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No sense in reviving old computers
I was given a 2ghz AMD machine with 2 gigs of RAM and a bad HD with XP.
In theory that should have been ok for Win7 I replaced the drive and installed Win7 The machine must have been 15 years old and though Win7 would install, the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to lack of H/W support. The machine has now been sent to the recycler |
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No sense in reviving old computers
"philo" schreef in bericht
news I was given a 2ghz AMD machine with 2 gigs of RAM and a bad HD with XP. In theory that should have been ok for Win7 I replaced the drive and installed Win7 The machine must have been 15 years old and though Win7 would install, the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to lack of H/W support. The machine has now been sent to the recycler So it had an older processor than Pentium 4? -- |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:53:38 +0100, Linea Recta wrote:
"philo" schreef in bericht news I was given a 2ghz AMD machine with 2 gigs of RAM and a bad HD with XP. In theory that should have been ok for Win7 I replaced the drive and installed Win7 The machine must have been 15 years old and though Win7 would install, the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to lack of H/W support. The machine has now been sent to the recycler So it had an older processor than Pentium 4? Intel started SSE2 with the P4 in 2001 but AMD did not support it until the release of the Opteron and Athlon 64 chips in 2003. -- Wildman GNU/Linux user #557453 The cow died so I don't need your bull! |
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philo wrote:
the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to lack of H/W support. I have a non-SSE2 running Linux Ffx 51.0.1 $ inxi -C CPU: Single core AMD Geode NX (-UP-) cache: 256 KB flags: (sse) clocked at 1397.667 MHz all cpu flags: $ inxi -Cf CPU: Single core AMD Geode NX (-UP-) cache: 256 KB clocked at 1397.667 MHz CPU Flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow -- Mike Easter |
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philo wrote:
I was given a 2ghz AMD machine with 2 gigs of RAM and a bad HD with XP. In theory that should have been ok for Win7 I replaced the drive and installed Win7 The machine must have been 15 years old and though Win7 would install, the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to lack of H/W support. The machine has now been sent to the recycler https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?i...150720&mode=68 "The lack of SSE2 capable CPUs limits the use of many older x86 based computers - most browsers now require this feature. The only non-SSE2, lightweight FF alternative I found that rendered modern CSS/HTML decently was Dooble." "Firefox can be compiled sans SSE2. Arch Linux i686 compiles without SSE2 and Firefox works fine. Void Linux requires SSE2 in its 32-bit branch. Alpine Linux offers i386 sans SSE2, so it works on old machines. Debian and FreeBSD have some arches without SSE2. Gentoo of course you may tweak as you please via CFLAGS. AMD never shipped any 32-bit chip with SSE2. Any distro requiring SSE2 thereby voids all 32-bit AMD CPUs. Distros should use Yeppp! if you ask me and stop fussing over compile-time flags, let Yeppp! handle things." There may be some options. But probably not options that are "end-user friendly". As a power user, you could probably deal with the details, but someone who just wants to use the computer without fussing, they're not going to be happy with your "bodged solution" :-) Paul |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:34:26 -0600
philo wrote: The machine has now been sent to the recycler Lack of skill on my part |
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On 02/15/2017 02:53 PM, Linea Recta wrote:
"philo" schreef in bericht news I was given a 2ghz AMD machine with 2 gigs of RAM and a bad HD with XP. In theory that should have been ok for Win7 I replaced the drive and installed Win7 The machine must have been 15 years old and though Win7 would install, the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to lack of H/W support. The machine has now been sent to the recycler So it had an older processor than Pentium 4? It was an AMD Semperon . I happened to have an Athlon as well but neither were satisfactory. AFAIK any P-4 should still be OK |
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On 02/15/2017 03:12 PM, Wildman wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:53:38 +0100, Linea Recta wrote: "philo" schreef in bericht news I was given a 2ghz AMD machine with 2 gigs of RAM and a bad HD with XP. In theory that should have been ok for Win7 I replaced the drive and installed Win7 The machine must have been 15 years old and though Win7 would install, the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to lack of H/W support. The machine has now been sent to the recycler So it had an older processor than Pentium 4? Intel started SSE2 with the P4 in 2001 but AMD did not support it until the release of the Opteron and Athlon 64 chips in 2003. Thanks for the info. It did not break my heart to recycle a 16 year old comptuer |
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On 02/15/2017 09:07 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
philo wrote: the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to lack of H/W support. I have a non-SSE2 running Linux Ffx 51.0.1 $ inxi -C CPU: Single core AMD Geode NX (-UP-) cache: 256 KB flags: (sse) clocked at 1397.667 MHz all cpu flags: $ inxi -Cf CPU: Single core AMD Geode NX (-UP-) cache: 256 KB clocked at 1397.667 MHz CPU Flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow I am sure there are versions of Linux that would run fine but I really need to keep the clutter in my workshop down |
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On 02/15/2017 10:30 PM, Paul wrote:
philo wrote: I was given a 2ghz AMD machine with 2 gigs of RAM and a bad HD with XP. In theory that should have been ok for Win7 I replaced the drive and installed Win7 The machine must have been 15 years old and though Win7 would install, the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to lack of H/W support. The machine has now been sent to the recycler https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?i...150720&mode=68 "The lack of SSE2 capable CPUs limits the use of many older x86 based computers - most browsers now require this feature. The only non-SSE2, lightweight FF alternative I found that rendered modern CSS/HTML decently was Dooble." "Firefox can be compiled sans SSE2. Arch Linux i686 compiles without SSE2 and Firefox works fine. Void Linux requires SSE2 in its 32-bit branch. Alpine Linux offers i386 sans SSE2, so it works on old machines. Debian and FreeBSD have some arches without SSE2. Gentoo of course you may tweak as you please via CFLAGS. AMD never shipped any 32-bit chip with SSE2. Any distro requiring SSE2 thereby voids all 32-bit AMD CPUs. Distros should use Yeppp! if you ask me and stop fussing over compile-time flags, let Yeppp! handle things." There may be some options. But probably not options that are "end-user friendly". As a power user, you could probably deal with the details, but someone who just wants to use the computer without fussing, they're not going to be happy with your "bodged solution" :-) Paul Agreed. The machine was painfully slow...it;s now gone I still have another just like it...it has Vista on in and was last used maybe five years ago |
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philo wrote:
Mike Easter wrote: philo wrote: the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to lack of H/W support. I have a non-SSE2 running Linux Ffx 51.0.1 I am sure there are versions of Linux that would run fine but I really need to keep the clutter in my workshop down I completely understand. I definitely need to retire/recycle that machine; there is no place I know who would be re-using it. I'm the only person I know who would bother :-) If I would jettison that box, there's a much newer faster one right over yonder that I could be using which is currently out of reach (unless I get out of my chair) :-/ -- Mike Easter |
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pjp wrote:
Bonus in keeping one of the old boxes alive is they still use the old IDE drives and I've got a nice little stack of them here still large enough to be usable. They work fine as shared drives for extra backups etc. Note - it's getting harder to find external IDE enclosures for 3.5" drives most now only 2.5" or SATA instead. Speaking of over-the-hill IDE hardware, not only do I have a stack of IDEs from 5, 40, and 80G, I also have removable IDE trays and their docks. Collections of gangs of USB sticks of various sizes take up a lot less room :-) -- Mike Easter |
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 21:40:59 -0400, pjp
wrote: If it'll run XP I'd likely use it for one thing only. I'm in the habit of connecting a pc to both a tv and stereo. If the unit is fast enough to play a XVID video of 720x480 with 192Kbs audio without stuttering while being fed over a network connection I'd find it still usable. Wow, xvid. I used that from about 1998 to 2001. Lots of water has passed under the bridge since then. Thanks for the flashback. -- Char Jackson |
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On 16/02/2017 3:34 AM, philo wrote:
The machine must have been 15 years old and though Win7 would install, the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to lack of H/W support. What browser? IE? Or Firefox? -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
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