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I am looking to buy 2 x 2GB of ddr2 memory.
ccl computers are selling this - CCL Choice 4GB (2x 2GB) 800MHz DDR2 RAM - which at £18.91 is half the price of the rest. Is this memory any good? What is going on here? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 26/09/2017 17:16, invalid wrote:
Is this memory any good? what do you mean by "any good"? Please define what is "good" for you. What is going on here? They are running a business. They are selling you stuff which you can buy or not buy. Is this OK with you? This is not an invalid reply. -- With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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invalid wrote:
I am looking to buy 2 x 2GB of ddr2 memory. ccl computers are selling this - CCL Choice 4GB (2x 2GB) 800MHz DDR2 RAM - which at £18.91 is half the price of the rest. Is this memory any good? What is going on here? You mean like this ? https://www.cclonline.com/product/24...-Kit/BUN0117/# * Voltage: 2.048V * Latency Timing: CL6 * Module Name: PC2-6400 * 2 X 2GB Dual Channel * non-ECC Unbuffered Memory Isn't DDR2 nominal voltage 1.8V ? I forget :-) So they're selling you bog standard (slow) CAS6 latency RAM, and it needs 2.0V to run instead of the usual 1.8V ? I think I can do better than that. Sometimes, RAM is half price, when it is high density, single rank, using (16) x4 (nibble wide) memories. Which works on AMD, but Intel spec sheets "do not approve". The trouble with the word "High Density" is marketing morons use it for more than one purpose, and then it isn't reserved for my disparagement purposes :-) Where I need to disparage something you should not buy. Because the CCLonline RAM, doesn't have a real datasheet, I could only identify nibble-wide memory, if someone dumps an SPD table, or someone in a forum discovers it isn't working right in their Intel chipset board. ******* When the RAM failed on the machine I am typing on, I bought this. Only I buy them in Canadian dollars. Corsair TWIN2X4096-6400C5 (2x2GB) £109.99 GBP http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/twin2x4096-6400c5 SPD Latency 5-5-5-18 CAS5 is low latency (doesn't really matter) SPD Speed 800MHz SPD Voltage 1.8V --- works in mobo without Vdimm adjustment Speed Rating PC2-6400 My machine has had maybe three or four loads of RAM in it (no, they didn't all fail), and you really can't tell the difference between CAS6 and CAS5. The CAS5 is slightly better (theoretically). If the above RAM really is needing 2.0V to meet the speed and timing, then make sure your motherboard Vdimm can be adjusted to that level. Look in the BIOS and see if there is a section for custom RAM adjustments. The 2.0V value isn't overly high, so won't fry anything. They're not "going crazy" with the voltage here. But you still need a VDimm adjustment in the BIOS to get there. Since these RAMs don't have an XMP profile, the BIOS cannot be automatically commanded to go to 2.0V. Newer RAM types, in some situations the settings are (almost) totally automated. And it bumps itself up to the right voltage. ******* Now, when I look at CCLOnline, look at the bargain they have. This is very similar to what I bought. VS4GBKIT800D2 (2x2GB) £39.98 inc VAT http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/vs4gbkit800d2 https://www.cclonline.com/product/36...y-Kit/RAM5954/ SPD Latency 5-5-5-18 CAS5 is low latency (doesn't really matter) SPD Speed 800MHz SPD Voltage 1.8V --- works in mobo without Vdimm adjustment Speed Rating PC2-6400 The only difference, is a slight difference in heat spreader. (Again, doesn't matter. In fact, a "fat" heat spreader, tends to choke off airflow and is counter-productive.) RAM like that should work in any board. It might even work with an NVidia Northbridge :-) Those are picky about RAM. And because that one is rated for 1.8V, that would even run in a server mobo that lacks VDimm adjustments. Or, in a Dell. Since Corsair is "branded RAM", Corsair will not sell you DIMMs with nibble-wide chips. But a guy on Ebay might do it. Let's see if we can spot an "honest" Ebay person trying to sell rubbish... This only took me 20 seconds to spot. Yes, these dudes are honest. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/High-Densi...AOSwqfNXmyD 2 "Buyer Note: it is hgih density, Only fit for AMD Motherboard. It can't support any intel motherboard, " High Density 4GB 2x2GB PC2-6400 DDR2 Approximately £8.71 OK, so that establishes that the CCLOnline, at £18.91 inc VAT, isn't as cheap as actual nibble-wide (ugh) DIMMs. So the CCLOnline product you've selected, might very well use x8 wide chips (the "right" width). So let's review the choices: Ebay - Approximately £8.71 Do not buy under any circumstances. High density/nibble wide, as stated. I'm trying to stamp this stuff out :-) AMD users try to sell this to Intel users, and all hell breaks loose. Not everyone admits they're nibble-wide and verboten. cclonline CAS6 2.0V £18.91 Likely x8 chips (based on price). Check your BIOS! VDimm adjustment!! VS4GBKIT800D2 CAS5 1.8V £39.98 Works anywhere. Value Select. TWIN2X4096-6400C5 CAS5 1.8V £109.99 Oops! I got taken! :-) Hahaha. But this is what they had at my primary computer store here. That's my excuse. HTH, Paul |
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"Paul" wrote in message news invalid wrote: I am looking to buy 2 x 2GB of ddr2 memory. ccl computers are selling this - CCL Choice 4GB (2x 2GB) 800MHz DDR2 RAM - which at £18.91 is half the price of the rest. Is this memory any good? What is going on here? You mean like this ? https://www.cclonline.com/product/24...-Kit/BUN0117/# * Voltage: 2.048V * Latency Timing: CL6 * Module Name: PC2-6400 * 2 X 2GB Dual Channel * non-ECC Unbuffered Memory Isn't DDR2 nominal voltage 1.8V ? I forget :-) So they're selling you bog standard (slow) CAS6 latency RAM, and it needs 2.0V to run instead of the usual 1.8V ? I think I can do better than that. Sometimes, RAM is half price, when it is high density, single rank, using (16) x4 (nibble wide) memories. Which works on AMD, but Intel spec sheets "do not approve". The trouble with the word "High Density" is marketing morons use it for more than one purpose, and then it isn't reserved for my disparagement purposes :-) Where I need to disparage something you should not buy. Because the CCLonline RAM, doesn't have a real datasheet, I could only identify nibble-wide memory, if someone dumps an SPD table, or someone in a forum discovers it isn't working right in their Intel chipset board. ******* When the RAM failed on the machine I am typing on, I bought this. Only I buy them in Canadian dollars. Corsair TWIN2X4096-6400C5 (2x2GB) £109.99 GBP http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/twin2x4096-6400c5 SPD Latency 5-5-5-18 CAS5 is low latency (doesn't really matter) SPD Speed 800MHz SPD Voltage 1.8V --- works in mobo without Vdimm adjustment Speed Rating PC2-6400 My machine has had maybe three or four loads of RAM in it (no, they didn't all fail), and you really can't tell the difference between CAS6 and CAS5. The CAS5 is slightly better (theoretically). If the above RAM really is needing 2.0V to meet the speed and timing, then make sure your motherboard Vdimm can be adjusted to that level. Look in the BIOS and see if there is a section for custom RAM adjustments. The 2.0V value isn't overly high, so won't fry anything. They're not "going crazy" with the voltage here. But you still need a VDimm adjustment in the BIOS to get there. Since these RAMs don't have an XMP profile, the BIOS cannot be automatically commanded to go to 2.0V. Newer RAM types, in some situations the settings are (almost) totally automated. And it bumps itself up to the right voltage. ******* Now, when I look at CCLOnline, look at the bargain they have. This is very similar to what I bought. VS4GBKIT800D2 (2x2GB) £39.98 inc VAT http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/vs4gbkit800d2 https://www.cclonline.com/product/36...y-Kit/RAM5954/ SPD Latency 5-5-5-18 CAS5 is low latency (doesn't really matter) SPD Speed 800MHz SPD Voltage 1.8V --- works in mobo without Vdimm adjustment Speed Rating PC2-6400 The only difference, is a slight difference in heat spreader. (Again, doesn't matter. In fact, a "fat" heat spreader, tends to choke off airflow and is counter-productive.) RAM like that should work in any board. It might even work with an NVidia Northbridge :-) Those are picky about RAM. And because that one is rated for 1.8V, that would even run in a server mobo that lacks VDimm adjustments. Or, in a Dell. Since Corsair is "branded RAM", Corsair will not sell you DIMMs with nibble-wide chips. But a guy on Ebay might do it. Let's see if we can spot an "honest" Ebay person trying to sell rubbish... This only took me 20 seconds to spot. Yes, these dudes are honest. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/High-Densi...AOSwqfNXmyD 2 "Buyer Note: it is hgih density, Only fit for AMD Motherboard. It can't support any intel motherboard, " High Density 4GB 2x2GB PC2-6400 DDR2 Approximately £8.71 OK, so that establishes that the CCLOnline, at £18.91 inc VAT, isn't as cheap as actual nibble-wide (ugh) DIMMs. So the CCLOnline product you've selected, might very well use x8 wide chips (the "right" width). So let's review the choices: Ebay - Approximately £8.71 Do not buy under any circumstances. High density/nibble wide, as stated. I'm trying to stamp this stuff out :-) AMD users try to sell this to Intel users, and all hell breaks loose. Not everyone admits they're nibble-wide and verboten. cclonline CAS6 2.0V £18.91 Likely x8 chips (based on price). Check your BIOS! VDimm adjustment!! VS4GBKIT800D2 CAS5 1.8V £39.98 Works anywhere. Value Select. TWIN2X4096-6400C5 CAS5 1.8V £109.99 Oops! I got taken! :-) Hahaha. But this is what they had at my primary computer store here. That's my excuse. HTH, Paul ********* Thanks Paul, that explains it very clearly so that even i can understand it. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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