I thought Macrium Reflect was supposed to be so great

I took the 40gb HDD out of my XP laptop, and cloned it to a 160gb drive,
using Macrium Reflect. I did it exactly the way it suggested. I used the
"Clone" button, and had it create an exact duplicate to the larger
drive. It created a 40gb partition which is supposed to be an identical
clone. I did nothing with the remainder of that drive. I figured I could
format the remaining 120gb later, and having a 40gb partition with the
OS is fine. The remainder of the drive will be storage and music, etc.

But after all the great things I have heard about Macrium Ref, I am very
disappointed. When I plug in the new drive, all I see is "Operating
system not found". After unsuccessfully trying to do the same with
Norton Ghost and a program from Seagate that is supposed to also clone
drives, I guess I'm out of luck cloning this.

Guess it's time to start from scratch and install XP. I dont mind that
so much, but I do mind having to reinstall all the programs and worse
yet, having to reconfigure all the settings, drivers, and removing all
the annoyances out of XP.

Macrium Reflect gets an "F". (FAILED - FAILED - FAILED)
Now it goes in the trash bin, since I have no use for anything else it
does (like backup).

On 11/25/2017 8:47 PM, wrote:
I took the 40gb HDD out of my XP laptop, and cloned it to a 160gb drive,
using Macrium Reflect. I did it exactly the way it suggested. I used the
"Clone" button, and had it create an exact duplicate to the larger
drive. It created a 40gb partition which is supposed to be an identical
clone. I did nothing with the remainder of that drive. I figured I could
format the remaining 120gb later, and having a 40gb partition with the
OS is fine. The remainder of the drive will be storage and music, etc.

But after all the great things I have heard about Macrium Ref, I am very
disappointed. When I plug in the new drive, all I see is "Operating
system not found". After unsuccessfully trying to do the same with
Norton Ghost and a program from Seagate that is supposed to also clone
drives, I guess I'm out of luck cloning this.

Guess it's time to start from scratch and install XP. I dont mind that
so much, but I do mind having to reinstall all the programs and worse
yet, having to reconfigure all the settings, drivers, and removing all
the annoyances out of XP.

Macrium Reflect gets an "F". (FAILED - FAILED - FAILED)
Now it goes in the trash b

in, since I have no use for anything else it
does (like backup).

You can probably fix it by booting the xp install disk a and repairing
it, although not too sure about XP. Surely there are many tutorials
about this problem.

I've never used the clone function.
I always back up the "drives needed to reinstall windows" to external
media.
Install the new drive and restore the backup.
This will also install all the boot stuff, including any special stuff
you might have in the boot sector.
That has never failed me.

wrote:
I took the 40gb HDD out of my XP laptop, and cloned it to a 160gb drive,
using Macrium Reflect. I did it exactly the way it suggested. I used the
"Clone" button, and had it create an exact duplicate to the larger
drive. It created a 40gb partition which is supposed to be an identical
clone. I did nothing with the remainder of that drive. I figured I could
format the remaining 120gb later, and having a 40gb partition with the
OS is fine. The remainder of the drive will be storage and music, etc.

But after all the great things I have heard about Macrium Ref, I am very
disappointed. When I plug in the new drive, all I see is "Operating
system not found". After unsuccessfully trying to do the same with
Norton Ghost and a program from Seagate that is supposed to also clone
drives, I guess I'm out of luck cloning this.

Guess it's time to start from scratch and install XP. I dont mind that
so much, but I do mind having to reinstall all the programs and worse
yet, having to reconfigure all the settings, drivers, and removing all
the annoyances out of XP.

Macrium Reflect gets an "F". (FAILED - FAILED - FAILED)
Now it goes in the trash bin, since I have no use for anything else it
does (like backup).


Did you at least look at the drive in Disk Management ?

Does it pass CHKDSK ?

The Macrium CD has a menu with a "boot repair" item,
as well as its own File Explorer like tool, and a Command Prompt.
You can do quite a bit in there, before switching to another
environment entirely.

Paul

In message , mike
writes
On 11/25/2017 8:47 PM, wrote:
I took the 40gb HDD out of my XP laptop, and cloned it to a 160gb drive,
using Macrium Reflect. I did it exactly the way it suggested. I used the
"Clone" button, and had it create an exact duplicate to the larger
drive. It created a 40gb partition which is supposed to be an identical
clone. I did nothing with the remainder of that drive. I figured I could
format the remaining 120gb later, and having a 40gb partition with the
OS is fine. The remainder of the drive will be storage and music, etc.

But after all the great things I have heard about Macrium Ref, I am very
disappointed. When I plug in the new drive, all I see is "Operating
system not found". After unsuccessfully trying to do the same with
Norton Ghost and a program from Seagate that is supposed to also clone
drives, I guess I'm out of luck cloning this.

Guess it's time to start from scratch and install XP. I dont mind that
so much, but I do mind having to reinstall all the programs and worse
yet, having to reconfigure all the settings, drivers, and removing all
the annoyances out of XP.

Macrium Reflect gets an "F". (FAILED - FAILED - FAILED)
Now it goes in the trash b

in, since I have no use for anything else it
does (like backup).

You can probably fix it by booting the xp install disk a and repairing
it, although not too sure about XP. Surely there are many tutorials
about this problem.

I've never used the clone function.
I always back up the "drives needed to reinstall windows" to external
media.
Install the new drive and restore the backup.
This will also install all the boot stuff, including any special stuff
you might have in the boot sector.
That has never failed me.

I've only cloned two or three 2.5" disks - and, every time, I think I
got something similar. IIRC, I had to do a 'Rebuild Master Boot Record'
(MBR). 'AOMEI Partition Assistant' (which can also do the cloning) has
this function. [Other cloning programs may also have the 'Rebuild MBR'
function.]

--
Ian

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 03:18:26 -0500, Paul wrote:

wrote:
I took the 40gb HDD out of my XP laptop, and cloned it to a 160gb drive,
using Macrium Reflect. I did it exactly the way it suggested. I used the
"Clone" button, and had it create an exact duplicate to the larger
drive. It created a 40gb partition which is supposed to be an identical
clone. I did nothing with the remainder of that drive. I figured I could
format the remaining 120gb later, and having a 40gb partition with the
OS is fine. The remainder of the drive will be storage and music, etc.

But after all the great things I have heard about Macrium Ref, I am very
disappointed. When I plug in the new drive, all I see is "Operating
system not found". After unsuccessfully trying to do the same with
Norton Ghost and a program from Seagate that is supposed to also clone
drives, I guess I'm out of luck cloning this.

Guess it's time to start from scratch and install XP. I dont mind that
so much, but I do mind having to reinstall all the programs and worse
yet, having to reconfigure all the settings, drivers, and removing all
the annoyances out of XP.

Macrium Reflect gets an "F". (FAILED - FAILED - FAILED)
Now it goes in the trash bin, since I have no use for anything else it
does (like backup).


Did you at least look at the drive in Disk Management ?

Does it pass CHKDSK ?

The Macrium CD has a menu with a "boot repair" item,
as well as its own File Explorer like tool, and a Command Prompt.
You can do quite a bit in there, before switching to another
environment entirely.

Paul

In the process of preparing to wipe the drive of the two partitions, I
ran Partition Magic. P.M immediately told me there was something off by
one byte. I really did not know what it meant, and since I was preparing
to wipe the drive, I didn't care. It said "do you want P.M to fix this,
and I clicked YES".

Just for the heck of it, I put it back in the intended computer. It
still did not boot. I inserted my XP install CD and was told there was
no hard drive connected. Mind you, I did not put the drive in the
carrier (holder from the old drive). I just pushed it in and it appeared
to plug into the connector (this is a T43 Lenovo). I finally changed
that carrier and as soon as I pushed it in, it booted just fine.

So, was the problem that lack of the carrier did not let it plug in
correctly, or that one fixed byte????

All I know is that it works now.....

So, Macrium now gets an "A".

--

I still have one slight problem that I cant figure out how to fix. I ran
partition magic again, on the intended computer, and turned that
remaining 120gb into a logical partition. That works fine, except it
comes up as drive E:.

The first partition is C:
The CDrom drive was D:
The new additional partition is now showing as E:

I dont want it that way. I want the CDrom as the LAST drive letter. I
thought that removing the CDrom drive would fix this. NOPE.... all it
did was eliminate D:.

The normal order of things is to cluster the HDDs together and place the
CD drive after. Thats how I want it too.

How do I change this?

There must be a way....

wrote:

I still have one slight problem that I cant figure out how to fix. I ran
partition magic again, on the intended computer, and turned that
remaining 120gb into a logical partition. That works fine, except it
comes up as drive E:.

The first partition is C:
The CDrom drive was D:
The new additional partition is now showing as E:

I dont want it that way. I want the CDrom as the LAST drive letter. I
thought that removing the CDrom drive would fix this. NOPE.... all it
did was eliminate D:.

The normal order of things is to cluster the HDDs together and place the
CD drive after. Thats how I want it too.

How do I change this?

There must be a way....

You can assign your own letters to drives. Like you,
I normally want the CD drive moved out of the way.

I think a bad choice might be Q, as there may be some
OneClick installer from Microsoft, that uses Q for its
virtual drive. Other than that, the idea is just to
keep the CD away from the rest of the hard drive partitions.

And you have to live with the CD letter choice, if using
an Office product. If later, you attempt to "Repair" office,
it can be quite insistent that the CD go into a drive
the same as the original letter. So if you made the CD X:
for example, when you repair Office it will say something
about drive X: again, because it remembers where it
was installed from.

Go to Disk Management, right click a partition, and the menu
should have a "Change a drive letter" type thing in it.

Paul

In message ,
writes:
[]
Just for the heck of it, I put it back in the intended computer. It
still did not boot. I inserted my XP install CD and was told there was
no hard drive connected. Mind you, I did not put the drive in the
carrier (holder from the old drive). I just pushed it in and it appeared
to plug into the connector (this is a T43 Lenovo). I finally changed
that carrier and as soon as I pushed it in, it booted just fine.

So, was the problem that lack of the carrier did not let it plug in
correctly, or that one fixed byte????

I suspect the lack of connection. On a desktop machine, the lack of any
hard drive would usually show up during the BIOS bootup stage before
Windows (though some have a splashscreen that obscures that screen,
though it can usually be turned off), but in laptops this is less
obvious.

All I know is that it works now.....

So, Macrium now gets an "A".

Pleased to hear it. (Like mike, I have never used its clone function - I
make an image to an external drive, and restore from that image [I use
it - Macrium 5 in my case - to make images for backup] - but I'm pleased
to hear that worked too.)
--

I still have one slight problem that I cant figure out how to fix. I ran
partition magic again, on the intended computer, and turned that
remaining 120gb into a logical partition. That works fine, except it
comes up as drive E:.

The first partition is C:
The CDrom drive was D:
The new additional partition is now showing as E:

I dont want it that way. I want the CDrom as the LAST drive letter. I
thought that removing the CDrom drive would fix this. NOPE.... all it
did was eliminate D:.

The normal order of things is to cluster the HDDs together and place the
CD drive after. Thats how I want it too.

How do I change this?

There must be a way....

Paul has told you, along with warnings that anything you've already
installed that thinks it was installed from D: may require that you put
the disc in D: if you need to change/repair it. FWIW, I tend to tuck the
optical drive(s) well down the alphabet - R: for reader and W: for
writer if I have two; this keeps them well out of the way of flash
drives, card readers, and the like.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

.... the pleasure of the mind is an amazing thing. My life has been driven by
the satisfaction of curiosity. - Jeremy Paxman (being interviewed by Anne
Widdecombe), Radio Times, 2-8 July 2011.

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 08:53:30 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , mike
writes
On 11/25/2017 8:47 PM, wrote:
I took the 40gb HDD out of my XP laptop, and cloned it to a 160gb drive,
using Macrium Reflect. I did it exactly the way it suggested. I used the
"Clone" button, and had it create an exact duplicate to the larger
drive. It created a 40gb partition which is supposed to be an identical
clone. I did nothing with the remainder of that drive. I figured I could
format the remaining 120gb later, and having a 40gb partition with the
OS is fine. The remainder of the drive will be storage and music, etc.

But after all the great things I have heard about Macrium Ref, I am very
disappointed. When I plug in the new drive, all I see is "Operating
system not found". After unsuccessfully trying to do the same with
Norton Ghost and a program from Seagate that is supposed to also clone
drives, I guess I'm out of luck cloning this.

Guess it's time to start from scratch and install XP. I dont mind that
so much, but I do mind having to reinstall all the programs and worse
yet, having to reconfigure all the settings, drivers, and removing all
the annoyances out of XP.

Macrium Reflect gets an "F". (FAILED - FAILED - FAILED)
Now it goes in the trash b

in, since I have no use for anything else it
does (like backup).

You can probably fix it by booting the xp install disk a and repairing
it, although not too sure about XP. Surely there are many tutorials
about this problem.

I've never used the clone function.
I always back up the "drives needed to reinstall windows" to external
media.
Install the new drive and restore the backup.
This will also install all the boot stuff, including any special stuff
you might have in the boot sector.
That has never failed me.

I've only cloned two or three 2.5" disks - and, every time, I think I
got something similar. IIRC, I had to do a 'Rebuild Master Boot Record'
(MBR). 'AOMEI Partition Assistant' (which can also do the cloning) has
this function. [Other cloning programs may also have the 'Rebuild MBR'
function.]

+1 on AOMEI. Small, functional and free.

https://www.disk-partition.com/product.html

Pro version available as a giveaway. Glugle it.
[]'s


--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 07:09:03 -0500, Paul wrote:

wrote:

I still have one slight problem that I cant figure out how to fix. I ran
partition magic again, on the intended computer, and turned that
remaining 120gb into a logical partition. That works fine, except it
comes up as drive E:.

The first partition is C:
The CDrom drive was D:
The new additional partition is now showing as E:

I dont want it that way. I want the CDrom as the LAST drive letter. I
thought that removing the CDrom drive would fix this. NOPE.... all it
did was eliminate D:.

The normal order of things is to cluster the HDDs together and place the
CD drive after. Thats how I want it too.

How do I change this?

There must be a way....

You can assign your own letters to drives. Like you,
I normally want the CD drive moved out of the way.

I think a bad choice might be Q, as there may be some
OneClick installer from Microsoft, that uses Q for its
virtual drive. Other than that, the idea is just to
keep the CD away from the rest of the hard drive partitions.

And you have to live with the CD letter choice, if using
an Office product. If later, you attempt to "Repair" office,
it can be quite insistent that the CD go into a drive
the same as the original letter. So if you made the CD X:
for example, when you repair Office it will say something
about drive X: again, because it remembers where it
was installed from.

Go to Disk Management, right click a partition, and the menu
should have a "Change a drive letter" type thing in it.

Paul

Ok, I figured that out. I now have C: and D: as the HDD partitions and
the CD drive is E:. But I thought about outting the CD further away. I
thought ot use "O", (cuz CDs are round like an "O"). Now that you said
this, I think I will set it to drive O:. The only CD that has any
importance on this laptop would be the original XP installer CD.
Otherwise I have not used CDs much on that machine. The only other thing
I can even think of, is some kids game I have installed from a CD, and
it's nothing I really need, and could be removed or reinstalled if I
choose, so that I can entertain visiting kids a few times each year.It's
one of those games that wont run right from the CD and must be
installed.

Anyhow I'm pleased to get the HDD partitions together now.

In message ,
writes:
[]
Ok, I figured that out. I now have C: and D: as the HDD partitions and
the CD drive is E:. But I thought about outting the CD further away. I

Glad you got it sorted.

thought ot use "O", (cuz CDs are round like an "O"). Now that you said

Er - so are the platters in the HDs, and floppies ... however, another
reason for O might be optical ... (-:

this, I think I will set it to drive O:. The only CD that has any
importance on this laptop would be the original XP installer CD.
[]
So you don't have Office on it.
--
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"If even one person" arguments allow the perfect to become the enemy of the
good, and thus they tend to cause more harm than good.
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 21:57:25 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message ,
writes:
[]
Ok, I figured that out. I now have C: and D: as the HDD partitions and
the CD drive is E:. But I thought about outting the CD further away. I

Glad you got it sorted.

thought ot use "O", (cuz CDs are round like an "O"). Now that you said

Er - so are the platters in the HDs, and floppies ... however, another
reason for O might be optical ... (-:


I dont open my hard drives or floppies, so I dont see the round part
But yea, "O"ptical makes sense....

this, I think I will set it to drive O:. The only CD that has any
importance on this laptop would be the original XP installer CD.
[]
So you don't have Office on it.

No, I've never had any need for that kind of software. I use Wordpad in
XP or Win98 once and awhile. That is all I ever needed.

I use mostly graphic editing software and play videos and music. Aside
from the internet, thats about all I do on the computer. Wordpad works
fine for just plain letter writing, and since I dont have or want a
printer, I take whatever I write on Wordpad to the library for printing.
I probably do that 4 or 5 times a year, and at 15 cents a copy, I cant
see paying big money for printer ink, which will dry up before I use it
all.

Do many average homeowners really use spreadsheets, data bases, and
graphic presentations found in Office? I doubt it.

Actually, I do have a database installed. Its from the old DOS days. I
just use it for phone number and addresses of friends and businesses.
It's called Rapid File. There was no way to convert the data to any
other program, and I was not willing to retype the whole thing. These
days I mostly have all that stuff on my cellphone contact list, but I
still use that old dos program to simply look up a phone number. I can
make my Win98 computer boot directly to dos, so it only takes a few
seconds to access that thing and obtain a phone #. I have a batchfile
that makes it all happen in a few keystrokes.

By the way, Rapid File was the top rated databases in the Dos days. It
was far advanced from the common Dbase that most people used. That was
also the first program I ever used on a computer. A friend of mine
worked at a hospital and he also ran that program at home so he could
work at home. He was also running a volunteer organization, which I was
involved with. One day he gave me a list of around 100 names addr and
phone numbers and told me to enter them into the computer list of
volunteers. That was the first time I ever touched a computer, but he
had me using it in a few hours.

Shortly after that, I bought an old (real old) floppy booted computer
(no hard drive). He put that program and the whole database for
volunteers onto a floppy and told me to do my work at home, to save me
driving to his office. I managed to update that list of around 500
volunteers from home and at the same time, I made my own database for
personal names, addr and phone numbers. So, I' have used that program
since the late 80s. I did buy a legal copy of it later on too, which I
found on ebay for a couple bucks.

So, that is how I got into computers. Later on I got a real computer
with a hard drive and colored monitor and became hooked on graphic
editing. Back then, that was the greatest thing ever..... I also got a
modem and connected to some local BBSs. That too was great. (long before
the internet even existed).

By the way, Rapid File was created in 1987 by the Ashton Tate Co.
What's really nice, is that it's portable. No installation needed and
will run from a floppy, flash drive, or HDD.

In message ,
writes:
[]
I dont open my hard drives or floppies, so I dont see the round part
But yea, "O"ptical makes sense....

(Sometimes there's some implication from the shape of the case that
there's something round inside. But stick with "O"ptical!)
[]
So you don't have Office on it.

No, I've never had any need for that kind of software. I use Wordpad in
XP or Win98 once and awhile. That is all I ever needed.

Indeed.

I use mostly graphic editing software and play videos and music. Aside
from the internet, thats about all I do on the computer. Wordpad works
fine for just plain letter writing, and since I dont have or want a
printer, I take whatever I write on Wordpad to the library for printing.
I probably do that 4 or 5 times a year, and at 15 cents a copy, I cant
see paying big money for printer ink, which will dry up before I use it
all.

Do you need colour? If not, a cheap laser printer might save you some
grief - and the quality and durability of the output is far better than
ink printers anyway. Quite right, for an occasional user, drying up is a
problem. I can get a new one for less than 30 pounds - I expect you can
for less than $30. And even with the half-full toner cartridge they come
with, it should last you several years.

Do many average homeowners really use spreadsheets, data bases, and
graphic presentations found in Office? I doubt it.

Actually, I do have a database installed. Its from the old DOS days. I
just use it for phone number and addresses of friends and businesses.
It's called Rapid File. There was no way to convert the data to any
other program, and I was not willing to retype the whole thing. These

Can it save the data in comma-separated variable format (that's a text
file with each entry separated by commas)? If so, most modern databases
such as Excel can import data in that format. However, if it works,
there's indeed no need!
[]
Shortly after that, I bought an old (real old) floppy booted computer

Wow, floppy drives - luxury! (I started in the days of storage on
cassettes.)
[]
since the late 80s. I did buy a legal copy of it later on too, which I
found on ebay for a couple bucks.

So, that is how I got into computers. Later on I got a real computer
with a hard drive and colored monitor and became hooked on graphic
editing. Back then, that was the greatest thing ever..... I also got a
modem and connected to some local BBSs. That too was great. (long before
the internet even existed).

By the way, Rapid File was created in 1987 by the Ashton Tate Co.

I've heard of the name. Probably been bought up several times since then

What's really nice, is that it's portable. No installation needed and
will run from a floppy, flash drive, or HDD.


--
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