in to the
Admin user (That's how I do it in W7; I forget the difference in W8, if
any).

When you're done, you should log out of Admin and switch back to
yourself, then turn the Administrator account off again, so as to
minimize certain malware risks, since a running or enabled Administrator
is (some say) dangerous.

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Will do. I can see the risk of leaving it on. Thanks.

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Old March 1st 15, 03:44 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Stormin' Norman" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 16:51:04 -0500, "R.H. Breener"
wrote:


"mechanic" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 04:50:55 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote:

I can't click on the Command Prompt to run as Administrator in W 8 as
there
is no MenuPick to "Run as administrator." '

Try entering 'command' in the search box, r-click on the 'command
prompt' choice that comes up.


Holy sh*t.... that worked!!!!!!!!!! After all this time and reading
online.
Thanks!


Glad you figured it out, Someone should smack the MS GUI designers.


I just can't understand some of the changes I found. They're so pointless,
but then I read more than once W8 was designed for Tablets, not computers.

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Old March 1st 15, 03:49 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"G. Morgan" wrote in message
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R.H. Breener wrote:

From the site someone recommended:

"Start Menu == All Programs == Accessories
Right click on Command Prompt
MenuPick "Run as administrator..." from the Alternate menu presented."

I can't click on the Command Prompt to run as Administrator in W 8 as there
is no MenuPick to "Run as administrator." '


You could always just create a shortcut to cmd.exe and check the "run as
administrator" box in the "advanced" section of the shortcut properties.


The below info worked. I will make a shortcut for it. It also works on
Vista, though isn't needed. I bet this code goes back to the first Windows
PC.

"mechanic" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 04:50:55 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote:

I can't click on the Command Prompt to run as Administrator in W 8 as
there
is no MenuPick to "Run as administrator." '


Try entering 'command' in the search box, r-click on the 'command
prompt' choice that comes up.




 




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