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  #31  
Old May 18th 18, 10:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Paul wrote:
Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2018 07:49:55 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

I have many USB2 & USB3 going back 10+ years, and
now some are "socket specific" on my 10 YO
computer motherboard (some USB3s will work on some
sockets; even USB2 sockets) and not others.

Do these thumb drives last forever, or should
their contents be transferred to the latest USB
drives?


Theoretically, they should last a long time but a lot can destroy them
like moisture and a seemingly miniscule amount of bending. I'd
transfer their contents to more recent, faster USB keys.


They make USB devices for every occasion.


https://www.everythingusb.com/rugged-drives.html


"403 Forbidden
nginx"


https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Flash.../dp/B0136H5YUE


That reminds me of these https://www.amazon.com/Clocky-Origin.../dp/B000TAS9XQ ...
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Old May 18th 18, 10:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Frank Slootweg wrote:
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
"Peter Jason" wrote in message
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Do these thumb drives last forever, or should
their contents be transferred to the latest USB
drives?


I've replaced a grand total of '1' since USB thumb drives became available.
- the failure rate wasn't age...fell out of my shirt pocket into a can of
paint.


0 failures here. Same for memory cards, mostly (Micro)SD, but also
some SmartMedia ones.


I must have bad luck. I have had SanDisk 1 GB, tiny PNY, and a SP USB
flash drives died on me. The last two were killed when I was trying to
install Mac OS into them. They got very hot. I was told that was a very
bad idea.

However, my very old USB flash drives (no brand 64 MB and 128 MB) and
SanDisk 256 MB still work though!
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  #33  
Old May 18th 18, 10:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 18 May 2018 15:53:48 -0500, (Ant) wrote:


Every USB key I've ever owned has had that cheap plastic part which
allows you to keep it on a key chain break regardless of whether it
was on a key chain or not. Only this new metal Kingston one manages to
keep its shape. It's also a good 128GB and fast so I can't complain.
I'd recommend it to anyone.

Which model is that metal Kingston USB flash drive? I hate it when they
put on their cover caps! That's a stupid spot to put if the drive fall
out. Who cares about the caps. :P


I don't know the model but its face says DTSE9 G2. Of course, the
writing is barely visible. It's a Kingston and it's a metal casing.


Ah,
https://www.kingston.com/us/usb/pers...siness/dtse9g2 ... I had
a similiar one from SP brand like this
https://www.silicon-power.com/web/product-Mobile_C80 but a smaller size.
They got hot. Does Kingston get hot too after long usage?


I have several HP 8gb devices, metal cases, and NO keyring hole at
all.

I also have a Lexar 128 GB USB3 device that is the size of a USB Mouse
receiver, so clearly also NO keyring hole. Hell, IT is barely big
enough to grab hold of when trying to remove it!



  #34  
Old May 18th 18, 11:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Ant wrote:
Paul wrote:
Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2018 07:49:55 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

I have many USB2 & USB3 going back 10+ years, and
now some are "socket specific" on my 10 YO
computer motherboard (some USB3s will work on some
sockets; even USB2 sockets) and not others.

Do these thumb drives last forever, or should
their contents be transferred to the latest USB
drives?
Theoretically, they should last a long time but a lot can destroy them
like moisture and a seemingly miniscule amount of bending. I'd
transfer their contents to more recent, faster USB keys.


They make USB devices for every occasion.


https://www.everythingusb.com/rugged-drives.html


"403 Forbidden
nginx"


https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Flash.../dp/B0136H5YUE


That reminds me of these https://www.amazon.com/Clocky-Origin.../dp/B000TAS9XQ ...


Nginx does that, when a client isn't capable of
completing https protocol properly. A poster boy
for this, is dslreports, which should throw a 403
for you as well. Some sites, if you attempt to use
http, they switch to https and try and reload the page.

http://www.dslreports.com/faq/15439

*******

If you use a slightly better browser, this will work.

https://www.everythingusb.com/rugged-drives.html

And a part of this behavior, is ensuring your web browser
is modern enough, to play all the advertising flawlessly.
Profit.

Paul
  #35  
Old May 19th 18, 10:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default USB thumb drives.

"Paul" wrote in message
news
wasbit wrote:
"Jason" wrote in message
...
In article ,
lid says...
nothing lasts forever, but the good ones should last a very long time.
unfortunately, some are not particularly good, possibly counterfeit.

A friend and former colleague is a very experienced EE who
works independently as a software and circuit designer and
also writes technical articles on computer topics for
magazines that you and I probably read (and journal
articles we probably don't...). I have asked him the same
questions about these gadgets. His response: "To a first
approximation ALL such devices on eBay are counterfeit."

Be careful. Buy them from places like Newegg or Frys.


I have a 1TB thumb drive, bought me as a present at a cost of £10
(13.5$).
Considering its price, I was dubious as to its capacity.
Windows shows it as 917GB with 489GB used & 428GB free space.
The 489GB was the most I could scrape together & took nearly a day to
write to the drive.


You can use fsutil to make a test file on your source
drive for testing. Now, watch in amazement, how
(assuming this fits on the remaining space on C: ),
the file takes no time at all to create. If you
use the 7ZIP right-click CRC32 hash calculator,
you'll be able to read this file off your C: drive
at 800MB/sec (even though the storage device might
be capable of much less).

fsutil file createnew C:\users\wasbit\Downloads\big.bin 900000000000

The source drive should be NTFS for this. Once the file is created
on the source drive, *now*, use File Explorer to copy it to
the target device, and then the real testing
will begin.

This allows crafting precisely sized test files.

The source file (big.bin) is likely "sparse" and the file
is technically filled with zeros. This doesn't
matter to the destination drive though, which
will have to do the usual amount of work (as
Windows isn't smart enough to preserve a sparse
file during copy, and expands the fake contents
as needed). Sparse files can be made very quickly.
Sparse files take the normal amount of time to copy
(copy will be limited by the destination write rate).

*******

I would be interested in the brand and model number
of this mythically large (13.5$) storage devices. Was
the brand Godzilla or Mothra ? Did it come
from the ocean ? Was it angry ?


I've requested info on the flash drive. Its similar to this one
-
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2TB-1TB-Swi....c100009.m1982


Device Manager shows:

Generic Flash Disk USB Device

USBSTOR\DiskGeneric_Flash_Disk______8.00
USBSTOR\DiskGeneric_Flash_Disk______
USBSTOR\DiskGeneric_
USBSTOR\Generic_Flash_Disk______8
Generic_Flash_Disk______8
USBSTOR\GenDisk
GenDisk

Event Info 2017.03.20

Device USBSTOR\Disk&Ven_Generic&Prod_Flash_Disk&Rev_8.00\ EB541BB0&0 was
configured.

Driver Name: disk.inf
Class Guid: {4D36E967-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Driver Date: 06/21/2006
Driver Version: 6.3.9600.18203
Driver Provider: Microsoft
Driver Section: disk_install.NT
Driver Rank: 0xFF0006
Matching Device Id: GenDisk
Outranked Drivers: disk.inf:GenDisk:00FF2002
Device Updated: false

Could only create a 37GB bin file on C:\ but managed to create a 372GB bin
file on D:\
37GB bin file would take an estimated 90 minutes to copy so at that rate it
should take 15 hours for the larger file.

7Zip calculated checksum at 1373-1379 MB/sec.

Thanks Paul. Don't know what I've done but enjoyed playing.

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  #36  
Old May 19th 18, 10:38 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default USB thumb drives.

wasbit wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message
news
wasbit wrote:
"Jason" wrote in message
...
In article ,
lid says...
nothing lasts forever, but the good ones should last a very long time.
unfortunately, some are not particularly good, possibly counterfeit.

A friend and former colleague is a very experienced EE who
works independently as a software and circuit designer and
also writes technical articles on computer topics for
magazines that you and I probably read (and journal
articles we probably don't...). I have asked him the same
questions about these gadgets. His response: "To a first
approximation ALL such devices on eBay are counterfeit."

Be careful. Buy them from places like Newegg or Frys.

I have a 1TB thumb drive, bought me as a present at a cost of £10
(13.5$).
Considering its price, I was dubious as to its capacity.
Windows shows it as 917GB with 489GB used & 428GB free space.
The 489GB was the most I could scrape together & took nearly a day to
write to the drive.


You can use fsutil to make a test file on your source
drive for testing. Now, watch in amazement, how
(assuming this fits on the remaining space on C: ),
the file takes no time at all to create. If you
use the 7ZIP right-click CRC32 hash calculator,
you'll be able to read this file off your C: drive
at 800MB/sec (even though the storage device might
be capable of much less).

fsutil file createnew C:\users\wasbit\Downloads\big.bin 900000000000

The source drive should be NTFS for this. Once the file is created
on the source drive, *now*, use File Explorer to copy it to
the target device, and then the real testing
will begin.

This allows crafting precisely sized test files.

The source file (big.bin) is likely "sparse" and the file
is technically filled with zeros. This doesn't
matter to the destination drive though, which
will have to do the usual amount of work (as
Windows isn't smart enough to preserve a sparse
file during copy, and expands the fake contents
as needed). Sparse files can be made very quickly.
Sparse files take the normal amount of time to copy
(copy will be limited by the destination write rate).

*******

I would be interested in the brand and model number
of this mythically large (13.5$) storage devices. Was
the brand Godzilla or Mothra ? Did it come
from the ocean ? Was it angry ?


I've requested info on the flash drive. Its similar to this one
-
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2TB-1TB-Swi....c100009.m1982



Device Manager shows:

Generic Flash Disk USB Device

USBSTOR\DiskGeneric_Flash_Disk______8.00
USBSTOR\DiskGeneric_Flash_Disk______
USBSTOR\DiskGeneric_
USBSTOR\Generic_Flash_Disk______8
Generic_Flash_Disk______8
USBSTOR\GenDisk
GenDisk

Event Info 2017.03.20

Device USBSTOR\Disk&Ven_Generic&Prod_Flash_Disk&Rev_8.00\ EB541BB0&0 was
configured.

Driver Name: disk.inf
Class Guid: {4D36E967-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Driver Date: 06/21/2006
Driver Version: 6.3.9600.18203
Driver Provider: Microsoft
Driver Section: disk_install.NT
Driver Rank: 0xFF0006
Matching Device Id: GenDisk
Outranked Drivers: disk.inf:GenDisk:00FF2002
Device Updated: false

Could only create a 37GB bin file on C:\ but managed to create a 372GB
bin file on D:\
37GB bin file would take an estimated 90 minutes to copy so at that rate
it should take 15 hours for the larger file.

7Zip calculated checksum at 1373-1379 MB/sec.

Thanks Paul. Don't know what I've done but enjoyed playing.


Check out the reviews here. Quite variable results.

https://www.amazon.ca/Flash-Drive-Me...ews/B01KOFOUCO

The seller might be selling "two terabit" sticks, but so far,
nobody has demonstrated operation at that size either (i.e. it's
a 256GB stick).

Time to collect some of these. The objective of these, is to
detect aliasing automatically, without wasting a lot of your time.
One tool actually tries to read the flash chip ID, which I think
is pretty cool.

https://www.raymond.cc/blog/test-and...-with-h2testw/

Paul
  #38  
Old May 19th 18, 04:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"wasbit" wrote:

I have a 1TB thumb drive, bought me as a present at a cost of £10 (13.5$).
Considering its price, I was dubious as to its capacity.
Windows shows it as 917GB


Geez, I didn't know they came that big! 1TB would be in decimal
figures (10**12), 917GB would be in binary (2** 30 is one GB
(1,073,741,824), times 917 is somewhere around 1 trillion. Just like
hard drives.

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  #40  
Old May 19th 18, 08:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Tim Slattery wrote:
"wasbit" wrote:

I have a 1TB thumb drive, bought me as a present at a cost of £10 (13.5$).
Considering its price, I was dubious as to its capacity.
Windows shows it as 917GB


Geez, I didn't know they came that big! 1TB would be in decimal
figures (10**12), 917GB would be in binary (2** 30 is one GB
(1,073,741,824), times 917 is somewhere around 1 trillion. Just like
hard drives.


It's not the big, it's the cheap that matters.

A 2TB drive here, is $650.00, versus the $13 for the
proposed USB stick. A factor of fifty in price. And
according to the article text, these chips only go
into vertically oriented designs, with the Samsung
name on the packaging (not in third-party USB sticks).

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12408...2tb-ssd-review

In that example, strings of bits are arranged in vertical
strings defined by the layer count. The die is full of
holes, plated up, to make a three-dimensional storage device.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_...#Vertical_NAND

That Samsung chip uses 64 layer dies (512gbit total), with 16 dies
stacked on top of one another to give a 1TByte chip. Those chips
would not fit inside a USB stick, neither would there be room for
much else in there. And the stick would likely overheat on
read/write :-) (The power on one of the write tests, was up
around 10-11W.)

That 2TB M.2 is actually single sided. I couldn't believe it.
The 4TB one is probably a double-sided design.

Paul
  #41  
Old May 19th 18, 11:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Ant wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2018 14:45:42 -0700, wrote:



I have several HP 8gb devices, metal cases, and NO keyring hole at
all.

I also have a Lexar 128 GB USB3 device that is the size of a USB Mouse
receiver, so clearly also NO keyring hole. Hell, IT is barely big
enough to grab hold of when trying to remove it!



I have one even smaller. It's completely flat, perhaps 1/16 of an inch
thick, and about the size of a small postage stamp. If I remember
correctly, it's 64KB. I got it as a distribution of a piece of
software.


64 KB?!?!


http://www.eweek.com/storage/1987-to...hes-nand-flash

1991: Toshiba Launches First NAND-Type EEPROM

Toshiba announced in 1991 that it had developed the world's
first 4M bit NAND-type electrically erasable programmable
read-only memory (EEPROM). This moves along the development
of NAND flash substantially.

[So that's 512KB right there, at the start]

Then, the Wikipedia USB article says:

(USB) Designed January 1996; 22 years ago

Finally, back to the Eweek

2000: First USB Flash Drive Goes to Market

Trek Technology and IBM began selling the first USB flash drives
commercially in 2000.

https://www.newyorker.com/tech/eleme...he-flash-drive

Trek 2000 International, a Singaporean company, was the first to
actually sell a USB flash drive, which it called the ThumbDrive, in
early 2000. (It won the trademark for ThumbDrive, which has come
to be a generic term for the devices, only a few years ago.)

Apparently that's in the 8MB era. But I cannot find a single
English sentence confirming that. You'd think there would at
least be one picture of the Trek Stick, if it was the first.

*******

The value might be 64MB.

They did make some crappy USB devices where the contacts
were printed on a piece of cardboard. The ones of those
I've received, I wouldn't *dare* shove those into a
computer connector :-) Think of the smoke and such :-)

Paul
  #43  
Old May 20th 18, 01:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 17 May 2018 10:11:25 +0100, default wrote:

On Thu, 17 May 2018 07:49:55 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

I have many USB2 & USB3 going back 10+ years, and
now some are "socket specific" on my 10 YO
computer motherboard (some USB3s will work on some
sockets; even USB2 sockets) and not others.

Do these thumb drives last forever, or should
their contents be transferred to the latest USB
drives?


The number of write cycles determines the life. Many manufacturers
specify 10,000. If that's true, the life expectancy is not likely to
be exceeded in normal use, like storing files or using it to transfer
files from one device to another.

That said, the use to which flash memory is put can also determine
it's life expectancy. If, for instance, it is used in a data-logger,
back-ups, or recording system where the data is re-written or
written-over in the course of normal usage.


Microsoft allow you to use them to expand your system RAM. I guess that would wear them out ****ing quickly.

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  #44  
Old May 20th 18, 01:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 17 May 2018 14:12:54 +0100, Doomsdrzej wrote:

On Thu, 17 May 2018 07:49:55 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

I have many USB2 & USB3 going back 10+ years, and
now some are "socket specific" on my 10 YO
computer motherboard (some USB3s will work on some
sockets; even USB2 sockets) and not others.

Do these thumb drives last forever, or should
their contents be transferred to the latest USB
drives?


Theoretically, they should last a long time but a lot can destroy them
like moisture and a seemingly miniscule amount of bending. I'd
transfer their contents to more recent, faster USB keys.


I was given one that was stood upon by a 15 stone man. The data was not recoverable.

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  #45  
Old May 20th 18, 01:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife
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On Thu, 17 May 2018 20:22:14 +0100, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

"Peter Jason" wrote in message
...

Do these thumb drives last forever, or should
their contents be transferred to the latest USB
drives?


I've replaced a grand total of '1' since USB thumb drives became available.
- the failure rate wasn't age...fell out of my shirt pocket into a can of
paint.

Did have another one, an ancient Memorex 1GB drive where the drive assembly
detached from the plastic casing
- a few tiny drops of Gorilla glue applied with a toothpick and tiny C-clamp
for a few hours fixed(it).
*Still working as a USB for Acronis True Image 2017 Boot Media


I was recently given a 256MB (Megabytes!!!) drive by my neighbour and asked to download the entire Harry Potter series onto it. I burst out laughing when they said they'd just bought it brand new from a local shop. The shop is run by Pakis, so that's why....

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