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June 2nd 18, 12:10 AM
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Compare two old Windows 10 desktops with a benchmark
I just picked up two old Windows 10 desktops as spares, from two different
friends, one of which I'll use myself, and the other I'll give to another family member. I'm having trouble deciding what's important between them, where there isn't an easy apples-to-apples comparison I can make. The only easy comparison is the RAM, where I've never added RAM so let's assume they will stay the way they are on RAM (to make the comparison of what exists now). Other than RAM, I'm not sure how to compare the two desktops. Therefore, I ask - is there an easy to use benchmark I can run that will compare the basics of the tower (just the basics - not anything fancy) so I can make a decent main choice between the two desktops? On specs, I guess the basics are from Win10 "system information, right? (1) Desktop 1 system information is Processor=AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 810 Processor, 2600 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s) BIOS Version/Date=American Megatrends Inc. 5.02, 8/30/2009 16.0 GB (2) Desktop 2 system information is Processor=Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8400 @ 2.66GHz, 2667 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s) BIOS Version/Date=Award Software International, Inc. F7, 11/23/2009 Installed Physical Memory (RAM)=6.00 GB Physically, looking at the graphic ports (1) Desktop 1 has a graphics card with VGA, DVI-I dual, & HDMI. (2) Desktop 2 has a graphics card with DVI-I dual, HTMI, & TV Both have a DVD burner, and roughly the same amount of disk space, and I can swap monitors between them so I'm only looking at the tower capability. I wasn't sure how to tell what all the cards were, so after searching, I ran something called Belarc Advisor, which reported (1) Desktop 1 Display = NVIDIA GeForce 210 NVIDIA High Definition Audio (4x) Realtek High Definition Audio (2) Desktop 2 Display = NVIDIA GeForce 8500GT High Definition Audio Device Philips SAA713X, Hybrid Capture Device I'm having trouble deciding what's important between them, where they "feel" similar in speeds but I haven't run any benchmarks because I don't know of a quick and easy benchmark for general use. What advice would you give me to choose which is the better. 
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June 2nd 18, 01:38 AM
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Arlen Holder wrote:
I just picked up two old Windows 10 desktops as spares, from two different friends, one of which I'll use myself, and the other I'll give to another family member. I'm having trouble deciding what's important between them, where there isn't an easy apples-to-apples comparison I can make. The only easy comparison is the RAM, where I've never added RAM so let's assume they will stay the way they are on RAM (to make the comparison of what exists now). Other than RAM, I'm not sure how to compare the two desktops. Therefore, I ask - is there an easy to use benchmark I can run that will compare the basics of the tower (just the basics - not anything fancy) so I can make a decent main choice between the two desktops? On specs, I guess the basics are from Win10 "system information, right? (1) Desktop 1 system information is Processor=AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 810 Processor, 2600 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s) BIOS Version/Date=American Megatrends Inc. 5.02, 8/30/2009 16.0 GB (2) Desktop 2 system information is Processor=Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8400 @ 2.66GHz, 2667 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s) BIOS Version/Date=Award Software International, Inc. F7, 11/23/2009 Installed Physical Memory (RAM)=6.00 GB Physically, looking at the graphic ports (1) Desktop 1 has a graphics card with VGA, DVI-I dual, & HDMI. (2) Desktop 2 has a graphics card with DVI-I dual, HTMI, & TV Both have a DVD burner, and roughly the same amount of disk space, and I can swap monitors between them so I'm only looking at the tower capability. I wasn't sure how to tell what all the cards were, so after searching, I ran something called Belarc Advisor, which reported (1) Desktop 1 Display = NVIDIA GeForce 210 NVIDIA High Definition Audio (4x) Realtek High Definition Audio (2) Desktop 2 Display = NVIDIA GeForce 8500GT High Definition Audio Device Philips SAA713X, Hybrid Capture Device I'm having trouble deciding what's important between them, where they "feel" similar in speeds but I haven't run any benchmarks because I don't know of a quick and easy benchmark for general use. What advice would you give me to choose which is the better. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php AMD Phenom II X4 810 Passmark=3130 Intel Core2 Quad Q8400 @ 2.66GHz Passmark=3179 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html AMD Phenom II X4 810 Passmark= 906 Intel Core2 Quad Q8400 @ 2.66GHz Passmark=1,122 https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php GeForce 210 Passmark G3D = 174 GeForce 8500 GT Passmark G3D = 137 The main benefit of the 210 graphics card, might be that it supports a newer shader standard or something. The Q8400 should feel slightly fast, as a lot of desktop stuff is single threaded, so the 1,122 is perhaps the more significant measure of system feel. The difference isn't all that big though. I'm surprised there's a Windows 10 driver for the 8500GT. The Geforce 210 is newer, and might still have a chance of having at least one driver. The 8500 GT could end up using the Basic Display Adapter driver (VESA) and be stuck in 1024x768 mode. The screen geometry (circles become ovals) might be off a bit, and text could be fuzzy. Paul
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June 2nd 18, 09:28 AM
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 23:10:27 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote: I just picked up two old Windows 10 desktops as spares, from two different friends, one of which I'll use myself, and the other I'll give to another family member. I'm having trouble deciding what's important between them, where there isn't an easy apples-to-apples comparison I can make. The only easy comparison is the RAM, where I've never added RAM so let's assume they will stay the way they are on RAM (to make the comparison of what exists now). Other than RAM, I'm not sure how to compare the two desktops. Therefore, I ask - is there an easy to use benchmark I can run that will compare the basics of the tower (just the basics - not anything fancy) so I can make a decent main choice between the two desktops? On specs, I guess the basics are from Win10 "system information, right? (1) Desktop 1 system information is Processor=AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 810 Processor, 2600 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s) BIOS Version/Date=American Megatrends Inc. 5.02, 8/30/2009 16.0 GB (2) Desktop 2 system information is Processor=Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8400 @ 2.66GHz, 2667 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s) BIOS Version/Date=Award Software International, Inc. F7, 11/23/2009 Installed Physical Memory (RAM)=6.00 GB Physically, looking at the graphic ports (1) Desktop 1 has a graphics card with VGA, DVI-I dual, & HDMI. (2) Desktop 2 has a graphics card with DVI-I dual, HTMI, & TV Both have a DVD burner, and roughly the same amount of disk space, and I can swap monitors between them so I'm only looking at the tower capability. I wasn't sure how to tell what all the cards were, so after searching, I ran something called Belarc Advisor, which reported (1) Desktop 1 Display = NVIDIA GeForce 210 NVIDIA High Definition Audio (4x) Realtek High Definition Audio (2) Desktop 2 Display = NVIDIA GeForce 8500GT High Definition Audio Device Philips SAA713X, Hybrid Capture Device I'm having trouble deciding what's important between them, where they "feel" similar in speeds but I haven't run any benchmarks because I don't know of a quick and easy benchmark for general use. What advice would you give me to choose which is the better. Geekbench 2.4. My dual quad core 2009 apple computer gives 16,000. My i7 quad core laptop gives 7,500.
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June 2nd 18, 02:19 PM
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Compare two old Windows 10 desktops with a benchmark
On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 23:10:27 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote: I just picked up two old Windows 10 desktops as spares, from two different friends, one of which I'll use myself, and the other I'll give to another family member. I'm having trouble deciding what's important between them, where there isn't an easy apples-to-apples comparison I can make. The only easy comparison is the RAM, where I've never added RAM so let's assume they will stay the way they are on RAM (to make the comparison of what exists now). Other than RAM, I'm not sure how to compare the two desktops. Therefore, I ask - is there an easy to use benchmark I can run that will compare the basics of the tower (just the basics - not anything fancy) so I can make a decent main choice between the two desktops? On specs, I guess the basics are from Win10 "system information, right? (1) Desktop 1 system information is Processor=AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 810 Processor, 2600 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s) BIOS Version/Date=American Megatrends Inc. 5.02, 8/30/2009 16.0 GB (2) Desktop 2 system information is Processor=Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8400 @ 2.66GHz, 2667 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s) BIOS Version/Date=Award Software International, Inc. F7, 11/23/2009 Installed Physical Memory (RAM)=6.00 GB Physically, looking at the graphic ports (1) Desktop 1 has a graphics card with VGA, DVI-I dual, & HDMI. (2) Desktop 2 has a graphics card with DVI-I dual, HTMI, & TV Both have a DVD burner, and roughly the same amount of disk space, and I can swap monitors between them so I'm only looking at the tower capability. I wasn't sure how to tell what all the cards were, so after searching, I ran something called Belarc Advisor, which reported (1) Desktop 1 Display = NVIDIA GeForce 210 NVIDIA High Definition Audio (4x) Realtek High Definition Audio (2) Desktop 2 Display = NVIDIA GeForce 8500GT High Definition Audio Device Philips SAA713X, Hybrid Capture Device I'm having trouble deciding what's important between them, where they "feel" similar in speeds but I haven't run any benchmarks because I don't know of a quick and easy benchmark for general use. What advice would you give me to choose which is the better. Both have outdated GPUs but it seems to me that the Phenom has more RAM. That, alone, is a reason to choose it. I believe the Core 2 Quad is slightly faster than the Phenom though but the performance differences are marginal whereas the additional RAM will be greatly appreciated.
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June 2nd 18, 03:13 PM
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"oOze" wrote in message ... On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 23:10:27 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote: I just picked up two old Windows 10 desktops as spares, from two different friends, one of which I'll use myself, and the other I'll give to another family member. I'm having trouble deciding what's important between them, where there isn't an easy apples-to-apples comparison I can make. The only easy comparison is the RAM, where I've never added RAM so let's assume they will stay the way they are on RAM (to make the comparison of what exists now). Other than RAM, I'm not sure how to compare the two desktops. Therefore, I ask - is there an easy to use benchmark I can run that will compare the basics of the tower (just the basics - not anything fancy) so I can make a decent main choice between the two desktops? On specs, I guess the basics are from Win10 "system information, right? (1) Desktop 1 system information is Processor=AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 810 Processor, 2600 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s) BIOS Version/Date=American Megatrends Inc. 5.02, 8/30/2009 16.0 GB (2) Desktop 2 system information is Processor=Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8400 @ 2.66GHz, 2667 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s) BIOS Version/Date=Award Software International, Inc. F7, 11/23/2009 Installed Physical Memory (RAM)=6.00 GB Physically, looking at the graphic ports (1) Desktop 1 has a graphics card with VGA, DVI-I dual, & HDMI. (2) Desktop 2 has a graphics card with DVI-I dual, HTMI, & TV Both have a DVD burner, and roughly the same amount of disk space, and I can swap monitors between them so I'm only looking at the tower capability. I wasn't sure how to tell what all the cards were, so after searching, I ran something called Belarc Advisor, which reported (1) Desktop 1 Display = NVIDIA GeForce 210 NVIDIA High Definition Audio (4x) Realtek High Definition Audio (2) Desktop 2 Display = NVIDIA GeForce 8500GT High Definition Audio Device Philips SAA713X, Hybrid Capture Device I'm having trouble deciding what's important between them, where they "feel" similar in speeds but I haven't run any benchmarks because I don't know of a quick and easy benchmark for general use. What advice would you give me to choose which is the better. Both have outdated GPUs but it seems to me that the Phenom has more RAM. That, alone, is a reason to choose it. I believe the Core 2 Quad is slightly faster than the Phenom though but the performance differences are marginal whereas the additional RAM will be greatly appreciated. +1. And add to that the newer GPU (even if not brand new), the AMD wins for me. Both GPU drivers available are 342.01 12/14/2016 (WHQL certified for Win10), so if he's up to swapping them around, it might be worth the little effort it would take to compare them running whatever graphic requirements he has. -- SC Tom
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June 2nd 18, 07:22 PM
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 20:38:22 -0400, Paul wrote:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php AMD Phenom II X4 810 Passmark=3130 Intel Core2 Quad Q8400 @ 2.66GHz Passmark=3179 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html AMD Phenom II X4 810 Passmark= 906 Intel Core2 Quad Q8400 @ 2.66GHz Passmark=1,122 https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php GeForce 210 Passmark G3D = 174 GeForce 8500 GT Passmark G3D = 137 My original question was seeking a free commonly compared benchmark that I could run on my own desktops, so I hadn't even thought about comparing the basic online benchmarks for the naked CPU and graphics cards, so thank you very much for that new and different idea! From those numbers alone that you provided, the two desktops seem roughly about the same, which I guess explains why my butt meter can't feel any difference either. I agree with your astute assessments, which is why I asked here, and so I thank you for helping to explain why you thought each thing you said! I'm surprised there's a Windows 10 driver for the 8500GT. The Geforce 210 is newer, and might still have a chance of having at least one driver. The device manager says the driver is dated 6/29/2015 from Nvidia, driver version 9.18.13.4174d the driver is located in C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\ which I didn't create. http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_nvidia0.jpg That means Windows 10 must have created that driver. http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?i...nvidia1362.jpg The desktop has a new build straight off the Window 10 1803 ISO. http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?i...nvidia2929.jpg Does that mean that Microsoft has a cache of the native Nvidia drivers? (Or did I somehow get them from Nvidia through a Microsoft channel?) http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?i..._nvidia121.jpg
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June 2nd 18, 08:32 PM
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Arlen Holder wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 20:38:22 -0400, Paul wrote: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php AMD Phenom II X4 810 Passmark=3130 Intel Core2 Quad Q8400 @ 2.66GHz Passmark=3179 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html AMD Phenom II X4 810 Passmark= 906 Intel Core2 Quad Q8400 @ 2.66GHz Passmark=1,122 https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php GeForce 210 Passmark G3D = 174 GeForce 8500 GT Passmark G3D = 137 My original question was seeking a free commonly compared benchmark that I could run on my own desktops, so I hadn't even thought about comparing the basic online benchmarks for the naked CPU and graphics cards, so thank you very much for that new and different idea! From those numbers alone that you provided, the two desktops seem roughly about the same, which I guess explains why my butt meter can't feel any difference either. I agree with your astute assessments, which is why I asked here, and so I thank you for helping to explain why you thought each thing you said! I'm surprised there's a Windows 10 driver for the 8500GT. The Geforce 210 is newer, and might still have a chance of having at least one driver. The device manager says the driver is dated 6/29/2015 from Nvidia, driver version 9.18.13.4174d the driver is located in C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\ which I didn't create. http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_nvidia0.jpg That means Windows 10 must have created that driver. http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?i...nvidia1362.jpg The desktop has a new build straight off the Window 10 1803 ISO. http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?i...nvidia2929.jpg Does that mean that Microsoft has a cache of the native Nvidia drivers? (Or did I somehow get them from Nvidia through a Microsoft channel?) http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?i..._nvidia121.jpg When I upgrade my Windows 10, on a machine with an HD6450, the OS keeps using the existing driver. There was one AMD Crimson driver for my card, and support was supposed to stop after that. It seems to be the same driver each time (and it wasn't originally installed by Microsoft). On the 10240 release, Microsoft provided a CCC based driver, which kept throwing errors. I located the Crimson CCC2 driver some time after that, installed it, and the errors stopped coming from the driver. And 17034 today is still using that CCC2 driver (1440x900 resolution). Paul
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June 7th 18, 02:07 AM
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 18:28:55 +1000, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
Geekbench 2.4. My dual quad core 2009 apple computer gives 16,000. My i7 quad core laptop gives 7,500. Thanks for the suggestion of Geekbench 4 as the standard PC benchmarker. https://geekbench.com/download/windows/ The results show that they're about the same in performance. That's probably why I don't "feel" a seat-of-the-pants difference. Computer1 AMD Phenom II X4 810 Processor, 2600 Mhz, 4 Cores, 4 Processors 16GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 210 Computer2 Intel Core2 Quad CPU Q8400 @2.66GHz, 2667 Mhz, 4 Cores, 4 Processors 6GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 8500GT The trial-mode "Run CPU Benchmark" took under 4 minutes. Computer1: 1700 (single core), 5050 (multi-core) Computer2: 1700 (single core), 4995 (multi-core) The trial-mode "Run Compute Benchmark" also took under 4 minutes. Computer1: OpenCL Score 2450 Computer2: No compatible compute devices found http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_gpu.jpg I think I have the answer to two of my questions: 1) What is a good benchmarker? Answer = geekbench4 2) How do the two computers compare? Answer = They're about the same. What's left only is this bit of confusing detail on the GPU. Both desktops have separate graphics card so I'm not sure why computer2 seems to think it doesn't have a GPU?????
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June 7th 18, 08:38 AM
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Arlen Holder wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 18:28:55 +1000, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: Geekbench 2.4. My dual quad core 2009 apple computer gives 16,000. My i7 quad core laptop gives 7,500. Thanks for the suggestion of Geekbench 4 as the standard PC benchmarker. https://geekbench.com/download/windows/ The results show that they're about the same in performance. That's probably why I don't "feel" a seat-of-the-pants difference. Computer1 AMD Phenom II X4 810 Processor, 2600 Mhz, 4 Cores, 4 Processors 16GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 210 Computer2 Intel Core2 Quad CPU Q8400 @2.66GHz, 2667 Mhz, 4 Cores, 4 Processors 6GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 8500GT The trial-mode "Run CPU Benchmark" took under 4 minutes. Computer1: 1700 (single core), 5050 (multi-core) Computer2: 1700 (single core), 4995 (multi-core) The trial-mode "Run Compute Benchmark" also took under 4 minutes. Computer1: OpenCL Score 2450 Computer2: No compatible compute devices found http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_gpu.jpg I think I have the answer to two of my questions: 1) What is a good benchmarker? Answer = geekbench4 2) How do the two computers compare? Answer = They're about the same. What's left only is this bit of confusing detail on the GPU. Both desktops have separate graphics card so I'm not sure why computer2 seems to think it doesn't have a GPU????? What does windows think it's running GPU wise? Does the motherboard include a graphics chip and is it disabled in the bios?
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