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OE Express Question
I see that Outlook Express is not available in Windows 7. I am trying
to implement OE Express in its place. I have been able to import my Outlook Express mailboxes (?identities?) into OE Express, and it seems to run okay. But I see no way to export (or save) my OE Express mailboxes for backup. In fact, FileExport is gray! So how do I backup/restore my mailboxes? I have looked at OE Express help and Google, but have not found any info. I also do not find any OE Express news group, so I am sorry if this is OT. XieXie Wei |
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OE Express Question I meant CLASSIC! Darn!
Gad! How dumb can this ass be? I meant CLASSIC when I said EXPRESS!
Here is my rewrite. On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 07:31:28 -0400, wrote: I see that Outlook Express is not available in Windows 7. I am trying to implement OE CLASSIC in its place. I have been able to import my Outlook Express mailboxes (?identities?) into OE CLASSIC, and it seems to run okay. But I see no way to export (or save) my OE CLASSIC mailboxes for backup. In fact, FileExport is gray! So how do I backup/restore my mailboxes? I have looked at OE CLASSIC help and Google, but have not found any info. I also do not find any OE CLASSIC news group, so I am sorry if this is OT. XieXie Wei |
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OE Classic Question NEVER MIND
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OE Express Question
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I see that Outlook Express is not available in Windows 7. I am trying to implement OE Express in its place. I have been able to import my Outlook Express mailboxes (?identities?) into OE Express, and it seems to run okay. But I see no way to export (or save) my OE Express mailboxes for backup. In fact, FileExport is gray! So how do I backup/restore my mailboxes? I have looked at OE Express help and Google, but have not found any info. I also do not find any OE Express news group, so I am sorry if this is OT. XieXie Wei I'd never heard of this, but I found the video trailer; http://www.softoxi.com/oe-classic.html I'm excited, and I've downloaded it to take a look. I'm a bit short of time to experiment at the moment, but I certainly will do when I can. Anybody else used it? I'm a bit sceptical because it looks like a one-man project, so there could be bugs. But sill, I'll reserve judgement. Ed |
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OE Express Question
"Ed Cryer" wrote in message ... I'd never heard of this, but I found the video trailer; http://www.softoxi.com/oe-classic.html I'm excited, and I've downloaded it to take a look. I'm a bit short of time to experiment at the moment, but I certainly will do when I can. Anybody else used it? I'm a bit sceptical because it looks like a one-man project, so there could be bugs. But sill, I'll reserve judgement. Ed Well I've just tried to access this newsgroup with it and it fails. I'm with Astraweb. It downloads the names of newsgroups and you can subscribe to them OK but it errors out when trying to access a specific newsgroup. www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/OE Express.png |
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OE Express Question
In article m, (Dave-UK)
wrote: Well I've just tried to access this newsgroup with it and it fails. I'm with Astraweb. It downloads the names of newsgroups, and you can subscribe to them OK, but it errors out when trying to access a specific newsgroup. www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/OE Express.png It seems to be good at double-posting too by the look of it! :^)) I've put Vista's Windows Mail on W7 which is as close to OE as you can get, but I'll probably use Thunderbird when I finally switch to using my W7 machine full time. Regards John ) Remove the obvious to reply... |
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OE Express Question I meant CLASSIC! Darn!
wei wrote:
I meant CLASSIC when I said EXPRESS! Here is my rewrite. wei wrote: I see that Outlook Express is not available in Windows 7. I am trying to implement OE CLASSIC in its place. I have been able to import my Outlook Express mailboxes (?identities?) into OE CLASSIC, and it seems to run okay. But I see no way to export (or save) my OE CLASSIC mailboxes for backup. In fact, FileExport is gray! I had seen a product that was an alternative to Outlook Express (that was supposed to look like Outlook Express) but couldn't imagine they would call the product Outlook Express Express. Just so others know what product you are asking about, it's at: http://www.oeclassic.com/ I think that's the one you meant. You still did not state if you are using the crippled free version (lureware) or their payware Pro version. A partial list of what you get in the full (paid) version (which also indicates what you do NOT get in the free/trial version) is at: http://www.oeclassic.com/order Most of it addresses product support. Alas, they don't provide a detailed list of what is missing from the free/trial version. All they say is the full/paid version has "all features unlocked". Maybe you should contact them (http://www.oeclassic.com/help) to check if one of those unlocked features is the ability to save a backup of the message store. They don't provide a user forum where you can ask for peer help (probably because they're interested in getting your money rather than supporting the product even if just to provide the bandwidth for a forum for "free" help from other users). On their Order page (http://www.oeclassic.com/order), they have a matrix showing what is missing from their crippled lureware version. I have 8 e-mail accounts: some for general use and some for special use (and some of those are opt-in-only accounts so only senders in a whitelist can get their e-mails into the Inbox). Their crippleware's limit of 2 accounts maximum was a critical reason for me not to use their software. The clincher for not using their lureware is that is also spamwa they will append their spam to every outgoing e-mail sent using their product. I will not become their spam affiliate just to get an e-mail client for free when there are other non-spamming alternatives. Because their freeware version does not support identities then it isn't beyond expectation that they limit other features, like message store backup (external to the program, like an export/import feature). If the program truly behaves like Outlook Express then you can simply save the ..dbx files to somewhere else. That would backup your message store but not the account definitions (which, in OE, has you export those settings into .rdf files). However, since their intent seems to ransom you to get all features by buying the full version, I would not be surprised that they do not use .dbx database files and instead use their own database manager. That is, once your data is in their product, it's locked inside unless you buy their product. The free version is lureware as it is a bit overly crippled. You'll probably have to spend the $20 to get their full version to unlock those important features -- or find a different AND FREE e-mail client. Since the File - Export menu entry exists but is grayed out (disabled) leads me to believe that it's a feature that you have to PAY for. They'll let you import your data into their product but ransom you to get it out. |
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OE Express Question
Ed Cryer wrote:
wrote: I see that Outlook Express is not available in Windows 7. I am trying to implement OE Express in its place. I have been able to import my Outlook Express mailboxes (?identities?) into OE Express, and it seems to run okay. But I see no way to export (or save) my OE Express mailboxes for backup. In fact, FileExport is gray! So how do I backup/restore my mailboxes? I have looked at OE Express help and Google, but have not found any info. I also do not find any OE Express news group, so I am sorry if this is OT. XieXie Wei I'd never heard of this, but I found the video trailer; http://www.softoxi.com/oe-classic.html I'm excited, and I've downloaded it to take a look. I'm a bit short of time to experiment at the moment, but I certainly will do when I can. Anybody else used it? I'm a bit sceptical because it looks like a one-man project, so there could be bugs. But sill, I'll reserve judgement. Ed Next please. What a pile of stuff! 1. Crashed when I clicked to re-sort post list on date. 2. Won't accept authentication connection with Eternal-September. 3. Couldn't reset font display size. 4. Clicked on Help in Win Menu, and address not found. It's gone from here. Ed |
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OE Express Question
"Dave-UK" wrote in message
Well I've just tried to access this newsgroup with it and it fails. I'm with Astraweb. It downloads the names of newsgroups, and you can Dave, you should post screenshots by including %20 for space like so: http://www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/OE%20Express.png --- Now it is clickable. We examined the problem and unfortunately the problem is with eu.news.astraweb.com server and not OE Classic. From your screenshot it is visible that the server sends it supports command "OVER". OE Classic attempts to utilize that command by sending "OVER 99032-100031" but the server replies with "500 What?" - 500 is a code for unrecognized command. So it says first it supports the command and after using it says it is unsupported. This is clearly wrong. First of all, server should not reply with 500 to command it claims it supports. OVER is a command many servers use and OE Classic simply utilizes it as it should. Next, we tried to reproduce this on another server - we tried news.aioe.org and there we got the following result: - AUTHINFO - USER - SASL - - HDR - LIST ACTIVE ACTIVE.TIMES DISTRIB.PATS HEADERS NEWSGROUPS OVERVIEW.FMT - OVER - POST - READER - SASL NTLM DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 PLAIN LOGIN - . - GROUP alt.windows7.general - 211 4520 67027 71546 alt.windows7.general - OVER 67027-71546 - 224 Overview information for 67027-71546 follows As you can see, OVER command sent by OE Classic sent OVER command here as well but it got result "224" which is "OK" result - showing both client and server operate correctly. Of course, list of messages was downloaded as well. Next, highest message number is 71546 and news.astraweb.com reports it is 100031. That number is too high (each time message is posted highest number is increased). As most recent post is from today and message number is 71546 on news.aioe.org this only shows that something is wrong with news.astraweb.com and that news.aioe.org works better. In fact, the only thing it shows is that Astraweb doesn't even carry alt.windows7.general group which is kind of odd considering it is not free to use server. If it works with other newsreader, it is only because they may have a fallback mechanism which utilizes older and more traffic intensive commands (which use more bandwidth or require more parsing). OVER is the most recent NNTP command and XOVER is less recent from quite a few years ago. Practically ALL servers should support at least XOVER. As OE Classic is biased toward more recent technologies we are not likely to tune it to support older commands - for example OE Classic supports 64-bit NNTP indexes where neither Outlook Express, Windows Live Mail don't. I am unsure about Thunderbird. Try alt.binaries.boneless and see what happens in OE Classic and other programs - that group has gone over 32-bit boundary. I would recommend you contact Astraweb and notify them of the problem with the server or use news.aioe.org as quick replacement for this particular group. Of course if you have further questions regarding OE Classic you are free to contact us via www.oeclassic.com/help page. |
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OE Express Question
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"Dave-UK" wrote in message Well I've just tried to access this newsgroup with it and it fails. I'm with Astraweb. It downloads the names of newsgroups, and you can Dave, you should post screenshots by including %20 for space like so: http://www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/OE%20Express.png --- Now it is clickable. We examined the problem and unfortunately the problem is with eu.news.astraweb.com server and not OE Classic. From your screenshot it is visible that the server sends it supports command "OVER". OE Classic attempts to utilize that command by sending "OVER 99032-100031" but the server replies with "500 What?" - 500 is a code for unrecognized command. So it says first it supports the command and after using it says it is unsupported. This is clearly wrong. First of all, server should not reply with 500 to command it claims it supports. OVER is a command many servers use and OE Classic simply utilizes it as it should. Next, we tried to reproduce this on another server - we tried news.aioe.org and there we got the following result: - AUTHINFO - USER - SASL - - HDR - LIST ACTIVE ACTIVE.TIMES DISTRIB.PATS HEADERS NEWSGROUPS OVERVIEW.FMT - OVER - POST - READER - SASL NTLM DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 PLAIN LOGIN - . - GROUP alt.windows7.general - 211 4520 67027 71546 alt.windows7.general - OVER 67027-71546 - 224 Overview information for 67027-71546 follows As you can see, OVER command sent by OE Classic sent OVER command here as well but it got result "224" which is "OK" result - showing both client and server operate correctly. Of course, list of messages was downloaded as well. Next, highest message number is 71546 and news.astraweb.com reports it is 100031. That number is too high (each time message is posted highest number is increased). As most recent post is from today and message number is 71546 on news.aioe.org this only shows that something is wrong with news.astraweb.com and that news.aioe.org works better. In fact, the only thing it shows is that Astraweb doesn't even carry alt.windows7.general group which is kind of odd considering it is not free to use server. If it works with other newsreader, it is only because they may have a fallback mechanism which utilizes older and more traffic intensive commands (which use more bandwidth or require more parsing). OVER is the most recent NNTP command and XOVER is less recent from quite a few years ago. Practically ALL servers should support at least XOVER. As OE Classic is biased toward more recent technologies we are not likely to tune it to support older commands - for example OE Classic supports 64-bit NNTP indexes where neither Outlook Express, Windows Live Mail don't. I am unsure about Thunderbird. Try alt.binaries.boneless and see what happens in OE Classic and other programs - that group has gone over 32-bit boundary. I would recommend you contact Astraweb and notify them of the problem with the server or use news.aioe.org as quick replacement for this particular group. Of course if you have further questions regarding OE Classic you are free to contact us via www.oeclassic.com/help page. Instead of OVER, should you be sending XOVER ? I can't (so far) find a reference to OVER. http://www.newsdemon.com/rfc2980.php Paul |
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OE Express Question
"Paul" wrote in message
... Instead of OVER, should you be sending XOVER ? I can't (so far) find a reference to OVER. http://www.newsdemon.com/rfc2980.php No, you are looking at older version of RFC from Oct 2000. It has been obsoleted by RFC-3977 from Oct 2006. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3977#page-76 OVER is more recent than XOVER. Newer servers should support OVER instead of XOVER, but in this case the server claims it supports OVER but when valid OVER command is sent it replies with 500 error. The only thing that can be done is to either implement some sort of fallback mechanism in client - e.g. to blindly use XOVER and hope it will work properly, which defies the purpose of complying to the standard. OEClassic automatically detects if server supports OVER and if it does it uses OVER. If it doesn't, then it indeed uses XOVER. There are no other fallback mechanisms because practically all servers support should XOVER, it has been around for ages. Besides, it works just nice on news.aioe.org with "OVER" if you look at my log so the problem is definitely with news.astraweb.com. If someone can test it with other servers, please feel free to report your results. |
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OE Express Question
After more examination we will probably implement a "legacy" mode for such
servers (option in Properties of account). But here is another proof that astraweb.com is not functioning correctly: "Personally, I would contact astraweb.com and let them know that their NNTP server is broken. They went to the trouble of implementing the newer CAPABILITIES command, but they violated a core requirement of it:" "The server MUST ensure that the capability list accurately reflects the capabilities (including extensions) currently available." http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3977#page-14 |
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OE Express Question
On 06/10/2013 20:12, John K.Eason wrote:
In article m, (Dave-UK) wrote: Well I've just tried to access this newsgroup with it and it fails. I'm with Astraweb. It downloads the names of newsgroups, and you can subscribe to them OK, but it errors out when trying to access a specific newsgroup. www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/OE Express.png It seems to be good at double-posting too by the look of it! :^)) I've put Vista's Windows Mail on W7 which is as close to OE as you can get, but I'll probably use Thunderbird when I finally switch to using my W7 machine full time. Regards John ) Remove the obvious to reply... Thunderbird is a good choice. I use it since I moved to W7. Fokke |
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OE Express Question
On 06/10/2013 17:42, Dave-UK wrote:
"Ed Cryer" wrote in message ... wrote: I see that Outlook Express is not available in Windows 7. I am trying to implement OE Express in its place. I have been able to import my Outlook Express mailboxes (?identities?) into OE Express, and it seems to run okay. But I see no way to export (or save) my OE Express mailboxes for backup. In fact, FileExport is gray! So how do I backup/restore my mailboxes? I have looked at OE Express help and Google, but have not found any info. I also do not find any OE Express news group, so I am sorry if this is OT. XieXie Wei I'd never heard of this, but I found the video trailer; http://www.softoxi.com/oe-classic.html I'm excited, and I've downloaded it to take a look. I'm a bit short of time to experiment at the moment, but I certainly will do when I can. Anybody else used it? I'm a bit sceptical because it looks like a one-man project, so there could be bugs. But sill, I'll reserve judgement. Ed Well I've just tried to access this newsgroup with it and it fails. I'm with Astraweb. It downloads the names of newsgroups, and you can subscribe to them OK, but it errors out when trying to access a specific newsgroup. www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/OE Express.png Doesn't even download the newsgroup names. Tried with 2 news servers. Fokke |
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