OK/Cancel dialog, which way round?

I've never really noticed which way round these things are in Windows, but from a Google search, it appears Windows has it backwards and MacOS has it correct. OK on the right, this makes more sense. An affirmative action is moreso, yes is 1, no is 0, ok should be to the right. It's been annoying me recently in a game (Civ VI) when I automatically assume the button on the right is "yes" and click the wrong one.

On Thu, 30 May 2019 21:00:59 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I've never really noticed which way round these things are in Windows, but from a Google search, it appears Windows has it backwards and MacOS has it correct. OK on the right, this makes more sense. An affirmative action is moreso, yes is 1, no is 0, ok should be to the right. It's been annoying me recently in a game (Civ VI) when I automatically assume the button on the right is "yes" and click the wrong one.

Also in a car, the accelerator is on the right. More speed on the right, less on the left (brake).

Commander Kinsey wrote:
I've never really noticed which way round these things are in Windows,
but from a Google search, it appears Windows has it backwards and MacOS
has it correct.* OK on the right, this makes more sense.* An affirmative
action is moreso, yes is 1, no is 0, ok should be to the right.* It's
been annoying me recently in a game (Civ VI) when I automatically assume
the button on the right is "yes" and click the wrong one.

Except usually "yes" is TRUE which is 0 not 1 in programing...

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On Thu, 30 May 2019 21:32:12 +0100, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
I've never really noticed which way round these things are in Windows,
but from a Google search, it appears Windows has it backwards and MacOS
has it correct. OK on the right, this makes more sense. An affirmative
action is moreso, yes is 1, no is 0, ok should be to the right. It's
been annoying me recently in a game (Civ VI) when I automatically assume
the button on the right is "yes" and click the wrong one.

Except usually "yes" is TRUE which is 0 not 1 in programing...

Since when was TRUE 0? I'm more into electronics than programming, but surely the same rules apply. Yes means something exists, cancel means it doesn't. 0 means nothing, zero, not there, cancel, etc.

Anyway, we're talking about the user operating the dialog correctly. Most people know how a car works, you press the right pedal for more speed. Funny how none of those get it backwards.

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Since when was TRUE 0?

https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/true-invocation.html

But generally I agree, false is zero

When in Rome...

If you don't like it, go use a Mac, nobody cares.
Better yet, use a smartphone, it's more your size
(probably what the poster is using).

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I've never really noticed which way round these things are in Windows, but from a Google search, it appears Windows has it backwards and MacOS has it correct. OK on the right, this makes more sense. An affirmative action is moreso, yes is 1, no is 0, ok should be to the right. It's been annoying me recently in a game (Civ VI) when I automatically assume the button on the right is "yes" and click the wrong one.

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"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| Commander Kinsey wrote:
| I've never really noticed which way round these things are in Windows,
| but from a Google search, it appears Windows has it backwards and MacOS
| has it correct. OK on the right, this makes more sense. An
affirmative
| action is moreso, yes is 1, no is 0, ok should be to the right. It's
| been annoying me recently in a game (Civ VI) when I automatically
assume
| the button on the right is "yes" and click the wrong one.
|
| Except usually "yes" is TRUE which is 0 not 1 in programing...
|
| Since when was TRUE 0?

A great example of 1st world problems.

Yes, 0 is false. True is 1 or -1. (A 32-bit value with all bits
switched on is -1.)

As a left-hander I should sue you for the emotional damage
caused by your assumption of right being superior, but I'll let
it go this time. (I've always suspected right-handed people
may not be very sharp, anyway.

You may have noticed that Windows also has the control
box on the right while Mac puts it on the left. So are both
systems half-right in your right-hand-chauvinist view?

I have a trackball that lets me put the focus on the default,
so I rarely think about it, except the rare cases where I
accidentally click the wrong button *because* of that feature.

The first button (left) is focused by default. Many programmers
don't even know that, so nearly all message boxes will have
the focus on the left. In that sense, the positive answer
(yes or OK) is focused, which seems to accord with your
prejudice. But it can be done differently if the programmer
has a reason to do so. You can see it he
Paste the following into Notepad, save as msg.vbs, then run it.

MsgBox "first", 1
MsgBox "second", 257

On Thu, 30 May 2019 21:54:39 +0100, John Doe wrote:

When in Rome...

If you don't like it, go use a Mac, nobody cares.

They got that one thing right. They got everything else wrong.

Better yet, use a smartphone, it's more your size
(probably what the poster is using).

I would never use a smartphone. Way too small. Anything less than a 20" monitor is appalling to use.

Oh and stop top-posting.

On Thu, 30 May 2019 21:57:14 +0100, Mayayana wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| Commander Kinsey wrote:
| I've never really noticed which way round these things are in Windows,
| but from a Google search, it appears Windows has it backwards and MacOS
| has it correct. OK on the right, this makes more sense. An
affirmative
| action is moreso, yes is 1, no is 0, ok should be to the right. It's
| been annoying me recently in a game (Civ VI) when I automatically
assume
| the button on the right is "yes" and click the wrong one.
|
| Except usually "yes" is TRUE which is 0 not 1 in programing...
|
| Since when was TRUE 0?

A great example of 1st world problems.

Yes, 0 is false. True is 1 or -1. (A 32-bit value with all bits
switched on is -1.)

As a left-hander I should sue you for the emotional damage
caused by your assumption of right being superior, but I'll let
it go this time. (I've always suspected right-handed people
may not be very sharp, anyway.

Actually, I'm not right handed. "Right handed" people are really ambidextrous, thus able to follow the standard of using their right hand to write with (thus not smudging the ink). A few of us may be right handed, but presumably a similarly small number as left handed folk. All left handed people are inferior as they are unable to use either hand.

You may have noticed that Windows also has the control
box on the right while Mac puts it on the left. So are both
systems half-right in your right-hand-chauvinist view?

What is a "control box"?

I have a trackball that lets me put the focus on the default,
so I rarely think about it, except the rare cases where I
accidentally click the wrong button *because* of that feature.

I never want anything to default for me. How does your computer know what you're going to want?

The first button (left) is focused by default. Many programmers
don't even know that, so nearly all message boxes will have
the focus on the left. In that sense, the positive answer
(yes or OK) is focused, which seems to accord with your
prejudice. But it can be done differently if the programmer
has a reason to do so. You can see it he
Paste the following into Notepad, save as msg.vbs, then run it.

MsgBox "first", 1
MsgBox "second", 257

Nothing should ever be focused, this means you could select it by pressing space or enter when you're in the middle of something else.

On Thu, 30 May 2019 16:32:12 -0400, Jonathan N. Little, another mentally
deficient, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered:


Except usually "yes" is TRUE which is 0 not 1 in programing...

....and troll-feeding senile idiot no.1 appeared who couldn't resist taking
the trolling ******'s latest idiotic bait! tsk

On Thu, 30 May 2019 21:45:50 +0100, Andy Burns, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered:

https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/true-invocation.html

But generally I agree, false is zero

....and troll-feeding senile idiot no.2 appeared who couldn't resist taking
the abnormal attention-starved ******'s latest silly troll! BG

On Thu, 30 May 2019 16:57:14 -0400, Mayayana, another mentally challenged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered:


A great example of 1st world problems.

Nope, but a great example of a retarded attention-starved troll setting out
silly baits and senile idiots falling for them, hook, line and sinker, time
and again!

On 30/05/2019 23.04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 30 May 2019 21:57:14 +0100, Mayayana
wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| Commander Kinsey wrote:
| I've never really noticed which way round these things are in
Windows,
| but from a Google search, it appears Windows has it backwards and
MacOS
| has it correct.Â* OK on the right, this makes more sense.Â* An
affirmative
| action is moreso, yes is 1, no is 0, ok should be to the right.Â*
It's
| been annoying me recently in a game (Civ VI) when I automatically
assume
| the button on the right is "yes" and click the wrong one.
|
| Except usually "yes" is TRUE which is 0 not 1 in programing...
|
| Since when was TRUE 0?

Â*A great example of 1st world problems.

Â*Yes, 0 is false. True is 1 or -1. (A 32-bit value with all bits
switched on is -1.)

Google "what is the value of true in C".

Answer:

The bottom line is that, whenever a Boolean value is generated by an
expression, it ... ... yields 1 if the specified relation is true and 0
if it is false. The result has type int. So, yes, the result of any
Boolean-generating expression will be one for true, or zero for false.


But:

https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/true-invocation.html

16.2 true: Do nothing, successfully

true does nothing except return an exit status of 0, meaning success. It
can be used as a place holder in shell scripts where a successful
command is needed, although the shell built-in command : (colon) may do
the same thing faster. In most modern shells, true is a built-in
command, so when you use ‘true’ in a script, you’re probably using the
built-in command, not the one documented here.


....


I have a trackball that lets me put the focus on the default,
so I rarely think about it, except the rare cases where I
accidentally click the wrong button *because* of that feature.

I never want anything to default for me.Â* How does your computer know
what you're going to want?

The first button (left) is focused by default. Many programmers
don't even know that, so nearly all message boxes will have
the focus on the left. In that sense, the positive answer
(yes or OK) is focused, which seems to accord with your
prejudice. But it can be done differently if the programmer
has a reason to do so. You can see it he
Paste the following into Notepad, save as msg.vbs, then run it.

MsgBox "first", 1
MsgBox "second", 257

Nothing should ever be focused, this means you could select it by
pressing space or enter when you're in the middle of something else.

Take that issue with the programmer of whatever application. Maybe even
with Microsoft. Boxes have default behaviours, and the programmer
chooses them. Typically "Ok" is enter, "No" or "Cancel" is Esc.

And some mouse drivers (typically touchpads) have an optional function
to jump the pointer automatically to the default button. Switch it on or
off, your choice.


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In article , Jonathan N. Little
wrote:


Except usually "yes" is TRUE which is 0 not 1 in programing...

nope. in programming, true is non-zero (usually 1 but should not be
assumed to always be 1) and false is 0.