Windows 8 Install - Non UEFI Bios

Paul wrote:
...winston‫ wrote:
G. Morgan wrote:
Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not have a
uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed instructions? Also if
possible to install is there any problems with installing updates?

Your terminology is off a little. UEFI is a BIOS replacement, not a
type of
BIOS.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/what-uefi

Yes, it is possible to install 8 on machines with BIOS. I have two
of them
running. Its no different than a machine with UEFI. There are no
special
instructions. What problems are you running into?


Technically, yes UEFI and BIOS are unique terms...but marketing wise
the terms are interchanged and/or collective.
e.g. from Asus web site
qp
New UEFI BIOS – friendlier and more Intuitive
Exclusive EZ Mode adds useful info to become even easier
Media-renowned UEFI BIOS from ASUS provides the smoothest
mouse-controlled graphical BIOS,
/qp


Wikipedia is a good source of info.

According to this, UEFI is "further up the food chain" than
the Basic Input Output System (BIOS). The Wikipedia article
claims it's possible to work on a UEFI machine remotely,
with just UEFI running. A BIOS wouldn't do that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uefi

The Wikipedia article references this, where the claim is made
that you can work remotely with a UEFI machine (and no OS).

http://web.archive.org/web/201306260...-Your/ba-p/198


When UEFI has CSM compatibility modules, then it can
perform legacy BIOS functions, allowing an old installer
CD that only works with legacy BIOS, to be installed.

Much of the rest of the functions, seem to be
discovered and written about, over time. For example,
some guy has managed to make a piece of software
to add a boot manager to your UEFI machine.

http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/index.html

I used to think UEFI was "just a BIOS with graphics",
but apparently it's more than that.

Paul

That's exactly what I thought it was initially (BIOS with graphics) then
as it was deployed...nothing was constant...different features depending
upon the p-c and efi/uefi/bios provider...then I finally had time to
look deeper at different mobo manuals...finally finding the Asus
UEFI/BIOS (and their included/optional utilities) approach more
intuitive and that comfort ended up being my last mobo choice
(Sabertooth Z87).



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....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 10:11:22 -0800, "Bill Bradshaw"
wrote:

G. Morgan wrote:
Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not
have a uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed
instructions? Also if possible to install is there any problems
with installing updates?

Your terminology is off a little. UEFI is a BIOS replacement, not a
type of BIOS.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/what-uefi

Yes, it is possible to install 8 on machines with BIOS. I have two
of them running. Its no different than a machine with UEFI. There
are no special instructions. What problems are you running into?

My problem right now is I tried installing 8 twice but it was taking
so long I am not sure if it was actually installing. The install
program was giving no feedback. For now I am on hold. Also I am now
wondering if this computer will run it. The hardware specs seem
fine.

One thing I am trying to figure out is the bios setup is currently
set to boot legacy but can also be set to boot efi. So as I get
time I am trying to figure what the difference is between a legacy
boot and a efi boot. The computer manual, Samsung NP-P460 notebook,
does not explain the difference.

In your BIOS, try changing the mode of SATA-0 (notebook primary hard
drive) from AHCI to ATA.

Also, if you have any externally connect storage, try disconnecting
it for the installation.

Let me know what happens.

I actually got the install to run and everything looked like it was
going great because it was doing the loading and rebooting and then I
got a message it could not install windows 8 and was restoring my
computer. I think this Samsung laptop has a custom BIOS and probably
can not run 8.
--
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska

Monty wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 10:11:22 -0800, "Bill Bradshaw"
wrote:

My problem right now is I tried installing 8 twice but it was taking
so long I am not sure if it was actually installing. The install
program was giving no feedback. For now I am on hold. Also I am now
wondering if this computer will run it. The hardware specs seem
fine.

Did you run the Windows 8.1 Upgrade Assistant on your PC before you
started the installation ?

More information at:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-au/w...oad-online-faq

This appears to be the problem:

Your processor doesn't have NX turned on or might not support NX
Setup will attempt to turn on NX during installation. If your processor
doesn't support NX, the installation will be cancelled and your PC will
roll back to the current OS.

The processor is a P8400.

Bill

Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 10:11:22 -0800, "Bill Bradshaw"
wrote:

G. Morgan wrote:
Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not
have a uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed
instructions? Also if possible to install is there any problems
with installing updates?
Your terminology is off a little. UEFI is a BIOS replacement, not a
type of BIOS.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/what-uefi

Yes, it is possible to install 8 on machines with BIOS. I have two
of them running. Its no different than a machine with UEFI. There
are no special instructions. What problems are you running into?
My problem right now is I tried installing 8 twice but it was taking
so long I am not sure if it was actually installing. The install
program was giving no feedback. For now I am on hold. Also I am now
wondering if this computer will run it. The hardware specs seem
fine.

One thing I am trying to figure out is the bios setup is currently
set to boot legacy but can also be set to boot efi. So as I get
time I am trying to figure what the difference is between a legacy
boot and a efi boot. The computer manual, Samsung NP-P460 notebook,
does not explain the difference.
In your BIOS, try changing the mode of SATA-0 (notebook primary hard
drive) from AHCI to ATA.

Also, if you have any externally connect storage, try disconnecting
it for the installation.

Let me know what happens.

I actually got the install to run and everything looked like it was
going great because it was doing the loading and rebooting and then I
got a message it could not install windows 8 and was restoring my
computer. I think this Samsung laptop has a custom BIOS and probably
can not run 8.

The Upgrade Advisor should tell you that at the beginning.

If you pass the Upgrade Advisor stage, have no existing applications
that aren't compatible and so on, the upgrade install should work.

On the other hand, if a necessary platform update is missing,
the Store is corrupted, the install can stop and back out.

There are individual SURCheck files on here, to verify the
current system Store is OK. These are huge, take a while to
download, and maybe ten minutes to run. (Make sure to download
the correct one.) I think I ran one for fun on one of my
systems here - perhaps before doing Win7 SP1 or something :-)

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/947821

*******

An install can realize it is busted and back out, but
there is one failure mode where it goes to reboot and
it can no longer boot. Just be glad it wasn't one of those
cases.

If you were missing an instruction set requirement, it
would have told you in a very short time.

*******

Also, during the installation, you don't have to "burn a key"
while installing. There are install-only keys, for getting
past the key prompt. With an install-only key, after the
install is totally done and you're happy with it, you can use
slmgr and install the real key and activate. The install-only
key cannot activate, and if left long enough, the OS
will become "not genuine".

Windows 8.1 Pro: XHQ8N-C3MCJ-RQXB6-WCHYG-C9WKB
Windows 8.1 Co 334NH-RXG76-64THK-C7CKG-D3VPT

Windows 8.0 Pro: XKY4K-2NRWR-8F6P2-448RF-CRYQH
Windows 8.0: Co FB4WR-32NVD-4RW79-XQFWH-CYQG3

It's probably irrelevant at this point, but that's one way to
take some of the pressure off. I used the Windows 8.1 Pro
one on my new system, to do the installation, then followed
up with the actual key later and activated.

HTH,
Paul

On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:03:22 -0400, Paul wrote:

According to this, UEFI is "further up the food chain" than
the Basic Input Output System (BIOS). The Wikipedia article
claims it's possible to work on a UEFI machine remotely,
with just UEFI running. A BIOS wouldn't do that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uefi

The Wikipedia article references this, where the claim is made
that you can work remotely with a UEFI machine (and no OS).

http://web.archive.org/web/201306260...-Your/ba-p/198

Sounds like a terrible security issue. Anyone could control
your notebook over the internet. No wonder HP pulled the page.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 09:33:59 -0800, "Bill Bradshaw"
wrote:

Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 10:11:22 -0800, "Bill Bradshaw"
wrote:

G. Morgan wrote:
Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Is it possible to install windows 8 on a computer that does not
have a uefi bios? If so, where could I find detailed
instructions? Also if possible to install is there any problems
with installing updates?

Your terminology is off a little. UEFI is a BIOS replacement,
not a type of BIOS.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/what-uefi

Yes, it is possible to install 8 on machines with BIOS. I have
two of them running. Its no different than a machine with UEFI.
There are no special instructions. What problems are you running
into?

My problem right now is I tried installing 8 twice but it was
taking so long I am not sure if it was actually installing. The
install program was giving no feedback. For now I am on hold.
Also I am now wondering if this computer will run it. The
hardware specs seem fine.

One thing I am trying to figure out is the bios setup is currently
set to boot legacy but can also be set to boot efi. So as I get
time I am trying to figure what the difference is between a legacy
boot and a efi boot. The computer manual, Samsung NP-P460
notebook, does not explain the difference.

In your BIOS, try changing the mode of SATA-0 (notebook primary hard
drive) from AHCI to ATA.

Also, if you have any externally connect storage, try disconnecting
it for the installation.

Let me know what happens.

I actually got the install to run and everything looked like it was
going great because it was doing the loading and rebooting and then I
got a message it could not install windows 8 and was restoring my
computer. I think this Samsung laptop has a custom BIOS and probably
can not run 8.

Looks like the newest BIOS version for your notebook is: ver.07LQ

What version do you have?

The BIOS is available he

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ow...NP-P460-AA01US

That is the BIOS version I have installed.