alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on http://groups.google.com. Is that reallytrue?!

alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!

It is shocking really!!

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comp.mobile.android

On 1/10/2013 5:05 PM, comp.mobile.android wrote:
alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!

It is shocking really!!

Not really. At least I am not surprised.

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 06:05:04 +0700, "comp.mobile.android"
wrote:

alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!

It is shocking really!!


Google groups (listservs) and newsgroups are two entirely different
things.


--
Ken Blake

On 10 Jan 2013, "comp.mobile.android"
wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8:

alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!

It is shocking really!!

Why are you shocked? Do you really think Google listens to or has any
real interest in the Usenet community?

I'm not telling…

comp.mobile.android wrote:
alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!

It is shocking really!!


There are no humans at Google. Only machines.

Machines need "control messages", to recognize legitimate
USENET activity. Such as the creation of new groups.

As far as I know, most admins have turned off all manner of
such control messages for alt.* to stop the creation of
vanity news groups. This is a tamer example of the
activity that used to happen in alt.*.

http://www.almac.co.uk/chef/chef/chef-faq.html

Alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork

I mean, who can forget that group, and why
shouldn't Google archive it ? (Swedish Chef used
to be on The Muppets.)

It's probably here, because it was here when they
started up the archive.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...topics?lnk=srg

But now, when a new group shows up, there's no way to get it
archived. Whether the group has some value to people or not.
Existing admins add alt.comp.os.windows-8 informally, at
the request of their users. And since "Google has no humans",
there's no way for us to ask for it.

If we presented official RFDs to make a new entry in
comp.* , then perhaps we'd get recognized. Then, the
group would be part of the Big Eight. There would
be control messages, champagne, fireworks, and so on.
And Google would see the control message.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_8_(Usenet)

http://www.big-8.org/wiki/How_to_Cre...ig-8_Newsgroup

Paul

"comp.mobile.android" wrote:

alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!

It is shocking really!!

Why is it shocking and, more importantly, why would anyone care?


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XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

On 10/01/2013 11:05 PM, comp.mobile.android wrote:
alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!

It is shocking really!!


Be thankful - it keeps out most of the Trolls. These days, instead of
living under bridges in Norway, they all live in Google Groups.

--
Bob - Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 06:05:04 +0700, "comp.mobile.android"
wrote:

alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!

It is shocking really!!

Google groups is way behind Usenet. It copied some of Usenet to
produce the original groups but is no longer updated from Usenet.

Steve

--
EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com
SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com
JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com

comp.mobile.android wrote:

alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!

It is shocking really!!

The Googles has no use for such trivial matters.

(If you try Yahoo, it will only refer you to the Googles.)

Resistance is futile!

HTH.

--

I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; and
That witch does not kill you
merely makes you watch FoxNews
and abuse yourself with Cheetos.

Repent : 'The End' is near! Or... just smoke 'em if you got 'em.

On 1/11/2013 8:42 AM, Nil wrote:

Why are you shocked? Do you really think Google listens to or has any
real interest in the Usenet community?

But as late as 2007 Google added even such "useful" groups as
alt.free.mailservers and alt.comp.google, really!
(Not really popular newsgroups....)

And yes, sometimes writing to Google Groups support helps. In some cases.
(Good that alt.comp.os.windows-8 at least archived by narkive.com.)

--
comp.mobile.android

On 11 Jan 2013, "comp.mobile.android"
wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

But as late as 2007 Google added even such "useful" groups as
alt.free.mailservers and alt.comp.google, really!
(Not really popular newsgroups....)

Google is nothing if not inconsistent.

And yes, sometimes writing to Google Groups support helps. In some
cases. (Good that alt.comp.os.windows-8 at least archived by
narkive.com.)

You've had better luck than I. I've written to them many times asking
for them to carry alt.windows7.general and alt.comp.os.windows-8. No
response or action, of course. Not to mention the time wasted
"reporting" spam and abuse. I don't know why they would bother to add
groups such as you mention above when they won't add anything useful or
interesting.

On 01/11/2013 02:54 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
On 10/01/2013 11:05 PM, comp.mobile.android wrote:
alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really true?!

It is shocking really!!


Be thankful - it keeps out most of the Trolls. These days, instead of
living under bridges in Norway, they all live in Google Groups.

I was about to write the same thing but you beat me to it. The fact that
this NG isn't yet infested with Google Gropers helps keep the signal to
noise ratio acceptable.

--
Warren Post
http://my.opera.com/wpost/

Warren Post wrote:

On 01/11/2013 02:54 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
On 10/01/2013 11:05 PM, comp.mobile.android wrote:
alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on groups.google.com. Is that really
true?!

It is shocking really!!


Be thankful - it keeps out most of the Trolls. These days,
instead of living under bridges in Norway, they all live in
Google Groups.

I was about to write the same thing but you beat me to it. The
fact that this NG isn't yet infested with Google Gropers helps
keep the signal to noise ratio acceptable.

Google Groupers can't infest a newsgroup unless you let them.

Just join the UIP, see my signature below.


--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

On 11 Jan 2013, Warren Post wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

I was about to write the same thing but you beat me to it. The
fact that this NG isn't yet infested with Google Gropers helps
keep the signal to noise ratio acceptable.

If by "Google Gropers" you are making a disparaging reference to those
who post from there, I don't think they are much of a problem anywhere.
At worst, Google Group users are a bit clueless but usually sincerely
want to cooperate and help. The real trolls and troublemakers almost
invariably post through other news services, use "real" newsreaders,
try real hard to disguise their identities, often using anonymous
remailer services.

The main damage Google does to Usenet is to harbor and abet spammers.
Those are separate breed, apart from the regular Groups user. Many
other news services, including the ones I use, manage to filter out the
spam without disturbing the "real" users. This solution works pretty
well for me. GG users are valuable contributors to some of the groups I
monitor and I wouldn't want them to be blocked, or if I do it wouldn't
be on the basis of their posting service and I'd do it myself.

I wish that Google did offer this group because I sometimes read Usenet
on my Android Tablet, and there's no decent newsreader for that
platform, so I'm forced to use GG.