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On 11/10/18 11:20 AM, Spooge wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:48:15 -0500, SilverSlimer, tweeted:
On 2018-11-09 7:51 p.m., Spooge wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:41:04 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

however, chromebooks are very strong in education.

And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago.
They tend
to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot,
you
don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in
general.
Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the
operating
system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.

yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid
logs in
and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough
that
it doesn't matter that much.


Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.

that is very true.

Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.



You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State
support to compensate for low local taxes.

We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a
state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red"
state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.

Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad
effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.


They fund vacant buildings, spend $24,000,000 on desegregation, yet have no
desegregation plan, got a teacher raise, went on strike for another raise,
though didn't strike over lack of books.

It's all about the kids though.

Cue bull****.

Over the years, I've seen the unions here strike three times I believe
(been teaching for fifteen years) and I have yet to see any improvement
of our conditions other than reduced-size classes. Of course, that only
happened in the French system I used to be a part of; in the English
system, the classes are still rather large. Of course, it's not a big
deal because English students are so much better behaved than the filth
I used to have to deal with in the French system.

In terms of salary though, the maximum salary hasn't moved much and in a
while and in terms of insurance, we get decent life insurance but
absolutely nothing else. That's why so many teachers have such awful
teeth. Lucky for me, my wife's insurance pays for everything.

But that's not the worst we have to deal with. You always have a chance
that you'll end up with some aggressive gorilla like this one:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1177874485696885&id=10000 4230346811
The worst part, for me, is the fact that the teacher takes it and is
apologetic about what just happened. That's what the socialist education
system does to teachers: it attempts to make us incredibly passive to
keep our job. It didn't work for me (which is why I never had severe
discipline issues from students), but the women often become
marshmallows who let all sorts of garbage happen in their classes. If
there's anything teachers should strike about, it's the fact that these
kids do whatever they want, including punching a teacher, and don't get
arrested.

Yeah, I'm with you on the kids behaviour.

I don't think salaries are too bad, from what I've looked at, for a job
that gives you the summer off.

It does not give you the summer off, and it is paid very, very poorly.

But you have shown no respect for teachers ever since you found out I
teach.

Teachers should receive good health/dental/vision insurance.
I had always imagined that they did.

Yes, you IMAGINE they do. Many do not.


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On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 18:56:10 -0700, Snit, tweeted:
On 11/10/18 11:22 AM, Spooge wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 21:26:32 -0700, Snit, tweeted:
On 11/9/18 5:51 PM, Spooge wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:41:04 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

however, chromebooks are very strong in education.

And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago.
They tend
to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot,
you
don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in
general.
Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the
operating
system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.

yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid
logs in
and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough
that
it doesn't matter that much.


Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.

that is very true.

Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.



You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State
support to compensate for low local taxes.

We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a
state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red"
state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.

Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad
effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.


They fund vacant buildings, spend $24,000,000 on desegregation, yet have no
desegregation plan, got a teacher raise, went on strike for another raise,
though didn't strike over lack of books.

It's all about the kids though.

Cue bull****.


What are you even trying to say?

That it isn't lack of funding, it's responsible, sensible spending of the
money the have.


A claim you will never back. Fair enough.

You don't know how to do research?
One keyword is audit.


How about we fund our education system the same level we fund our military.


We do better than that.
Federal, State, Local spending for 2016 (most accurate for state & local):
Defense- $853,100,000,000
Education- $1,040,200,000,000

That idea of a quarter million at birth is sounding better all the time

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On 2018-11-10 1:20 p.m., Spooge wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:48:15 -0500, SilverSlimer, tweeted:
On 2018-11-09 7:51 p.m., Spooge wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:41:04 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

however, chromebooks are very strong in education.

And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago.
They tend
to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot,
you
don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in
general.
Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the
operating
system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.

yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid
logs in
and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough
that
it doesn't matter that much.


Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.

that is very true.

Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.



You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State
support to compensate for low local taxes.

We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a
state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red"
state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.

Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad
effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.


They fund vacant buildings, spend $24,000,000 on desegregation, yet have no
desegregation plan, got a teacher raise, went on strike for another raise,
though didn't strike over lack of books.

It's all about the kids though.

Cue bull****.

Over the years, I've seen the unions here strike three times I believe
(been teaching for fifteen years) and I have yet to see any improvement
of our conditions other than reduced-size classes. Of course, that only
happened in the French system I used to be a part of; in the English
system, the classes are still rather large. Of course, it's not a big
deal because English students are so much better behaved than the filth
I used to have to deal with in the French system.

In terms of salary though, the maximum salary hasn't moved much and in a
while and in terms of insurance, we get decent life insurance but
absolutely nothing else. That's why so many teachers have such awful
teeth. Lucky for me, my wife's insurance pays for everything.

But that's not the worst we have to deal with. You always have a chance
that you'll end up with some aggressive gorilla like this one:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1177874485696885&id=10000 4230346811
The worst part, for me, is the fact that the teacher takes it and is
apologetic about what just happened. That's what the socialist education
system does to teachers: it attempts to make us incredibly passive to
keep our job. It didn't work for me (which is why I never had severe
discipline issues from students), but the women often become
marshmallows who let all sorts of garbage happen in their classes. If
there's anything teachers should strike about, it's the fact that these
kids do whatever they want, including punching a teacher, and don't get
arrested.

Yeah, I'm with you on the kids behaviour.

I don't think salaries are too bad, from what I've looked at, for a job
that gives you the summer off.

Except that you're not paid for the summer. The way that it works, at
least here in Quebec, is that a part of every one of your paychecks is
taken away over the year to pay for those two months. Essentially,
you're paying for your own two months off. The problem with that is that
in every province outside of Quebec, the tax rate is lower so you're
still paying for your summer, but you still get a better amount during
the work year.

Teachers should receive good health/dental/vision insurance.
I had always imagined that they did.

I think they're only getting better with psychologists because they're
noticed that a lot of teachers eventually break down and needs meds for
depression or something similar. We also get decent life insurance, but
the rest is trash. Like I said, a lot of really bad teeth with teachers.

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Minds: @silverslimer

Spooge wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 18:56:10 -0700, Snit, tweeted:
On 11/10/18 11:22 AM, Spooge wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 21:26:32 -0700, Snit, tweeted:
On 11/9/18 5:51 PM, Spooge wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:41:04 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

however, chromebooks are very strong in education.

And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago.
They tend
to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot,
you
don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in
general.
Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the
operating
system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.

yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid
logs in
and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough
that
it doesn't matter that much.


Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.

that is very true.

Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.



You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State
support to compensate for low local taxes.

We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a
state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red"
state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.

Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad
effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.


They fund vacant buildings, spend $24,000,000 on desegregation, yet have no
desegregation plan, got a teacher raise, went on strike for another raise,
though didn't strike over lack of books.

It's all about the kids though.

Cue bull****.


What are you even trying to say?

That it isn't lack of funding, it's responsible, sensible spending of the
money the have.


A claim you will never back. Fair enough.

You don't know how to do research?
One keyword is audit.


How about we fund our education system the same level we fund our military.


We do better than that.
Federal, State, Local spending for 2016 (most accurate for state & local):
Defense- $853,100,000,000
Education- $1,040,200,000,000

That idea of a quarter million at birth is sounding better all the time


Support?

On 11 Nov 2018 16:08:24 GMT, Snit, tweeted:
Spooge wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 18:56:10 -0700, Snit, tweeted:
On 11/10/18 11:22 AM, Spooge wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 21:26:32 -0700, Snit, tweeted:
On 11/9/18 5:51 PM, Spooge wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:41:04 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

however, chromebooks are very strong in education.

And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago.
They tend
to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot,
you
don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in
general.
Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the
operating
system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.

yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid
logs in
and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough
that
it doesn't matter that much.


Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.

that is very true.

Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.



You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State
support to compensate for low local taxes.

We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a
state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red"
state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.

Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad
effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.


They fund vacant buildings, spend $24,000,000 on desegregation, yet have no
desegregation plan, got a teacher raise, went on strike for another raise,
though didn't strike over lack of books.

It's all about the kids though.

Cue bull****.


What are you even trying to say?

That it isn't lack of funding, it's responsible, sensible spending of the
money the have.


A claim you will never back. Fair enough.

You don't know how to do research?
One keyword is audit.


How about we fund our education system the same level we fund our military.


We do better than that.
Federal, State, Local spending for 2016 (most accurate for state & local):
Defense- $853,100,000,000
Education- $1,040,200,000,000

That idea of a quarter million at birth is sounding better all the time


Support?

Uhm, look up.
That doesn't count lottery monies, which in one State I looked at (this is
just one State now) was over $400,000,000 in a year.
Another State was over $1,000,000,000 for one year.

I got bored researching that, so you are welcome to do your own research and
post your own results.

You undoubtedly were only thinking Federal money, which isn't where the
majority of funding comes from for education.

If I may be so bold to ask, what field of study do you specialize in?
Is it at Snowflake High School? (yes, that really is a school in AZ) LOL

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 09:06:26 -0500, SilverSlimer, tweeted:
On 2018-11-10 1:20 p.m., Spooge wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:48:15 -0500, SilverSlimer, tweeted:
On 2018-11-09 7:51 p.m., Spooge wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:41:04 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

however, chromebooks are very strong in education.

And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago.
They tend
to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot,
you
don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in
general.
Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the
operating
system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.

yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid
logs in
and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough
that
it doesn't matter that much.


Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.

that is very true.

Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.



You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State
support to compensate for low local taxes.

We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a
state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red"
state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.

Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad
effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.


They fund vacant buildings, spend $24,000,000 on desegregation, yet have no
desegregation plan, got a teacher raise, went on strike for another raise,
though didn't strike over lack of books.

It's all about the kids though.

Cue bull****.

Over the years, I've seen the unions here strike three times I believe
(been teaching for fifteen years) and I have yet to see any improvement
of our conditions other than reduced-size classes. Of course, that only
happened in the French system I used to be a part of; in the English
system, the classes are still rather large. Of course, it's not a big
deal because English students are so much better behaved than the filth
I used to have to deal with in the French system.

In terms of salary though, the maximum salary hasn't moved much and in a
while and in terms of insurance, we get decent life insurance but
absolutely nothing else. That's why so many teachers have such awful
teeth. Lucky for me, my wife's insurance pays for everything.

But that's not the worst we have to deal with. You always have a chance
that you'll end up with some aggressive gorilla like this one:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1177874485696885&id=10000 4230346811
The worst part, for me, is the fact that the teacher takes it and is
apologetic about what just happened. That's what the socialist education
system does to teachers: it attempts to make us incredibly passive to
keep our job. It didn't work for me (which is why I never had severe
discipline issues from students), but the women often become
marshmallows who let all sorts of garbage happen in their classes. If
there's anything teachers should strike about, it's the fact that these
kids do whatever they want, including punching a teacher, and don't get
arrested.

Yeah, I'm with you on the kids behaviour.

I don't think salaries are too bad, from what I've looked at, for a job
that gives you the summer off.

Except that you're not paid for the summer. The way that it works, at
least here in Quebec, is that a part of every one of your paychecks is
taken away over the year to pay for those two months. Essentially,
you're paying for your own two months off. The problem with that is that
in every province outside of Quebec, the tax rate is lower so you're
still paying for your summer, but you still get a better amount during
the work year.

Teachers should receive good health/dental/vision insurance.
I had always imagined that they did.

I think they're only getting better with psychologists because they're
noticed that a lot of teachers eventually break down and needs meds for
depression or something similar. We also get decent life insurance, but
the rest is trash. Like I said, a lot of really bad teeth with teachers.

I support teachers, and think they should be paid well.
Of course, I think _everyone_ should be paid well, and I think the economy
benefits from a well-paid work-force, and not by the 1% 'ers that live
in la-la land.

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Spooge wrote:
On 11 Nov 2018 16:08:24 GMT, Snit, tweeted:
Spooge wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 18:56:10 -0700, Snit, tweeted:
On 11/10/18 11:22 AM, Spooge wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 21:26:32 -0700, Snit, tweeted:
On 11/9/18 5:51 PM, Spooge wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:41:04 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

however, chromebooks are very strong in education.

And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago.
They tend
to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot,
you
don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in
general.
Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the
operating
system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.

yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid
logs in
and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough
that
it doesn't matter that much.


Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.

that is very true.

Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.



You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State
support to compensate for low local taxes.

We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a
state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red"
state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.

Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad
effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.


They fund vacant buildings, spend $24,000,000 on desegregation, yet have no
desegregation plan, got a teacher raise, went on strike for another raise,
though didn't strike over lack of books.

It's all about the kids though.

Cue bull****.


What are you even trying to say?

That it isn't lack of funding, it's responsible, sensible spending of the
money the have.


A claim you will never back. Fair enough.

You don't know how to do research?
One keyword is audit.


How about we fund our education system the same level we fund our military.


We do better than that.
Federal, State, Local spending for 2016 (most accurate for state & local):
Defense- $853,100,000,000
Education- $1,040,200,000,000

That idea of a quarter million at birth is sounding better all the time


Support?

Uhm, look up.
That doesn't count lottery monies, which in one State I looked at (this is
just one State now) was over $400,000,000 in a year.
Another State was over $1,000,000,000 for one year.

I got bored researching that, so you are welcome to do your own research and
post your own results.

You undoubtedly were only thinking Federal money, which isn't where the
majority of funding comes from for education.

If I may be so bold to ask, what field of study do you specialize in?
Is it at Snowflake High School? (yes, that really is a school in AZ) LOL


So you have no support. Got it.

Spooge wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 09:06:26 -0500, SilverSlimer, tweeted:
On 2018-11-10 1:20 p.m., Spooge wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:48:15 -0500, SilverSlimer, tweeted:
On 2018-11-09 7:51 p.m., Spooge wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:41:04 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

however, chromebooks are very strong in education.

And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago.
They tend
to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot,
you
don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in
general.
Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the
operating
system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.

yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid
logs in
and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough
that
it doesn't matter that much.


Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.

that is very true.

Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.



You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State
support to compensate for low local taxes.

We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a
state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red"
state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.

Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad
effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.


They fund vacant buildings, spend $24,000,000 on desegregation, yet have no
desegregation plan, got a teacher raise, went on strike for another raise,
though didn't strike over lack of books.

It's all about the kids though.

Cue bull****.

Over the years, I've seen the unions here strike three times I believe
(been teaching for fifteen years) and I have yet to see any improvement
of our conditions other than reduced-size classes. Of course, that only
happened in the French system I used to be a part of; in the English
system, the classes are still rather large. Of course, it's not a big
deal because English students are so much better behaved than the filth
I used to have to deal with in the French system.

In terms of salary though, the maximum salary hasn't moved much and in a
while and in terms of insurance, we get decent life insurance but
absolutely nothing else. That's why so many teachers have such awful
teeth. Lucky for me, my wife's insurance pays for everything.

But that's not the worst we have to deal with. You always have a chance
that you'll end up with some aggressive gorilla like this one:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1177874485696885&id=10000 4230346811
The worst part, for me, is the fact that the teacher takes it and is
apologetic about what just happened. That's what the socialist education
system does to teachers: it attempts to make us incredibly passive to
keep our job. It didn't work for me (which is why I never had severe
discipline issues from students), but the women often become
marshmallows who let all sorts of garbage happen in their classes. If
there's anything teachers should strike about, it's the fact that these
kids do whatever they want, including punching a teacher, and don't get
arrested.

Yeah, I'm with you on the kids behaviour.

I don't think salaries are too bad, from what I've looked at, for a job
that gives you the summer off.

Except that you're not paid for the summer. The way that it works, at
least here in Quebec, is that a part of every one of your paychecks is
taken away over the year to pay for those two months. Essentially,
you're paying for your own two months off. The problem with that is that
in every province outside of Quebec, the tax rate is lower so you're
still paying for your summer, but you still get a better amount during
the work year.

Teachers should receive good health/dental/vision insurance.
I had always imagined that they did.

I think they're only getting better with psychologists because they're
noticed that a lot of teachers eventually break down and needs meds for
depression or something similar. We also get decent life insurance, but
the rest is trash. Like I said, a lot of really bad teeth with teachers.

I support teachers, and think they should be paid well.
Of course, I think _everyone_ should be paid well, and I think the economy
benefits from a well-paid work-force, and not by the 1% 'ers that live
in la-la land.


Agreed. Good to see.

On 11 Nov 2018 17:26:51 GMT, Snit, tweeted:
Spooge wrote:
On 11 Nov 2018 16:08:24 GMT, Snit, tweeted:
Spooge wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 18:56:10 -0700, Snit, tweeted:
On 11/10/18 11:22 AM, Spooge wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 21:26:32 -0700, Snit, tweeted:
On 11/9/18 5:51 PM, Spooge wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:41:04 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

however, chromebooks are very strong in education.

And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago.
They tend
to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot,
you
don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in
general.
Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the
operating
system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.

yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid
logs in
and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough
that
it doesn't matter that much.


Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.

that is very true.

Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.



You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State
support to compensate for low local taxes.

We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a
state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red"
state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.

Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad
effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.


They fund vacant buildings, spend $24,000,000 on desegregation, yet have no
desegregation plan, got a teacher raise, went on strike for another raise,
though didn't strike over lack of books.

It's all about the kids though.

Cue bull****.


What are you even trying to say?

That it isn't lack of funding, it's responsible, sensible spending of the
money the have.


A claim you will never back. Fair enough.

You don't know how to do research?
One keyword is audit.


How about we fund our education system the same level we fund our military.


We do better than that.
Federal, State, Local spending for 2016 (most accurate for state & local):
Defense- $853,100,000,000
Education- $1,040,200,000,000

That idea of a quarter million at birth is sounding better all the time


Support?

Uhm, look up.
That doesn't count lottery monies, which in one State I looked at (this is
just one State now) was over $400,000,000 in a year.
Another State was over $1,000,000,000 for one year.

I got bored researching that, so you are welcome to do your own research and
post your own results.

You undoubtedly were only thinking Federal money, which isn't where the
majority of funding comes from for education.

If I may be so bold to ask, what field of study do you specialize in?
Is it at Snowflake High School? (yes, that really is a school in AZ) LOL


So you have no support. Got it.

You lost, got it.
Only Health Care and government pensions cost more than education.
And guess what?
No matter what education they achieve, 10% will end up in Retail, 10%
will end up in a Service Industry.
22% may find a government job --- this is the one to shoot for

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On 11/11/18 11:01 AM, Spooge wrote:
On 11 Nov 2018 17:26:51 GMT, Snit, tweeted:
Spooge wrote:
On 11 Nov 2018 16:08:24 GMT, Snit, tweeted:
Spooge wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 18:56:10 -0700, Snit, tweeted:
On 11/10/18 11:22 AM, Spooge wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 21:26:32 -0700, Snit, tweeted:
On 11/9/18 5:51 PM, Spooge wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 19:41:04 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
On 2018-11-09 17:20, Snit wrote:
On 11/9/18 1:09 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-08 22:32, Snit wrote:
On 11/8/18 8:19 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

however, chromebooks are very strong in education.

And as a teacher, I have to admit that I made the choice to move to
Chromebooks myself in the school I worked at a few years ago.
They tend
to last longer than any PC and since they reset with each reboot,
you
don't have to worry about security as much as you would a PC in
general.
Whatever PCs the schools do reset as well since they load the
operating
system from scratch every time, but the boot process ends up being
insanely slow in contract to a generic Chromebook.

yep, and if a chromebook is damaged, simply replace it, the kid
logs in
and all of his work is as it was before. they're also cheap enough
that
it doesn't matter that much.


Cheap enough if the school has money... which is sadly not a given.

that is very true.

Schools in my district have no text books. It is insane.



You have local vote on school taxes, right? And minimal if any State
support to compensate for low local taxes.

We have little funding for schools. From ANY source. Period. This is a
state-wide problem... which is not surprising given how it is a "red"
state. We have been listed as the number 50 state for being a teacher.

Too bad. I'm sure people use fundraisers etc to meliorate the bad
effects of under funding, and I wish them all possible success.


They fund vacant buildings, spend $24,000,000 on desegregation, yet have no
desegregation plan, got a teacher raise, went on strike for another raise,
though didn't strike over lack of books.

It's all about the kids though.

Cue bull****.


What are you even trying to say?

That it isn't lack of funding, it's responsible, sensible spending of the
money the have.


A claim you will never back. Fair enough.

You don't know how to do research?
One keyword is audit.


How about we fund our education system the same level we fund our military.


We do better than that.
Federal, State, Local spending for 2016 (most accurate for state & local):
Defense- $853,100,000,000
Education- $1,040,200,000,000

That idea of a quarter million at birth is sounding better all the time


Support?

Uhm, look up.
That doesn't count lottery monies, which in one State I looked at (this is
just one State now) was over $400,000,000 in a year.
Another State was over $1,000,000,000 for one year.

I got bored researching that, so you are welcome to do your own research and
post your own results.

You undoubtedly were only thinking Federal money, which isn't where the
majority of funding comes from for education.

If I may be so bold to ask, what field of study do you specialize in?
Is it at Snowflake High School? (yes, that really is a school in AZ) LOL


So you have no support. Got it.

You lost, got it.
Only Health Care and government pensions cost more than education.
And guess what?
No matter what education they achieve, 10% will end up in Retail, 10%
will end up in a Service Industry.
22% may find a government job --- this is the one to shoot for


https://www.businessinsider.com/education-military-spending-comparison-2016-9
-----
One indicator of a nation's priorities lies in its federal budget. And
by that logic, America's budget makes clear that we prioritize defense
over all other expenditures — by a wide margin. In 2015, military
expenditures accounted for about 54 percent of our discretionary
spending, according to The National Priorities Project. In contrast,
education accounted for only six percent of the budget.
....
If you factor those contributions in, the US spent about $880 billion on
education in 2011, compared to $966 billion total on defense.
-----

No matter how you slice it, we put billions more toward the military
than we do education.
--
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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 19:26:39 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
On 2018-11-11 17:39, Snit wrote:
On 11/11/18 3:26 PM, Spooge wrote:
[...]
That's fine.
I'm not sure if you are intentionally unaware of the facts, but notice
above
where I noted your misleading link.

To get the 54% they mention discretionary spending.
Why do you suppose they would do that.
As a percent of total spending, defenseÂ*Â* is 12.5%.
As a percent of total spending, education is 15.2%.

Hiding non-discretionary spending, state, local taxes inflates the
military
percentage and understates the education percentage.

Naughty, naughty.


You making up numbers with no support is, well, no support.

I think percent of GDP is a better comparator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_expenditures

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._(%25_of _GDP)

USA spends about 4.9% of GDP on education, and about 3.1% on defence.

Snit ain't gonna like that

Canada spends 5.5% of GDP on education, and about 1.25% on defence.

Snit's gonna emigrate.

Here are the tope 100 arms manufacturers in 2009 and 2010:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...-100-producers

You'll note that 8 of the top 10 are American. I doubt that has changed
much since 2010. Also, many of the non-US companies are subsidiaries of
the larger US companies.


We seem to have 120guns/100people.
Ya'll have 32guns/100people.

We're number 1.
Ya'll range from 2 - 13 , depending on who you want to believe.

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On 11/11/18 5:26 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-11 17:39, Snit wrote:
On 11/11/18 3:26 PM, Spooge wrote:
[...]
That's fine.
I'm not sure if you are intentionally unaware of the facts, but
notice above
where I noted your misleading link.

To get the 54% they mention discretionary spending.
Why do you suppose they would do that.
As a percent of total spending, defenseÂ*Â* is 12.5%.
As a percent of total spending, education is 15.2%.

Hiding non-discretionary spending, state, local taxes inflates the
military
percentage and understates the education percentage.

Naughty, naughty.


You making up numbers with no support is, well, no support.

I think percent of GDP is a better comparator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_expenditures

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._(%25_of _GDP)


USA spends about 4.9% of GDP on education, and about 3.1% on defence.

Military:
#1 in the world, based on data from 2018.

I will admit my guess, though, would have been higher than 3.1% for
defense. Still very high.

Education:
#58 in the world, based on data from 2013.

And our trend has been downward in education:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.XPD.TOTL.GD.ZS?end=2014&locations=US&start=2010 &view=chart


Used to be closer to what you show for Canada.

Canada spends 5.5% of GDP on education, and about 1.25% on defence.
Best data I have seen anyone else post. Thank you. Not from the same
year, which does add some confounding factors, BUT the data seems
reasonably solid. And it also puts it into context of how much we spend
compared to others. As you note, Canada does a MUCH better job on
focusing on education (though I think we can also safely say the US has
more reason to put money into defense).

Here are the tope 100 arms manufacturers in 2009 and 2010:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...-100-producers

You'll note that 8 of the top 10 are American. I doubt that has changed
much since 2010. Also, many of the non-US companies are subsidiaries of
the larger US companies.

Not sure the connection you are trying to make here.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

On 11/11/18 7:43 PM, Spooge wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 19:26:39 -0500, Wolf K, tweeted:
On 2018-11-11 17:39, Snit wrote:
On 11/11/18 3:26 PM, Spooge wrote:
[...]
That's fine.
I'm not sure if you are intentionally unaware of the facts, but notice
above
where I noted your misleading link.

To get the 54% they mention discretionary spending.
Why do you suppose they would do that.
As a percent of total spending, defenseÂ*Â* is 12.5%.
As a percent of total spending, education is 15.2%.

Hiding non-discretionary spending, state, local taxes inflates the
military
percentage and understates the education percentage.

Naughty, naughty.


You making up numbers with no support is, well, no support.

I think percent of GDP is a better comparator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_expenditures

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._(%25_of _GDP)

USA spends about 4.9% of GDP on education, and about 3.1% on defence.

Snit ain't gonna like that

I saw his post -- and responded to it -- first. Note how poorly you
predict my response. You understand me poorly. Fair enough.

Canada spends 5.5% of GDP on education, and about 1.25% on defence.

Snit's gonna emigrate.

It is possible, though not any time soon.

Here are the tope 100 arms manufacturers in 2009 and 2010:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...-100-producers

You'll note that 8 of the top 10 are American. I doubt that has changed
much since 2010. Also, many of the non-US companies are subsidiaries of
the larger US companies.


We seem to have 120guns/100people.
Ya'll have 32guns/100people.

We're number 1.
Ya'll range from 2 - 13 , depending on who you want to believe.



--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 20:43:42 -0700, Snit, tweeted:
On 11/11/18 5:26 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-11 17:39, Snit wrote:
On 11/11/18 3:26 PM, Spooge wrote:
[...]
That's fine.
I'm not sure if you are intentionally unaware of the facts, but
notice above
where I noted your misleading link.

To get the 54% they mention discretionary spending.
Why do you suppose they would do that.
As a percent of total spending, defenseÂ*Â* is 12.5%.
As a percent of total spending, education is 15.2%.

Hiding non-discretionary spending, state, local taxes inflates the
military
percentage and understates the education percentage.

Naughty, naughty.


You making up numbers with no support is, well, no support.

I think percent of GDP is a better comparator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_expenditures

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._(%25_of _GDP)


USA spends about 4.9% of GDP on education, and about 3.1% on defence.

Military:
#1 in the world, based on data from 2018.

We are number one based on total spending, but since our GDP is huge, it isn't
surprising.


I will admit my guess, though, would have been higher than 3.1% for
defense. Still very high.

Looks to be number 3.

Education:
#58 in the world, based on data from 2013.

We are not number 58 in the world.
We spend more than any other country, and rank high in spending/GDP.
Where we rank lowest is test scores.
Hmmm, wonder what that shows

I'm not sure what the ordering of that list means.

And our trend has been downward in education:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.XPD.TOTL.GD.ZS?end=2014&locations=US&start=2010 &view=chart


Used to be closer to what you show for Canada.

Canada spends 5.5% of GDP on education, and about 1.25% on defence.
Best data I have seen anyone else post. Thank you. Not from the same
year, which does add some confounding factors, BUT the data seems
reasonably solid. And it also puts it into context of how much we spend
compared to others. As you note, Canada does a MUCH better job on
focusing on education (though I think we can also safely say the US has
more reason to put money into defense).

Here are the tope 100 arms manufacturers in 2009 and 2010:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...-100-producers

You'll note that 8 of the top 10 are American. I doubt that has changed
much since 2010. Also, many of the non-US companies are subsidiaries of
the larger US companies.

Not sure the connection you are trying to make here.

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____________________________

On 2018-11-12 9:03 a.m., Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-11 22:43, Snit wrote:
On 11/11/18 5:26 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-11 17:39, Snit wrote:
On 11/11/18 3:26 PM, Spooge wrote:
[...]
That's fine.
I'm not sure if you are intentionally unaware of the facts, but
notice above
where I noted your misleading link.

To get the 54% they mention discretionary spending.
Why do you suppose they would do that.
As a percent of total spending, defenseÂ*Â* is 12.5%.
As a percent of total spending, education is 15.2%.

Hiding non-discretionary spending, state, local taxes inflates the
military
percentage and understates the education percentage.

Naughty, naughty.


You making up numbers with no support is, well, no support.

I think percent of GDP is a better comparator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_expenditures

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._(%25_of _GDP)


USA spends about 4.9% of GDP on education, and about 3.1% on defence.

Military:
#1 in the world, based on data from 2018.

I will admit my guess, though, would have been higher than 3.1% for
defense. Still very high.

Education:
#58 in the world, based on data from 2013.

And our trend has been downward in education:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.XPD.TOTL.GD.ZS?end=2014&locations=US&start=2010 &view=chart


Used to be closer to what you show for Canada.

Canada spends 5.5% of GDP on education, and about 1.25% on defence.
Best data I have seen anyone else post. Thank you. Not from the same
year, which does add some confounding factors, BUT the data seems
reasonably solid. And it also puts it into context of how much we
spend compared to others. As you note, Canada does a MUCH better job
on focusing on education (though I think we can also safely say the US
has more reason to put money into defense).

Here are the tope 100 arms manufacturers in 2009 and 2010:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...-100-producers

You'll note that 8 of the top 10 are American. I doubt that has
changed much since 2010. Also, many of the non-US companies are
subsidiaries of the larger US companies.

Not sure the connection you are trying to make here.

When Donald Trump complains about underspending on defence by other NATO
nations, IMO the context is that a large chunk of that spending is for
US made weapons.

No, his meaning is that the European nations which were at some point
"saved" by American presence in the continent during the Cold War are
all now taking it for granted and deciding that they don't need to pay
into it. While Europe, at one point, was rebuilding and couldn't afford
to provide its own protection (hence, the Marshall Plan), they now have
the means and the funds to do so and should at least assist the United
States in paying for the protection especially since they will be solely
responsible for the next, religious conflict to come (Christians/Jews
vs. Muslims and their useful idiot atheists created by their decision to
"tolerate" murderous invaders from Africa and the Middle East).

I know that Poland have stepped forward to help foot the bill but who else?

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