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How to increase system system performance
"John John - MVP" wrote in message ... Tae Song wrote: "John John - MVP" wrote in message ... Tae Song wrote: "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... Tae Song wrote: I thought I would share this with you all, a few little tricks to boost Windows performance. If you have a spare USB flash drive or you are willing to get a cheap say 1GB flash drive. First we plug in the flash drive. Go to Disk Manager and assign it a drive letter, like Z: (this is just to get it out of the way and optional) Go to Advanced system settings, Evironment variables. Change the Temp variable under User to Z:\ (I didn't see any point creating folders, but that's optional) Change the Temp variable under System variable to Z:\ This will cut down on I/O traffic to the hard drive. Starting an app like Word, would cause the HD to read the program into memory while at the same time writing into the drive, temporary files. This causes an I/O queue to form and degrade Windows performance. By off loading some of the I/O traffic to another storage device, the hard drive read/write head doesn't have to move around as much either. All performance gains. I don't think so!! There will be a performance LOSS, in large part due to the much longer write times to a flash drive. Also, it's generally a poor idea to have so many continuous writes to a flash drive, as flash drives have a more limited number of write cycles. snip rest of this post You don't need an extremely high write speed. A lot of times temp files are just empty files, many are 0 bytes. Almost all are under 700KB. Even at a write speed of of say a low of 5MB/s is still only a fraction of a sec. This keeps the read/write head from thrashing about creating and updating file records. And just to up the ante, I enabled disk compression on the USB drives to reduce the size of the writes. This notion of yours is getting loopier with each of your replies. Now you think that enabling compression is going to compensate for the slower USB flash drives and increase performance because the writes are going to be smaller, yet you fail to take into consideration the overhead involved into compressing and decompressing files. John Over head is insignificant, even for a single core CPUs. 8.5GB/s transfer rate from RAM is slow for a CPU. Compression is just something to do while it waits for the next byte to come by. And I'm running on a Core2 Quad. Overhead for compression is next to nothing. So that will make your USB drive faster than an internal hard drive? If that is the case why not just compress the files on the hard drive and make the internal hard drive that much faster than the USB flash drive? You are grasping at straws, the plain facts are that USB flash drives are slower than internal hard disks and whether you want to admit it or not there is an overhead when file compression is involved and even if you compress the files the USB drive will still be slower than the internal drive. The subject of your post is "How to increase system system performance" yet everything that you propose (including compression) has the opposite effect! John OK very last post on this subject... hopefully. Yes, in a certain specific case compression could make even a slow USB drive faster than even a hard drive. The requirement would be the file would have to be very compressible. I did try compressing the whole hard drive to see if would improve performance on a Windows XP machine. I didn't know it at the time, but Windows will compress the Bootmgr if you don't exclude it. Nice of Microsoft to at least tell you what the problem is when you try to reboot. Bootmgr is compressed, LOL! I will give that another try, one folder at a time on this machine. I'm sorry I don't have benchmarks to back up the any claim... I'm just too lazy to do one and I can't seem to find a free storage benchmark program that I like. Actually I don't really care, I just like this setup, it works for me. People have a hard time keeping the computer up and running as it is, they don't really need another factor to complicate their setup. Gnu Image Manipulation Program 2.6.6 takes the longest time to start for me on this machine. Used to take over 10sec, now 4.33sec on a stopwatch. Not very scientific but there you go. |
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How to increase system system performance
"Tae Song" wrote in message ... OK very last post on this subject... hopefully. I'm sorry I don't have benchmarks to back up the any claim... I'm just too lazy to do one and I can't seem to find a free storage benchmark program that I like. Actually I don't really care, I just like this setup, it works for me. Not very scientific but there you go. In other words: You like the slow-down you designed for your machine and you insist telling everyone about it, dressing it up as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Do you really expect anyone to believe your claims when, by your own admission, you're too lazy to verify them? |
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How to increase system system performance
"Tae Song" wrote in message ... OK very last post on this subject... hopefully. I'm sorry I don't have benchmarks to back up the any claim... I'm just too lazy to do one and I can't seem to find a free storage benchmark program that I like. Actually I don't really care, I just like this setup, it works for me. Not very scientific but there you go. In other words: You like the slow-down you designed for your machine and you insist telling everyone about it, dressing it up as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Do you really expect anyone to believe your claims when, by your own admission, you're too lazy to verify them? |
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How to increase system system performance
Tae Song wrote:
... People have a hard time keeping the computer up and running as it is, they don't really need another factor to complicate their setup. Exactly. All the more reason why they shouldn't bother with your "performance tweaks". John |
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How to increase system system performance
Tae Song wrote:
... People have a hard time keeping the computer up and running as it is, they don't really need another factor to complicate their setup. Exactly. All the more reason why they shouldn't bother with your "performance tweaks". John |
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How to increase system system performance
"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message ... "Tae Song" wrote in message ... OK very last post on this subject... hopefully. I'm sorry I don't have benchmarks to back up the any claim... I'm just too lazy to do one and I can't seem to find a free storage benchmark program that I like. Actually I don't really care, I just like this setup, it works for me. Not very scientific but there you go. In other words: You like the slow-down you designed for your machine and you insist telling everyone about it, dressing it up as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Do you really expect anyone to believe your claims when, by your own admission, you're too lazy to verify them? I thought up a better way to illustrate my point, so I didn't resist posting this... shame on me. When loading an application, Windows reads files from the hard drive into memory while creating temp files. That's read throughput (hard drive) + write throughput (USB drive) is greater than the throughput of hard drive alone. It's not a competition about which drive is faster. And read and write operations described previously can occur side-by-side, where as on the hard drive read and write would have to be queued. (Temp files on flash drive) USB ++++* HD ---------- (Temp files on hard drive) USB HD --o++------- o = overhead for extra seeks associated with having the temp files on the hard drive. * I put in an extra ++ for temp files on flash drive since writes are slower and also to illustrate why it doesn't matter. I did think up of what I thought was the best way to benchmark and illustrate the performance difference. It requires the setup of identical hardware to isolate any variables down to just the temp file locations. It would be preferable to have one set of input devices for both computers so they are getting the same input at the same time. But I just don't have that kind of money. Anyways, even if I did tons of benchmarks on MY hardware. It doesn't mean you will get the same results on YOUR hardware. You will just have to test out the idea for yourself, unless you don't want to find out on your own. |
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How to increase system system performance
"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message ... "Tae Song" wrote in message ... OK very last post on this subject... hopefully. I'm sorry I don't have benchmarks to back up the any claim... I'm just too lazy to do one and I can't seem to find a free storage benchmark program that I like. Actually I don't really care, I just like this setup, it works for me. Not very scientific but there you go. In other words: You like the slow-down you designed for your machine and you insist telling everyone about it, dressing it up as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Do you really expect anyone to believe your claims when, by your own admission, you're too lazy to verify them? I thought up a better way to illustrate my point, so I didn't resist posting this... shame on me. When loading an application, Windows reads files from the hard drive into memory while creating temp files. That's read throughput (hard drive) + write throughput (USB drive) is greater than the throughput of hard drive alone. It's not a competition about which drive is faster. And read and write operations described previously can occur side-by-side, where as on the hard drive read and write would have to be queued. (Temp files on flash drive) USB ++++* HD ---------- (Temp files on hard drive) USB HD --o++------- o = overhead for extra seeks associated with having the temp files on the hard drive. * I put in an extra ++ for temp files on flash drive since writes are slower and also to illustrate why it doesn't matter. I did think up of what I thought was the best way to benchmark and illustrate the performance difference. It requires the setup of identical hardware to isolate any variables down to just the temp file locations. It would be preferable to have one set of input devices for both computers so they are getting the same input at the same time. But I just don't have that kind of money. Anyways, even if I did tons of benchmarks on MY hardware. It doesn't mean you will get the same results on YOUR hardware. You will just have to test out the idea for yourself, unless you don't want to find out on your own. |
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How to increase system system performance
"Tae Song" wrote in message ... "Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message ... "Tae Song" wrote in message ... OK very last post on this subject... hopefully. I'm sorry I don't have benchmarks to back up the any claim... I'm just too lazy to do one and I can't seem to find a free storage benchmark program that I like. Actually I don't really care, I just like this setup, it works for me. Not very scientific but there you go. In other words: You like the slow-down you designed for your machine and you insist telling everyone about it, dressing it up as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Do you really expect anyone to believe your claims when, by your own admission, you're too lazy to verify them? I thought up a better way to illustrate my point, so I didn't resist posting this... shame on me. When loading an application, Windows reads files from the hard drive into memory while creating temp files. That's read throughput (hard drive) + write throughput (USB drive) is greater than the throughput of hard drive alone. It's not a competition about which drive is faster. And read and write operations described previously can occur side-by-side, where as on the hard drive read and write would have to be queued. (Temp files on flash drive) USB ++++* HD ---------- (Temp files on hard drive) USB HD --o++------- o = overhead for extra seeks associated with having the temp files on the hard drive. * I put in an extra ++ for temp files on flash drive since writes are slower and also to illustrate why it doesn't matter. I did think up of what I thought was the best way to benchmark and illustrate the performance difference. It requires the setup of identical hardware to isolate any variables down to just the temp file locations. It would be preferable to have one set of input devices for both computers so they are getting the same input at the same time. But I just don't have that kind of money. Anyways, even if I did tons of benchmarks on MY hardware. It doesn't mean you will get the same results on YOUR hardware. You will just have to test out the idea for yourself, unless you don't want to find out on your own. What you describe is some general consideration about a benchmark test. It is not a step-by-step recipe that anyone can test on his own machine to verify your claims. To stand up to scrutiny, your test would need to consist of a detailed set of precise instructions. Let's see them! |
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How to increase system system performance
"Tae Song" wrote in message ... "Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message ... "Tae Song" wrote in message ... OK very last post on this subject... hopefully. I'm sorry I don't have benchmarks to back up the any claim... I'm just too lazy to do one and I can't seem to find a free storage benchmark program that I like. Actually I don't really care, I just like this setup, it works for me. Not very scientific but there you go. In other words: You like the slow-down you designed for your machine and you insist telling everyone about it, dressing it up as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Do you really expect anyone to believe your claims when, by your own admission, you're too lazy to verify them? I thought up a better way to illustrate my point, so I didn't resist posting this... shame on me. When loading an application, Windows reads files from the hard drive into memory while creating temp files. That's read throughput (hard drive) + write throughput (USB drive) is greater than the throughput of hard drive alone. It's not a competition about which drive is faster. And read and write operations described previously can occur side-by-side, where as on the hard drive read and write would have to be queued. (Temp files on flash drive) USB ++++* HD ---------- (Temp files on hard drive) USB HD --o++------- o = overhead for extra seeks associated with having the temp files on the hard drive. * I put in an extra ++ for temp files on flash drive since writes are slower and also to illustrate why it doesn't matter. I did think up of what I thought was the best way to benchmark and illustrate the performance difference. It requires the setup of identical hardware to isolate any variables down to just the temp file locations. It would be preferable to have one set of input devices for both computers so they are getting the same input at the same time. But I just don't have that kind of money. Anyways, even if I did tons of benchmarks on MY hardware. It doesn't mean you will get the same results on YOUR hardware. You will just have to test out the idea for yourself, unless you don't want to find out on your own. What you describe is some general consideration about a benchmark test. It is not a step-by-step recipe that anyone can test on his own machine to verify your claims. To stand up to scrutiny, your test would need to consist of a detailed set of precise instructions. Let's see them! |
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I have never seen any evidence or even ever heard of Windows creating any
"Temp" files on any drive when loading an application. If you run Excel it loads excel.exe in memory and then loads or creates a new .xls spreadsheet file in memory there are no other/temp files created. "Tae Song" wrote in message ... "Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message ... "Tae Song" wrote in message ... OK very last post on this subject... hopefully. I'm sorry I don't have benchmarks to back up the any claim... I'm just too lazy to do one and I can't seem to find a free storage benchmark program that I like. Actually I don't really care, I just like this setup, it works for me. Not very scientific but there you go. In other words: You like the slow-down you designed for your machine and you insist telling everyone about it, dressing it up as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Do you really expect anyone to believe your claims when, by your own admission, you're too lazy to verify them? I thought up a better way to illustrate my point, so I didn't resist posting this... shame on me. When loading an application, Windows reads files from the hard drive into memory while creating temp files. That's read throughput (hard drive) + write throughput (USB drive) is greater than the throughput of hard drive alone. It's not a competition about which drive is faster. And read and write operations described previously can occur side-by-side, where as on the hard drive read and write would have to be queued. (Temp files on flash drive) USB ++++* HD ---------- (Temp files on hard drive) USB HD --o++------- o = overhead for extra seeks associated with having the temp files on the hard drive. * I put in an extra ++ for temp files on flash drive since writes are slower and also to illustrate why it doesn't matter. I did think up of what I thought was the best way to benchmark and illustrate the performance difference. It requires the setup of identical hardware to isolate any variables down to just the temp file locations. It would be preferable to have one set of input devices for both computers so they are getting the same input at the same time. But I just don't have that kind of money. Anyways, even if I did tons of benchmarks on MY hardware. It doesn't mean you will get the same results on YOUR hardware. You will just have to test out the idea for yourself, unless you don't want to find out on your own. |
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I have never seen any evidence or even ever heard of Windows creating any
"Temp" files on any drive when loading an application. If you run Excel it loads excel.exe in memory and then loads or creates a new .xls spreadsheet file in memory there are no other/temp files created. "Tae Song" wrote in message ... "Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message ... "Tae Song" wrote in message ... OK very last post on this subject... hopefully. I'm sorry I don't have benchmarks to back up the any claim... I'm just too lazy to do one and I can't seem to find a free storage benchmark program that I like. Actually I don't really care, I just like this setup, it works for me. Not very scientific but there you go. In other words: You like the slow-down you designed for your machine and you insist telling everyone about it, dressing it up as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Do you really expect anyone to believe your claims when, by your own admission, you're too lazy to verify them? I thought up a better way to illustrate my point, so I didn't resist posting this... shame on me. When loading an application, Windows reads files from the hard drive into memory while creating temp files. That's read throughput (hard drive) + write throughput (USB drive) is greater than the throughput of hard drive alone. It's not a competition about which drive is faster. And read and write operations described previously can occur side-by-side, where as on the hard drive read and write would have to be queued. (Temp files on flash drive) USB ++++* HD ---------- (Temp files on hard drive) USB HD --o++------- o = overhead for extra seeks associated with having the temp files on the hard drive. * I put in an extra ++ for temp files on flash drive since writes are slower and also to illustrate why it doesn't matter. I did think up of what I thought was the best way to benchmark and illustrate the performance difference. It requires the setup of identical hardware to isolate any variables down to just the temp file locations. It would be preferable to have one set of input devices for both computers so they are getting the same input at the same time. But I just don't have that kind of money. Anyways, even if I did tons of benchmarks on MY hardware. It doesn't mean you will get the same results on YOUR hardware. You will just have to test out the idea for yourself, unless you don't want to find out on your own. |
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"Curious" wrote in message ... I have never seen any evidence or even ever heard of Windows creating any "Temp" files on any drive when loading an application. If you run Excel it loads excel.exe in memory and then loads or creates a new .xls spreadsheet file in memory there are no other/temp files created. If you open a Word Document, Word will create a temp copy of the file in the same folder that the original document exists. That's one of the main reasons why users are advised NOT to open Word documents direct from removable media.... -- Asking a question? Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, your OS, Service Pack level and the FULL contents of any error message(s) |
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How to increase system system performance
"Curious" wrote in message ... I have never seen any evidence or even ever heard of Windows creating any "Temp" files on any drive when loading an application. If you run Excel it loads excel.exe in memory and then loads or creates a new .xls spreadsheet file in memory there are no other/temp files created. If you open a Word Document, Word will create a temp copy of the file in the same folder that the original document exists. That's one of the main reasons why users are advised NOT to open Word documents direct from removable media.... -- Asking a question? Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, your OS, Service Pack level and the FULL contents of any error message(s) |
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I understand that current releases of some office products create temp
versions of their own documents when you start editing them. But it is the application program(Word) creating them and not Windows itself as Tae Song claimed. "Gordon" wrote in message ... "Curious" wrote in message ... I have never seen any evidence or even ever heard of Windows creating any "Temp" files on any drive when loading an application. If you run Excel it loads excel.exe in memory and then loads or creates a new .xls spreadsheet file in memory there are no other/temp files created. If you open a Word Document, Word will create a temp copy of the file in the same folder that the original document exists. That's one of the main reasons why users are advised NOT to open Word documents direct from removable media.... -- Asking a question? Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, your OS, Service Pack level and the FULL contents of any error message(s) |
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How to increase system system performance
I understand that current releases of some office products create temp
versions of their own documents when you start editing them. But it is the application program(Word) creating them and not Windows itself as Tae Song claimed. "Gordon" wrote in message ... "Curious" wrote in message ... I have never seen any evidence or even ever heard of Windows creating any "Temp" files on any drive when loading an application. If you run Excel it loads excel.exe in memory and then loads or creates a new .xls spreadsheet file in memory there are no other/temp files created. If you open a Word Document, Word will create a temp copy of the file in the same folder that the original document exists. That's one of the main reasons why users are advised NOT to open Word documents direct from removable media.... -- Asking a question? Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, your OS, Service Pack level and the FULL contents of any error message(s) |
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