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What's the deal with Win 8.1 ?
I thought it was supposed to bring back the option for the classic type GUI.
Saw my first Win8.1 machine today and it looks the same as Win8 |
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What's the deal with Win 8.1 ?
On 01/19/2014 10:39 AM, philo wrote:
I thought it was supposed to bring back the option for the classic type GUI. Saw my first Win8.1 machine today and it looks the same as Win8 The desktop is still there, windows key+D I think switches to the desktop, and there is an option to boot to the desktop now. And you can put shortcuts on the desktop as in win7 and use that desktop GUI all you want. Just like win7 Now instead of 'classical GUI', if you mean classical start menu, no it is just a button to toggle between desktop and modern start menu. As reported by others many times there are 3 other prominent 3rd party start menus that resolve that hole, and each is pretty good with minor differences. |
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What's the deal with Win 8.1 ?
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 09:39:23 -0600, philo* wrote:
I thought it was supposed to bring back the option for the classic type GUI. Saw my first Win8.1 machine today and it looks the same as Win8 http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-boot-to-desktop-in-windows-8.1-instead-of-start-screen/ Not satisfied? Then you can always try Classic Shell (freeware) or Start8 ($4.99). -- s|b |
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What's the deal with Win 8.1 ?
On 01/19/2014 10:11 AM, Big_Al wrote:
On 01/19/2014 10:39 AM, philo wrote: I thought it was supposed to bring back the option for the classic type GUI. Saw my first Win8.1 machine today and it looks the same as Win8 The desktop is still there, windows key+D I think switches to the desktop, and there is an option to boot to the desktop now. And you can put shortcuts on the desktop as in win7 and use that desktop GUI all you want. Just like win7 Now instead of 'classical GUI', if you mean classical start menu, no it is just a button to toggle between desktop and modern start menu. As reported by others many times there are 3 other prominent 3rd party start menus that resolve that hole, and each is pretty good with minor differences. Yes I have been installing Classic Shell on all the Win8 machines I get... or advising the users to do so. The evaluation version of Win8 had a simple registry hack to do so but was eliminated with the released version. |
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What's the deal with Win 8.1 ?
On 01/19/2014 10:27 AM, s|b wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 09:39:23 -0600, philo wrote: I thought it was supposed to bring back the option for the classic type GUI. Saw my first Win8.1 machine today and it looks the same as Win8 http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-boot-to-desktop-in-windows-8.1-instead-of-start-screen/ Not satisfied? Then you can always try Classic Shell (freeware) or Start8 ($4.99). yep I've been using Classic Shell and thanks for that link |
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What's the deal with Win 8.1 ?
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 10:29:35 -0600, philo* wrote:
As reported by others many times there are 3 other prominent 3rd party start menus that resolve that hole, and each is pretty good with minor differences. Yes I have been installing Classic Shell on all the Win8 machines I get... or advising the users to do so. The evaluation version of Win8 had a simple registry hack to do so but was eliminated with the released version. So what are you moaning about now? |
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What's the deal with Win 8.1 ?
On 01/19/2014 11:27 AM, s|b wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 09:39:23 -0600, philo wrote: I thought it was supposed to bring back the option for the classic type GUI. Saw my first Win8.1 machine today and it looks the same as Win8 http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-boot-to-desktop-in-windows-8.1-instead-of-start-screen/ Not satisfied? Then you can always try Classic Shell (freeware) or Start8 ($4.99). http://www.startisback.com/ Start is back, is the 3rd and it's only $2.99 So none of these menu replacements are a back breaker!! |
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What's the deal with Win 8.1 ?
On 1/19/2014 10:39 AM, philo wrote:
I thought it was supposed to bring back the option for the classic type GUI. Saw my first Win8.1 machine today and it looks the same as Win8 Windows 8.1 can be made into a usable computer. If you are going to Windows 8.1 the first thing you need to do is to get a good mouse. I tried to use the touch pad as I did in my old Windows XP computer, but found that all kinds of things were popping out when I did not want them. I suspect the touch screen is equally frustrating, though I have not used one. Once you get your new system the first thing you want to do is click the desktop Icon, right click in the toolbar, and select Properties. In the navigation Tab Click When "I sigh on .... go to the desktop" You can also select a couple of other nice things. There is one thing that you will like and that is the Jump list. You can place all of your programs in the tool bar at the bottom of the Desktop. When you click a program on the tool bar it is highlighted, for each incidence of that program that is open, a shadow is created on that icon. To open a different incidence of the program click on a different shadows. In the Jump List Tab, I have clicked "Store and display recent opened items" This gives you a list of files recently opened by that program. You can pin frequently used programs or files to the jump list. Make sure you have the save Jump list parameter set. Since all of the programs you use can be placed on the Desktop toolbar, you do not need access to the programs in the old start menu. There is one other nice feature with the Window 8.1 desktop. That is the MS Icon in the lower left corner to the Desktop screen. As I mention earlier all of the programs which you use to find here are gone, BUT you can place those programs you use on the desktop toolbar where they are actually easier to access. When you right click this MS icon, you have access to all of the operating system functions, including the shut down, restart, etc functions that I used the old start button for most. From the MS Icon you can access the control panel, power manager, device manager, Task manager, disk manager, network functions, etc. Once you access these item the presentation is not nearly as nice as in the old Windows XP 7, and in some ways more difficult to use, but these are not things you must access ever 10 minutes. I am taking this time because with all of the floating Icons with advertisements, I was dead set against Windows 8.1. Then my computer died and I had to upgrade as Windows XP was no longer available. It has taken me several months to make Windows 8.1 a useable system |
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What's the deal with Win 8.1 ?
On 01/19/2014 12:21 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 1/19/2014 10:39 AM, philo wrote: I thought it was supposed to bring back the option for the classic type GUI. Saw my first Win8.1 machine today and it looks the same as Win8 Windows 8.1 can be made into a usable computer. If you are going to Windows 8.1 the first thing you need to do is to get a good mouse. I tried to use the touch pad as I did in my old Windows XP computer, but found that all kinds of things were popping out when I did not want them. I suspect the touch screen is equally frustrating, though I have not used one. Once you get your new system the first thing you want to do is click the desktop Icon, right click in the toolbar, and select Properties. In the navigation Tab Click When "I sigh on .... go to the desktop" You can also select a couple of other nice things. There is one thing that you will like and that is the Jump list. You can place all of your programs in the tool bar at the bottom of the Desktop. When you click a program on the tool bar it is highlighted, for each incidence of that program that is open, a shadow is created on that icon. To open a different incidence of the program click on a different shadows. In the Jump List Tab, I have clicked "Store and display recent opened items" This gives you a list of files recently opened by that program. You can pin frequently used programs or files to the jump list. Make sure you have the save Jump list parameter set. Since all of the programs you use can be placed on the Desktop toolbar, you do not need access to the programs in the old start menu. There is one other nice feature with the Window 8.1 desktop. That is the MS Icon in the lower left corner to the Desktop screen. As I mention earlier all of the programs which you use to find here are gone, BUT you can place those programs you use on the desktop toolbar where they are actually easier to access. When you right click this MS icon, you have access to all of the operating system functions, including the shut down, restart, etc functions that I used the old start button for most. From the MS Icon you can access the control panel, power manager, device manager, Task manager, disk manager, network functions, etc. Once you access these item the presentation is not nearly as nice as in the old Windows XP 7, and in some ways more difficult to use, but these are not things you must access ever 10 minutes. I am taking this time because with all of the floating Icons with advertisements, I was dead set against Windows 8.1. Then my computer died and I had to upgrade as Windows XP was no longer available. It has taken me several months to make Windows 8.1 a useable system Thanks for the info. So sad that MS makes it so much work. I think Classic Shell is a good way to go |
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What's the deal with Win 8.1 ?
s|b has written on 1/19/2014 11:27 AM:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 09:39:23 -0600, philo wrote: I thought it was supposed to bring back the option for the classic type GUI. Saw my first Win8.1 machine today and it looks the same as Win8 http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-boot-to-desktop-in-windows-8.1-instead-of-start-screen/ If you already have configured Win 8 to boot to desktop and have already installed a Start Button/Menu program, what will happen if you upgrade to 8.1? IOW, should you back out those changes before upgrading? |
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What's the deal with Win 8.1 ?
On 1/19/2014 1:24 PM, philo wrote:
On 01/19/2014 12:21 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 1/19/2014 10:39 AM, philo wrote: I thought it was supposed to bring back the option for the classic type GUI. Saw my first Win8.1 machine today and it looks the same as Win8 Windows 8.1 can be made into a usable computer. If you are going to Windows 8.1 the first thing you need to do is to get a good mouse. I tried to use the touch pad as I did in my old Windows XP computer, but found that all kinds of things were popping out when I did not want them. I suspect the touch screen is equally frustrating, though I have not used one. Once you get your new system the first thing you want to do is click the desktop Icon, right click in the toolbar, and select Properties. In the navigation Tab Click When "I sigh on .... go to the desktop" You can also select a couple of other nice things. There is one thing that you will like and that is the Jump list. You can place all of your programs in the tool bar at the bottom of the Desktop. When you click a program on the tool bar it is highlighted, for each incidence of that program that is open, a shadow is created on that icon. To open a different incidence of the program click on a different shadows. In the Jump List Tab, I have clicked "Store and display recent opened items" This gives you a list of files recently opened by that program. You can pin frequently used programs or files to the jump list. Make sure you have the save Jump list parameter set. Since all of the programs you use can be placed on the Desktop toolbar, you do not need access to the programs in the old start menu. There is one other nice feature with the Window 8.1 desktop. That is the MS Icon in the lower left corner to the Desktop screen. As I mention earlier all of the programs which you use to find here are gone, BUT you can place those programs you use on the desktop toolbar where they are actually easier to access. When you right click this MS icon, you have access to all of the operating system functions, including the shut down, restart, etc functions that I used the old start button for most. From the MS Icon you can access the control panel, power manager, device manager, Task manager, disk manager, network functions, etc. Once you access these item the presentation is not nearly as nice as in the old Windows XP 7, and in some ways more difficult to use, but these are not things you must access ever 10 minutes. I am taking this time because with all of the floating Icons with advertisements, I was dead set against Windows 8.1. Then my computer died and I had to upgrade as Windows XP was no longer available. It has taken me several months to make Windows 8.1 a useable system Thanks for the info. So sad that MS makes it so much work. I think Classic Shell is a good way to go The work is all summarized in those paragraph. There is really only one change that must be made and that is all in the Properties of the right click menu on the Desktop toolbar. Sooner or later the Classic Shell and similar programs will disappear. So you might as will bit the bullet, and go with the new OS. Like I said it is not as bad as it appears or is made out to be. It actually has things that are an improvement. |
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What's the deal with Win 8.1 ?
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 14:00:20 -0500, Juan Wei wrote:
If you already have configured Win 8 to boot to desktop and have already installed a Start Button/Menu program, what will happen if you upgrade to 8.1? IOW, should you back out those changes before upgrading? I configured 8.1 only once (at not for myself; I use W7), but my guess would be that it wouldn't make any difference. You could always create a backup image (Macrium Reflect has a free version) before upgrading to 8.1... -- s|b |
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On 19 Jan 2014, philo* wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8: I thought it was supposed to bring back the option for the classic type GUI. You have been suffering under a misconception. Nobody ever said that. Saw my first Win8.1 machine today and it looks the same as Win8 Yes. You do now have the option of booting up to the classic desktop, rather than the new Start screen. |
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On 01/19/2014 01:21 PM, s|b wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 14:00:20 -0500, Juan Wei wrote: If you already have configured Win 8 to boot to desktop and have already installed a Start Button/Menu program, what will happen if you upgrade to 8.1? IOW, should you back out those changes before upgrading? I configured 8.1 only once (at not for myself; I use W7), but my guess would be that it wouldn't make any difference. You could always create a backup image (Macrium Reflect has a free version) before upgrading to 8.1... I'm just fooling with it in a virtual machine simply to gain familiarity thanks |
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Keith Nuttle typed: On 1/19/2014 10:39 AM, philo wrote: I thought it was supposed to bring back the option for the classic type GUI. Saw my first Win8.1 machine today and it looks the same as Win8 Windows 8.1 can be made into a usable computer. If you are going to Windows 8.1 the first thing you need to do is to get a good mouse. I tried to use the touch pad as I did in my old Windows XP computer, but found that all kinds of things were popping out when I did not want them. I suspect the touch screen is equally frustrating, though I have not used one. I don't find a mouse, touchpad, or touch to be frustrating under Windows 8. Once you get your new system the first thing you want to do is click the desktop Icon, right click in the toolbar, and select Properties. In the navigation Tab Click When "I sigh on .... go to the desktop" You can also select a couple of other nice things. There is one thing that you will like and that is the Jump list. You can place all of your programs in the tool bar at the bottom of the Desktop. When you click a program on the tool bar it is highlighted, for each incidence of that program that is open, a shadow is created on that icon. To open a different incidence of the program click on a different shadows. In the Jump List Tab, I have clicked "Store and display recent opened items" This gives you a list of files recently opened by that program. You can pin frequently used programs or files to the jump list. Make sure you have the save Jump list parameter set. Since all of the programs you use can be placed on the Desktop toolbar, you do not need access to the programs in the old start menu. Windows 7 does the very same thing. And you can also do this with Windows 7 Start Menu. And speaking about Start Menu, I hardly used them for about the last 5 years or so. As I have been mainly using those launch bar utilities. They are like a second Taskbar, but has all of your favorite programs usually sorted by category. [...] I am taking this time because with all of the floating Icons with advertisements, I was dead set against Windows 8.1. Then my computer died and I had to upgrade as Windows XP was no longer available. It has taken me several months to make Windows 8.1 a useable system I have found brand new machines running XP still sealed in the box on eBay. In fact, I recently bought a Motion Computer LE1700 Tablet brand new still in an unopened box that runs XP. It wasn't this one I am on now, but it is just like it. -- Bill Motion Computing LE1700 Tablet ('09 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core2 Duo L7400 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005 SP2 |
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