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On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 17:24:55 -0000, Mayayana wrote:
"Commander Kinsey" wrote | So damn useless then. The number of times I was asked (when working as IT support) for a way to simply edit a PDF slightly. Somebody wanted to change a few words, omit a section etc. Also my neighbour recently (as a landlord) wanted to edit a Council made document to make it suitable for renting a flat. Almost bloody impossible. That was the whole point of the document, to use as a template! | Certainly not a good template format. I use PDFs for business estimates and receipts, but I always write it in Libre Office as a doc. The PDF is only for sending to the customer. The thing is you never know when someone might want to edit what you sent. |
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"Commander Kinsey" wrote
| Certainly not a good template format. I use PDFs for | business estimates and receipts, but I always write it in | Libre Office as a doc. The PDF is only for sending to | the customer. | | The thing is you never know when someone might want to edit what you sent. So don't send a PDF. That's not what PDFs are for. I don't see the conflict. If you want to let them edit then why not send a TXT or DOC? I send a PDF *because* I don't want or expect that my customer will be editing my estimate. And they may want to print it out to be a comfortingly official looking piece of paper. Printable and not easily editable. That's what PDF is for. For any other purpose it's a poor choice. If I want them to edit something -- say a work punch list -- then I'd send TXT. (Personally I see very little use for DOC outside of offices. But some people live in MS Word and for them a DOC or DOCX seems convenient and sensible.) Then when you send the thing out as the official council announcement it can go as PDF. Even then, the PDF choice is only for the purpose of making the file seem officious and immutable. |
#123
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:34:24 -0000, Mayayana wrote:
"Commander Kinsey" wrote | Certainly not a good template format. I use PDFs for | business estimates and receipts, but I always write it in | Libre Office as a doc. The PDF is only for sending to | the customer. | | The thing is you never know when someone might want to edit what you sent. So don't send a PDF. That's not what PDFs are for. I don't see the conflict. If you want to let them edit then why not send a TXT or DOC? I send a PDF *because* I don't want or expect that my customer will be editing my estimate. And they may want to print it out to be a comfortingly official looking piece of paper. Printable and not easily editable. That's what PDF is for. For any other purpose it's a poor choice. And what if they want to use your nicely laid out estimate to do their own in the future? Don't be so mean! Don't make people reinvent the wheel! If I want them to edit something -- say a work punch list -- then I'd send TXT. (Personally I see very little use for DOC outside of offices. And if you want to send something editable that's fancier than text? DOC is the standard. But some people live in MS Word and for them a DOC or DOCX seems convenient and sensible.) Then when you send the thing out as the official council announcement it can go as PDF. Even then, the PDF choice is only for the purpose of making the file seem officious and immutable. I've had DOCX from many companies and it works just fine. Word used to be **** at printing if you had the wrong fonts installed, but that was last century. Why should they bother converting to PDF jut to annoy me? -- "No comment" is a comment. --George Carlin |
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"Commander Kinsey" wrote
| And what if they want to use your nicely laid out estimate to do their own in the future? Don't be so mean! Don't make people reinvent the wheel! | You sure do like to find things to complain about. My estimate is a work estimate, on my "stationery", with my businss logo. It's a business document. The estimate involves a commitment on my part to agree to a defined job for a specific payment. It's not for someone to edit willy nilly. What sort of person would want to use that so they don't have to "reinvent the wheel"? You can't imagine a case where a document shouldn't be editable? Perhaps you could send me your will and I'll make a few changes. Oh, and why not include a blank check for good measure? Don't be mean, now, and make me open my own checking account. |
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 19:59:03 -0000, Mayayana wrote:
"Commander Kinsey" wrote | And what if they want to use your nicely laid out estimate to do their own in the future? Don't be so mean! Don't make people reinvent the wheel! | You sure do like to find things to complain about. My estimate is a work estimate, on my "stationery", with my businss logo. It's a business document. The estimate involves a commitment on my part to agree to a defined job for a specific payment. It's not for someone to edit willy nilly. What sort of person would want to use that so they don't have to "reinvent the wheel"? You can't imagine a case where a document shouldn't be editable? Perhaps you could send me your will and I'll make a few changes. Oh, and why not include a blank check for good measure? Don't be mean, now, and make me open my own checking account. The question should be, why are you deliberately preventing them from editing it? Why do you care? -- "Buy one, get one free." Does it have to be in that order? |
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Commander Kinsey wrote:
The question should be, why are you deliberately preventing them from editing it?* Why do you care Copyright protection on original creative work. Allow others to view and print but not modify. -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |
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"Jonathan N. Little" wrote
| Commander Kinsey wrote: | | The question should be, why are you deliberately preventing them from | editing it? Why do you care | | Copyright protection on original creative work. Allow others to view and | print but not modify. | That, too. But in this case it's not even that. It's just common sense and good business. The same reason we don't write out checks, receipts and bills in pencil. The recipient has no right to change them and such a change could be harmful as well as criminal. I can only assume that Cmr. Kinsey has decided to play devil's advocate. His repeated questioning makes no sense. |
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 21:09:01 -0000, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote: The question should be, why are you deliberately preventing them from editing it? Why do you care Copyright protection on original creative work. Allow others to view and print but not modify. Copyright on a receipt, er what? -- My truck does not leak. It's just marking its territory! |
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 21:36:55 -0000, Mayayana wrote:
"Jonathan N. Little" wrote | Commander Kinsey wrote: | | The question should be, why are you deliberately preventing them from | editing it? Why do you care | | Copyright protection on original creative work. Allow others to view and | print but not modify. | That, too. But in this case it's not even that. It's just common sense and good business. The same reason we don't write out checks, receipts and bills in pencil. The recipient has no right to change them and such a change could be harmful as well as criminal. I can only assume that Cmr. Kinsey has decided to play devil's advocate. His repeated questioning makes no sense. Pssst, I can change your bill by simply screengrabbing it. Your feeble attempts are futile. Anyone who wants to change something will do so. -- "I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it." |
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In article , Jonathan N. Little
wrote: The question should be, why are you deliberately preventing them from editing it?* Why do you care Copyright protection on original creative work. Allow others to view and print but not modify. and sometimes not print. |
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In article , Commander Kinsey
wrote: | The question should be, why are you deliberately preventing them from | editing it? Why do you care | | Copyright protection on original creative work. Allow others to view and | print but not modify. | That, too. But in this case it's not even that. It's just common sense and good business. The same reason we don't write out checks, receipts and bills in pencil. The recipient has no right to change them and such a change could be harmful as well as criminal. I can only assume that Cmr. Kinsey has decided to play devil's advocate. His repeated questioning makes no sense. Pssst, I can change your bill by simply screengrabbing it. Your feeble attempts are futile. Anyone who wants to change something will do so. that won't change the amount you owe, and attempting to get out of paying that by altering an invoice is a criminal act. |
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Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 21:09:01 -0000, Jonathan N. Little wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: The question should be, why are you deliberately preventing them from editing it?* Why do you care Copyright protection on original creative work. Allow others to view and print but not modify. Copyright on a receipt, er what? PDF for graphics and artwork. -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 23:20:54 -0000, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote: On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 21:09:01 -0000, Jonathan N. Little wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: The question should be, why are you deliberately preventing them from editing it? Why do you care Copyright protection on original creative work. Allow others to view and print but not modify. Copyright on a receipt, er what? PDF for graphics and artwork. Do you really think we can't press "printscreen"? -- "C++" should have been called "D" |
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"Commander Kinsey" wrote
| PDF for graphics and artwork. | | Do you really think we can't press "printscreen"? | Yes. You can also counterfeit money. But there's a difference between giving you a high quality TIF vs a lower quality JPG in a PDF that you then copy at 96 ppi. Getting good quality from that will be harder or impossible. And there's a deliberate effort required on your part to break the law. Many people will pick up a wallet on the street and not tell anyone if no one sees them. Few people will actually pick your pocket and consciously steal your wallet. PDFs are similar. It's the same with my receipts. You can alter my receipt to say you paid me 10,000 pounds rather than 1,000. But you'll need slight tech expertise (which rules out most people) and you'll need to make a deliberate effort to forge the receipt. That's a more clearcut crime than having a TXT or DOC and.... woops.... "I don't know how the numbers got changed." You can then deduct 10,000 off your taxes and may not get caught, but if the tax man checks he'll find out that you forged my receipt. And he'll know that you had to go to some effort to do that. In fact, if you only had a TXT or DOC receipt that same tax man might insist on confirming the payment with me, since TXT or DOC wouldn't look like a real receipt. But I don't mean to disagree with you. I think your view is very intelligent and well thought out. And since we both agree I expect you'll have no hesitation in sending me a signed, blank check, since I could fake it anyway, if you don't. So you may as well. You can fill out the amount in pencil if you like. |
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 01:33:25 -0000, Mayayana wrote:
"Commander Kinsey" wrote | PDF for graphics and artwork. | | Do you really think we can't press "printscreen"? | Yes. You can also counterfeit money. But there's a difference between giving you a high quality TIF vs a lower quality JPG in a PDF that you then copy at 96 ppi. Getting good quality from that will be harder or impossible. I can get whatever quality you put in the PDF. Same as I can get whatever quality you put in a Word document. The PDF doesn't protect you, you're hiding your head in the sand. And there's a deliberate effort required on your part to break the law. Predsing one key on my keyboard ain't breaking the law. If the image is on my screen, I can do whatever the **** I like with it. Many people will pick up a wallet on the street and not tell anyone if no one sees them. Few people will actually pick your pocket and consciously steal your wallet. PDFs are similar. No, as when I take the image from "your" PDF, you still have that image. If I take your wallet, you lose it. It's the same with my receipts. You can alter my receipt to say you paid me 10,000 pounds rather than 1,000. But you'll need slight tech expertise (which rules out most people) and you'll need to make a deliberate effort to forge the receipt. That's a more clearcut crime than having a TXT or DOC and.... woops.... "I don't know how the numbers got changed." I never mentioned altering the receipt, I was talking about re-using it as a convenient template. You can then deduct 10,000 off your taxes and may not get caught, but if the tax man checks he'll find out that you forged my receipt. And he'll know that you had to go to some effort to do that. In fact, if you only had a TXT or DOC receipt that same tax man might insist on confirming the payment with me, since TXT or DOC wouldn't look like a real receipt. Tax men aren't clever enough. But I don't mean to disagree with you. I think your view is very intelligent and well thought out. And since we both agree I expect you'll have no hesitation in sending me a signed, blank check, since I could fake it anyway, if you don't. So you may as well. You can fill out the amount in pencil if you like. I can't steal your money by altering your document. -- "Good morning" is a contradiction in terms. |
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