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In
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Mint typed on Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:50:49 -0700 (PDT):
If someone doesn't like Win 7, they simply don't have to buy it.
They do have choices.

Well Andy... I was tricked. As Microsoft had a deal that you could buy
Windows 7 upgrade versions for half price if you preorder before July
11th. So I bought some not really knowing much about it. Now I know much
about it and have regrets. sigh

Also after October, buying a new computer you will be getting Windows 7
most likely. So unless you buy a Linux or a Mac machine, we will have
little choice, eh?

--
Bill
Windows XP SP2 (5.1.2600)
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

BillW50 wrote:
In
,
Mint typed on Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:50:49 -0700 (PDT):
If someone doesn't like Win 7, they simply don't have to buy it.
They do have choices.

Well Andy... I was tricked. As Microsoft had a deal that you could buy
Windows 7 upgrade versions for half price if you preorder before July
11th. So I bought some not really knowing much about it. Now I know much
about it and have regrets. sigh

Also after October, buying a new computer you will be getting Windows 7
most likely. So unless you buy a Linux or a Mac machine, we will have
little choice, eh?


Format the hard drive drive. Install what you want. I just bought a
computer with NO operating system. I put Linux on it.

M

In ,
M typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:13:20 +0200:
BillW50 wrote:
In
,
Mint typed on Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:50:49 -0700 (PDT):
If someone doesn't like Win 7, they simply don't have to buy it.
They do have choices.

Well Andy... I was tricked. As Microsoft had a deal that you could
buy Windows 7 upgrade versions for half price if you preorder before
July 11th. So I bought some not really knowing much about it. Now I
know much about it and have regrets. sigh

Also after October, buying a new computer you will be getting
Windows 7 most likely. So unless you buy a Linux or a Mac machine,
we will have little choice, eh?


Format the hard drive drive. Install what you want. I just bought a
computer with NO operating system. I put Linux on it.

M

So if I want Windows XP, where do I find the drivers for newer hardware
when the manufactures don't bother creating any for XP?

Linux? Been there, done that. Completely useless to me. Can't even
multitask or play media very well. And it only has one hundredth the
applications that Windows does. And anybody who likes Linux is a
masochist IMHO. As why would they want to torture themselves like that?

--
Bill
Windows XP SP2 (5.1.2600)
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

BillW50 wrote:

In ,
M typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:13:20 +0200:

BillW50 wrote:

In
,
Mint typed on Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:50:49 -0700 (PDT):

If someone doesn't like Win 7, they simply don't have to buy it.
They do have choices.

Well Andy... I was tricked. As Microsoft had a deal that you could
buy Windows 7 upgrade versions for half price if you preorder before
July 11th. So I bought some not really knowing much about it. Now I
know much about it and have regrets. sigh

Also after October, buying a new computer you will be getting
Windows 7 most likely. So unless you buy a Linux or a Mac machine,
we will have little choice, eh?


Format the hard drive drive. Install what you want. I just bought a
computer with NO operating system. I put Linux on it.

M


So if I want Windows XP, where do I find the drivers for newer hardware
when the manufactures don't bother creating any for XP?

Linux? Been there, done that. Completely useless to me. Can't even
multitask or play media very well. And it only has one hundredth the
applications that Windows does. And anybody who likes Linux is a
masochist IMHO. As why would they want to torture themselves like that?


If the hardware manufacturer doesn't support the operating system you
wish to use, don't buy that particular hardware.

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Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:39:00 -0500:
BillW50 wrote:

In ,
M typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:13:20 +0200:

BillW50 wrote:

In
,
Mint typed on Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:50:49 -0700 (PDT):

If someone doesn't like Win 7, they simply don't have to buy it.
They do have choices.

Well Andy... I was tricked. As Microsoft had a deal that you could
buy Windows 7 upgrade versions for half price if you preorder
before July 11th. So I bought some not really knowing much about
it. Now I know much about it and have regrets. sigh

Also after October, buying a new computer you will be getting
Windows 7 most likely. So unless you buy a Linux or a Mac machine,
we will have little choice, eh?


Format the hard drive drive. Install what you want. I just bought a
computer with NO operating system. I put Linux on it.

M


So if I want Windows XP, where do I find the drivers for newer
hardware when the manufactures don't bother creating any for XP?

Linux? Been there, done that. Completely useless to me. Can't even
multitask or play media very well. And it only has one hundredth the
applications that Windows does. And anybody who likes Linux is a
masochist IMHO. As why would they want to torture themselves like
that?

If the hardware manufacturer doesn't support the operating system you
wish to use, don't buy that particular hardware.

And which manufactures supplies drivers for XP on their computers that
they are selling now Bob?

--
Bill
Windows XP SP2 (5.1.2600)
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:39:00 -0500:

BillW50 wrote:


In ,
M typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:13:20 +0200:


BillW50 wrote:


In
,
Mint typed on Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:50:49 -0700 (PDT):


If someone doesn't like Win 7, they simply don't have to buy it.
They do have choices.

Well Andy... I was tricked. As Microsoft had a deal that you could
buy Windows 7 upgrade versions for half price if you preorder
before July 11th. So I bought some not really knowing much about
it. Now I know much about it and have regrets. sigh

Also after October, buying a new computer you will be getting
Windows 7 most likely. So unless you buy a Linux or a Mac machine,
we will have little choice, eh?


Format the hard drive drive. Install what you want. I just bought a
computer with NO operating system. I put Linux on it.

M


So if I want Windows XP, where do I find the drivers for newer
hardware when the manufactures don't bother creating any for XP?

Linux? Been there, done that. Completely useless to me. Can't even
multitask or play media very well. And it only has one hundredth the
applications that Windows does. And anybody who likes Linux is a
masochist IMHO. As why would they want to torture themselves like
that?

If the hardware manufacturer doesn't support the operating system you
wish to use, don't buy that particular hardware.


And which manufactures supplies drivers for XP on their computers that
they are selling now Bob?


Computer hardware. But just for you.

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/s...dhs&redirect=1

In ,
Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:18:42 -0500:
BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:39:00 -0500:

BillW50 wrote:


In ,
M typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:13:20 +0200:


BillW50 wrote:


In
,
Mint typed on Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:50:49 -0700 (PDT):


If someone doesn't like Win 7, they simply don't have to buy it.
They do have choices.

Well Andy... I was tricked. As Microsoft had a deal that you
could buy Windows 7 upgrade versions for half price if you
preorder before July 11th. So I bought some not really knowing
much about it. Now I know much about it and have regrets. sigh

Also after October, buying a new computer you will be getting
Windows 7 most likely. So unless you buy a Linux or a Mac
machine, we will have little choice, eh?


Format the hard drive drive. Install what you want. I just bought
a computer with NO operating system. I put Linux on it.

M


So if I want Windows XP, where do I find the drivers for newer
hardware when the manufactures don't bother creating any for XP?

Linux? Been there, done that. Completely useless to me. Can't even
multitask or play media very well. And it only has one hundredth
the applications that Windows does. And anybody who likes Linux is
a masochist IMHO. As why would they want to torture themselves like
that?

If the hardware manufacturer doesn't support the operating system
you wish to use, don't buy that particular hardware.


And which manufactures supplies drivers for XP on their computers
that they are selling now Bob?


Computer hardware. But just for you.

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/s...dhs&redirect=1

And how long will this last Bob? Maybe what you are trying to say is
that people like me should buy up all of the Windows XP systems they can
get their hands on because once they gone, that's it. Is that is what
you are saying, Bob?

And for those of us that has bad luck with Dell computers and won't buy
any more of them... well we are just screwed now, eh Bob?

--
Bill
Windows XP SP2 (5.1.2600)
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:24:55 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:


And how long will this last Bob? Maybe what you are trying to say is
that people like me should buy up all of the Windows XP systems they can
get their hands on because once they gone, that's it. Is that is what
you are saying, Bob?


I don't know what Bob was saying, but here's my view:

Almost certainly, those people who want to buy copies of Windows XP
will be able to do so for a good many years--certainly used, and even
some new ones.

As an experiment, I just went to Amazon.com to see whether they still
offered Windows 95 for sale. They had new copies from two sources and
used copies from six. I didn't bother to also check eBay, but they
probably have even more used copies for sale.

Why did I look for Windows 95? Because Windows 98 came out on July 25,
1998. If you can buy Windows 95 over 11 years after it became
obsolescent, almost certainly you'll be able to do the same with any
other version of Windows, including Windows XP.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
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BillW50 wrote:

In ,
Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:18:42 -0500:

BillW50 wrote:

In ,
Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:39:00 -0500:


BillW50 wrote:



In ,
M typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:13:20 +0200:



BillW50 wrote:



In
,
Mint typed on Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:50:49 -0700 (PDT):



If someone doesn't like Win 7, they simply don't have to buy it.
They do have choices.

Well Andy... I was tricked. As Microsoft had a deal that you
could buy Windows 7 upgrade versions for half price if you
preorder before July 11th. So I bought some not really knowing
much about it. Now I know much about it and have regrets. sigh

Also after October, buying a new computer you will be getting
Windows 7 most likely. So unless you buy a Linux or a Mac
machine, we will have little choice, eh?


Format the hard drive drive. Install what you want. I just bought
a computer with NO operating system. I put Linux on it.

M


So if I want Windows XP, where do I find the drivers for newer
hardware when the manufactures don't bother creating any for XP?

Linux? Been there, done that. Completely useless to me. Can't even
multitask or play media very well. And it only has one hundredth
the applications that Windows does. And anybody who likes Linux is
a masochist IMHO. As why would they want to torture themselves like
that?

If the hardware manufacturer doesn't support the operating system
you wish to use, don't buy that particular hardware.


And which manufactures supplies drivers for XP on their computers
that they are selling now Bob?


Computer hardware. But just for you.

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/s...dhs&redirect=1


And how long will this last Bob? Maybe what you are trying to say is
that people like me should buy up all of the Windows XP systems they can
get their hands on because once they gone, that's it. Is that is what
you are saying, Bob?

And for those of us that has bad luck with Dell computers and won't buy
any more of them... well we are just screwed now, eh Bob?


I think someone needs to do a reality check, you can't buy PCs with
Windows 2000, NT4, Win 3.11 either.

BillW50 wrote:
In ,
M typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:13:20 +0200:
BillW50 wrote:
In
,
Mint typed on Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:50:49 -0700 (PDT):
If someone doesn't like Win 7, they simply don't have to buy it.
They do have choices.
Well Andy... I was tricked. As Microsoft had a deal that you could
buy Windows 7 upgrade versions for half price if you preorder before
July 11th. So I bought some not really knowing much about it. Now I
know much about it and have regrets. sigh

Also after October, buying a new computer you will be getting
Windows 7 most likely. So unless you buy a Linux or a Mac machine,
we will have little choice, eh?

Format the hard drive drive. Install what you want. I just bought a
computer with NO operating system. I put Linux on it.

M

So if I want Windows XP, where do I find the drivers for newer hardware
when the manufactures don't bother creating any for XP?

False, they still do. I just installed XP on a computer that was bought
three days ago. It came with an XP friendly ASUS mother board CD with
the drivers for the chipset, on board audio and NIC. The nVidia 9800 GT
had XP drivers at the nVidia site. You can get a copy of XP from NewEgg.

Linux? Been there, done that.

How long ago?

Completely useless to me. Can't even
multitask or play media very well. And it only has one hundredth the
applications that Windows does. And anybody who likes Linux is a
masochist IMHO. As why would they want to torture themselves like that?

I have no problem with it. I was not suggesting you use Linux, btw.

M

BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:39:00 -0500:
BillW50 wrote:

In ,
M typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:13:20 +0200:

BillW50 wrote:

In
,
Mint typed on Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:50:49 -0700 (PDT):

If someone doesn't like Win 7, they simply don't have to buy it.
They do have choices.
Well Andy... I was tricked. As Microsoft had a deal that you could
buy Windows 7 upgrade versions for half price if you preorder
before July 11th. So I bought some not really knowing much about
it. Now I know much about it and have regrets. sigh

Also after October, buying a new computer you will be getting
Windows 7 most likely. So unless you buy a Linux or a Mac machine,
we will have little choice, eh?

Format the hard drive drive. Install what you want. I just bought a
computer with NO operating system. I put Linux on it.

M

So if I want Windows XP, where do I find the drivers for newer
hardware when the manufactures don't bother creating any for XP?

Linux? Been there, done that. Completely useless to me. Can't even
multitask or play media very well. And it only has one hundredth the
applications that Windows does. And anybody who likes Linux is a
masochist IMHO. As why would they want to torture themselves like
that?
If the hardware manufacturer doesn't support the operating system you
wish to use, don't buy that particular hardware.

And which manufactures supplies drivers for XP on their computers that
they are selling now Bob?


Not the point. You need drivers for the motherboard. If you have a
dedicated graphics card, you need them for the card too, as well as if
you have a dedicated sound card. If all is on board, you only need the
CD that comes with the motherboard. Hardware makers know the popularity
of XP, trust me. Computer makers like Dell and HP are totally irrelevant.

M

In ,
Ken Blake, MVP typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:50:05 -0700:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:24:55 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

And how long will this last Bob? Maybe what you are trying to say is
that people like me should buy up all of the Windows XP systems they
can get their hands on because once they gone, that's it. Is that is
what you are saying, Bob?

I don't know what Bob was saying, but here's my view:

Almost certainly, those people who want to buy copies of Windows XP
will be able to do so for a good many years--certainly used, and even
some new ones.

As an experiment, I just went to Amazon.com to see whether they still
offered Windows 95 for sale. They had new copies from two sources and
used copies from six. I didn't bother to also check eBay, but they
probably have even more used copies for sale.

Why did I look for Windows 95? Because Windows 98 came out on July 25,
1998. If you can buy Windows 95 over 11 years after it became
obsolescent, almost certainly you'll be able to do the same with any
other version of Windows, including Windows XP.

Well finding older version of Windows isn't much of a problem. The
problem comes in that drivers for newer hardware usually doesn't exists.

I personally won't mind running Windows v3.1 and Windows 95 once again
(mainly for fun) on a modern machine. As I bet they would run lighting
fast. But drivers doesn't exists for newer hardware.

--
Bill
Windows XP SP2 (5.1.2600)
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

In ,
Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:51:15 -0500:
BillW50 wrote:

In ,
Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:18:42 -0500:

BillW50 wrote:

In ,
Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:39:00 -0500:


BillW50 wrote:



In ,
M typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:13:20 +0200:



BillW50 wrote:



In
,
Mint typed on Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:50:49 -0700 (PDT):



If someone doesn't like Win 7, they simply don't have to buy
it. They do have choices.

Well Andy... I was tricked. As Microsoft had a deal that you
could buy Windows 7 upgrade versions for half price if you
preorder before July 11th. So I bought some not really knowing
much about it. Now I know much about it and have regrets.
sigh Also after October, buying a new computer you will be
getting
Windows 7 most likely. So unless you buy a Linux or a Mac
machine, we will have little choice, eh?


Format the hard drive drive. Install what you want. I just
bought a computer with NO operating system. I put Linux on it.

M


So if I want Windows XP, where do I find the drivers for newer
hardware when the manufactures don't bother creating any for XP?

Linux? Been there, done that. Completely useless to me. Can't
even multitask or play media very well. And it only has one
hundredth the applications that Windows does. And anybody who
likes Linux is a masochist IMHO. As why would they want to
torture themselves like that?

If the hardware manufacturer doesn't support the operating system
you wish to use, don't buy that particular hardware.


And which manufactures supplies drivers for XP on their computers
that they are selling now Bob?


Computer hardware. But just for you.

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/s...dhs&redirect=1


And how long will this last Bob? Maybe what you are trying to say is
that people like me should buy up all of the Windows XP systems they
can get their hands on because once they gone, that's it. Is that is
what you are saying, Bob?

And for those of us that has bad luck with Dell computers and won't
buy any more of them... well we are just screwed now, eh Bob?


I think someone needs to do a reality check, you can't buy PCs with
Windows 2000, NT4, Win 3.11 either.

Yes Bob, try a reality check. Corporate and many users have rejected
Vista and I predict this will be true of Windows 7 as well. So that
leaves many with just Windows XP.

--
Bill
Windows XP SP2 (5.1.2600)
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

In ,
M typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:02:33 +0200:
BillW50 wrote:
In ,
M typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:13:20 +0200:
BillW50 wrote:
In
,
Mint typed on Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:50:49 -0700 (PDT):
If someone doesn't like Win 7, they simply don't have to buy it.
They do have choices.
Well Andy... I was tricked. As Microsoft had a deal that you could
buy Windows 7 upgrade versions for half price if you preorder
before July 11th. So I bought some not really knowing much about
it. Now I know much about it and have regrets. sigh

Also after October, buying a new computer you will be getting
Windows 7 most likely. So unless you buy a Linux or a Mac machine,
we will have little choice, eh?

Format the hard drive drive. Install what you want. I just bought a
computer with NO operating system. I put Linux on it.

M

So if I want Windows XP, where do I find the drivers for newer
hardware when the manufactures don't bother creating any for XP?

False, they still do. I just installed XP on a computer that was
bought three days ago. It came with an XP friendly ASUS mother board
CD with the drivers for the chipset, on board audio and NIC. The
nVidia 9800 GT had XP drivers at the nVidia site. You can get a copy
of XP from NewEgg.

Using Intel CPU and chipset?

Linux? Been there, done that.

How long ago?

For the past year with Xandros, Ubuntu, and Puppy. Drivers for devices
are often missing, applications are rare, multimedia performance is
poor, etc. And OpenOffice can't even convert text to sentence or title
case. It's completely useless since I need to fire up a real machine to
get a simple job done.

Completely useless to me. Can't even multitask or play media very
well. And it only has one hundredth the applications that Windows
does. And anybody who likes Linux is a masochist IMHO. As why would
they want to torture themselves like that?

I have no problem with it. I was not suggesting you use Linux, btw.

Cool and nice looking it is. But I need an OS that does something more
than just sitting there and looking pretty. wink

--
Bill
Windows XP SP2 (5.1.2600)
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:26:28 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Ken Blake, MVP typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:50:05 -0700:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:24:55 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

And how long will this last Bob? Maybe what you are trying to say is
that people like me should buy up all of the Windows XP systems they
can get their hands on because once they gone, that's it. Is that is
what you are saying, Bob?

I don't know what Bob was saying, but here's my view:

Almost certainly, those people who want to buy copies of Windows XP
will be able to do so for a good many years--certainly used, and even
some new ones.

As an experiment, I just went to Amazon.com to see whether they still
offered Windows 95 for sale. They had new copies from two sources and
used copies from six. I didn't bother to also check eBay, but they
probably have even more used copies for sale.

Why did I look for Windows 95? Because Windows 98 came out on July 25,
1998. If you can buy Windows 95 over 11 years after it became
obsolescent, almost certainly you'll be able to do the same with any
other version of Windows, including Windows XP.

Well finding older version of Windows isn't much of a problem. The
problem comes in that drivers for newer hardware usually doesn't exists.


Well that's often true (especially for laptops), but it's a different
statement from the one I replied to.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
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