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  #1  
Old October 18th 17, 04:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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Default Outlook and shutdown question

Hi All,

I have a customer who forgets to shutdown his computer at
night (mainly because he doesn't know when he is coming or
going from the office and leaves it running). It is
causing issues with the Volume Shadow Service (VSS).
(Takes about four days to crash.)

So I was going to set a task

shutdown.exe /r /f /t 300

at 3:00 am to reboot (/r) his machine.

And give all his programs 5 minutes (/t 300) to terminate
on their own before forcing the issue (/f).

The only program I am concerned about is his Outlook,
which he leaves running all the time. You guys see an
issue with what I want to do?

-T
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  #2  
Old October 18th 17, 10:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Outlook and shutdown question

T wrote:

I have a customer who forgets to shutdown his computer at night
(mainly because he doesn't know when he is coming or going from the
office and leaves it running). It is causing issues with the Volume
Shadow Service (VSS). (Takes about four days to crash.)

So I was going to set a task

shutdown.exe /r /f /t 300

at 3:00 am to reboot (/r) his machine.

And give all his programs 5 minutes (/t 300) to terminate on their own
before forcing the issue (/f).

The only program I am concerned about is his Outlook, which he leaves
running all the time. You guys see an issue with what I want to do?


Outlook provides no external means of gracefully shutting it down. As a
consequence, smashing it using taskkill or shutdown with /f means
Outlook will notice that it was not properly shutdown for its prior
session and may prompt the user the next time it is started. I forgot
what the prompt says but it notes Outlook did not properly close and, I
believe, asks the user if they want to recover or not (which has
something to do with rebuilding some indexes).

You could run a script that asks Outlook to quit or use AutoHotkey or
similar to click on the File menu to select Exit. I found someone
offering a script that sends a quit message to Outlook to see if it will
gracefully exit. If not, it gets killed.

https://www.howto-outlook.com/howto/...lookscript.htm

A long time ago, it was a problem getting the backup program to save
Outlook's files in a backup image while Outlook was running so its files
were inuse. I haven't had that problem in so long with backups that I
cannot remember how long ago that problem went away. You sure it is a
problem with VSS or with your Cobian's use of VSS? Is Cobian or the
scripts you wrote for it to use running with admin-level privileges?
Admin privs are required to utilitize the VSS service and its snapshots.

VSS will exclude some files, by default, in a snapshot. As I recall,
PST files will be included but OST files are not. See:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...snottosnapshot
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...(v=vs.85).aspx
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...-backup-image/

I don't have the FilesNotToBackup data item defined in Windows 7 x64.
That data item is something a backup application defines to determine
what it will skip (omit in a shadow snapshot).

If your Outlook users are using Exchange (to an Exchange server or to
online Microsoft accounts) or IMAP then they are using .ost files, not
..pst files. However, with Exchange or IMAP, the server is the backup.
You could wipe a drive, format, install a new OS, install a new client,
and when that client reconnects to the old Exchange or IMAP account then
all the old e-mails are still sitting there in the prior state of that
mailbox.

The recommendation I've seen on handling OST files is *not* to restore
an .ost file but to regenerate it; i.e., exit the client, delete or
rename the .ost file (if included in a restore or it's corrupted and you
want to rebuild) and reload the client which will re-retrieve the
current state of the mailbox to build a new .ost file (how long that
takes depends on the size of the mailbox - could be 10-60 minutes).
  #3  
Old October 19th 17, 02:05 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Outlook and shutdown question

On 2017-10-18 11:55, T wrote:

Hi All,

I have a customer who forgets to shutdown his computer at
night (mainly because he doesn't know when he is coming or
going from the office and leaves it running). It is
causing issues with the Volume Shadow Service (VSS).
(Takes about four days to crash.)


I never shut down my work computer, and have no issues with VSS. Can you
explain more?

So I was going to set a task
shutdown.exe /r /f /t 300
at 3:00 am to reboot (/r) his machine.

And give all his programs 5 minutes (/t 300) to terminate
on their own before forcing the issue (/f).


When you do shutdown /t 300, programs are not told right then an there
that there will be a shutdown in 300 seconds. The delay is JUST for
humans. Programs will be told to shutdown at the end of the delay.

The only program I am concerned about is his Outlook,
which he leaves running all the time. You guys see an
issue with what I want to do?


I don't think it'll be a problem. My own Outlook at work rarely closes
anymore (i.e. I close it but it keeps running in Task Manager) so I End
Task it constantly, and have not seen any corruption of my database.
Maybe my using End Task so often is what makes it not close anymore, I
don't know, but my emails are still all there and coming and going fine...

Best Regards,

--
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oO-( )-Oo Have you kissed your doorknob lately?

  #4  
Old October 19th 17, 06:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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Default Outlook and shutdown question

On 10/18/2017 02:14 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:



https://www.howto-outlook.com/howto/...lookscript.htm


Thank you!

You sure it is a
problem with VSS or with your Cobian's use of VSS? Is Cobian or the
scripts you wrote for it to use running with admin-level privileges?
Admin privs are required to utilitize the VSS service and its snapshots.


Cobian is running a system service. I can reproduce the
issue after about 4 days of no reboots. Then correct the issue
by going into services and restarting vss. It isn't
Cobian's fault. His Firefox gets weird and draggy about
the same time too.


VSS will exclude some files, by default, in a snapshot. As I recall,
PST files will be included but OST files are not. See:


The recommendation I've seen on handling OST files is *not* to restore
an .ost file but to regenerate it; i.e., exit the client, delete or
rename the .ost file (if included in a restore or it's corrupted and you
want to rebuild) and reload the client which will re-retrieve the
current state of the mailbox to build a new .ost file (how long that
takes depends on the size of the mailbox - could be 10-60 minutes).


His would be about 4 hours. It is 20+ GB

Speaking with him yesterday, he only powers off on Friday.
The rest of the week, he exits Firefox and Outlook before
leaving the office.

I have to remember that the P in PC stands for "Personal".
I don't see it any more work to press "shutdown" after exiting
Outlook and Firefox, but he does.

With the Samsung (I am an authorized reseller of Samsung SSDs),
shutting down and starting up is really quick too.

Instead of having me reboot it at 3AM, he had me power it off at
10PM. Different strokes for different folks.

  #5  
Old October 19th 17, 06:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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Default Outlook and shutdown question

On 10/18/2017 06:05 PM, B00ze wrote:
On 2017-10-18 11:55, T wrote:

Hi All,

I have a customer who forgets to shutdown his computer at
night (mainly because he doesn't know when he is coming or
going from the office and leaves it running).Â* It is
causing issues with the Volume Shadow Service (VSS).
(Takes about four days to crash.)


I never shut down my work computer, and have no issues with VSS. Can you
explain more?


He only powers off on Fridays. Cobian is set to use VSS to
back up and it does, until Thursday. Then Cobian complains about
not being able to contact VSS, so Cobian backs up without it.

If I go into Services and restart VSS, Cobian is happy again.
His Firefox gets draggy at about the same time too.


So I was going to set a task
shutdown.exe /r /f /t 300
at 3:00 am to reboot (/r) his machine.

And give all his programs 5 minutes (/t 300) to terminate
on their own before forcing the issue (/f).


When you do shutdown /t 300, programs are not told right then an there
that there will be a shutdown in 300 seconds. The delay is JUST for
humans. Programs will be told to shutdown at the end of the delay.


That I misunderstood. Thank you!


The only program I am concerned about is his Outlook,
which he leaves running all the time.Â* You guys see an
issue with what I want to do?


I don't think it'll be a problem. My own Outlook at work rarely closes
anymore (i.e. I close it but it keeps running in Task Manager) so I End
Task it constantly, and have not seen any corruption of my database.
Maybe my using End Task so often is what makes it not close anymore, I
don't know, but my emails are still all there and coming and going fine...

Best Regards,


I have task killed Outlook on several machines before and have never
had an issue.

Speaking with him yesterday, he only powers off on Friday.
The rest of the week, he exits Firefox and Outlook before
leaving the office.

I have to remember that the P in PC stands for "Personal".
I don't see it any more work to press "shutdown" after exiting
Outlook and Firefox, but he does.

With the Samsung (I am an authorized reseller of Samsung SSDs),
shutting down and starting up is really quick too.

Instead of having me reboot it at 3AM, he had me power it off at
10PM. Different strokes for different folks.


  #6  
Old October 20th 17, 03:57 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
B00ze
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Default Outlook and shutdown question

On 2017-10-19 13:30, T wrote:

On 10/18/2017 06:05 PM, B00ze wrote:
On 2017-10-18 11:55, T wrote:

Hi All,

I have a customer who forgets to shutdown his computer at
night (mainly because he doesn't know when he is coming or
going from the office and leaves it running). It is
causing issues with the Volume Shadow Service (VSS).
(Takes about four days to crash.)


I never shut down my work computer, and have no issues with VSS. Can
you explain more?


He only powers off on Fridays. Cobian is set to use VSS to
back up and it does, until Thursday. Then Cobian complains about
not being able to contact VSS, so Cobian backs up without it.


So Vanguard was right about you using Cobian, lol, you must've written
about this before. And you are correct then about some problem with VSS.
Is Cobian giving you a nice 0x8??????? error number for VSS that we can
look at?

If I go into Services and restart VSS, Cobian is happy again.
His Firefox gets draggy at about the same time too.


Firefox could be related, but I'd think /everything/ would get draggy -
why would Firefox become slow and nothing else...

So I was going to set a task
shutdown.exe /r /f /t 300
at 3:00 am to reboot (/r) his machine.

And give all his programs 5 minutes (/t 300) to terminate
on their own before forcing the issue (/f).


When you do shutdown /t 300, programs are not told right then an there
that there will be a shutdown in 300 seconds. The delay is JUST for
humans. Programs will be told to shutdown at the end of the delay.


That I misunderstood. Thank you!

The only program I am concerned about is his Outlook,
which he leaves running all the time. You guys see an
issue with what I want to do?


I don't think it'll be a problem. My own Outlook at work rarely closes
anymore (i.e. I close it but it keeps running in Task Manager) so I
End Task it constantly, and have not seen any corruption of my
database. Maybe my using End Task so often is what makes it not close
anymore, I don't know, but my emails are still all there and coming
and going fine...


I have task killed Outlook on several machines before and have
never had an issue.


Yeah, it's amazing how resilient it is for that, and how bad it is for
other things...

Speaking with him yesterday, he only powers off on Friday.
The rest of the week, he exits Firefox and Outlook before
leaving the office.

I have to remember that the P in PC stands for "Personal".
I don't see it any more work to press "shutdown" after exiting
Outlook and Firefox, but he does.


I *hate* having to reboot at work, I have so many windows and things
running, it's just a pain.

With the Samsung (I am an authorized reseller of Samsung SSDs),
shutting down and starting up is really quick too.


Best SSDs out there as far as I'm concerned.

Instead of having me reboot it at 3AM, he had me power it off at
10PM. Different strokes for different folks.


Yeah, that works, so long as Cobian can wake it up for the backup...

Best Regards,

--
! _\|/_ Sylvain /
! (o o) Memberavid-Suzuki-Fdn/EFF/Red+Cross/SPCA/Planetary-Society
oO-( )-Oo Dammit Jim, she's dead! Get off her! -McCoy

  #7  
Old October 20th 17, 07:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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Default Outlook and shutdown question

On 10/19/2017 07:57 PM, B00ze wrote:
On 2017-10-19 13:30, T wrote:

On 10/18/2017 06:05 PM, B00ze wrote:


So Vanguard was right about you using Cobian, lol, you must've written
about this before. And you are correct then about some problem with VSS.
Is Cobian giving you a nice 0x8??????? error number for VSS that we can
look at?


Yes. I have asked for help with various Cobian issues before.
It is abandonware, but I have not been able to find anything better.

The error is

ERR 2017-09-25 09:30 Couldn't contact the Volume Shadow Copy requester.
Please check that the service is installed and running

And it is not Cobian's fault. VSS really is jammed. Restarting
VSS cures the problem.

I suppose I could add a script to kill and restart VSS.
I have one I wrote for another service I could modify.
First, it asks "nicely" for the service to shut down,
then it hits it with a hammer if it refuses to exit
when asked with "pretty please".

But that would still leave an unstable system for everything else.

If I go into Services and restart VSS, Cobian is happy again.
His Firefox gets draggy at about the same time too.


Firefox could be related, but I'd think /everything/ would get draggy -
why would Firefox become slow and nothing else...


Oh, not a good comparison. He only uses Outlook and Firefox.
Occasionally Excel, so there is really nothing else to check.
The feedback I get from him when he gets unstable is "This
computer is running like s***! What did you do to it?"
(He is teasing on the what did I do to it -- he is fun to
work for.)

With the Samsung (I am an authorized reseller of Samsung SSDs),
shutting down and starting up is really quick too.


Best SSDs out there as far as I'm concerned.


Don't get me started. Stay the hell away from Intel's SSD!

Instead of having me reboot it at 3AM, he had me power it off at
10PM. Different strokes for different folks.


Yeah, that works, so long as Cobian can wake it up for the backup...


Originally, I asked all three of them how they wanted to schedule
their backups. Thye decided to do them manually at quitting time
with an automatic shutdown afterwards. Then proceeded to NEVER
do it.

So I set Cobian to go off at 09:00. They can't even tell.
Problem solved.


On another note: I have been replacing Firefox 56.0.1 with
57.0b9 (v57 beta 9) and it fixed a lot of the performance drag
and video player issues folk have been having it 56.0.1

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Old October 20th 17, 09:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Outlook and shutdown question

T wrote:

Originally, I asked all three of them how they wanted to schedule
their backups. Thye decided to do them manually at quitting time
with an automatic shutdown afterwards. Then proceeded to NEVER do
it.


What about defining an event in Task Scheduler that runs at quitting
time, or late Friday, or just before whenever the backups are scheduled
to run that uses the option to wait for the computer to be idle. If
they leave at 5 PM and the backup runs at 2 AM then the computer should
have already been idle for hours, probably even for someone that stays
late at the office. Else, use the "Start the task only if the computer
is idle for N minutes/hours". Although the drop-down list presented
for that option has pre-defined values, you can edit the selection field
for that drop-down control, like changing "10 minutes" to "40 minutes".
Schedule the kill event to run, say, 1 hour before the backup job, have
the event wait for the computer to go idle for, say, 10 minutes, and
have that event retry for up to 1 hour.

Task Scheduler doesn't do dependent events. That is, you cannot have an
event pend until one, or more, prior events have completed. Nor can you
have an event run or not depending on the status of a prior event.
There are other schedulers that will run events in a specific order
where you can define dependency (other event must end before starting
another, prior event must return zero status code so it ran okay, etc).
Sorry, don't remember what was that other scheduler. A company I worked
at a long time ago use it because they needed scheduled tasks to be
dependent based on several conditions. Only remembered that it cost
around $30-$40. I wrote scripts to make the events dependent in Task
Scheduler but they didn't want to rely on someone after me having to
understand batch scripts in case a modification was needed. There's
VisualCron which is pricey ($99) or very pricey (up to $9999); however,
the customers choice will be to pay you for however many hours it takes
you to roll your own interdependent scripts or pay you for less hours
and pay for a Task Scheduler alternative that can do dependencies.

Since you're using scripts, you could use system environment variables
to relay that information across scheduled events. One variable would
show the status of an event as "running" but at its very end blank,
null, or delete that environment variable. Another variable could relay
the status of the job. If the programs or scripts ran inside a script
return a status code, you could save it in a variable. Then in an event
that should run later (is dependent), you could have its script check if
the other event is still running or if it failed. While Task Scheduler
would start the 2nd event, that script would pause waiting until the
system environment variable no longer had a value of "running" or was no
longer defined. Task Scheduler would show the 2nd event as running but
the script is waiting for the 1st event to end. The 2nd event's script
could also get status from the 1st event in another variable. If the
1st event failed, probably no point in running the 2nd event, or attempt
some recovery script in the 2nd script for the failure in the 1st event.

Task Scheduler also can have an event triggered by an event. Edit an
event and go to the Triggers tab. Look at the "Begin the task"
drop-down listbox. One is to trigger by event. What that does is
monitor the event logs (what you see using Event Viewer) to detect when
a specific event occurs. The problem is, one, does a scheduled task
generate (log) an event that will show up in the event logs and, two,
will you know what is that event (event or log category, the source that
generates that event, and the event's ID).

For example, there is a 3rd party enhancement to the Windows Firewall
that adds permissions on outbound connections. The Windows Firefox, by
default, only regulates [unsolicited] inbound connections. A user found
out how to change the default of allow everything out to blocking
everything out and triggering on an event on the block to display a
prompt asking if you wanted to continue blocking, always block, or add a
rule to allow the outbound connection from whatever source. The trick
was to reconfigure Windows Firewall to block all outbound connections
(instead of allowing all), trigger on the blocked event (monitor the
event logs), and display a prompt letting the user decide what to do.
Instead of replacing the Windows Firewall, the author only needed to
write and keep loaded a small utility that monitored for the blocked
events and show a prompt. The result is very similar to 3rd party
firewalls that will prompt on an outbound connect request. While
vendors are removing support for older versions of Windows XP, this
solution continues using the Windows Firewall already there but changes
allow-all to block-all and prompt to create rules for outbound connects.
The Windows Firewall helper is at http://wfn.codeplex.com/. How it
works might give you some info on how to use events in Task Scheduler.

I also found more information on using event triggering in Task
Scheduler at an MS blog. See:

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dav...after-another/

Conditional event triggering is possible but it's not the easiest thing
to setup in Task Scheduler. I wrote scripts that made then dependent on
order and ok/error status but my company back then didn't want to
require expertise in others to maintain or modify the scripts (I was a
contract employee so I was going to be gone and they wanted to ensure
someone else could manage the scheduled jobs). I cannot remember the
name of the scheduler they paid for that had many dependencies that
could regulate the flow of scheduled jobs; however, flow management
could get so complicated with multiple dependencies that it almost
because another programming environment. My scripts would work as long
as batch files were supported in DOS and Windows (I had to stay away
from using commands that were Windows version specific).
  #9  
Old October 20th 17, 10:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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Default Outlook and shutdown question

On 10/20/2017 01:30 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

Originally, I asked all three of them how they wanted to schedule
their backups. Thye decided to do them manually at quitting time
with an automatic shutdown afterwards. Then proceeded to NEVER do
it.


What about defining an event in Task Scheduler that runs at quitting
time, or late Friday, or just before whenever the backups are scheduled
to run that uses the option to wait for the computer to be idle. If
they leave at 5 PM and the backup runs at 2 AM then the computer should
have already been idle for hours, probably even for someone that stays
late at the office. Else, use the "Start the task only if the computer
is idle for N minutes/hours". Although the drop-down list presented
for that option has pre-defined values, you can edit the selection field
for that drop-down control, like changing "10 minutes" to "40 minutes".
Schedule the kill event to run, say, 1 hour before the backup job, have
the event wait for the computer to go idle for, say, 10 minutes, and
have that event retry for up to 1 hour.

Task Scheduler doesn't do dependent events. That is, you cannot have an
event pend until one, or more, prior events have completed. Nor can you
have an event run or not depending on the status of a prior event.
There are other schedulers that will run events in a specific order
where you can define dependency (other event must end before starting
another, prior event must return zero status code so it ran okay, etc).
Sorry, don't remember what was that other scheduler. A company I worked
at a long time ago use it because they needed scheduled tasks to be
dependent based on several conditions. Only remembered that it cost
around $30-$40. I wrote scripts to make the events dependent in Task
Scheduler but they didn't want to rely on someone after me having to
understand batch scripts in case a modification was needed. There's
VisualCron which is pricey ($99) or very pricey (up to $9999); however,
the customers choice will be to pay you for however many hours it takes
you to roll your own interdependent scripts or pay you for less hours
and pay for a Task Scheduler alternative that can do dependencies.

Since you're using scripts, you could use system environment variables
to relay that information across scheduled events. One variable would
show the status of an event as "running" but at its very end blank,
null, or delete that environment variable. Another variable could relay
the status of the job. If the programs or scripts ran inside a script
return a status code, you could save it in a variable. Then in an event
that should run later (is dependent), you could have its script check if
the other event is still running or if it failed. While Task Scheduler
would start the 2nd event, that script would pause waiting until the
system environment variable no longer had a value of "running" or was no
longer defined. Task Scheduler would show the 2nd event as running but
the script is waiting for the 1st event to end. The 2nd event's script
could also get status from the 1st event in another variable. If the
1st event failed, probably no point in running the 2nd event, or attempt
some recovery script in the 2nd script for the failure in the 1st event.

Task Scheduler also can have an event triggered by an event. Edit an
event and go to the Triggers tab. Look at the "Begin the task"
drop-down listbox. One is to trigger by event. What that does is
monitor the event logs (what you see using Event Viewer) to detect when
a specific event occurs. The problem is, one, does a scheduled task
generate (log) an event that will show up in the event logs and, two,
will you know what is that event (event or log category, the source that
generates that event, and the event's ID).

For example, there is a 3rd party enhancement to the Windows Firewall
that adds permissions on outbound connections. The Windows Firefox, by
default, only regulates [unsolicited] inbound connections. A user found
out how to change the default of allow everything out to blocking
everything out and triggering on an event on the block to display a
prompt asking if you wanted to continue blocking, always block, or add a
rule to allow the outbound connection from whatever source. The trick
was to reconfigure Windows Firewall to block all outbound connections
(instead of allowing all), trigger on the blocked event (monitor the
event logs), and display a prompt letting the user decide what to do.
Instead of replacing the Windows Firewall, the author only needed to
write and keep loaded a small utility that monitored for the blocked
events and show a prompt. The result is very similar to 3rd party
firewalls that will prompt on an outbound connect request. While
vendors are removing support for older versions of Windows XP, this
solution continues using the Windows Firewall already there but changes
allow-all to block-all and prompt to create rules for outbound connects.
The Windows Firewall helper is at http://wfn.codeplex.com/. How it
works might give you some info on how to use events in Task Scheduler.

I also found more information on using event triggering in Task
Scheduler at an MS blog. See:

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dav...after-another/

Conditional event triggering is possible but it's not the easiest thing
to setup in Task Scheduler. I wrote scripts that made then dependent on
order and ok/error status but my company back then didn't want to
require expertise in others to maintain or modify the scripts (I was a
contract employee so I was going to be gone and they wanted to ensure
someone else could manage the scheduled jobs). I cannot remember the
name of the scheduler they paid for that had many dependencies that
could regulate the flow of scheduled jobs; however, flow management
could get so complicated with multiple dependencies that it almost
because another programming environment. My scripts would work as long
as batch files were supported in DOS and Windows (I had to stay away
from using commands that were Windows version specific).


They leave at all hours and work at all hours. 09:00 works perfectly
as it is the most likely that they will be in the office. They
arrive at 07:30 to 08:30, check their eMail, make their calls
and swear at their employees and vendors, then they go out in
the field and swear some more. (It is had not to laugh -- I
love working for these guys!). And they can not tell the
backup is happening.

These guys swear so much it takes three times as long to chew
their way through a sentence and get their information out.
It is hysterical.

"[expletive deleted] take the [expletive deleted] and [expletive
deleted] put the [expletive deleted] on the [expletive deleted]
[expletive deleted] over [expletive deleted] on the [expletive deleted]
[expletive deleted]"

You get the picture. As I said, it is hard to keep from laughing.
And they are loyal and honest as well as hysterical.

One time I was doing some warrantee work off the clock and when the
boss found out about it he said "[expletive deleted] I [expletive
deleted] am not [expletive deleted] going [expletive deleted] to
[expletive deleted] have any [expletive deleted] employee of mine
[expletive deleted] [expletive deleted] working for [expletive deleted]
free!". Now that was a first! And I did not dare not charge him!
  #10  
Old October 21st 17, 04:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2017-10-20 14:26, T wrote:

On 10/19/2017 07:57 PM, B00ze wrote:
On 2017-10-19 13:30, T wrote:

On 10/18/2017 06:05 PM, B00ze wrote:


So Vanguard was right about you using Cobian, lol, you must've written
about this before. And you are correct then about some problem with
VSS. Is Cobian giving you a nice 0x8??????? error number for VSS that
we can look at?


Yes. I have asked for help with various Cobian issues before.
It is abandonware, but I have not been able to find anything better.

The error is

ERR 2017-09-25 09:30 Couldn't contact the Volume Shadow Copy requester.
Please check that the service is installed and running

And it is not Cobian's fault. VSS really is jammed. Restarting
VSS cures the problem.


Yeah, that's no good. And there's nothing in Event Viewer? I'm just
curious as to what crashes VSS ;-)

I suppose I could add a script to kill and restart VSS.
I have one I wrote for another service I could modify.
First, it asks "nicely" for the service to shut down,
then it hits it with a hammer if it refuses to exit
when asked with "pretty please".


That's one solution, but rebooting is also one, which is what you are
doing now...

Firefox could be related, but I'd think /everything/ would get draggy
- why would Firefox become slow and nothing else...


Oh, not a good comparison. He only uses Outlook and Firefox.
Occasionally Excel, so there is really nothing else to check.
The feedback I get from him when he gets unstable is "This
computer is running like s***! What did you do to it?"
(He is teasing on the what did I do to it -- he is fun to
work for.)


Hahaha, I laughed at that ;-)

With the Samsung (I am an authorized reseller of Samsung SSDs),
shutting down and starting up is really quick too.


Best SSDs out there as far as I'm concerned.


Don't get me started. Stay the hell away from Intel's SSD!


They don't appeal to me for some reason. The only thing I like from
Intel are CPUs. But then we all got screwed who bought one recently,
because AMD came out with lots of cores and that forced Intel to move
its ass for once and release 6-Core i7's. Screw you if you bought your
CPU 3 months ago...

Instead of having me reboot it at 3AM, he had me power it off at
10PM. Different strokes for different folks.


Yeah, that works, so long as Cobian can wake it up for the backup...


Originally, I asked all three of them how they wanted to schedule
their backups. Thye decided to do them manually at quitting time
with an automatic shutdown afterwards. Then proceeded to NEVER
do it.


Of course.

So I set Cobian to go off at 09:00. They can't even tell.
Problem solved.


Lol.

On another note: I have been replacing Firefox 56.0.1 with
57.0b9 (v57 beta 9) and it fixed a lot of the performance drag
and video player issues folk have been having it 56.0.1


Firefox 52-56 are a bit funky because they have lots of mixed legacy/new
code in them; there are some strange bugs because of that. FF57+ will
still have bugs because it is so new, but it will get much better as
time goes by. Too bad Web Extensions cannot do some of the things the
old XUL AddOns could, but for customers who don't do AddOns, FF57+ will
be very good.

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Old October 21st 17, 04:49 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Outlook and shutdown question

On 10/20/2017 08:13 PM, B00ze wrote:
On 2017-10-20 14:26, T wrote:


And it is not Cobian's fault. VSS really is jammed. Restarting
VSS cures the problem.


Yeah, that's no good. And there's nothing in Event Viewer? I'm just
curious as to what crashes VSS ;-)


No idea. Services says it is running. Maybe it is the position
of the oon or a dog barked. This is Windows after all!

:-)


With the Samsung (I am an authorized reseller of Samsung SSDs),
shutting down and starting up is really quick too.

Best SSDs out there as far as I'm concerned.


Don't get me started. Stay the hell away from Intel's SSD!


They don't appeal to me for some reason. The only thing I like from
Intel are CPUs. But then we all got screwed who bought one recently,
because AMD came out with lots of cores and that forced Intel to move
its ass for once and release 6-Core i7's. Screw you if you bought your
CPU 3 months ago...


The only thing I buy from Intel these days is their CPU's
and occasionally, their network cards.

I have never noticed Windows being able to uer more than 4 cores
effectively, so I tell folks to just get an i5 and save their money.

Linux, on the other hand is noticeably faster with my cores and
more threads, but Linux is a whole 'nother dimension of technology.
But, most speed, Linux or Windows, comes from a fast hard drive,
like an SSD.


On another note: I have been replacing Firefox 56.0.1 with
57.0b9 (v57 beta 9) and it fixed a lot of the performance drag
and video player issues folk have been having it 56.0.1


Firefox 52-56 are a bit funky because they have lots of mixed legacy/new
code in them; there are some strange bugs because of that. FF57+ will
still have bugs because it is so new, but it will get much better as
time goes by. Too bad Web Extensions cannot do some of the things the
old XUL AddOns could, but for customers who don't do AddOns, FF57+ will
be very good.


I noticed that 59b9 put he zip back into Firefox. On my machine,
I am stuck with 52.3.0 ESR. Bummer.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1392014


I usually only install an ad blocker customer's machines.
uBlock Orgin is being a pain in the ass lately:
https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/issues/2982


I got about eight extensions on mine: cliget, ghostery, tabs
on bottom, you tube downloader, tile tabs, https everywhere,
uBlock orgin.

Tile tabs takes some getting use to, but is really powerful when
comparing specs on two different pages.

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Old October 24th 17, 06:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
B00ze
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Default Outlook and shutdown question

On 2017-10-20 23:49, T wrote:

Firefox 52-56 are a bit funky because they have lots of mixed
legacy/new code in them; there are some strange bugs because of that.
FF57+ will still have bugs because it is so new, but it will get much
better as time goes by. Too bad Web Extensions cannot do some of the
things the old XUL AddOns could, but for customers who don't do
AddOns, FF57+ will be very good.


I noticed that 59b9 put he zip back into Firefox.
On my machine, I am stuck with 52.3.0 ESR. Bummer.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1392014


You use Scientific Linux? Interesting. I am also stuck on ESR52, but
that's because 75% of my ~80 AddOns (20 disabled ones) have not yet been
ported to Web Extensions, some because Web Extensions are missing the
required APIs.

I usually only install an ad blocker customer's machines.
uBlock Orgin is being a pain in the ass lately:
https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/issues/2982


Lol, GorHill says this is due to what I was saying, some strange bugs
when you use Web Extensions and classic XUL AddOns together. But if all
you install is uB0, according to that bug, you should be fine.

I got about eight extensions on mine: cliget, ghostery, tabs
on bottom, you tube downloader, tile tabs, https everywhere,
uBlock orgin.


I have ~60 enabled, and I can tell you, when a website doesn't work,
it's a chore finding who is the culprit lol.

Tile tabs takes some getting use to, but is really powerful when
comparing specs on two different pages.


There's a Web Extension version of Tile Tabs. I don't really need this
myself tho, I don't compare specs often enough...

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