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Cant get dialup internet to work on ANY *NT* system.
I can only get dialup internet where I live (rural area). Well, ok, I
could spend a fortune every month for satellite internet, but I cant afford it. Anyhow, I can connect just fine to the internet using Win98se. (I'm using it now). I normally connect from 35K to 45K using a 56K modem. (It's usually fastest late at night when others are not using it). About 5 Years ago, I installed Win2000 on this same computer as a dual boot OS. I have never been able to get a decent connection. I can connect anywhere from 24K to 38K, but once connected, I cant get any data transferred after a couple minutes. Just to open one mesage on this newsgroup can take 5 minutes. I have tried over and over to get Win2K to connect properly, and finally just gace up. I'm using the same modem, same phone line, and same computer as Win98, except I'm using Win2K. Well, I just installed XP on another compurter as you have likely read in my other posts. It's XP Home SP2, on a Compaq Presario 5400US computer. The computer came with a built in 56K PCTEL modem. I have the same problem as I did using Win2K. I spend the last few days trying to modify the settings, and reading websites about this. No Luck!!!! I just physically removed that internal modem, and connected the same modem I am using now, in Win98. (external modem). I installed all the drivers, and connected. SAME ****! I am connecting at 38K, but no data gets transferred, or very little. It took 12 minutesx just to get a google start page to load. I'm at wits end. I feel it's hopeless. Maybe the NT OSs just are not made for dialup internet. I really have no clue what to do anymore, other than just stick with Win98. About the only thought I have, is to network the XP computer to my Win98 computer, and use the 98 one to connect, then use the XP machine to be able to use a newer browser. If that will work, I;m not sure... If anyone has any ideas, please post them, but I doubt too many of you are using dialup anymore, so I may just be ****ed.... I really dont have a clue what to try anymore. Ieven downloaded some software called Modem Doctor, and nothing shows a problem, except it wont connect. On top of that, I cant do the activation for XP, because that refuses to connect to the MS 800 number. I'll have to do that by phone I guess... |
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 20:22:35 -0800, "Bob F" wrote:
I never had a problem with NT or W2000 with my old US Robotics Courier modem, but I'm in the city. It's been awhile now. I chose to avoid "winmodems" that required the processor to do a lot of the processing. My father had a long line, and rarely got much better than 20-30kbps. If you picked up the phone and dialed a digit so the line went silent and listened to the phone, you'd hear a whole lot of noise and hum, which pretty much excludes higher speeds. He finally signed up for DSL, which worked a whole lot better and was actually pretty cheap. I dont think my external modem is a winmodem. It's a Creative Modem Blaster V.92 DE5721. That is the same modem that works well on Win98. The internal modem that /was/ in the computer (which I removed), was a PCTEL brand. I dont know if thats a winmodem or not. Bot hworks just as badly. There was also a network card in the computer, which just seemed to complicate my attempts to setup the network settings. I just removed that too. I spent more time reading online about dialup problems. Seems that a firewall can cause problems. I disabled that too (the one that comes with XP). Still nothing works. I connect, but there is no communication or data exchanged, seems it works for abotu one minute and just dies. I left it connected and tried to open a simple webpage. It remained connected for almost an hour, and during that time, about 500k of data was exchanged but that web page never loaded entirely. Yet it showed a 38.6 connection. I'm currently connected at that same speeed using Win98 and it's working fine. I normally get a faster connection but I connected during peak usage hours. But right now, I could download a 1 meg wallpaper (for example) in a few minutes. Or opwn a google start page in seconds. Another thing I seems to keep reading in web articles, is to check the TCP/IP settings. It's set to PPP. but when I get into the advanced settings, I have no clue what to do.... |
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I can only get dialup internet where I live (rural area). Well, ok, I could spend a fortune every month for satellite internet, but I cant afford it. Anyhow, I can connect just fine to the internet using Win98se. (I'm using it now). I normally connect from 35K to 45K using a 56K modem. (It's usually fastest late at night when others are not using it). About 5 Years ago, I installed Win2000 on this same computer as a dual boot OS. I have never been able to get a decent connection. I can connect anywhere from 24K to 38K, but once connected, I cant get any data transferred after a couple minutes. Just to open one mesage on this newsgroup can take 5 minutes. I have tried over and over to get Win2K to connect properly, and finally just gace up. I'm using the same modem, same phone line, and same computer as Win98, except I'm using Win2K. Well, I just installed XP on another compurter as you have likely read in my other posts. It's XP Home SP2, on a Compaq Presario 5400US computer. The computer came with a built in 56K PCTEL modem. I have the same problem as I did using Win2K. I spend the last few days trying to modify the settings, and reading websites about this. No Luck!!!! snip Go to "Control Panel", "Automatic Updates" and see if "Turn off automatic updates" is selected. If not, select it and click "OK". You also may have to use task manager to see if an update is currently being downloaded. Wuauserv, I think. Automatic updates can easily tie up a dialup connection to the point of being almost unusable for anything else. Ben |
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Ben Myers wrote:
Go to "Control Panel", "Automatic Updates" and see if "Turn off automatic updates" is selected. If not, select it and click "OK". You also may have to use task manager to see if an update is currently being downloaded. Wuauserv, I think. Automatic updates can easily tie up a dialup connection to the point of being almost unusable for anything else. Good point. |
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In message , Bob F
writes: Ben Myers wrote: Go to "Control Panel", "Automatic Updates" and see if "Turn off automatic updates" is selected. If not, select it and click "OK". You also may have to use task manager to see if an update is currently being downloaded. Wuauserv, I think. Automatic updates can easily tie up a dialup connection to the point of being almost unusable for anything else. Good point. They can make a broadband machine look sluggish too! First time my friend's Vista machine was connected to his new broadband, it was so unresponsive - not so much the connection, the whole machine - that I thought oh dear, if it carries on like this he'll lose interest. It was only when we closed down at the end of the day and it said it was installing fiftysomething upgrades that I realised what was going on. I'm not sure why it hadn't tried to download them when connected by dialup: maybe it had some way of detecting it was hopeless to do so. (Or maybe not: I do remember it wasn't that well-behaved on dialup.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf `A device called a transistor, which has several applications in radio where a vacuum tube ordinarily is employed, was demonstrated yesterday.' - small article on an inside page of The New York Times, December 1947 (Computing 1999-12-16) |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bob F writes: Ben Myers wrote: Go to "Control Panel", "Automatic Updates" and see if "Turn off automatic updates" is selected. If not, select it and click "OK". You also may have to use task manager to see if an update is currently being downloaded. Wuauserv, I think. Automatic updates can easily tie up a dialup connection to the point of being almost unusable for anything else. Good point. They can make a broadband machine look sluggish too! First time my friend's Vista machine was connected to his new broadband, it was so unresponsive - not so much the connection, the whole machine - that I thought oh dear, if it carries on like this he'll lose interest. It was only when we closed down at the end of the day and it said it was installing fiftysomething upgrades that I realised what was going on. I'm not sure why it hadn't tried to download them when connected by dialup: maybe it had some way of detecting it was hopeless to do so. (Or maybe not: I do remember it wasn't that well-behaved on dialup.) One of the several reasons I always turn off automatic updates. |
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micky wrote:
On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 23:01:31 -0600, wrote: On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 20:22:35 -0800, "Bob F" wrote: I never had a problem with NT or W2000 with my old US Robotics Courier modem, but I'm in the city. It's been awhile now. I chose to avoid "winmodems" that required the processor to do a lot of the processing. My father had a long line, and rarely got much better than 20-30kbps. If you picked up the phone and dialed a digit so the line went silent and listened to the phone, you'd hear a whole lot of noise and hum, which pretty much excludes higher speeds. He finally signed up for DSL, which worked a whole lot better and was actually pretty cheap. I dont think my external modem is a winmodem. It's a Creative Modem Blaster V.92 DE5721. I don't think any external modem is a winmodem or can be. External, as you know, is one which is one that's in its own box outside the computer's box, as this one is, This question was tougher than I thought. An easy answer, is the USB modems. I know some of those are "soft", so just a matter of looking them up until I find an example. To pick an example, I selected a USB dialup modem from Startech. Because I know Startech like to name the chip inside, making it easier for me to confirm. "USB56KEM3 Modem" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16825189003 Startech says it uses LSI/Agere - SV92U2C. http://www.lsi.com/downloads/Public/..._PB_041008.pdf Now, that datasheet says "soft modem", meaning the DSP is done by the host CPU. So that just digitizes the line, and carts the voice band samples over to the computer. ******* I found another doc, selected because I know US Robotics makes at least some modems with datapumps. This fact sheet describes three kinds of modems, whereas I thought there were only two. I had always thought WinModem = Soft Modem, but it looks like I was wrong. I can't imagine why someone would make a design with just a datapump, as the controller should be a dead-easy add-on. http://www.techdata.com/(S(pyvf5w55w...page-TD-11.pdf "Modem types Soft Modem - "GOOD" All processing is done by the computer and the modem is an interface to plug the phone jack into (aka Data Access Arrangement) Win Modem - "BETTER" Has a Data Pump Unit and a Data Access Arrangement but no controller onboard. Used with Windows based computers. Controller Modem - "BEST" Has all three major components for a modem on board - Controller / Data Pump / Data Access Arrangement " All of their RS232 "box" modems are controller ones. So I wasn't going to get an easy counter-example there. ******* This device is not on the US Robotics summary sheet. The USR5637 here is labeled as "High Performance". http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16825104006 As usual, I have to go to the USR site, to find a keyword I can use. This one says Controller. So now we have both types of modems available as USB ones. I had a hunch this one had a controller, as the price is a couple times higher. "56K USB Controller Dial-up External Faxmodem with Voice" http://support.usr.com/products/mode...sp?sku=USR5637 So that one has a datapump. And the weird part is, the Newegg reviewers say only one will work per computer. Unlike regular modems, their software doesn't seem to allow handling multiple phone lines. Even though the device is autonomous, they managed to bungle things such that only one of them work per computer. ******* I think there is enough bandwidth on an RS232 cable, to actually do a soft modem over RS232. If we digitize the ~4KHz passband of the phone line, that would require an 8KHz sample rate to meet Nyquist. If we collected 8KHz of 8 bit samples, that would be 64Kbit/sec. Doing some sloppy coding on the RS232 line (start and a couple stop bits), the data rate would be 64K * 11/8 = 88Kbit. And that would fit in 115Kbit/sec full duplex (so we could do voice samples in both directions). The 115K rate should be relatively easy for most computers (with sufficient buffering in the UART). Doing 230Kbit/sec, there might be a few older computer RS232 ports that don't work so well. Now, that being said, I can't find any soft modems with RS232 interfaces. Maybe they existed at one time, but I can't find one at the moment. Using the search engine, and using a few "minus" terms, I was getting mostly noise for search results. Summary of external modems I found: USB external with data pump USB external without data pump RS232 external with data pump I can't find any that look like this, that are "soft modems". Any I find in this form factor, are listed as "Controller". http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/25-104-011-V01?$S640$ HTH, Paul |
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