DSL connection

In message , KenK
writes:
KenK wrote in
:

I checked the Control Panel on the computer that has a working DSL -
haven't done that for many years. Forgot it was there, Under Internet
Connects is included:

Internet Gateway -

One entry:

Internet Connection

Shows it connected and speed 72.0 MHZ Must be the DSL.

On the computer where DSL is not working this internet connection is
not listed. Evidently it's not seeing the DSL. The cable I have is a
blue one with blue connectors on both ends. I guess I'll have to try
it on the machine where the DSL is working and see if it works. Not
enough time today; likely tomorrow if I have time and remember before
I start up the computer.

Both machines are connected to one of the four yellow 'ethernet'
sockets on the CenturyLink C1100Z modem.

When you say "are connected", presumably you mean you have a lead from
the ethernet socket on the MoDem, to what appears to be an ethernet
socket on the computer. I'd say find out why that isn't working first,
rather than ...



Does anyone know of someone who makes an adaptor to add ethernet to a
computer that doesn't have it. Like a little box with a USB connector to
the computer and an ethernet socket for the DSL line with a driver CD for
XP? I tried Google but evidently didn't have the right search phrases I
used.

.... abandoning it and trying to go via USB.

However, if you are determined to go that way, the phrase "USB to
ethernet" brought me this page (in ebay.com - I didn't try Google):
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro... net&_sacat=0
which shows many options!

Paul's solution gives the Rolls-Royce version - USB3, you know what the
chip is, $20. Given you're using an old PC, I presume it doesn't have
USB3; the first in that page is $2.40, and claims to work with XP (and
does come with a mini-CD of drivers). Probably no chance of finding what
the chip is, or getting any support. But at that price ...

Your local electronics store (possibly computer store too) should have
USB to ethernet adaptors - probably at more like $20. (My blind friend
wanted one recently - the local Maplin had a choice, a USB2 one or a
USB3; IIRR, the prices were 15 and 20 pounds, or it might have been 20
and 25. [He bought the USB3 one, and has since told me it worked - with
his Braille "computer", fortunately not requiring any driver as it's
Android-based.])

TIA


YW
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Life, liberty and the happiness of pursuit!

Paul wrote in news
KenK wrote:
KenK wrote in
:

I checked the Control Panel on the computer that has a working DSL -
haven't done that for many years. Forgot it was there, Under
Internet Connects is included:

Internet Gateway -

One entry:

Internet Connection

Shows it connected and speed 72.0 MHZ Must be the DSL.

On the computer where DSL is not working this internet connection is
not listed. Evidently it's not seeing the DSL. The cable I have is a
blue one with blue connectors on both ends. I guess I'll have to try
it on the machine where the DSL is working and see if it works. Not
enough time today; likely tomorrow if I have time and remember
before I start up the computer.

Both machines are connected to one of the four yellow 'ethernet'
sockets on the CenturyLink C1100Z modem.




Does anyone know of someone who makes an adaptor to add ethernet to a
computer that doesn't have it. Like a little box with a USB connector
to the computer and an ethernet socket for the DSL line with a driver
CD for XP? I tried Google but evidently didn't have the right search
phrases I used.

TIA



One of the reasons I like Startech, is they identify the chip used...

*******

StarTech USB 3.0 to Gigabit Ethernet $20

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16833114074

https://www.startech.com/Networking-...rs/USB-3-to-Gi
gabit-Ethernet-NIC-Network-Adapter~USB31000S

ASIX - AX88179

"...USB2 port we still saw 326.2Mbit/s"

The driver notes only admit to Win8 and Win10.

https://sgcdn.startech.com/005329/me.../Windows_Relea
se_Notes.txt

The manual. Good lads. WinXP.

https://sgcdn.startech.com/005329/me...anual/USB31000
Sx.pdf

System Requirements

USB enabled computer system with available USB 3.0 port

Windows 8 (32/64bit), 7 (32/64), Vista(32/64), XP(32/64)
Windows Server 2008 R2, 2003(32/64)
Mac OS 10.6 - 10.8
Linux Kernel 2.6.25 - 3.5.0

Notice they didn't bother to update the manual to add Win10.

Now, the question would be, would they be stupid enough
to press new driver CDs with only Win8/10 and
toss the ones with xp/V/7/8 ? Dunno.

In any case, with the ASIX, there's a good chance another
company also has those drivers.

And you should know how this stuff goes.
Paul gets ripped off all the time on this stuff :-)
Dumb purchases, followed by dumber purchases. Like
the USB3 to SATA cable I bought two days ago. It
looks like I have to buy a "rocket ship cable"
to get "Ugo" performance. Why aren't there more
honest reviews out there ?

Best guess,
Paul


At least the adapters exist. I think one that worked right with XP would
solve my DSL internet log-on problem. I'll try your links. Thanks very
much! Perhaps one of my computer problems out of my hair. I wrote the ISP
checking on my correct user name, password and phone number to try to get
the Compaq to log on-line dial up too. It worked last time I used it a
few months ago. Trying to figure out which changed. I sure wish there was
a way to read the password used by the net dial-up utility to see what's
there. The user name and phone number seem to be correct but the ISP
won't accept something.




--
I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in
:

In message , KenK
writes:
KenK wrote in
:

I checked the Control Panel on the computer that has a working DSL -
haven't done that for many years. Forgot it was there, Under
Internet Connects is included:

Internet Gateway -

One entry:

Internet Connection

Shows it connected and speed 72.0 MHZ Must be the DSL.

On the computer where DSL is not working this internet connection is
not listed. Evidently it's not seeing the DSL. The cable I have is a
blue one with blue connectors on both ends. I guess I'll have to try
it on the machine where the DSL is working and see if it works. Not
enough time today; likely tomorrow if I have time and remember
before I start up the computer.

Both machines are connected to one of the four yellow 'ethernet'
sockets on the CenturyLink C1100Z modem.

When you say "are connected", presumably you mean you have a lead from
the ethernet socket on the MoDem, to what appears to be an ethernet
socket on the computer. I'd say find out why that isn't working first,
rather than ...


I need first to try the Compaq DSL line with my e-machine, which is using
DSL successfully. Same modem runs both.




Does anyone know of someone who makes an adaptor to add ethernet to a
computer that doesn't have it. Like a little box with a USB connector
to the computer and an ethernet socket for the DSL line with a driver
CD for XP? I tried Google but evidently didn't have the right search
phrases I used.

... abandoning it and trying to go via USB.

However, if you are determined to go that way, the phrase "USB to
ethernet" brought me this page (in ebay.com - I didn't try Google):
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...7.m570.l1313.T
R12.TRC2.A0.H0.XUSB+to+ethernet.TRS0&_nkw=USB+to+e thernet&_sacat=0
which shows many options!

Paul's solution gives the Rolls-Royce version - USB3, you know what
the chip is, $20. Given you're using an old PC, I presume it doesn't
have USB3; the first in that page is $2.40, and claims to work with XP
(and does come with a mini-CD of drivers). Probably no chance of
finding what the chip is, or getting any support. But at that price
...

Your local electronics store (possibly computer store too) should have
USB to ethernet adaptors - probably at more like $20. (My blind friend
wanted one recently - the local Maplin had a choice, a USB2 one or a
USB3; IIRR, the prices were 15 and 20 pounds, or it might have been 20
and 25. [He bought the USB3 one, and has since told me it worked -
with his Braille "computer", fortunately not requiring any driver as
it's Android-based.])

TIA


YW



--
I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in
:

In message , Paul
writes:
KenK wrote:
I have a backup system, an ancient Compaq 5000. I just connected DSL
to the Ethernet port. Firefox doesn't see its usual web sites it sees
with a dial-
up connection. Is there any way I can see if the computer is seeing
DSL? Maybe the Ethernet connection isn't used in this machne or isn't
working? Manual illustration of ethernet connector says 'if
equippped'.
Hints?
TIA

As well as all the other suggestions, you can at least check the
ethernet port (and cable) are working and active by connecting to your
router's web interface - most have one. Consult its instructions, but
common ones to try a

I'll try to get to that today. Knowing me, it'll be more complicated than
it sounds.


http://192.168.0.1 (also try ...0.0, ...1.0, and ...1.1)
http://10.0.0.2

You should see what looks like a web page, but (probably) with the
router manufacturer's name and logo at the top left. This is provided
as
a way to change settings inside the router. Don't (-:!

Also: you imply you're normally using a dial-up connection. So am I
right: you normally use the computer you are on now, with a dial-up
connection, but you are trying this old computer with (A)DSL?

No.

Or, you
normally use (A)DSL, but have only used this old computer with dialup
before (and that worked)?

Yes.

If the latter, and you're using the same
router/DSLMoDem you normally use, then it does seem likely that it is
the port or cable that's the problem, which the above effort should
show
one way or the other, provided you get the right address. (If you tell
us what make and model of router/DSL MoDem is on the other end of the
cable, someone here'll probably know for sure what the address is.)
[]
For a non-truck-roll ADSL install, they give you portable
filters. You put a filter on each analog phone, to limit
the signal fed to the phone, to 4KHz voice bandwidth.

The ADSL modem on the other hand, doesn't use a filter.
It goes straight to the phone outlet box.
[]
In the UK, the normal is you get what they call "microfilters", which
are little boxes with two sockets and a (short lead with a) plug;
'phones (and fax machines, dial-up MoDems, etc.) go in one socket, ADSL
goes in the other. I believe they contain low-pass and high-pass
filters. You either put one on each 'phone (or similar) in the house,
or
all the 'phones - if you have extension wiring - through one, with ADSL
through the other - the important thing being _not_ to have any
unfiltered 'phones on the same line as the ADSL MoDem.

I don't that I'm aware of.

(The ADSL MoDem
would _have_ to go via such a box, as our 'phones use a different
connector to the one that ADSL leads have [which I assume is a normal
US
'phone connector - bit like an ethernet one but narrower]).

The DSL modem has four ethernet outputs with the DSL signal and a phone
output which has the DSL filtered out. I split this and use one lead for
a dial-up connection to the backup Compaq computer. That line to dial-up
modem input and dial-up modem output to the Compaq. The other phone line
goes to a phone.



--
I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook.

KenK wrote:
Paul wrote in news
KenK wrote:
KenK wrote in
:

I checked the Control Panel on the computer that has a working DSL -
haven't done that for many years. Forgot it was there, Under
Internet Connects is included:

Internet Gateway -

One entry:

Internet Connection

Shows it connected and speed 72.0 MHZ Must be the DSL.

On the computer where DSL is not working this internet connection is
not listed. Evidently it's not seeing the DSL. The cable I have is a
blue one with blue connectors on both ends. I guess I'll have to try
it on the machine where the DSL is working and see if it works. Not
enough time today; likely tomorrow if I have time and remember
before I start up the computer.

Both machines are connected to one of the four yellow 'ethernet'
sockets on the CenturyLink C1100Z modem.



Does anyone know of someone who makes an adaptor to add ethernet to a
computer that doesn't have it. Like a little box with a USB connector
to the computer and an ethernet socket for the DSL line with a driver
CD for XP? I tried Google but evidently didn't have the right search
phrases I used.

TIA


One of the reasons I like Startech, is they identify the chip used...

*******

StarTech USB 3.0 to Gigabit Ethernet $20

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16833114074

https://www.startech.com/Networking-...rs/USB-3-to-Gi
gabit-Ethernet-NIC-Network-Adapter~USB31000S

ASIX - AX88179

"...USB2 port we still saw 326.2Mbit/s"

The driver notes only admit to Win8 and Win10.

https://sgcdn.startech.com/005329/me.../Windows_Relea
se_Notes.txt

The manual. Good lads. WinXP.

https://sgcdn.startech.com/005329/me...anual/USB31000
Sx.pdf

System Requirements

USB enabled computer system with available USB 3.0 port

Windows 8 (32/64bit), 7 (32/64), Vista(32/64), XP(32/64)
Windows Server 2008 R2, 2003(32/64)
Mac OS 10.6 - 10.8
Linux Kernel 2.6.25 - 3.5.0

Notice they didn't bother to update the manual to add Win10.

Now, the question would be, would they be stupid enough
to press new driver CDs with only Win8/10 and
toss the ones with xp/V/7/8 ? Dunno.

In any case, with the ASIX, there's a good chance another
company also has those drivers.

And you should know how this stuff goes.
Paul gets ripped off all the time on this stuff :-)
Dumb purchases, followed by dumber purchases. Like
the USB3 to SATA cable I bought two days ago. It
looks like I have to buy a "rocket ship cable"
to get "Ugo" performance. Why aren't there more
honest reviews out there ?

Best guess,
Paul


At least the adapters exist. I think one that worked right with XP would
solve my DSL internet log-on problem. I'll try your links. Thanks very
much! Perhaps one of my computer problems out of my hair. I wrote the ISP
checking on my correct user name, password and phone number to try to get
the Compaq to log on-line dial up too. It worked last time I used it a
few months ago. Trying to figure out which changed. I sure wish there was
a way to read the password used by the net dial-up utility to see what's
there. The user name and phone number seem to be correct but the ISP
won't accept something.

I tried a quick search, to see if I could get your dialup password.

There is a utility for that :-) I haven't tested this.

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/dialupass.html

The thing is, my dialup credentials are on my E: drive, and
that utility will be looking on C: . And I don't think I've had
a chance to try dialup on the current OS.

*******

At one time, I used to debug dialup, using a log file that captured
*everything* until PPP switched to binary and the session began.
That's how I used to work out whether header compression had
to be enabled and so on.

But if the Nirsoft can burrow into the appropriate file
or registry entry, maybe this won't be so hard.

*******

When handling your phone line, as long as you remember
the phone uses the filtered signal and the ADSL modem
uses the raw signal, you'll be fine. The status LEDs
on the modem, will indicate sync, which would mean the
modem "sees" the high frequency signal used.

For two ADSL modems, I was using one of the four filters
in the box for my POTS phone. For the last "upgrade", there
was a truck roll, and the installer put a whole-house
filter in the basement. One spigot is just for
ADSL modem (unfiltered signal), the other is for the
phone network (you use that connector for all the
other POTS phones in the house.
).
I no longer have POTS here, there's no dial tone on the
phone hole, and the phone hole on the filter is
not used.

The filter is only about 1.5" x 3" and is a scrap of plastic
that bolts to the wall. Not nearly as rugged as old fashioned
telephone equipment. And the old phone stuff had a safety
ground on it. I'm not sure this thing does :-/ I only think
about this stuff when it's stormy outside.

Paul

In message , Paul
writes:
[]
When handling your phone line, as long as you remember
the phone uses the filtered signal and the ADSL modem
uses the raw signal, you'll be fine. The status LEDs
on the modem, will indicate sync, which would mean the
modem "sees" the high frequency signal used.
[]
I think in UK, the 'phone(s) use)s( the low-pass filtered signal and the
ADSL uses the high-pass filtered signal - neither uses the "raw" line.
Though I could be wrong about that.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bugger," said Pooh, feeling very annoyed.

In message , "J. P. Gilliver
(John)" writes
In message , Paul
writes:
[]
When handling your phone line, as long as you remember
the phone uses the filtered signal and the ADSL modem
uses the raw signal, you'll be fine. The status LEDs
on the modem, will indicate sync, which would mean the
modem "sees" the high frequency signal used.
[]
I think in UK, the 'phone(s) use)s( the low-pass filtered signal and
the ADSL uses the high-pass filtered signal - neither uses the "raw"
line. Though I could be wrong about that.

The phone-ADSL splitter is only half a diplexer. While the phone side IS
lowpass filtered-off, the ADSL side gets the lot - ie it is directly
across the incoming line.
--
Ian

In message , Ian Jackson
writes:
[]
I think in UK, the 'phone(s) use)s( the low-pass filtered signal and
the ADSL uses the high-pass filtered signal - neither uses the "raw"
line. Though I could be wrong about that.

The phone-ADSL splitter is only half a diplexer. While the phone side
IS lowpass filtered-off, the ADSL side gets the lot - ie it is directly
across the incoming line.

OK, that's plausible - with the ADSL just going through the box as a
connector-converter.

But the ADSL signal does have to be isolated from any telephone
_equipment_ - in other words, the low-pass on the 'phone side isn't just
for the benefit of the 'phone equipment. It _can_ work without, but is
flakier; I've even known setups where even with the filter in, using the
'phone can at least cause the speed to drop, or in extremis cause the
data connection to fail. (Presumably inferior filters.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If you're on [Radio] 5Live you get people writing in saying that you've got
your football facts wrong, but on Radio 4 they pull you up on your Portuguese
pronunciation. Nick Robinson, RT 2016/6/25-7/1

In message , "J. P. Gilliver
(John)" writes
In message , Ian Jackson
writes:
[]
I think in UK, the 'phone(s) use)s( the low-pass filtered signal and
the ADSL uses the high-pass filtered signal - neither uses the "raw"
line. Though I could be wrong about that.

The phone-ADSL splitter is only half a diplexer. While the phone side
IS lowpass filtered-off, the ADSL side gets the lot - ie it is
directly across the incoming line.

OK, that's plausible - with the ADSL just going through the box as a
connector-converter.

But the ADSL signal does have to be isolated from any telephone
_equipment_ - in other words, the low-pass on the 'phone side isn't
just for the benefit of the 'phone equipment. It _can_ work without,
but is flakier; I've even known setups where even with the filter in,
using the 'phone can at least cause the speed to drop, or in extremis
cause the data connection to fail. (Presumably inferior filters.)

The ADSL frequency spectrum is as follows:
Phone: 300 to 4000Hz
Upstream: 25 to 130kHz
Downstream: 134kHz to 1.1MHz (ADSL2+ 2.2MHz)
The VDSL up and down are interleaved, and extend up to 18MHz
But for all standards, the important thing is that the phone connection
should not load the line above 25kHz. I believe that some modern phones
don't do this anyway, so no filter is necessary.

--
Ian

Paul wrote in news
KenK wrote:
Paul wrote in
news
KenK wrote:
KenK wrote in
:

I checked the Control Panel on the computer that has a working DSL
- haven't done that for many years. Forgot it was there, Under
Internet Connects is included:

Internet Gateway -

One entry:

Internet Connection

Shows it connected and speed 72.0 MHZ Must be the DSL.

On the computer where DSL is not working this internet connection
is not listed. Evidently it's not seeing the DSL. The cable I have
is a blue one with blue connectors on both ends. I guess I'll have
to try it on the machine where the DSL is working and see if it
works. Not enough time today; likely tomorrow if I have time and
remember before I start up the computer.

Both machines are connected to one of the four yellow 'ethernet'
sockets on the CenturyLink C1100Z modem.



Does anyone know of someone who makes an adaptor to add ethernet to
a computer that doesn't have it. Like a little box with a USB
connector to the computer and an ethernet socket for the DSL line
with a driver CD for XP? I tried Google but evidently didn't have
the right search phrases I used.

TIA


One of the reasons I like Startech, is they identify the chip
used...

*******

StarTech USB 3.0 to Gigabit Ethernet $20

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16833114074

https://www.startech.com/Networking-...ters/USB-3-to-
Gi gabit-Ethernet-NIC-Network-Adapter~USB31000S

ASIX - AX88179

"...USB2 port we still saw 326.2Mbit/s"

The driver notes only admit to Win8 and Win10.

https://sgcdn.startech.com/005329/me...79/Windows_Rel
ea se_Notes.txt

The manual. Good lads. WinXP.

https://sgcdn.startech.com/005329/me..._Manual/USB310
00 Sx.pdf

System Requirements

USB enabled computer system with available USB 3.0 port

Windows 8 (32/64bit), 7 (32/64), Vista(32/64), XP(32/64)
Windows Server 2008 R2, 2003(32/64)
Mac OS 10.6 - 10.8
Linux Kernel 2.6.25 - 3.5.0

Notice they didn't bother to update the manual to add Win10.

Now, the question would be, would they be stupid enough
to press new driver CDs with only Win8/10 and
toss the ones with xp/V/7/8 ? Dunno.

In any case, with the ASIX, there's a good chance another
company also has those drivers.

And you should know how this stuff goes.
Paul gets ripped off all the time on this stuff :-)
Dumb purchases, followed by dumber purchases. Like
the USB3 to SATA cable I bought two days ago. It
looks like I have to buy a "rocket ship cable"
to get "Ugo" performance. Why aren't there more
honest reviews out there ?

Best guess,
Paul


At least the adapters exist. I think one that worked right with XP
would solve my DSL internet log-on problem. I'll try your links.
Thanks very much! Perhaps one of my computer problems out of my hair.
I wrote the ISP checking on my correct user name, password and phone
number to try to get the Compaq to log on-line dial up too. It worked
last time I used it a few months ago. Trying to figure out which
changed. I sure wish there was a way to read the password used by the
net dial-up utility to see what's there. The user name and phone
number seem to be correct but the ISP won't accept something.

I tried a quick search, to see if I could get your dialup password.

There is a utility for that :-) I haven't tested this.

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/dialupass.html

The thing is, my dialup credentials are on my E: drive, and
that utility will be looking on C: . And I don't think I've had
a chance to try dialup on the current OS.

I think the dialup credentials on the Compac are on C so it should work.
I'm currently too overloaded to try it right now. Thanks much! I didn't
think such a utility existed. Is nothing sacred? s


*******

At one time, I used to debug dialup, using a log file that captured
*everything* until PPP switched to binary and the session began.
That's how I used to work out whether header compression had
to be enabled and so on.

But if the Nirsoft can burrow into the appropriate file
or registry entry, maybe this won't be so hard.

*******

When handling your phone line, as long as you remember
the phone uses the filtered signal and the ADSL modem
uses the raw signal, you'll be fine. The status LEDs
on the modem, will indicate sync, which would mean the
modem "sees" the high frequency signal used.

I use the Phone output from my DSL modem for the phone line connection to
the Compaq modem. I use it for a phone too. It's supposed to have DSL
filtered out.


For two ADSL modems, I was using one of the four filters
in the box for my POTS phone. For the last "upgrade", there
was a truck roll, and the installer put a whole-house
filter in the basement. One spigot is just for
ADSL modem (unfiltered signal), the other is for the
phone network (you use that connector for all the
other POTS phones in the house.
).
I no longer have POTS here, there's no dial tone on the
phone hole, and the phone hole on the filter is
not used.

The filter is only about 1.5" x 3" and is a scrap of plastic
that bolts to the wall. Not nearly as rugged as old fashioned
telephone equipment. And the old phone stuff had a safety
ground on it. I'm not sure this thing does :-/ I only think
about this stuff when it's stormy outside.

Paul




--
I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook.