Everything doesn't find notepad, Vista

In alt.windows7.general, on Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:49:56 -0400, Cy Burnot
wrote:

micky wrote on 10/12/2015 5:58 PM:


Did you look under "Search" and select the appropriate option?

Match whole word is checked -- is that what you mean?

No. Look further down that menu.

"Everything" was dotted (not as noticeable maybe a checkmark). Is
that it?

All of this is moot now, I think. Other replies explained this part:

If I select Executable, it lowers the number from 32 (now that the other
partitions are connected) to 25, ALL of which are exactly notepad.exe,
in lower or upper case, including the path d:\windows\system32 and the
same path in two other partitions.

But not C: !! I know I have it. I saw it in Windows Explorer and it
wouldn't work as well as it does if it weren't in the C: partition.

I figure out how to capture the name of one of the 6 ones with the
longer names. They have names like this

C:\Windows\winsxs\x86_microsoft-windows-notepad_31bf3856ad364e35_6.0.6001.18000_none_6f1a8 d7b6fffbb73\notepad.exe
But I see that Vanguard goes into these strange names.

Sometimes I think MS has a fetish for long numbers.

In alt.windows7.general, on Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:08:29 -0500, Char
Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:35:05 -0400, micky wrote:

I'm using Vista, but it seems similar to 7.

I wanted to validate my recollection of where notepad.exe resides, so I
opened Everything, which I just installed a few days ago because I saw
it praised here or maybe some other ng.

I only entered notepad and I got 14 objects, but none were the basic
notepad.exe!! When I finishedwriting notepad.exe, there were 9, but
two were notepad.exe.mui, one was prefetch, and 6 were long names that
start
C:\windows\winsxs\x86_microsoft-windows-notepad, or

notepadwin_31bf38....

I later verified that it's in windows\system32.

Why didn't that one show up and what else isn't showing up?

I've been using Everything for years and every now and then something
doesn't show up that I think should be there. I don't keep track of how
often, but it feels like about 9-12 months or so. When that happens, I
simply rebuild the database and I'm back in business. It only takes 15-20
seconds here.

In Everything, select Options, Indexes, Force Rebuild.

No, that didn't do it.

With a blank search, check the number of indexed files in the lower left
corner of the Everything GUI. Mine is 218,636. Rebuild the index and see if
the total number of indexed files has changed (increased).

My impression was that as soon as I freed up and turned off the 2 drives
in the dock, the number was 133,801 but when I looked a few minutes
later, it was 134,061.** It had gone up and
down a little before settling on that and after the forced rebuild, it
stayed the same. But I'm glad to know about that function.

Checking for notepad, I have all the ones from before, plus another
prefetch, but still not the one I use.

In alt.windows7.general, on Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:47:45 -0500, VanguardLH
wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

Agent Ransack from http://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/ also gave
me 19 files. No, I did not check to see if they are the same 19 found
by SearchMyFiles.

You'll find that many of the notepad.exe instances are in the winsxs
subfolders. WinSXS is the Side-by-Side repository to avoid the "DLL
Hell" problems encountered with prior versions of Windows. An app's

Aha.

install may create its own repository and it may include files other
than just for the program, like Notepad. Why some author thinks they
need an specific and old version of Notepad is known only to the program
author but my guess is that they rolled up several ancilliary files to
create an image of their program without ever considering if a specific
version of a text editor was really needed. Microsoft came up with a
means of allowing programs to access older versions of files. That
doesn't mean authors suddenly became expert in deciding what to bundle
in their installer.

By the way, Agent Ransack got renamed to FileLocator Lite. Companies
and end users were leery of products that implied they ransacked their
computers plus the program didn't ransack anything so it was an
inappropriate product name.

Yes, I sort of reacted that way. In fact it wasn't until discussion of
this program I knew that ransack meant search. My knowledge of English
definitions is good, if I say so myself. I'm often able to duplicate a
word's definition without looking in the dictionary. But I was pretty
far off this time. I thought it meant knock everything around, and if
there was searching it was something on the side.

But the meaning was there from the beginning.
"ransack (v.) Look up ransack at Dictionary.com
mid-13c., from a Scandinavian source akin to Old Norse rannsaka "to
pillage," literally "search the house" (especially legally, for stolen
goods), from rann "house," from Proto-Germanic *raznan (c.f. Gothic
razn, Old English ærn "house;" see barn) + saka "to search," related to
Old Norse soekja "seek" (see seek). Sense influenced by sack (v.).
Related: Ransacked; ransacking."
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ransack

" You can use the verb ransack to describe a careful search --- you
might ransack your backpack looking for your car keys, for example. " I
didn't think that was possible, because there are too few things in a
backpack and too little organization to make much difference. You
won't have to put the paintings back on the wall, or reset overturned
furniture. Just throw everything back in the backpack, takes a minute,
so I thought ransacking it would be impossible.

On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:33:35 -0400, micky wrote:

In alt.windows7.general, on Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:49:56 -0400, Cy Burnot
wrote:

micky wrote on 10/12/2015 5:58 PM:


Did you look under "Search" and select the appropriate option?

Match whole word is checked -- is that what you mean?

No. Look further down that menu.

"Everything" was dotted (not as noticeable maybe a checkmark). Is
that it?

All of this is moot now, I think. Other replies explained this part:

If I select Executable, it lowers the number from 32 (now that the other
partitions are connected) to 25, ALL of which are exactly notepad.exe,
in lower or upper case, including the path d:\windows\system32 and the
same path in two other partitions.

Why do you have a d:\Windows\system32 folder and why don't you think the
copy of Notepad.exe in there is the one you're using?

I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm just curious.

But not C: !! I know I have it. I saw it in Windows Explorer and it
wouldn't work as well as it does if it weren't in the C: partition.


--

Char Jackson

In alt.windows7.general, on Tue, 13 Oct 2015 00:10:29 -0500, Char
Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:33:35 -0400, micky wrote:

In alt.windows7.general, on Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:49:56 -0400, Cy Burnot
wrote:

micky wrote on 10/12/2015 5:58 PM:


Did you look under "Search" and select the appropriate option?

Match whole word is checked -- is that what you mean?

No. Look further down that menu.

"Everything" was dotted (not as noticeable maybe a checkmark). Is
that it?

All of this is moot now, I think. Other replies explained this part:

If I select Executable, it lowers the number from 32 (now that the other
partitions are connected) to 25, ALL of which are exactly notepad.exe,
in lower or upper case, including the path d:\windows\system32 and the
same path in two other partitions.

Why do you have a d:\Windows\system32 folder and why don't you think the

I think I said it someplace that I plugged a couple other HDD's into a
USB dock, and that's where D: comes from. Yeah, my second post in this
thread, at 5:58PM EDT.

copy of Notepad.exe in there is the one you're using?

Because the OS I'm using is in C: and I've personally seen the notepad
in the C\windows\system32 folder.

The dock HDDs come and go depending if the power switch is on or not.

I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm just curious.

But not C: !! I know I have it. I saw it in Windows Explorer and it
wouldn't work as well as it does if it weren't in the C: partition.

I was bothered by this a lot more until David Ross said he had the same
problem, posted by him on the 12th at 6:50PM EDT. I suspect we'll
find an explanation eventually.

micky wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

By the way, Agent Ransack got renamed to FileLocator Lite. Companies
and end users were leery of products that implied they ransacked
their computers plus the program didn't ransack anything so it was
an inappropriate product name.

Yes, I sort of reacted that way. In fact it wasn't until discussion of
this program I knew that ransack meant search. My knowledge of English
definitions is good, if I say so myself. I'm often able to duplicate a
word's definition without looking in the dictionary. But I was pretty
far off this time. I thought it meant knock everything around, and if
there was searching it was something on the side.

But the meaning was there from the beginning.
"ransack (v.) Look up ransack at Dictionary.com
mid-13c., from a Scandinavian source akin to Old Norse rannsaka "to
pillage," literally "search the house" (especially legally, for stolen
goods), from rann "house," from Proto-Germanic *raznan (c.f. Gothic
razn, Old English ærn "house;" see barn) + saka "to search," related to
Old Norse soekja "seek" (see seek). Sense influenced by sack (v.).
Related: Ransacked; ransacking."
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ransack

" You can use the verb ransack to describe a careful search --- you
might ransack your backpack looking for your car keys, for example. " I
didn't think that was possible, because there are too few things in a
backpack and too little organization to make much difference. You
won't have to put the paintings back on the wall, or reset overturned
furniture. Just throw everything back in the backpack, takes a minute,
so I thought ransacking it would be impossible.

Esoteric definitions or etymology are not what an author should rely
upon regarding the perception of his product. The author is trying to
distribute the product today so the common interpretation is what the
author should rely. I doubt a clothing store trying to cull customers
using a coupon would get much response with "fustian venalis" instead of
saying "jeans sale".

2010 build 759, released Mar 15 2010
'FileLocator Lite' alternative branding for corporate environments.

This is as much to which the author will allude for the cause of the
name change. There was also a problem with recognition: FileLocator Pro
versus Agent Ransack were both were products in the same family line but
had dissimilar names. They first stated that the name change was to
align their product names with each other but did mention they were
having image problems, especially when trying to market for corporate
accounts, with the "ransack" product name. Many years back when I
reported some bugs, they relayed what I described: users, especially
companies, did not like the negative *connotation* of "ransack". The
issue was not the denotative meaning(s) of the word.

Remember that some words are used only within certain contexts.
Ransacking your backpack in not equated to ransacking software. While
you may have heard about disgruntled employees, when have you heard
about gruntled employees or disgruntled pets? Conversation using
phrases is learned through use, not by looking up etymologies. Long
past, "girl" was a sexless word that inferred a young child. How many
people using "girl" today are talking about a young servant boy?

Char Jackson wrote:

micky wrote:

All of this is moot now, I think. Other replies explained this part:

If I select Executable, it lowers the number from 32 (now that the
other partitions are connected) to 25, ALL of which are exactly
notepad.exe, in lower or upper case, including the path
d:\windows\system32 and the same path in two other partitions.

Why do you have a d:\Windows\system32 folder and why don't you think the
copy of Notepad.exe in there is the one you're using?

I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm just curious.

After starting notepad.exe, right-clicking on the process in Task
Manager's Process tab will show the path to the process' executable.

While the old pathing default looked for an executable in the current
(working) directory and, if not found there, would use the PATH
environment variable to search those paths, in the order listed, for the
executable, there is also the AppPaths registry entry listing where to
find programs.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\App Paths

Each subkey is the filename of the executable. The "(Default)" named
data item's value is the path to the executable.

I looked in my Win7 setup but notepad.exe is not in the registry
AppPaths list. Windows must be using the old pathing default to find
the executable. The system32 folder should be already added to the
[system] PATH environment variable.

As to why there are so many instances of notepad.exe, I already
explained WinSXS (Windows Side-By-Side repositories) in my reply to
Ross. It is unlikely any app will use those instances of notepad.exe
but that doesn't stop authors from programming their installers to dump
ancilliary albeit superfluous files into their repository.

Your reply cues that micky might have multiple images of Windows on
different disks and why Everything finds so many copies of notepad.exe.
Could be D: is the drive letter assigned to the currently running
instance of Windows and C: is another Windows image (not currently
loaded). Or maybe the OP cloned the C: drive (from which Windows is
currently loaded) to the D: drive which would mean there would be
duplicates of notepad.exe on the D: drive.

On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:35:05 -0400, micky
wrote:

I'm using Vista, but it seems similar to 7.

I wanted to validate my recollection of where notepad.exe resides, so I
opened Everything, which I just installed a few days ago because I saw
it praised here or maybe some other ng.

I only entered notepad and I got 14 objects, but none were the basic
notepad.exe!! When I finishedwriting notepad.exe, there were 9, but
two were notepad.exe.mui, one was prefetch, and 6 were long names that
start
C:\windows\winsxs\x86_microsoft-windows-notepad, or

notepadwin_31bf38....

I later verified that it's in windows\system32.

Why didn't that one show up and what else isn't showing up?

Thanks.


Just a thought if one of your disks is FAT 32 then Everything will not
search these, it is NTFS only.

In article ,
(micky) wrote:

Simplest way to find an executable is to Right-click on the
shortcut to it and

I don't have a shortcut to it, because either the file extension
calls
it, Right-click / Edit calls it, or I use Start / Run / Notepad.

But your idea will work for other programs. Thanks.

Not even in the Accessories section of the Start Menu programs? - You can still
right-click on the entry there and look at the properties.

Regards
John ) Remove the obvious to reply...

Bob L wrote:

micky wrote:

... I opened Everything...
I only entered notepad and I got 14 objects, but none were the basic
notepad.exe!! When I finishedwriting notepad.exe, there were 9,
but two were notepad.exe.mui, one was prefetch, and 6 were long
names that start
C:\windows\winsxs\x86_microsoft-windows-notepad
...

Just a thought if one of your disks is FAT 32 then Everything will not
search these, it is NTFS only.

http://www.voidtools.com/faq/#What_a...for_Everything
What are the system requirements for "Everything"?
"Everything" will run on Windows XP, Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8
Indexing NTFS volumes requires the Everything service or running
"Everything" as administrator.

The OP never mentioned under what type of account he was logged in when
running Everything. Without running as a service or ran under an
admin-level Windows account, the Troubleshooting section says the result
list would be empty or just a list of drives. Since the OP mentions
other files are found (just not the one he was expecting to be
included), doesn't sound like an NTFS problem.

John K.Eason wrote:

snipped his post

John ) Remove the obvious to reply...

That should be in a signature block. Your client did not add the
signature delimiter line ("-- \n", or dash-dash-space-newline). Your
client does not add a header to identify itself so no one can tell you
how to configure it properly when adding a signature (which is usually
fluff and off-topic, anyway).

In article , (VanguardLH) wrote:

*From:* VanguardLH
*Date:* Tue, 13 Oct 2015 09:54:42 -0500

John K.Eason wrote:

snipped his post

John ) Remove the obvious to
reply...

That should be in a signature block. Your client did not add the
signature delimiter line ("-- \n", or dash-dash-space-newline).
Your client does not add a header to identify itself so no one can tell
you how to configure it properly when adding a signature (which is
usually fluff and off-topic, anyway).

I'm well aware of that. This particular software was written many years ago and
handles a private UK conferencing system, newsgroups, and email all correctly
threaded and is no longer updated which is why I specifically keep the sig to a
couple of lines, unlike some in here...

Regards
John ) Remove the obvious to reply...

John K.Eason wrote:

I specifically keep the sig to a couple of lines

Regards
John ) Remove the obvious to reply...

But you do NOT have a sig - because you do NOT include a sigdash line.

If your unidentified Usenet client does not automatically prefix the
sigdash line ("-- \n") then you will need to add it as the first line of
your signature text.

In alt.windows7.general, on Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:30 +0100 (BST),
(John K.Eason) wrote:

In article ,
(micky) wrote:

Simplest way to find an executable is to Right-click on the
shortcut to it and

I don't have a shortcut to it, because either the file extension
calls
it, Right-click / Edit calls it, or I use Start / Run / Notepad.

But your idea will work for other programs. Thanks.

Not even in the Accessories section of the Start Menu programs? - You can still
right-click on the entry there and look at the properties.

Oh, yeah. Didn't think of that. It has:
%SystemRoot%\system32\notepad.exe

And of course when no USB drives are plugged in, I only have a C:
partition.


Regards
John ) Remove the obvious to reply...

On 10/13/2015 12:30 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
John K.Eason wrote:

I specifically keep the sig to a couple of lines

Regards
John ) Remove the obvious to reply...

But you do NOT have a sig - because you do NOT include a sigdash line.

If your unidentified Usenet client does not automatically prefix the
sigdash line ("-- \n") then you will need to add it as the first line of
your signature text.


Per RFC 3676, a signature block begins with dash-dash-space on a line by
itself. Newsgroup applications are supposed to strip away that line amd
anything after it when quoting a prior message in a reply. See my
signature block below for an example.

--
David E. Ross

Is Kim Davis a hero or a villain? See my
http://www.rossde.com/KimDavis.html.