Oh my God ! "Windows 8 is so good, everyone wants Windows 7"

Lenovo: Windows 8 is so good, everyone wants Windows 7

We'll just leave Redmond's latest OS on this DVD, over here. When you
want it

You don't notch up 15 consecutive quarters of growth in a declining
market without doing something right - so what's PC maker Lenovo doing
right?

Well, many things. But it can't do any harm that Lenovo is protecting
enterprises from the waterboarding torture of the Microsoft Windows 8
operating system. The majority of Lenovo's enterprise shipments have
Windows 7 installed; the touchscreen-friendly Windows 8 is discreetly
bundled on its own separate disc.
[...]
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/201..._windows8_meh/

On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:21:09 +0000, Unicorn wrote:

Lenovo: Windows 8 is so good, everyone wants Windows 7

We'll just leave Redmond's latest OS on this DVD, over here. When you
want it

You don't notch up 15 consecutive quarters of growth in a declining
market without doing something right - so what's PC maker Lenovo doing
right?

Well, many things. But it can't do any harm that Lenovo is protecting
enterprises from the waterboarding torture of the Microsoft Windows 8
operating system. The majority of Lenovo's enterprise shipments have
Windows 7 installed; the touchscreen-friendly Windows 8 is discreetly
bundled on its own separate disc.
[...]
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/201..._windows8_meh/
I'm writing this on a Lenovo ThinkPad Twist with Win 8 Pro 64 bit
installed in the factory by Lenovo, and I actually quite like it,
thank you.

"dweebken" wrote in message
...


[...]
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/201..._windows8_meh/
I'm writing this on a Lenovo ThinkPad Twist with Win 8 Pro 64 bit
installed in the factory by Lenovo, and I actually quite like it,
thank you.

As Paul TG. says in his article;
"We’re so consumed by negative reports and bad news about Windows 8 these
days that [...]"
___________________________________
"In Praise of the Windows 8 Desktop
News_WIN_AUT_PaulThurrott_70x91
By Paul Thurrott
We’re so consumed by negative reports and bad news about Windows 8 these
days that I thought I’d take a step back and remind you about an
inconvenient truth: The improvements Microsoft made just to the desktop
environment in this release make Windows 8 upgrade a bigger improvement over
Windows 7 than that OS was over its own predecessor, Windows Vista."
http://windowsitpro.com/windows-8/pr...dows-8-desktop

Per McGrath:
We’re so consumed by negative reports and bad news about Windows 8 these
days that I thought I’d take a step back and remind you about an
inconvenient truth: The improvements Microsoft made just to the desktop
environment in this release make Windows 8 upgrade a bigger improvement over
Windows 7 than that OS was over its own predecessor, Windows Vista."

On the dozen-or-so Windows 8 "Surface" type machines I've tried so far I
have been unable to get to a "Programs" menu.

Am I missing something? Maybe a system setting?

Or are users locked into the rectangle buttons, creating their own
desktop shortcuts, or drilling down through C:\Program Files?
--
Pete Cresswell

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per McGrath:
We’re so consumed by negative reports and bad news about Windows 8 these
days that I thought I’d take a step back and remind you about an
inconvenient truth: The improvements Microsoft made just to the desktop
environment in this release make Windows 8 upgrade a bigger improvement over
Windows 7 than that OS was over its own predecessor, Windows Vista."

On the dozen-or-so Windows 8 "Surface" type machines I've tried so far I
have been unable to get to a "Programs" menu.

Am I missing something? Maybe a system setting?

Or are users locked into the rectangle buttons, creating their own
desktop shortcuts, or drilling down through C:\Program Files?

You must be holding it wrong :-) (/APple HuMor)

If you own the Win8 machine, you could put ClassicShell on it.
That'll put a menu back.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/classicshell/

Dell offers a book on Windows 8, if you want one.

https://marketing.dell.com/Global/Fi...ws-8-ebook.pdf

"Because the Windows desktop no longer contains the
traditional Start button and Start menu that sprouted
from the corner, you now must retreat to the new Start
screen.

To open a program, click or tap a program’s tile
from the Start screen, and Windows shuffles you back to
the desktop, where the newly opened program awaits.

Love it or hate it, the new Start screen plays an integral
role in Windows 8. This chapter explains how to
make the most of it, whether you want to enjoy it or
avoid it as much as possible. You find out more about
the desktop in Chapter 2."

It's a "typing based menu system". Type a few letters of the
name of the program, and the search should find it. That's
for things that aren't tiles, and will find things that
hide in your Program Files folder.

Here, a person searches for their copy of Notepad. The "Apps"
section returned "1 hit", and that's the section most likely
to hide your quarry. The "45 hits" in the File section,
are likely to be bogus references. So like a good hunter, you
have to know your prey, and where they hide.

http://www.bleepstatic.com/tutorials...or-notepad.jpg

Now, this looks hopeful. Maybe you need a view like this.
Almost looks like they might have clicked the Apps or something.

http://jesseliberty.com/wp-content/u...SearchApps.jpg

Have a flip through the Dell ebook though, to answer some
of your questions.

Also, the OS is a bit more convenient to work with, if you
have two LCD monitors. As you can have a tile program on
one screen, and a desktop on the other.

http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u1392...nitors-big.jpg

You can have two apps side by side on one screen ("snap"),
if your screen has 1366 or larger resolution. Since my
computer monitor is 1280, I can't do snap (more Win8 HuMor).

(Two things on the screen at once - I guess this is snap.)

http://www.computerhope.com/tips/images/people.jpg

Paul

Per Paul:
If you own the Win8 machine, you could put ClassicShell on it.
That'll put a menu back.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/classicshell/

That's comforting....

But it begs the question of why MS moves the furniture around so much
with new systems. One would think that corporate environments where
10,000-20,000 people are trained to use the existing system would
strongly appreciate not moving the furniture around unless it's really
necessary.

I would hope to hear that there was some cogent reason for not offering
Start | Programs.... but my inner pessimist says otherwise.
--
Pete Cresswell

I hate them both! **** windows 7 and 8. I'm sticking with XP pro Corporate
warez works better on it anyways.

Unicorn wrote:

Lenovo: Windows 8 is so good, everyone wants Windows 7

We'll just leave Redmond's latest OS on this DVD, over here. When you
want it

You don't notch up 15 consecutive quarters of growth in a declining
market without doing something right - so what's PC maker Lenovo doing
right?

Well, many things. But it can't do any harm that Lenovo is protecting
enterprises from the waterboarding torture of the Microsoft Windows 8
operating system. The majority of Lenovo's enterprise shipments have
Windows 7 installed; the touchscreen-friendly Windows 8 is discreetly
bundled on its own separate disc.
[...]
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/201..._windows8_meh/

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proper manners

Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first
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Bur-ring, i'll get this one: WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM JERK!!? We're here to
help you dickweed, ok, ok give the power cord the jiggily piggily wiggily
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There's the employer and the employee and the FROGGER and the FROGEE,
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This sig file was compiled via my journeys through usenet

"dweebken" wrote:
Unicorn wrote:

Lenovo: Windows 8 is so good, everyone wants Windows 7

We'll just leave Redmond's latest OS on this DVD, over here. When you
want it

You don't notch up 15 consecutive quarters of growth in a declining
market without doing something right - so what's PC maker Lenovo doing
right?

Well, many things. But it can't do any harm that Lenovo is protecting
enterprises from the waterboarding torture of the Microsoft Windows 8
operating system. The majority of Lenovo's enterprise shipments have
Windows 7 installed; the touchscreen-friendly Windows 8 is discreetly
bundled on its own separate disc.
[...]
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/201..._windows8_meh/
I'm writing this on a Lenovo ThinkPad Twist with Win 8 Pro 64 bit
installed in the factory by Lenovo, and I actually quite like it,
thank you.

Lenovo sent us on eval one of its new touchscreen tablets with Windows 8 Pro
installed. I was amused to see that one of the craplets installed at the
factory was a Lenovo-branded pseudo START button.

My overall personal opinion of Windows 8 is colored by my position as
principal IT staff for a large enterprise:

* If you're primarily a consumer of information and have a touch-screen
tablet, Windows 8 isn't really that bad.

* If you are primarily a provider of information or use a machine that isn't
a touch-screen tablet, Windows 8 is a smartphone on steroids, and a bad
choice.

* If you have a Surface without an external keyboard, *any* data entry (such
as a userid to log on) is cruel and unusual punishment. Maybe it's better
if you have smaller fingers than I do, but to me the Surface Pro that I used
is something I never want to be forced to use.

Joe

On 19 Mar 2013, "Joe Morris" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

* If you are primarily a provider of information or use a machine
that isn't a touch-screen tablet, Windows 8 is a smartphone on
steroids, and a bad choice.

* If you have a Surface without an external keyboard, *any* data
entry (such as a userid to log on) is cruel and unusual
punishment. Maybe it's better if you have smaller fingers than I
do, but to me the Surface Pro that I used is something I never
want to be forced to use.

This is my feeling about every touch screen device and every tablet
computer I've used. They are all made for consuming content - music,
movies, ebooks, games, simple communication. But creating content is
tedious at best, damn near impossible at worst.

The nice thing about a "real" computer is that you can do whatever you
want with them. They're equally good at consuming and creating content.
Of course there's a place in the world for convenient, portable, easy-
to-use devices, but I get the feeling that the powers-that-be would
like to convince the public that full-duty computers are passe, unhip,
and undesirable. Windows 8 seems like a stepping stone away from the
non-touch interface, and toward reduced capability.

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Paul:
If you own the Win8 machine, you could put ClassicShell on it.
That'll put a menu back.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/classicshell/

That's comforting....

But it begs the question of why MS moves the furniture around so much
with new systems. One would think that corporate environments where
10,000-20,000 people are trained to use the existing system would
strongly appreciate not moving the furniture around unless it's really
necessary.

I would hope to hear that there was some cogent reason for not offering
Start | Programs.... but my inner pessimist says otherwise.

In a corporate environment, this OS is going to be showing up
only on touch devices. And then the changes won't seem
so jarring.

Paul