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Old July 4th 15, 09:29 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Laptop (from a friend) with Win8 (not 8.1). Harddisk is 750 GB (GPT).
With Disk Management I shrinked the C: and created a new data-partition.
Everything works fine.
With a boot-cdrom I want to make an "Acronis True Image" image from the
C: on the new data partition.
I first get a warning :
"Alternate GPT is invalid, using primary GPT".
ATI continues, but when I hit the option to backup I get the message :
"Disk 2 - unsupported".
There is only 1 disk in the system (besides the boot-cd), but Disk
Management also shows a disk0 of 10,28 GB (marked as MBR) :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...Management.jpg
The physical harddisk is disk1.
It's a Dutch installation ; I guess "sluimerstandpartitie" means
something like "hibernation partition" (???).

Anyone an idea???
Thank you very much!

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but not simpler" (Albert Einstein).
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Old July 4th 15, 12:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Keith Nuttle
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Default Acronis problem with GPT disk

On 7/4/2015 4:29 AM, Carpe Diem wrote:
Laptop (from a friend) with Win8 (not 8.1). Harddisk is 750 GB (GPT).
With Disk Management I shrinked the C: and created a new data-partition.
Everything works fine.
With a boot-cdrom I want to make an "Acronis True Image" image from the
C: on the new data partition.
I first get a warning :
"Alternate GPT is invalid, using primary GPT".
ATI continues, but when I hit the option to backup I get the message :
"Disk 2 - unsupported".
There is only 1 disk in the system (besides the boot-cd), but Disk
Management also shows a disk0 of 10,28 GB (marked as MBR) :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...Management.jpg
The physical harddisk is disk1.
It's a Dutch installation ; I guess "sluimerstandpartitie" means
something like "hibernation partition" (???).

Anyone an idea???
Thank you very much!

I think before you make the image, you would be much happier with
Windows 8 if you update to Windows 8.1. WIndows 8 was unuseable, the
update to 8.1 make this OS a useable OS and an evolutionary change from
Windows XP and 7.
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Old July 4th 15, 01:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Keith Nuttle schreef op 4/07/2015 om 13:42:
I think before you make the image, you would be much happier with
Windows 8 if you update to Windows 8.1. WIndows 8 was unuseable, the
update to 8.1 make this OS a useable OS and an evolutionary change from
Windows XP and 7.


It definitly is his intention to go to 8.1, but before that, he wanted
me to make an image (for safety reasons), which doesn't work...

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Old July 4th 15, 02:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 7/4/2015 7:34 AM, Carpe Diem wrote:
Keith Nuttle schreef op 4/07/2015 om 13:42:
I think before you make the image, you would be much happier with
Windows 8 if you update to Windows 8.1. WIndows 8 was unuseable, the
update to 8.1 make this OS a useable OS and an evolutionary change from
Windows XP and 7.


It definitly is his intention to go to 8.1, but before that, he wanted
me to make an image (for safety reasons), which doesn't work...

Here is a short blurb about Acronis from their web site.

(!) GPT disks are supported by Acronis True Image 2014 itself. Dynamic
disks support is available only in Acronis True Image 2014 Premium.

Which brings up the question, which version of Acronis are they trying
to use? From the above note it appears that it must be the Premium
version and at least the 2014 version at that in order to handle GPT
with partition(s).

Might want to check out EasUS web site as it sounds like it will do what
you want if the Acronis program is the wrong version or they don't want
to upgrade the program.

http://www.todo-backup.com/products/...-partition.htm
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Old July 4th 15, 03:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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GlowingBlueMist schreef op 4/07/2015 om 15:51:

(!) GPT disks are supported by Acronis True Image 2014 itself. Dynamic
disks support is available only in Acronis True Image 2014 Premium.

Which brings up the question, which version of Acronis are they trying
to use? From the above note it appears that it must be the Premium
version and at least the 2014 version at that in order to handle GPT
with partition(s).

Might want to check out EasUS web site as it sounds like it will do what
you want if the Acronis program is the wrong version or they don't want
to upgrade the program.

http://www.todo-backup.com/products/...-partition.htm


We tried both ATI 2014 and 2015.
It is NOT the Premium, but as it is not a dynamic disk, that cannot be
the problem.
I made at least 2 times an ATI image with version 2014 without any
problem, on 2 different computers. However, that was Win 8.1 and not Win 8.
I'll suggest to update to 8.1 tomorrow but I do not think that this is
the real problem.

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Old July 4th 15, 04:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Carpe Diem wrote:
Laptop (from a friend) with Win8 (not 8.1). Harddisk is 750 GB (GPT).
With Disk Management I shrinked the C: and created a new data-partition.
Everything works fine.
With a boot-cdrom I want to make an "Acronis True Image" image from the
C: on the new data partition.
I first get a warning :
"Alternate GPT is invalid, using primary GPT".
ATI continues, but when I hit the option to backup I get the message :
"Disk 2 - unsupported".
There is only 1 disk in the system (besides the boot-cd), but Disk
Management also shows a disk0 of 10,28 GB (marked as MBR) :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...Management.jpg
The physical harddisk is disk1.
It's a Dutch installation ; I guess "sluimerstandpartitie" means
something like "hibernation partition" (???).

Anyone an idea???
Thank you very much!


You should be looking in device manager, for "pseudo-devices".

Acronis themselves like this concept. And have a virtual bus
type node in Device Manager, with their driver running the show.

Acronis Capacity Manager, has the capability to turn a physical
disk, into a physical + virtual disk.

You should have a look in Device Manager (devmgmt.msc) for
anything "out of the ordinary".

While it could be a physical device, like a Flash chip soldered
to the motherboard, some Device Manager investigation may shine more
light on the situation.

Paul
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Old July 4th 15, 07:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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Default Acronis problem with GPT disk

On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 07:42:40 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 7/4/2015 4:29 AM, Carpe Diem wrote:
Laptop (from a friend) with Win8 (not 8.1). Harddisk is 750 GB (GPT).
With Disk Management I shrinked the C: and created a new data-partition.
Everything works fine.
With a boot-cdrom I want to make an "Acronis True Image" image from the
C: on the new data partition.
I first get a warning :
"Alternate GPT is invalid, using primary GPT".
ATI continues, but when I hit the option to backup I get the message :
"Disk 2 - unsupported".
There is only 1 disk in the system (besides the boot-cd), but Disk
Management also shows a disk0 of 10,28 GB (marked as MBR) :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...Management.jpg
The physical harddisk is disk1.
It's a Dutch installation ; I guess "sluimerstandpartitie" means
something like "hibernation partition" (???).

Anyone an idea???
Thank you very much!

I think before you make the image, you would be much happier with
Windows 8 if you update to Windows 8.1. WIndows 8 was unuseable, the
update to 8.1 make this OS a useable OS and an evolutionary change from
Windows XP and 7.


If you use something like Classic Shell or one of its cousins, (and who
wouldn't, right?), then 8.0 and 8.1 are virtually indistinguishable from one
another.

I agree with the OP, 8.0 versus 8.1 doesn't seem like the primary culprit. I
would try an alternative to Acronis, such as Macrium or EaseUS.

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Old July 4th 15, 08:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Char Jackson schreef op 4/07/2015 om 20:57:

I agree with the OP, 8.0 versus 8.1 doesn't seem like the primary culprit. I
would try an alternative to Acronis, such as Macrium or EaseUS.


I found out that, in the UEFI-BIOS, the SATA setting is set to RAID and
not AHCI! How is this possible, as there is only 1 disk?
When I change the setting to AHCI, the system crashes.

My friend remembers that there is a little flash memory in the laptop
(20 GB???), a bit like an SSD drive, but not really a second drive.
I am afraid that Acronis True Image cannot handle such a RAID system.
Could Macrium or EaseUS do the trick?

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but not simpler" (Albert Einstein).
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Old July 4th 15, 09:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Carpe Diem wrote:
Char Jackson schreef op 4/07/2015 om 20:57:

I agree with the OP, 8.0 versus 8.1 doesn't seem like the primary
culprit. I
would try an alternative to Acronis, such as Macrium or EaseUS.


I found out that, in the UEFI-BIOS, the SATA setting is set to RAID and
not AHCI! How is this possible, as there is only 1 disk?
When I change the setting to AHCI, the system crashes.

My friend remembers that there is a little flash memory in the laptop
(20 GB???), a bit like an SSD drive, but not really a second drive.
I am afraid that Acronis True Image cannot handle such a RAID system.
Could Macrium or EaseUS do the trick?


There is one scheme, which is like an SSHD. The Flash is
used as a cache, and holds frequently used files. This
helps speed up boot. Either the Flash can respond on
a read, or the hard drive does. If the flash memory
chip does not have the file of interest, it is up
to the hard drive to provide the file.

The first one was called Robson.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing...-performance/3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Turbo_Memory

Now, those were 4GB max.

But a later generation used 20GB of SLC flash.
It's called Smart Response Technology. The Z68 probably
has some mobile analogous device.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4329/i...ching-review/3

SRT uses RST RAID driver when an OS is running. And
the feature ROM code in the BIOS, allows the first
responding device (20GB flash or hard drive), to answer
BIOS Extended Int 0x13 read requests.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/24882...h nology.html

Acronis kind of leaves it to your imagination, as
to the level of RAID support on their recovery media
(boot CD).

https://kb.acronis.com/content/11681

They apparently have something called a Plus Pack,
with WinPE in it, which would be part of constructing
recovery media. But I don't know if that helps matters
or not.

Macrium uses WinPE too. On the free version, support
for network shares is left to your imagination. I have
no idea whether Macrium handles SRT/SRT in WinPE or not.
It would likely be a paid version, where you don't
have to build a WinPE disk manually and all by yourself.

While in the past, I've made light of the WinPE version
(WinPE 3 download the same as WinPE 5 download), one
difference would be the built-in hardware support. For
example, as a base, WinPE 5 is likely to have USB3 support.
Windows had "IASTORV" as a built-in Intel RAID driver,
but the name of the driver has changed with time, and
is called something else now (STORPORT??? not sure).
So WinPE 5 might have some base level of support
for Intel RAID. Not sure if it is the RST driver though.

You will have earned your pay, if you get this running...

Paul
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Old July 5th 15, 07:18 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Paul schreef op 4/07/2015 om 22:53:
..................

You will have earned your pay, if you get this running...

Paul


Thank you very much for this explanation, Paul!


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Old July 5th 15, 11:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Carpe Diem wrote:

My friend remembers that there is a little flash memory in the laptop
(20 GB???), a bit like an SSD drive, but not really a second drive.
I am afraid that Acronis True Image cannot handle such a RAID system.
Could Macrium or EaseUS do the trick?


I use Windows 8 (with Classic Shell). I use Macrium to make images to a
USB3 external drive and also to a USB3 thumb drive. Both are bootable, BTW,
but IIRC Macrium needs them (or a small partition) to be FAT32 (for the
booting, not writing).



 




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