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  #31  
Old October 7th 17, 02:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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I thought all of that was done during
Beta testing so there wouldn't be any
surprises but I see your point.

Vista wasn't a hit or Windows 8.

Thanks,
Robert

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Old October 7th 17, 04:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mark Twain wrote:
I thought all of that was done during
Beta testing so there wouldn't be any
surprises but I see your point.

Vista wasn't a hit or Windows 8.

Thanks,
Robert


I found more information on the topic.

The yellow folder thing is a "feature in transition".

The folder icon used to be done with a PNG.

They are changing it (in version 57) to an SVG
or Scalable Vector Graphics file. Presumably they have some
way to abuse the GPU on the video card, to make that
load faster than a PNG.

On version 56, I gather (it's possible) that the icon
is still a PNG, but they changed the color on it to
the crappy gray color. You can create a folder inside the
Firefox profile folder (xxxxxxxx.default) called "chrome".
And put a file named "userchrome.css" inside it. This folder
and file are *not* there be default. If you want to
do this kind of customization, that's how you do it.

xxxxxxxx.default\chrome\userchrome.css

Inside that file, you can place some CSS code, to
cause the grey folder icon to become yellow-ish. The
only problem with this, is the icon itself looks like
crap, and turning it yellow really isn't helping.

I tested it, and it did change color. But it doesn't
look good.

But when version 57 comes in, I have a suspicion
that "fix" isn't going to work.

There is also an addon, a kind of "Classic Restorer"
which messes with themes. But it's likely to get
broken when version 57 comes along too. The language
for plugins changed, and so the plugins had to be
re-written to work.

*******

I wonder if it's possible to re-write software,
and keep the appearance of the browser the same ?
No, no, I'm being silly. It's just too much fun
to **** off users... What was I thinking :-\
[Awesome Bar, I'm lookin at you...]

What this amounts to really, is a battle of ****wits.
The Google Chrome developers are "ahead" of the
Mozilla Firefox developers. Therefore, the Firefox
developers have an "inferiority complex". They
must "impress" their competitors, with crafty
code changes. However, the users don't figure into
these changes. We're merely along for the ride, putting
up with whatever happens.

They've never cared before about what we thought,
and the Awesome Bar introduction around Firefox 2 or
3 or so, was the beginning of this "screw the user"
attitude. I noticed just recently that they remotely
"broke" my fix for the Awesome Bar, by breaking some
plugin I've been using for *years*.

So the reason I'm not really preparing a nice recipe,
is because I fear that version 57 will just break
it all again. In many ways, the rolling release of
Firefox causes just as many issue as the rolling release
of Windows 10 (mess up your customizations, undo your
work).

Enjoy those gray icons.

Paul
  #33  
Old October 7th 17, 08:49 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , Paul
writes:
[]
I wonder if it's possible to re-write software,
and keep the appearance of the browser the same ?
No, no, I'm being silly. It's just too much fun
to **** off users... What was I thinking :-\

[]
these changes. We're merely along for the ride, putting
up with whatever happens.


I'm not: I just turned off updates! My Firefox 26 looks as it always
did. (Unfortunately, an increasing number of pages don't display
properly, so I have to use Chrome for those.)
[]
So the reason I'm not really preparing a nice recipe,
is because I fear that version 57 will just break
it all again. In many ways, the rolling release of
Firefox causes just as many issue as the rolling release
of Windows 10 (mess up your customizations, undo your
work).

[]
Nice to see a little rant from you occasionally (-:! You're usually very
(and commendably) neutral on the updates-are-good-or-bad question.

Given that this is in the XP 'group, your Firefox will stabilise anyway,
as I gather versions after 52 don't work on XP.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

So, Heresy be damned (well, it would be, wouldn't it?).
Radio Times 24-30 July 2010 (page 24)
  #34  
Old October 7th 17, 02:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
[]
I wonder if it's possible to re-write software,
and keep the appearance of the browser the same ?
No, no, I'm being silly. It's just too much fun
to **** off users... What was I thinking :-\

[]
these changes. We're merely along for the ride, putting
up with whatever happens.


I'm not: I just turned off updates! My Firefox 26 looks as it always
did. (Unfortunately, an increasing number of pages don't display
properly, so I have to use Chrome for those.)
[]
So the reason I'm not really preparing a nice recipe,
is because I fear that version 57 will just break
it all again. In many ways, the rolling release of
Firefox causes just as many issue as the rolling release
of Windows 10 (mess up your customizations, undo your
work).

[]
Nice to see a little rant from you occasionally (-:! You're usually very
(and commendably) neutral on the updates-are-good-or-bad question.

Given that this is in the XP 'group, your Firefox will stabilise anyway,
as I gather versions after 52 don't work on XP.


Here is a comparison of the folder icons.

The one on the left, is after you convert a Firefox 56 gray
folder to a yellow color. The one on the right is an older
version of Firefox for comparison.

https://s1.postimg.org/8fyynary4v/ye...er_compare.gif

The difference, is the right-hand one has additional shading
to make it more distinctive. It makes the icon easier to make out.

*******

This is the userchrome.css to turn the left hand folder a yellow color.

What I don't know, is what parts of the file system files like
this have access to (i.e. access a custom icon). I could find
at least one reference to a folder.png that seemed to use
an internal namespace of some sort (not in this file, but elsewhere).

*********** begin userchrome.css ***********

@namespace url(http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gat....is.only.xul);

..bookmark-item[container], treechildren::-moz-tree-image(container) {
fill: gold !important;
}

treechildren::-moz-tree-image(container, OrganizerQuery_BookmarksToolbar) {
fill: black !important;
}

treechildren::-moz-tree-image(container, OrganizerQuery_BookmarksMenu) {
fill: black !important;
}

treechildren::-moz-tree-image(container, OrganizerQuery_UnfiledBookmarks) {
fill: black !important;
}

treechildren::-moz-tree-image(container, livemark) {
fill: orange !important;
}

..bookmark-item[container][query], treechildren::-moz-tree-image(container, query) {
fill: dimgray !important;
}

*********** end userchrome.css ***********

And that CSS code is from this page.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1178010

"There are only color and font settings for web pages in the
user interface and not for the user interface [itself].

The appearance of icons is part of the Firefox theme and
like mentioned before Firefox is switching to a new design
under the name Photon where speed will be optimized and this
has lead to developing icons that are SVG images and no
longer compressed PNG images.

* https://www.ghacks.net/?s=photon
"

Firefox also has "themes", but I don't know if they make
resolving this issue easier or not.

HTH,
Paul
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Old October 8th 17, 12:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Paul wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
[]
I wonder if it's possible to re-write software,
and keep the appearance of the browser the same ?
No, no, I'm being silly. It's just too much fun
to **** off users... What was I thinking :-\

[]
these changes. We're merely along for the ride, putting
up with whatever happens.


I'm not: I just turned off updates! My Firefox 26 looks as it always
did. (Unfortunately, an increasing number of pages don't display
properly, so I have to use Chrome for those.)
[]
So the reason I'm not really preparing a nice recipe,
is because I fear that version 57 will just break
it all again. In many ways, the rolling release of
Firefox causes just as many issue as the rolling release
of Windows 10 (mess up your customizations, undo your
work).

[]
Nice to see a little rant from you occasionally (-:! You're usually
very (and commendably) neutral on the updates-are-good-or-bad question.

Given that this is in the XP 'group, your Firefox will stabilise
anyway, as I gather versions after 52 don't work on XP.


Here is a comparison of the folder icons.

https://s1.postimg.org/8fyynary4v/ye...er_compare.gif


It just gets more interesting, the more research I do.

They don't seem to be interested in rendering SVG in
real time. It seems to be more of an intermediate representation,
a kind of "compression method". The program ships with a document
full of SVG sprites, and then they want to convert it back to
a properly scaled bitmap. As the bitmap works faster.

You can see (or not) in this example, what a properly
drawn icon buys you. The file can be scaled on screen,
to any size, and continues to look as good. Since the
language is a vector one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Firefox-logo.svg

If you download that file, by right-clicking the icon,
you can load that in GIMP. I've converted it here, so you don't
have to.

https://s1.postimg.org/6x324sk7a7/Firefox.jpg

That's a scalable graphic. They can rescale it to any
resolution they want. Whereas if you rescaled a PNG, it
would have "jaggies" on the edges or whatever.

Based on the quality of that graphic, they *should* be
able to draw a yellow folder icon with gradient shading,
when it comes time for Firefox 57 Photon edition.

But, will they ?

Also, if you download the "Firefox-logo.svg" file from that
Wikipedia page, if you change the file extension to .txt,
the file can be edited with a text editor. The actual file
is an XML file. And the SVG "vectors" are stored in XML. And you
can see the file format has great promise. All it takes
is skilled manipulation to make Firefox 57 look as good
as Firefox 50.

Paul
  #36  
Old October 8th 17, 12:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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It sounds allot like cell phones; releasing
them before they got the bugs worked out and
they still have problems.

I still have a old fashion phone connected to
the wall and works every time. I don't have to
charge it either.

I've gotten used to the gray folders now until
they switch colors again.

Robert



 




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