Windows 8 Install - Non UEFI Bios

Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not have a
uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed instructions? Also if
possible to install is there any problems with installing updates?
--
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 19:04:38 -0000, Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not have a
uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed instructions? Also if
possible to install is there any problems with installing updates?

I don't think it needs one, as I've installed it with UEFI disabled.

--
When shagging a goat you are best taking it to the edge of a cliff because they push back harder. -- Billy Connelly

Bill Bradshaw wrote on 3/16/2015 3:04 PM:
Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not have a
uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed instructions? Also if
possible to install is there any problems with installing updates?

What instructions do you need? Place DVD in drive, boot off DVD, follow directions.
Of course that's a bit abbreviated, but.

You're talking about a bios like in the olden days right?

There's a discussion here http://superuser.com/questions/61634...s-in-boot-menu

Big_Al wrote:
Bill Bradshaw wrote on 3/16/2015 3:04 PM:
Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not have
a uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed instructions? Also
if possible to install is there any problems with installing updates?

What instructions do you need? Place DVD in drive, boot off DVD,
follow directions. Of course that's a bit abbreviated, but.

You're talking about a bios like in the olden days right?

There's a discussion here
http://superuser.com/questions/61634...s-in-boot-menu

It is a computer with the older style bios. I do have windows 8 pro on
a DVD. The computer does have a dvd drive. It is currently running 32
bit windows 7 pro.

Bill

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 22:29:32 -0800, Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Big_Al wrote:
Bill Bradshaw wrote on 3/16/2015 3:04 PM:
Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not have
a uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed instructions? Also
if possible to install is there any problems with installing updates?

What instructions do you need? Place DVD in drive, boot off DVD,
follow directions. Of course that's a bit abbreviated, but.

You're talking about a bios like in the olden days right?

There's a discussion here
http://superuser.com/questions/61634...s-in-boot-menu

It is a computer with the older style bios. I do have windows 8 pro on
a DVD. The computer does have a dvd drive. It is currently running 32
bit windows 7 pro.


I have a computer with the older style bios (non-uefi). I did exactly
what Big_Al wrote to upgrade to Windows 8 pro.
"Place DVD in drive, boot off DVD, follow directions."


--
Kind regards
Ralph

Ralph Fox wrote on 3/17/2015 4:28 AM:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 22:29:32 -0800, Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Big_Al wrote:
Bill Bradshaw wrote on 3/16/2015 3:04 PM:
Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not have
a uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed instructions? Also
if possible to install is there any problems with installing updates?

What instructions do you need? Place DVD in drive, boot off DVD,
follow directions. Of course that's a bit abbreviated, but.

You're talking about a bios like in the olden days right?

There's a discussion here
http://superuser.com/questions/61634...s-in-boot-menu

It is a computer with the older style bios. I do have windows 8 pro on
a DVD. The computer does have a dvd drive. It is currently running 32
bit windows 7 pro.


I have a computer with the older style bios (non-uefi). I did exactly
what Big_Al wrote to upgrade to Windows 8 pro.
"Place DVD in drive, boot off DVD, follow directions."


Of course you do a full backup first right?! You surely don't trust MS to upgrade 100% right :-)
But my suggestion is, if you can, don't upgrade. Backup your files, get your install software in line, and make a
fresh install. I think you may find windows 8 may run better. It's been so many years now, but I bought into win8 on
day one and did the upgrade. Since then 8.1 has been made available as an ISO so now, not only do I not upgrade but I
jump right up to 8.1 without having to do that 8-8.1 upgrade too.

Big_Al wrote:
Ralph Fox wrote on 3/17/2015 4:28 AM:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 22:29:32 -0800, Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Big_Al wrote:
Bill Bradshaw wrote on 3/16/2015 3:04 PM:
Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not
have a uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed
instructions? Also if possible to install is there any problems
with installing updates?
What instructions do you need? Place DVD in drive, boot off DVD,
follow directions. Of course that's a bit abbreviated, but.

You're talking about a bios like in the olden days right?

There's a discussion here
http://superuser.com/questions/61634...s-in-boot-menu

It is a computer with the older style bios. I do have windows 8
pro on a DVD. The computer does have a dvd drive. It is currently
running 32 bit windows 7 pro.


I have a computer with the older style bios (non-uefi). I did
exactly what Big_Al wrote to upgrade to Windows 8 pro.
"Place DVD in drive, boot off DVD, follow directions."


Of course you do a full backup first right?! You surely don't trust
MS to upgrade 100% right :-) But my suggestion is, if you can, don't
upgrade. Backup your files,
get your install software in line, and make a fresh install. I
think you may find windows 8 may run better. It's been so many years
now, but I bought into win8 on day one and did the upgrade. Since
then 8.1 has been made available as an ISO so now, not only do I not
upgrade but I jump right up to 8.1 without having to do that 8-8.1
upgrade too.

I will do a full backup with both DriveImage XML and Macrium Reflect. I
do these every couple of days cycling through 3 portable harddrives.
Over the years I have been saved a couple of times.

I am going to give this a try.

Bill

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:04:38 -0800, "Bill Bradshaw"
wrote:

Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not have a
uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed instructions? Also if
possible to install is there any problems with installing updates?

Bill,

My backup PC is an older model and does not have UEFI bios. I
installed a 120GB SSD in that PC and then installed 64-bit Windows 10
TP on the SSD.

Before beginning the installation, I backed up my "C" drive, which was
running Windows 7 32-bit. One of the apps I installed on Windows 10
was EaxyBCD - to facilitate dual booting between Win7 and Win10, after
which I re-connected the HDDs.

EasyBCD detected Windows 10 and then asked if I wanted to add another
Operating System. After I specified Windows 7, followed by a re-boot
of the PC, I am now presented with a menu from which to choose an OS.

HTH,

Monty wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:04:38 -0800, "Bill Bradshaw"
wrote:

Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not have a
uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed instructions? Also if
possible to install is there any problems with installing updates?

Bill,

My backup PC is an older model and does not have UEFI bios. I
installed a 120GB SSD in that PC and then installed 64-bit Windows 10
TP on the SSD.

Before beginning the installation, I backed up my "C" drive, which was
running Windows 7 32-bit. One of the apps I installed on Windows 10
was EaxyBCD - to facilitate dual booting between Win7 and Win10, after
which I re-connected the HDDs.

EasyBCD detected Windows 10 and then asked if I wanted to add another
Operating System. After I specified Windows 7, followed by a re-boot
of the PC, I am now presented with a menu from which to choose an OS.

HTH,


That's one way...and a preferred route to dual boot Win7 and a later
Windows o/s since it avoids the latter o/s (8x or 10) of creating and
using the 8x/10 GUI booting menu.

i.e. disconnect old drives (Win7 o/s), connect a non o/s drive, install
Win 8x or 10, install 3rd party BCD edit software, shutdown, connected
other o/s devices, boot up into the default or choose o/s via bios
selection, edit BCD code to provide dual boot option.
- if done the other way - shut down Win7, connect SSD, restart,
install 8x or 10 to new drive...let 8x/10 create dual boot option.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not have a
uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed instructions? Also if
possible to install is there any problems with installing updates?

Your terminology is off a little. UEFI is a BIOS replacement, not a type of
BIOS.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/what-uefi

Yes, it is possible to install 8 on machines with BIOS. I have two of them
running. Its no different than a machine with UEFI. There are no special
instructions. What problems are you running into?

Big_Al wrote:

Ralph Fox wrote on 3/17/2015 4:28 AM:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 22:29:32 -0800, Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Big_Al wrote:
Bill Bradshaw wrote on 3/16/2015 3:04 PM:
Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not have
a uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed instructions? Also
if possible to install is there any problems with installing updates?

What instructions do you need? Place DVD in drive, boot off DVD,
follow directions. Of course that's a bit abbreviated, but.

You're talking about a bios like in the olden days right?

There's a discussion here
http://superuser.com/questions/61634...s-in-boot-menu

It is a computer with the older style bios. I do have windows 8 pro on
a DVD. The computer does have a dvd drive. It is currently running 32
bit windows 7 pro.


I have a computer with the older style bios (non-uefi). I did exactly
what Big_Al wrote to upgrade to Windows 8 pro.
"Place DVD in drive, boot off DVD, follow directions."


Of course you do a full backup first right?! You surely don't trust MS to upgrade 100% right :-)
But my suggestion is, if you can, don't upgrade. Backup your files, get your install software in line, and make a
fresh install. I think you may find windows 8 may run better. It's been so many years now, but I bought into win8 on
day one and did the upgrade. Since then 8.1 has been made available as an ISO so now, not only do I not upgrade but I
jump right up to 8.1 without having to do that 8-8.1 upgrade too.

I would install Win 8.1 and leave Win 7 on there too, using a dual-boot
scenario. Once you are happy and convinced Windows 8.1 is working for you,
then you can get rid of Windows 7 to save disk space. I would just keep it
though, in case Win 8.1 won't boot sometime down the line or becomes infected
with malware or something.

I always have more than one bootable OS on my machines in case of disaster
(strong word, but I think you know what I mean). Its so much easier to repair
the main OS and recover any data on that partition by booting into an OS that
is already working.

G. Morgan wrote:
Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not have
a uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed instructions? Also
if possible to install is there any problems with installing updates?

Your terminology is off a little. UEFI is a BIOS replacement, not a
type of BIOS.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/what-uefi

Yes, it is possible to install 8 on machines with BIOS. I have two
of them running. Its no different than a machine with UEFI. There
are no special instructions. What problems are you running into?

My problem right now is I tried installing 8 twice but it was taking so
long I am not sure if it was actually installing. The install program
was giving no feedback. For now I am on hold. Also I am now wondering
if this computer will run it. The hardware specs seem fine.

One thing I am trying to figure out is the bios setup is currently set
to boot legacy but can also be set to boot efi. So as I get time I am
trying to figure what the difference is between a legacy boot and a efi
boot. The computer manual, Samsung NP-P460 notebook, does not explain
the difference.

--
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska

G. Morgan wrote:
Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not have a
uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed instructions? Also if
possible to install is there any problems with installing updates?

Your terminology is off a little. UEFI is a BIOS replacement, not a type of
BIOS.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/what-uefi

Yes, it is possible to install 8 on machines with BIOS. I have two of them
running. Its no different than a machine with UEFI. There are no special
instructions. What problems are you running into?


Technically, yes UEFI and BIOS are unique terms...but marketing wise the
terms are interchanged and/or collective.
e.g. from Asus web site
qp
New UEFI BIOS – friendlier and more Intuitive
Exclusive EZ Mode adds useful info to become even easier
Media-renowned UEFI BIOS from ASUS provides the smoothest
mouse-controlled graphical BIOS,
/qp

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 10:11:22 -0800, "Bill Bradshaw"
wrote:

My problem right now is I tried installing 8 twice but it was taking so
long I am not sure if it was actually installing. The install program
was giving no feedback. For now I am on hold. Also I am now wondering
if this computer will run it. The hardware specs seem fine.

Did you run the Windows 8.1 Upgrade Assistant on your PC before you
started the installation ?

More information at:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-au/w...oad-online-faq

or, alternately, here http://tinyurl.com/ovjzwkq

....winston‫ wrote:
G. Morgan wrote:
Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not have a
uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed instructions? Also if
possible to install is there any problems with installing updates?

Your terminology is off a little. UEFI is a BIOS replacement, not a
type of
BIOS.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/what-uefi

Yes, it is possible to install 8 on machines with BIOS. I have two of
them
running. Its no different than a machine with UEFI. There are no
special
instructions. What problems are you running into?


Technically, yes UEFI and BIOS are unique terms...but marketing wise the
terms are interchanged and/or collective.
e.g. from Asus web site
qp
New UEFI BIOS – friendlier and more Intuitive
Exclusive EZ Mode adds useful info to become even easier
Media-renowned UEFI BIOS from ASUS provides the smoothest
mouse-controlled graphical BIOS,
/qp


Wikipedia is a good source of info.

According to this, UEFI is "further up the food chain" than
the Basic Input Output System (BIOS). The Wikipedia article
claims it's possible to work on a UEFI machine remotely,
with just UEFI running. A BIOS wouldn't do that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uefi

The Wikipedia article references this, where the claim is made
that you can work remotely with a UEFI machine (and no OS).

http://web.archive.org/web/201306260...-Your/ba-p/198

When UEFI has CSM compatibility modules, then it can
perform legacy BIOS functions, allowing an old installer
CD that only works with legacy BIOS, to be installed.

Much of the rest of the functions, seem to be
discovered and written about, over time. For example,
some guy has managed to make a piece of software
to add a boot manager to your UEFI machine.

http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/index.html

I used to think UEFI was "just a BIOS with graphics",
but apparently it's more than that.

Paul