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Old September 5th 09, 10:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin
sunorain
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Default Copied files are not decrypted

On my PC's HDD I have some files encrypted. Used "folder encryption" that is
in one of folder properties selected checkbox "Encrypt data..."

Folder is shown in green in explorer respectively.

In the beginning, when I copied any files from this folder to another
location (e.g. USB HDD) files became automatically decrypted, i.e. I could
read those files from USB HDD on any other PC.

But now something changed. Though I did not make any changes to security or
file system settings, files copied from encrypted folder to USB HDD stay
encrypted. That is - I can read them only on PC where I copied them to USB
HDD. On other PCs where I connect USB HDD files are not accessible.

How can I change it back? I need files copied from encrypted folder to USB
HDD to decrypt automatically, because it's backup procedure and I need them
accessible on any other PC. How can I stop encryption attribute to be copied
together with file?

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Old September 5th 09, 10:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin
David H. Lipman
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Default Copied files are not decrypted

From: "sunorain"

| On my PC's HDD I have some files encrypted. Used "folder encryption" that is
| in one of folder properties selected checkbox "Encrypt data..."

| Folder is shown in green in explorer respectively.

| In the beginning, when I copied any files from this folder to another
| location (e.g. USB HDD) files became automatically decrypted, i.e. I could
| read those files from USB HDD on any other PC.

| But now something changed. Though I did not make any changes to security or
| file system settings, files copied from encrypted folder to USB HDD stay
| encrypted. That is - I can read them only on PC where I copied them to USB
| HDD. On other PCs where I connect USB HDD files are not accessible.

| How can I change it back? I need files copied from encrypted folder to USB
| HDD to decrypt automatically, because it's backup procedure and I need them
| accessible on any other PC. How can I stop encryption attribute to be copied
| together with file?


Make sure the USB mass storage device is formatted in FAT and not NTFS.

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Old September 5th 09, 11:42 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin
sunorain
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Default Copied files are not decrypted

not an option. ntfs more reliable, better handles huge volumes (it's USB HDD)
and timesync is bad when files and synced between NTFS and FAT. Sync software
makes too many errors comparing time stamps.

And why make it if there's another solution? At least until very recent time
everythign worked fine. Just can't find out what has changed....

"David H. Lipman" wrote:

Make sure the USB mass storage device is formatted in FAT and not NTFS.


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Old September 6th 09, 12:54 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin
Shenan Stanley
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Default Copied files are not decrypted

sunorain wrote:
not an option. ntfs more reliable, better handles huge volumes
(it's USB HDD) and timesync is bad when files and synced between
NTFS and FAT. Sync software makes too many errors comparing time
stamps.

And why make it if there's another solution? At least until very
recent time everythign worked fine. Just can't find out what has
changed...


Considering where you are posting (Windows XP Newsgroup) - nothing has
changed with the EFS you are using that I am aware of. Sounds more like you
have changed the way you are doing something or the format of the external
drive.

Things you should understand about EFS (above and beyond just the best
practices and how not to lose your data.)

a.. Copying a file into an encrypted folder encrypts the file, but moving it
into the folder leaves the file encrypted or unencrypted, just as it was
before you moved the file.

a.. If encrypted files are moved they stay encrypted, if users add files to
an encrypted folder the new files are automatically encrypted.

a.. Moving or copying EFS files to another file system removes the
encryption, but backing them up preserves the encryption (with native tools
for sure - cannot say otherwise with any confidence.)

a.. If you copy your files to a CD/DVD to back them up, they will be
decrypted.

a.. If you send encrypted files through e-mail, the copy sent will not be
encrypted.

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  #5  
Old September 6th 09, 02:42 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin
Old Rookie
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Default Copied files are not decrypted

As David said use FAT32 partition on destination device. However since you
do not want to do that you can use Xcopy with the /g switch to copy files
and have the destination decrypted. You can use Xcopy command as a scheduled
task if you want to automate the procedure.

Steve


"sunorain" wrote in message
...
On my PC's HDD I have some files encrypted. Used "folder encryption" that
is
in one of folder properties selected checkbox "Encrypt data..."

Folder is shown in green in explorer respectively.

In the beginning, when I copied any files from this folder to another
location (e.g. USB HDD) files became automatically decrypted, i.e. I could
read those files from USB HDD on any other PC.

But now something changed. Though I did not make any changes to security
or
file system settings, files copied from encrypted folder to USB HDD stay
encrypted. That is - I can read them only on PC where I copied them to USB
HDD. On other PCs where I connect USB HDD files are not accessible.

How can I change it back? I need files copied from encrypted folder to USB
HDD to decrypt automatically, because it's backup procedure and I need
them
accessible on any other PC. How can I stop encryption attribute to be
copied
together with file?



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Old September 8th 09, 07:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin
sunorain
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Default Copied files are not decrypted

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:
Sounds more like you
have changed the way you are doing something or the format of the external
drive.


It's clearly stated in initial post that no changes have been made in
filesystem. Also copying procedure is fairly trivial, can't imaging what
could I changed.
Main drive was
USB HDD was NTFS and still copying from main HDD to USB HDD
automatically decrypted files and on USB HDD they were decrypted. I don't
know why and how but this is why I'm here....



Things you should understand about EFS (above and beyond just the best
practices and how not to lose your data.)


It's nice that you quote EFS manual in response, but it's not what's needed
on forum, really. I've read help already.
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Old September 8th 09, 07:29 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin
sunorain
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Default Copied files are not decrypted

You are the man Steve!
Sorry for such "chauvinist" appraisal, I'm just so glad to see finally a
piece of useful advice among dozen of garbage reply posts.


"Old Rookie" wrote:

However since you
do not want to do that you can use Xcopy with the /g switch to copy files
and have the destination decrypted. You can use Xcopy command as a scheduled
task if you want to automate the procedure.

Steve


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Old September 8th 09, 07:41 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin
Shenan Stanley
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Default Copied files are not decrypted

sunorain wrote:
You are the man Steve!
Sorry for such "chauvinist" appraisal, I'm just so glad to see
finally a piece of useful advice among dozen of garbage reply posts.


However - you still must be mistaken in your original assumptions. It's not
the way things work (as you originally described) and if you changed
nothing, then nothing would have changed in how things worked. ;-)

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  #9  
Old September 8th 09, 07:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin
sunorain
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Default Copied files are not decrypted

Well, I understood that basic point here is file system format. It was NTFS
and it stays NTFS. If seasoned MVP couldn't guess other reason of changed
copy procedure , my chances are even lesser.

I'm absolutely serious - it's the way how things worked before - and I had
absolutely no idea it's not "standard" or "normal". Until lightning stroke...

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

sunorain wrote:
You are the man Steve!
Sorry for such "chauvinist" appraisal, I'm just so glad to see
finally a piece of useful advice among dozen of garbage reply posts.


However - you still must be mistaken in your original assumptions. It's not
the way things work (as you originally described) and if you changed
nothing, then nothing would have changed in how things worked. ;-)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP


  #10  
Old September 11th 09, 09:40 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.security_admin
sunorain
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Default Copied files are not decrypted

note (to self? or curious cats): ignore all crap above could not get xcopy /g
to work as needed.

HOWEVER any MS-DOS file manager started from Windows does the trick

Files copied by Norton Commander from NTFS to NTFS will be decrypted on the
fly and even long file names preserved
Rare GUI FMs can do this as well.

ah, those professional advisors...
 




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