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  #16  
Old April 5th 18, 07:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Wed, 4 Apr 2018 17:41:02 -0500, philo wrote:

Unless the new version has some features you really need...no sense in
updating.

Most of the people I know are fine with their ten year old versions.


I've convinced family and friends to use OOo and later LO (LibreOffice).
So far, no complaints...

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Old April 5th 18, 08:43 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message ,
"(PeteCresswell)" writes:
Per Char Jackson:
One of my favorite and most-used features. I frequently have two or more
workbooks open at once and it's very useful to be able to move them
around to any of my 3 displays.


+1 - putting all the workbooks under a single window makes me crazy.

IIRC, in 2003 at least, there is a registry change one can make that cures
that problem and opens each workbook in it's own window.

Personally, I have been drifting towards LibreOffice 4.2 because it opens the
occasional .XLSX file I get.


Didn't Microsoft release a patch to open the .---x variants in earlier
Offices; I know they did for .docx.

Even so, I keep Office 2003 installed just for MS Access...

I prefer Excel 2003 because of the non-ribbon: I'm not _too_ bothered
about the ribbon itself, but it uses up vertical space on my monitor,
meaning I can't see as much of one particular spreadsheet (or have to
zoom out enough that it's very hard to read). [My main machine is this
laptop, which doesn't have multiple monitors.]
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Old April 5th 18, 09:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 20:43:07 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

I prefer Excel 2003 because of the non-ribbon: I'm not _too_ bothered
about the ribbon itself, but it uses up vertical space on my monitor,
meaning I can't see as much of one particular spreadsheet (or have to
zoom out enough that it's very hard to read). [My main machine is this
laptop, which doesn't have multiple monitors.]


Couldn't you collapse the ribbon unless/until you actually need it?
It has 3 display settings:
Auto-Hide
Show tabs
Show Tabs and Commands

Perhaps Auto-Hide would fit your use case best.

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Old April 5th 18, 09:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , Char Jackson
writes:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 20:43:07 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

I prefer Excel 2003 because of the non-ribbon: I'm not _too_ bothered
about the ribbon itself, but it uses up vertical space on my monitor,
meaning I can't see as much of one particular spreadsheet (or have to
zoom out enough that it's very hard to read). [My main machine is this
laptop, which doesn't have multiple monitors.]


Couldn't you collapse the ribbon unless/until you actually need it?
It has 3 display settings:
Auto-Hide
Show tabs
Show Tabs and Commands

Perhaps Auto-Hide would fit your use case best.

Probably. Either I didn't know the above, or had forgotten it. But I've
reloaded 2003 now. There seem now to be two shortcuts in my Office
program folder, for each - Word 2007, Word 2003, Excel 2007, Excel 2003,
and so on.
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Old April 5th 18, 10:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Per Mayayana:
Is there a reason not to use the latest --
5.4 for XP or 6 for Win7+? I use LO for everything
office-esque, but my needs are minimal, so I
haven't really looked into differences between
versions. I just update every once in awhile,
when I think of it.


That's the diff - I have yet to think about it ...-)

But now that you have said it, I guess I should DL the latest-and-greatest...
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Old April 5th 18, 10:12 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Per Java Jive:
Whereas splurging the desktop with multiple windows and the task bar
with multiple icons for the same app makes me crazy.


Maybe it has something to do with multiple monitors?

Do you have more than one?

I have two beeeeeg monitors and one smaller one - so it's a plus to be able
to glance from sheet-to-sheet.... also, I have limited grey matter, so
remembering what is on Sheet A while looking at Sheet B is sometimes beyond
me....
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Old April 5th 18, 10:15 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Per Char Jackson:
Couldn't you collapse the ribbon unless/until you actually need it?
It has 3 display settings:
Auto-Hide
Show tabs
Show Tabs and Commands


I think the issue with my bond traders was more that MS had (as usual) moved
the furniture around and they did not feel like they had the time to deal
with it when they could play Excel 2003 like Yitzhak Pearlman plays the
violin.
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Old April 5th 18, 10:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 05/04/2018 13:33, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

I think the Ribbon Bar was the primary culprit.



And you were so stupid that you didn't even think of telling them that
Ribbon is very intuitive if the users have some common sense. Idiots
should stop using all Microsoft products but people with some
intelligence would waste their abilities if they start using those junk
products that are given away free of charge. Microsoft is for the
intelligent person; Linux Junk and associated free products are for the
idiots.

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Old April 5th 18, 10:35 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Thu, 05 Apr 2018 01:56:13 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2018 22:21:24 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote:

I personally loathe one aspect of the Excel 2016 interface: every
opened workbook is a separate window, [snip]


One of my favorite and most-used features. I frequently have two or more
workbooks open at once and it's very useful to be able to move them
around to any of my 3 displays.


Office 2013 did not add that feature, which was always there in
Windows (at least from Windows 7; I'm not sure about Vista). Shift-
clicking on the taskbar box for any program opens a second copy of
it, which you can move anywhere you like.

Office 2013 took away the feature of having multiple workbooks open
in one window.

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Old April 5th 18, 10:48 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 20:43:07 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I prefer Excel 2003 because of the non-ribbon: I'm not _too_ bothered
about the ribbon itself, but it uses up vertical space on my
monitor,


That's why Excel offers the option to minimize the ribbon. I don't
know about 2007, but the feature is there in 2010, 2013, and 2016.
Simply right-click in the ribbon and select Minimize. It comes back,
briefly, when you click on any tab.

The ribbon takes some getting used to, I won't deny. But these
helped:

http://www.rondebruin.nl/win/s5/win008.htm

http://vpsaweb2.sjsu.edu/ES/ES/systems/Excel2007.xlsx
(Despite the ES, it's in English.)


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Old April 6th 18, 02:12 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Per Good Guy:
And you were so stupid that you didn't even think of telling them that
Ribbon is very intuitive if the users have some common sense. Idiots
should stop using all Microsoft products...


These are fund managers at a major mutual fund.

They have higher IQs and make more money than you or I ever dreamed of.

Try telling them what you just wrote above, and good luck with the rest of
your (extremely brief) career at that company.

In a prior life I worked at mainframe programming at a big-city utility
company and we had system programmers that thought everybody in the company
who did not know all about the IBM OS and JCL was an idiot - but most of
those "Idiots" were engineers earning substantially more than the system
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Old April 6th 18, 02:20 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 04/05/2018 08:33 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
I think the Ribbon Bar was the primary culprit.

I didn't like it myself either but got used to it. It's everywhere
now. With all the features they are jambing into programs now, it's
about as bad as all the toolbars they used to have. Kinda 50/50.

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Old April 9th 18, 12:11 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 04/04/2018 19:09, Yousuf Khan wrote:
Currently using Office 2007 (Ultimate), mainly use Word, Excel, and
Access at home. I understand Office 2019 is about to come out, so I'm
thinking there might be some good deals on Office 2016 soon. Thinking of
going to Office 2016, not interested in the Office 365 subscription
model at all. Also let's not get sidetracked by discussions about
OpenOffice or Google Docs, I use those as well, but you need the actual
MS Office for the most features and most compatibility.

Is there anything new that is useful with 2016 that's not also in 2007?
I'm talking about new side applications and/or features within the main
applications, for example.

Also I understand that Office 2019 will only work in Windows 10, so does
Office 2016 work in Windows 7 too?

Yousuf Khan


Yes, Office 2016 works well on W7 (pro 64b). I had to get used to the
differences with 2007 (less) and 2003 (huge). But now me and my wife use
2016 on all systems. Not cheap but it works well.
BTW, I would'n want 365 either.

Fokke
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Old April 9th 18, 04:44 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Hello Fokke,

I use WPS Office, from KingSoft, no Access but word processing and spreadsheets
can be made to work like MS Office Pro. Never used its Presentation (PowerPoint)
as I don't do slides/presentations... retired from work 20 years ago.
On 04/04/2018 19:09, Yousuf Khan wrote:

Currently using Office 2007 (Ultimate), mainly use Word, Excel, and
Access at home. I understand Office 2019 is about to come out, so I'm
thinking there might be some good deals on Office 2016 soon. Thinking
of going to Office 2016, not interested in the Office 365
subscription model at all. Also let's not get sidetracked by
discussions about OpenOffice or Google Docs, I use those as well, but
you need the actual MS Office for the most features and most
compatibility.

Is there anything new that is useful with 2016 that's not also in
2007? I'm talking about new side applications and/or features within
the main applications, for example.

Also I understand that Office 2019 will only work in Windows 10, so
does Office 2016 work in Windows 7 too?

Yousuf Khan

Yes, Office 2016 works well on W7 (pro 64b). I had to get used to the
differences with 2007 (less) and 2003 (huge). But now me and my wife
use
2016 on all systems. Not cheap but it works well.
BTW, I would'n want 365 either.
Fokke



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Old April 19th 18, 11:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 4/5/2018 10:48 AM, Java Jive wrote:
Whereas splurging the desktop with multiple windows and the task bar
with multiple icons for the same app makes me crazy. I try to keep all
my main work windows exactly above each other and then use Alt Tab to
switch rapidly between them, and the first thing I have to do whenever I
open a second window of anything is put it back exactly above the
other(s) because of MS' unhelpful insistance on putting somewhere else,
anywhere else, than where I actually want it.


I find that if the two worksheets are part of the same window, rather
than being separate windows, you have a much tougher time switching back
and forth between them, especially when you're copying & pasting info
between the two worksheets.

Yousuf Khan
 




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