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  #46  
Old November 25th 14, 09:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup

lew wrote:
On 2014-11-25, ...winston??? wrote:

.............lots skipped...........


Maybe someone with an OEM unit will attempt the Linux based MSDM route.
- and actually verify it shows all Product Key digits and not just the
last 5.

Office 2013 retail comes with a product key (no media, download only,
Click to Run Install). The included Product Key in the retail package is
a key with the right to download and install (creation of a MSFT account
is necessary too). If one wishes to find 'their' installed product
key, it is not the one in the package, but the one available in their
Microsoft account.




Does this mean that the OEM computers will NEVER get a bios updated?


I'm sure they can solve that. If they can figure out a way to
preserve NIC and Firewire MAC addresses, they can figure out a
way to keep the key from one flash to the next.

Paul
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  #47  
Old November 25th 14, 09:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup

On 25/11/2014 12:03, Roderick Stewart wrote:
Keyfinder is another one. I'd offer the same advice to anyone
considering replacing *any* Windows installation, particularly of
unknown provenance. The installed key *should* match the one on the
sticker, but even if the sticker is actually readable, you can't
guarantee the printed code is the one relating to what's installed.

Rod.


Have you bought a windows 8.X that came with a sticker? I have bought 5
machines and none of them came with a sticker. As far as I know you
don't get a serial number with OEM these days. Everything is is planted
in the OEM chip. why they are doing it this way is something I will
leave it for your imagination.

Nirsoft can get you the serial number but I am not sure if it works with
official download link of Windows from Microsoft website. I haven't
tried it but I expect to test it out over the Christmas when I try to
upgrade my old Windows 7 machine. It may or may not work but worth a
try for hands-on experience.



  #48  
Old November 26th 14, 05:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
...winston‫
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup

Caver1 wrote:
On 11/25/2014 01:09 AM, "...winston‫" wrote:
Paul wrote:
HS wrote:


BenSmith wrote:
"HS" escreveu na mensagem
...

I downloaded the iso file of windows 8.1 from microsoft and it has
the
latest
November update. I did a clean reinstall of win 8.1.

............................................

Create installation media for Windows 8.1

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media


...........................................

Some people bought OEM Windows 8 preinstalled on machine. In this case
and using the above link, how do you do a reinstall without serial
key?



I would first "recover" the product key with a program like Magic
Jelly Bean
and store it is a very safe place before doing a fresh installation

https://www.magicaljellybean.com/

I have also used ProduKey

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html

Try both for a peace of mind


HS

If the discussion is about Windows 8 OEM, you need a different
recipe than MagicJellyBean... Something I picked up in some
thread here, only a couple days ago. the new detail, was
with respect to where the key is stored. Now, maybe the key
is obtainable both ways, but at least this gives a way to
get it, without a working Windows running on the computer.

*******
1- Download and create a Linux Live CD, Linux Mint or Ubuntu for example
2 - launch it
3- open the console called Terminal
4- type: ls /sys/firmware/acpi/tables , it will shows you if you have a
MSDM table
5- then type: sudo hd /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/MSDM

the license will shows up on the right of the output.

Then now you can use it to install Win8.xx
*******

Now, while that is interesting, another data point is,
that a Windows 8 Retail install (of matching install type),
will automatically activate when presented with the BIOS key.
So while you can extract the key from MSDM, it may not
even be necessary to have the key in hand. You would
likely need to match Core with Core, or Pro with Pro, so
if your OEM machine came with Core (a.k.a Home), then
you'd likely want to be attempting to install a retail
one similar to that, so it will activate without
complaint. Maybe a universal DVD (with ei.cfg removed)
could be used for the installation. An MSDN subscription
image (via Torrent), could give you materials for
several different flavors of after-market install.

For other OEM OSes (Windows 7 or earlier), they are BIOS
SLIC activated. But there isn't a unique key in there.
The key that goes with SLIC is a "bulk" key of some sort.
The key printed on the COA is a different key, and is
a unique value per machine (Windows 7 machines have a COA,
Windows 8 machines do not). And even with MagicJellyBean,
you have to remember what you're extracting. The "bulk" key
would not be of any use to you, whereas someone who
reinstalled the OS and inserted the COA key, that key
would be reusable if extracted with the Magic. So if the
user did an install based on COA, did phone activation
when prompted, later the COA sticker got scratched up,
the MagicJellyBean can help in that case.

I don't have a Win8 OEM machine here, so I don't have the
materials to verify the new MSDM info. I'm surprised the
key isn't encrypted.

HTH,
Paul



Maybe someone with an OEM unit will attempt the Linux based MSDM route.
- and actually verify it shows all Product Key digits and not just the
last 5.

Office 2013 retail comes with a product key (no media, download only,
Click to Run Install). The included Product Key in the retail package is
a key with the right to download and install (creation of a MSFT account
is necessary too). If one wishes to find 'their' installed product
key, it is not the one in the package, but the one available in their
Microsoft account.




Belarc does more then just show you your product key. OEM or retail.

Belarc reveals the last 5 digits of the Office 2013 Product key...the
prior grouping of digits is *not* stored on the machine. It is in your
MSFT account (that was necessary to be created to download Office 2013,
no media is provided with Office 2013 Click to Run software). As noted
in the prior reply, the product key in the Office 2013 retail packaging
is only a key that provides the right to download the software, not an
install key. (the key is a temporarily place holder to obtain the
software, the installer removes all digits of the real product key
except the last five - the only place the full key exists is in your
Microsoft Account.

Summary
- product key in Office 2013 package or provided via online purchase is
a key to download the software
- installer uses the real product key to install [1]
- the Office installer removes everything except the last 5 digits.
- real Office 2013 key is in your MSFT account (same location for
downloading current/future)
- Keep your MSFT account username/pw in a safe place and don't lose it

[1] Exception - MSDN subscribers with Office plans get retail media (iso
to create media and product keys)

Note: Understand the above advice, Windows may very well follow the same
route (no media, product key not on machine - only online in MSFT
account) in the future. g

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  #49  
Old November 26th 14, 07:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Caver1
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup

On 11/25/2014 11:58 PM, "...winston‫" wrote:
Caver1 wrote:
On 11/25/2014 01:09 AM, "...winston‫" wrote:
Paul wrote:
HS wrote:


BenSmith wrote:
"HS" escreveu na mensagem
...

I downloaded the iso file of windows 8.1 from microsoft and it has
the
latest
November update. I did a clean reinstall of win 8.1.

............................................

Create installation media for Windows 8.1

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media


...........................................

Some people bought OEM Windows 8 preinstalled on machine. In this case
and using the above link, how do you do a reinstall without serial
key?



I would first "recover" the product key with a program like Magic
Jelly Bean
and store it is a very safe place before doing a fresh installation

https://www.magicaljellybean.com/

I have also used ProduKey

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html

Try both for a peace of mind


HS

If the discussion is about Windows 8 OEM, you need a different
recipe than MagicJellyBean... Something I picked up in some
thread here, only a couple days ago. the new detail, was
with respect to where the key is stored. Now, maybe the key
is obtainable both ways, but at least this gives a way to
get it, without a working Windows running on the computer.

*******
1- Download and create a Linux Live CD, Linux Mint or Ubuntu for example
2 - launch it
3- open the console called Terminal
4- type: ls /sys/firmware/acpi/tables , it will shows you if you have a
MSDM table
5- then type: sudo hd /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/MSDM

the license will shows up on the right of the output.

Then now you can use it to install Win8.xx
*******

Now, while that is interesting, another data point is,
that a Windows 8 Retail install (of matching install type),
will automatically activate when presented with the BIOS key.
So while you can extract the key from MSDM, it may not
even be necessary to have the key in hand. You would
likely need to match Core with Core, or Pro with Pro, so
if your OEM machine came with Core (a.k.a Home), then
you'd likely want to be attempting to install a retail
one similar to that, so it will activate without
complaint. Maybe a universal DVD (with ei.cfg removed)
could be used for the installation. An MSDN subscription
image (via Torrent), could give you materials for
several different flavors of after-market install.

For other OEM OSes (Windows 7 or earlier), they are BIOS
SLIC activated. But there isn't a unique key in there.
The key that goes with SLIC is a "bulk" key of some sort.
The key printed on the COA is a different key, and is
a unique value per machine (Windows 7 machines have a COA,
Windows 8 machines do not). And even with MagicJellyBean,
you have to remember what you're extracting. The "bulk" key
would not be of any use to you, whereas someone who
reinstalled the OS and inserted the COA key, that key
would be reusable if extracted with the Magic. So if the
user did an install based on COA, did phone activation
when prompted, later the COA sticker got scratched up,
the MagicJellyBean can help in that case.

I don't have a Win8 OEM machine here, so I don't have the
materials to verify the new MSDM info. I'm surprised the
key isn't encrypted.

HTH,
Paul



Maybe someone with an OEM unit will attempt the Linux based MSDM route.
- and actually verify it shows all Product Key digits and not just the
last 5.

Office 2013 retail comes with a product key (no media, download only,
Click to Run Install). The included Product Key in the retail package is
a key with the right to download and install (creation of a MSFT account
is necessary too). If one wishes to find 'their' installed product
key, it is not the one in the package, but the one available in their
Microsoft account.




Belarc does more then just show you your product key. OEM or retail.

Belarc reveals the last 5 digits of the Office 2013 Product key...the
prior grouping of digits is *not* stored on the machine. It is in your
MSFT account (that was necessary to be created to download Office 2013,
no media is provided with Office 2013 Click to Run software). As noted
in the prior reply, the product key in the Office 2013 retail packaging
is only a key that provides the right to download the software, not an
install key. (the key is a temporarily place holder to obtain the
software, the installer removes all digits of the real product key
except the last five - the only place the full key exists is in your
Microsoft Account.



I was refering to the OS key as was being talked about in retrieving
keys for the OEM system. Just added another option.
Sorry I just inserted my reply at the wrong place. Belac does show the
complete OS key in 7 and 8/8.1.

Summary
- product key in Office 2013 package or provided via online purchase is
a key to download the software
- installer uses the real product key to install [1]
- the Office installer removes everything except the last 5 digits.
- real Office 2013 key is in your MSFT account (same location for
downloading current/future)
- Keep your MSFT account username/pw in a safe place and don't lose it

[1] Exception - MSDN subscribers with Office plans get retail media (iso
to create media and product keys)

Note: Understand the above advice, Windows may very well follow the same
route (no media, product key not on machine - only online in MSFT
account) in the future. g



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