Problems connecting to Windows.anything

Before I post anything specific, as I'm in a hurry at the moment, has
anyone been having trouble connecting to anything at MS?

I've got two laptops, one Toshiba and one Dell, w/ W7 Home Premium
installed. When I got to check updates, the bar just scrolls across,
and not a blinking light to be seen on the Toshiba, not sure at this
moment on the Dell.

On the Toshiba, trying to log into Microsoft.com locks up IE8. This is
a fresh install, so no opportunity to update IE.

Have not yet tried WSUS, never used it before.

No problems with microsoft.anything on my W7 desktop or my Mac.

Just wondering if I'm the only one.




--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 44.0
Thunderbird 38.0.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:
Before I post anything specific, as I'm in a hurry at the moment, has
anyone been having trouble connecting to anything at MS?

I've got two laptops, one Toshiba and one Dell, w/ W7 Home Premium
installed. When I got to check updates, the bar just scrolls across,
and not a blinking light to be seen on the Toshiba, not sure at this
moment on the Dell.

On the Toshiba, trying to log into Microsoft.com locks up IE8. This is
a fresh install, so no opportunity to update IE.

Have not yet tried WSUS, never used it before.

No problems with microsoft.anything on my W7 desktop or my Mac.

Just wondering if I'm the only one.

So you know there is an 80 minute delay for a freshly prepares
Win7 Sp1 install that is missing 208 updates ? That's the
wuauserv bug. Look in Task Manager. A "SVCHOST" will be running
a core at 100% for the next 80 minutes - then you'll finally
see some network activity, when the client actually
contacts Microsoft. It hasn't sent any packets... yet.
This is a client problem (e.g. your end), not a
server problem (Microsoft end).

Since you have the machine just sitting there, why not
just "whap in" one of those pseudo-SP2 things ?

I have a suspicion, once you chuck this into the machine,
install and reboot, the next visit to Windows Update will
take 3 minutes for the list of updates to appear. This has
been a discussion item, in a couple very recent threads
in this group. Note - to use the catalog server, you
need IE as your browser (for ActiveX), and ActiveX has
to be turned on (as some people turn it off).

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...ows-7-and-8-1/

Once you test this for us, you can present your
results. Did this work ? Did it give a "good
result" ? Or did you have regrets ?

Paul

Paul wrote:

Ken Springer wrote:

I've got two laptops, one Toshiba and one Dell, w/ W7 Home Premium
installed. When I got to check updates, the bar just scrolls across,
and not a blinking light to be seen on the Toshiba, not sure at this
moment on the Dell.

On the Toshiba, trying to log into Microsoft.com locks up IE8. This is
a fresh install, so no opportunity to update IE.

So you know there is an 80 minute delay for a freshly prepares Win7
Sp1 install that is missing 208 updates ? That's the wuauserv bug.
Look in Task Manager. A "SVCHOST" will be running a core at 100% for
the next 80 minutes - then you'll finally see some network activity,
when the client actually contacts Microsoft. It hasn't sent any
packets... yet. This is a client problem (e.g. your end), not a
server problem (Microsoft end).

Since you have the machine just sitting there, why not just "whap in"
one of those pseudo-SP2 things ?

If you look at winston's post titled "Windows 7 SP1 Rollup update", he
provides a link (also shown below) of where to get a download for most
updates released for Windows 7 since its release up to April 2016. From
what Microsoft says (remember that they were the ones that proliferated
this), the KB3035583 update (GWX lureware to Windows 10) is not
included. If true, the rollup would provide a handy means of getting up
to speed. Instead of waiting for the WU client to do anything (and when
it does it is slow to remain a background process), you download a file
and then install it.

I believe you must use IE to connect to the site *and* must have ActiveX
enabled (i.e., if you enabled the safety feature to disable AX, you'll
have to disable that to enable AX). That is because it will try to
download a new Microsoft Update activeX control to IE. I don't know if
there is a minimum version of IE needed to access that site's page.

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3125574
(You gave the blog URL in the part that I snipped which has the URL to
this catalog search page.)

When you visit that page and add an item to your "basket" (aka cart), it
is not clear what to do next. You click on the "View Basket" link to
then get a button to download the selected file(s).

I've downloaded the file but it will sit in storage pending whenever I
have to do a fresh build of Windows 7 again. Before that happens,
hopefully someone will disassemble the update to ensure the GWX one was
not snuck in by Microsoft.

That page presents me with 3 choices but all appear to point at the same
update (because it is, after all, a search): KB3125574.

Update for Windows 7 (KB3125574) - 316.0 MB
Update for Windows Server 2008 R2 x64 Edition (KB3125574) - 476.9 MB
Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3125574) - 476.9 MB

I picked the last one because it most closely matched that I am using
Windows 7 Home x64. I'm just storing it for now as I am up to date on
updates (sans GWX, some telemetry/spying updates, and those offered for
software that is NOT installed in my setup).

Microsoft is then going to come out with monthly rollups of updates. I
only check for updates once per month, anyway, but wait 2 weeks after
Patch Tuesday (or longer depending on when I have time to do an image
backup and have the time to review all updates before installing them).
I can then see if anyone has been having problems with one, or more, of
the newest updates. I doubt that I will bother with the monthly rollups
since I do want to review each offered update. I'd save little or no
time looking at the list of updates in a rollup and reviewing each of
those before installing the rollup.

I have a suspicion, once you chuck this into the machine, install and
reboot, the next visit to Windows Update will take 3 minutes for the
list of updates to appear.

I don't remember which update(s) were to change behavior in the WU
client and AUserv. They did improve how those work to make them quicker
and the WU process more responsive.

On 5/18/16 11:10 AM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
Before I post anything specific, as I'm in a hurry at the moment, has
anyone been having trouble connecting to anything at MS?

I've got two laptops, one Toshiba and one Dell, w/ W7 Home Premium
installed. When I got to check updates, the bar just scrolls across,
and not a blinking light to be seen on the Toshiba, not sure at this
moment on the Dell.

On the Toshiba, trying to log into Microsoft.com locks up IE8. This is
a fresh install, so no opportunity to update IE.

Have not yet tried WSUS, never used it before.

No problems with microsoft.anything on my W7 desktop or my Mac.

Just wondering if I'm the only one.

So you know there is an 80 minute delay for a freshly prepares
Win7 Sp1 install that is missing 208 updates ? That's the
wuauserv bug. Look in Task Manager. A "SVCHOST" will be running
a core at 100% for the next 80 minutes - then you'll finally
see some network activity, when the client actually
contacts Microsoft. It hasn't sent any packets... yet.
This is a client problem (e.g. your end), not a
server problem (Microsoft end).

I know about the "rash" of updates, though I usually get more than 208.
Didn't know it was a client issue and not an MS issue. Any way to
circumvent this delay at the beginning?

Since you have the machine just sitting there, why not
just "whap in" one of those pseudo-SP2 things ?

"Pseudo-SP" things??????? Are you bespeaking of the link to the Windows
Update Catalog below?

I have a suspicion, once you chuck this into the machine,
install and reboot, the next visit to Windows Update will
take 3 minutes for the list of updates to appear. This has
been a discussion item, in a couple very recent threads
in this group. Note - to use the catalog server, you
need IE as your browser (for ActiveX), and ActiveX has
to be turned on (as some people turn it off).

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...ows-7-and-8-1/

Once you test this for us, you can present your
results. Did this work ? Did it give a "good
result" ? Or did you have regrets ?

Hi, Paul,

As it stands right now...

Can MS actually do anything well????? I think not. Years ago, when DOS
was king, MS had the rep of "Their software works, it just doesn't work
well." Still my opinion of things.

I checked out a couple of the links.

I started with just the basic catalogue update site, as I'd been there
before. Oh, look at this.... It's only usable on XP and a couple
server versions! Why thanks, MS, it's so nice of you to let me download
update files for for a Windows user to help fix the Windows machine. NOT!

Fire up the old XP computer. Load the site. Search on Windows 7. (OH,
yeah, it's so nice to zero instructions on the page.) And find this
link is all the updates (I presume all) listed individually. 933 of
them, to be exact. Think there's a button to select all 933 with a
single click? Hell, no, that would be too customer friendly. Instead,
I have to pick 25 at a time. Finally get them all added to the basket,
and click on the basket to open it. Hah! IE has connection problems.
After clicking on Diagnose connection problems, I get a screen that says
there's nothing in my basket to download. But the cart says I have 933.
Say What?!?!?!

Well, maybe adding more virtual memory may affect this. Discover there
is none. My fault, I probably never set it up when I made the computer
dual boot. Created 4096 of virtual memory, rebooted, same result.

So, I tried selecting 1/2 of the update files. Same result.

OK, I've had enough of this! Even though the main page says XP and a
couple servers only, I'll try it on W7. Maybe the system will check and
magically add Windows 7.

Nope. Opening on W7 (different computer). and the page still says XP
and the two servers. I said "What the H***?" and tried moving forward.
WTF????? It works! Now, how many users w/ W7 simply believed the web
page and gave up? Nice going, MS!!

So, rather than go for all 933, I checked 100. There were no connection
problems, and I started downloading them. I'd say a third of them
download, and things just stopped. Let it just sit, and came back
later. Yea, some had download, and some had failed. That's a big help.
It was just sitting there, and finally another one started to
download. Wow. I must be back on dialup.

So, while it was trying to download, I decided to try the first link in
the article:
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3125574.

I used the Toshiba that won't update on it's own, and this is where I
probably should have gone in the first place. The jury is still out on
that, though.

Downloaded fine, and double clicked on the file. Sure enough, it runs,
says the installer will run, do something, I don't remember the exact
phrase.

It is now two hours later, and I'm still watching a window saying
searching for updates on this computer.

If I read/understand the article correctly, I may need to install
KB3020369. If true, then that fact should have been the first thing the
author typed on the keyboard, not a couple paragraphs down the page.
But, I don't think authors of pages like this know how to think like a
new user, and then put things in the order they need to be done.

It's a slow laptop, so will let it a little while longer. If it doesn't
work, I'll run KB3020369 and try again.

I'll let you know how it turns out.

--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 44.0
Thunderbird 38.0.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:
On 5/18/16 11:10 AM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
Before I post anything specific, as I'm in a hurry at the moment, has
anyone been having trouble connecting to anything at MS?

I've got two laptops, one Toshiba and one Dell, w/ W7 Home Premium
installed. When I got to check updates, the bar just scrolls across,
and not a blinking light to be seen on the Toshiba, not sure at this
moment on the Dell.

On the Toshiba, trying to log into Microsoft.com locks up IE8. This is
a fresh install, so no opportunity to update IE.

Have not yet tried WSUS, never used it before.

No problems with microsoft.anything on my W7 desktop or my Mac.

Just wondering if I'm the only one.

So you know there is an 80 minute delay for a freshly prepares
Win7 Sp1 install that is missing 208 updates ? That's the
wuauserv bug. Look in Task Manager. A "SVCHOST" will be running
a core at 100% for the next 80 minutes - then you'll finally
see some network activity, when the client actually
contacts Microsoft. It hasn't sent any packets... yet.
This is a client problem (e.g. your end), not a
server problem (Microsoft end).

I know about the "rash" of updates, though I usually get more than 208.
Didn't know it was a client issue and not an MS issue. Any way to
circumvent this delay at the beginning?

Since you have the machine just sitting there, why not
just "whap in" one of those pseudo-SP2 things ?

"Pseudo-SP" things??????? Are you bespeaking of the link to the Windows
Update Catalog below?

I have a suspicion, once you chuck this into the machine,
install and reboot, the next visit to Windows Update will
take 3 minutes for the list of updates to appear. This has
been a discussion item, in a couple very recent threads
in this group. Note - to use the catalog server, you
need IE as your browser (for ActiveX), and ActiveX has
to be turned on (as some people turn it off).

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...ows-7-and-8-1/


Once you test this for us, you can present your
results. Did this work ? Did it give a "good
result" ? Or did you have regrets ?

Hi, Paul,

As it stands right now...

Can MS actually do anything well????? I think not. Years ago, when DOS
was king, MS had the rep of "Their software works, it just doesn't work
well." Still my opinion of things.

I checked out a couple of the links.

I started with just the basic catalogue update site, as I'd been there
before. Oh, look at this.... It's only usable on XP and a couple
server versions! Why thanks, MS, it's so nice of you to let me download
update files for for a Windows user to help fix the Windows machine. NOT!

Fire up the old XP computer. Load the site. Search on Windows 7. (OH,
yeah, it's so nice to zero instructions on the page.) And find this
link is all the updates (I presume all) listed individually. 933 of
them, to be exact. Think there's a button to select all 933 with a
single click? Hell, no, that would be too customer friendly. Instead,
I have to pick 25 at a time. Finally get them all added to the basket,
and click on the basket to open it. Hah! IE has connection problems.
After clicking on Diagnose connection problems, I get a screen that says
there's nothing in my basket to download. But the cart says I have 933.
Say What?!?!?!

Well, maybe adding more virtual memory may affect this. Discover there
is none. My fault, I probably never set it up when I made the computer
dual boot. Created 4096 of virtual memory, rebooted, same result.

So, I tried selecting 1/2 of the update files. Same result.

OK, I've had enough of this! Even though the main page says XP and a
couple servers only, I'll try it on W7. Maybe the system will check and
magically add Windows 7.

Nope. Opening on W7 (different computer). and the page still says XP
and the two servers. I said "What the H***?" and tried moving forward.
WTF????? It works! Now, how many users w/ W7 simply believed the web
page and gave up? Nice going, MS!!

So, rather than go for all 933, I checked 100. There were no connection
problems, and I started downloading them. I'd say a third of them
download, and things just stopped. Let it just sit, and came back
later. Yea, some had download, and some had failed. That's a big help.
It was just sitting there, and finally another one started to
download. Wow. I must be back on dialup.

So, while it was trying to download, I decided to try the first link in
the article:
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3125574.

I used the Toshiba that won't update on it's own, and this is where I
probably should have gone in the first place. The jury is still out on
that, though.

Downloaded fine, and double clicked on the file. Sure enough, it runs,
says the installer will run, do something, I don't remember the exact
phrase.

It is now two hours later, and I'm still watching a window saying
searching for updates on this computer.

If I read/understand the article correctly, I may need to install
KB3020369. If true, then that fact should have been the first thing the
author typed on the keyboard, not a couple paragraphs down the page.
But, I don't think authors of pages like this know how to think like a
new user, and then put things in the order they need to be done.

It's a slow laptop, so will let it a little while longer. If it doesn't
work, I'll run KB3020369 and try again.

I'll let you know how it turns out.


I was trying to use KB3125574 rollup, on a fresh install that claims
to be missing 164 updates. And this is what I got. It would be a
shame if there was some set of updates that had to be installed,
before the rollup would work to bring the OS close-to-up-to-date.

http://s32.postimg.org/qruvjugxx/rollup.jpg

I tested two installs, a Win7SP1x64 Pro install, used for benchmark
testing. And a VM I installed just to test the rollup, which was
Home Premium.

Paul

On 5/18/16 7:26 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 5/18/16 11:10 AM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
Before I post anything specific, as I'm in a hurry at the moment, has
anyone been having trouble connecting to anything at MS?

I've got two laptops, one Toshiba and one Dell, w/ W7 Home Premium
installed. When I got to check updates, the bar just scrolls across,
and not a blinking light to be seen on the Toshiba, not sure at this
moment on the Dell.

On the Toshiba, trying to log into Microsoft.com locks up IE8. This is
a fresh install, so no opportunity to update IE.

Have not yet tried WSUS, never used it before.

No problems with microsoft.anything on my W7 desktop or my Mac.

Just wondering if I'm the only one.

So you know there is an 80 minute delay for a freshly prepares
Win7 Sp1 install that is missing 208 updates ? That's the
wuauserv bug. Look in Task Manager. A "SVCHOST" will be running
a core at 100% for the next 80 minutes - then you'll finally
see some network activity, when the client actually
contacts Microsoft. It hasn't sent any packets... yet.
This is a client problem (e.g. your end), not a
server problem (Microsoft end).

I know about the "rash" of updates, though I usually get more than 208.
Didn't know it was a client issue and not an MS issue. Any way to
circumvent this delay at the beginning?

Since you have the machine just sitting there, why not
just "whap in" one of those pseudo-SP2 things ?

"Pseudo-SP" things??????? Are you bespeaking of the link to the Windows
Update Catalog below?

I have a suspicion, once you chuck this into the machine,
install and reboot, the next visit to Windows Update will
take 3 minutes for the list of updates to appear. This has
been a discussion item, in a couple very recent threads
in this group. Note - to use the catalog server, you
need IE as your browser (for ActiveX), and ActiveX has
to be turned on (as some people turn it off).

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...ows-7-and-8-1/


Once you test this for us, you can present your
results. Did this work ? Did it give a "good
result" ? Or did you have regrets ?

Hi, Paul,

As it stands right now...

Can MS actually do anything well????? I think not. Years ago, when DOS
was king, MS had the rep of "Their software works, it just doesn't work
well." Still my opinion of things.

I checked out a couple of the links.

I started with just the basic catalogue update site, as I'd been there
before. Oh, look at this.... It's only usable on XP and a couple
server versions! Why thanks, MS, it's so nice of you to let me download
update files for for a Windows user to help fix the Windows machine. NOT!

Fire up the old XP computer. Load the site. Search on Windows 7. (OH,
yeah, it's so nice to zero instructions on the page.) And find this
link is all the updates (I presume all) listed individually. 933 of
them, to be exact. Think there's a button to select all 933 with a
single click? Hell, no, that would be too customer friendly. Instead,
I have to pick 25 at a time. Finally get them all added to the basket,
and click on the basket to open it. Hah! IE has connection problems.
After clicking on Diagnose connection problems, I get a screen that says
there's nothing in my basket to download. But the cart says I have 933.
Say What?!?!?!

Well, maybe adding more virtual memory may affect this. Discover there
is none. My fault, I probably never set it up when I made the computer
dual boot. Created 4096 of virtual memory, rebooted, same result.

So, I tried selecting 1/2 of the update files. Same result.

OK, I've had enough of this! Even though the main page says XP and a
couple servers only, I'll try it on W7. Maybe the system will check and
magically add Windows 7.

Nope. Opening on W7 (different computer). and the page still says XP
and the two servers. I said "What the H***?" and tried moving forward.
WTF????? It works! Now, how many users w/ W7 simply believed the web
page and gave up? Nice going, MS!!

So, rather than go for all 933, I checked 100. There were no connection
problems, and I started downloading them. I'd say a third of them
download, and things just stopped. Let it just sit, and came back
later. Yea, some had download, and some had failed. That's a big help.
It was just sitting there, and finally another one started to
download. Wow. I must be back on dialup.

So, while it was trying to download, I decided to try the first link in
the article:
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3125574.

I used the Toshiba that won't update on it's own, and this is where I
probably should have gone in the first place. The jury is still out on
that, though.

Downloaded fine, and double clicked on the file. Sure enough, it runs,
says the installer will run, do something, I don't remember the exact
phrase.

It is now two hours later, and I'm still watching a window saying
searching for updates on this computer.

If I read/understand the article correctly, I may need to install
KB3020369. If true, then that fact should have been the first thing the
author typed on the keyboard, not a couple paragraphs down the page.
But, I don't think authors of pages like this know how to think like a
new user, and then put things in the order they need to be done.

It's a slow laptop, so will let it a little while longer. If it doesn't
work, I'll run KB3020369 and try again.

I'll let you know how it turns out.


I was trying to use KB3125574 rollup, on a fresh install that claims
to be missing 164 updates. And this is what I got. It would be a
shame if there was some set of updates that had to be installed,
before the rollup would work to bring the OS close-to-up-to-date.

http://s32.postimg.org/qruvjugxx/rollup.jpg

I tested two installs, a Win7SP1x64 Pro install, used for benchmark
testing. And a VM I installed just to test the rollup, which was
Home Premium.

I got the same thing. :-( I'm going to let the normal update route run
all night, and see what I get in the morning.




--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 44.0
Thunderbird 38.0.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Wed, 18 May 2016 20:36:56 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 5/18/16 7:26 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 5/18/16 11:10 AM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
Before I post anything specific, as I'm in a hurry at the moment, has
anyone been having trouble connecting to anything at MS?

I've got two laptops, one Toshiba and one Dell, w/ W7 Home Premium
installed. When I got to check updates, the bar just scrolls across,
and not a blinking light to be seen on the Toshiba, not sure at this
moment on the Dell.

On the Toshiba, trying to log into Microsoft.com locks up IE8. This is
a fresh install, so no opportunity to update IE.

Have not yet tried WSUS, never used it before.

No problems with microsoft.anything on my W7 desktop or my Mac.

Just wondering if I'm the only one.

So you know there is an 80 minute delay for a freshly prepares
Win7 Sp1 install that is missing 208 updates ? That's the
wuauserv bug. Look in Task Manager. A "SVCHOST" will be running
a core at 100% for the next 80 minutes - then you'll finally
see some network activity, when the client actually
contacts Microsoft. It hasn't sent any packets... yet.
This is a client problem (e.g. your end), not a
server problem (Microsoft end).

I know about the "rash" of updates, though I usually get more than 208.
Didn't know it was a client issue and not an MS issue. Any way to
circumvent this delay at the beginning?

Since you have the machine just sitting there, why not
just "whap in" one of those pseudo-SP2 things ?

"Pseudo-SP" things??????? Are you bespeaking of the link to the Windows
Update Catalog below?

I have a suspicion, once you chuck this into the machine,
install and reboot, the next visit to Windows Update will
take 3 minutes for the list of updates to appear. This has
been a discussion item, in a couple very recent threads
in this group. Note - to use the catalog server, you
need IE as your browser (for ActiveX), and ActiveX has
to be turned on (as some people turn it off).

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...ows-7-and-8-1/


Once you test this for us, you can present your
results. Did this work ? Did it give a "good
result" ? Or did you have regrets ?

Hi, Paul,

As it stands right now...

Can MS actually do anything well????? I think not. Years ago, when DOS
was king, MS had the rep of "Their software works, it just doesn't work
well." Still my opinion of things.

I checked out a couple of the links.

I started with just the basic catalogue update site, as I'd been there
before. Oh, look at this.... It's only usable on XP and a couple
server versions! Why thanks, MS, it's so nice of you to let me download
update files for for a Windows user to help fix the Windows machine. NOT!

Fire up the old XP computer. Load the site. Search on Windows 7. (OH,
yeah, it's so nice to zero instructions on the page.) And find this
link is all the updates (I presume all) listed individually. 933 of
them, to be exact. Think there's a button to select all 933 with a
single click? Hell, no, that would be too customer friendly. Instead,
I have to pick 25 at a time. Finally get them all added to the basket,
and click on the basket to open it. Hah! IE has connection problems.
After clicking on Diagnose connection problems, I get a screen that says
there's nothing in my basket to download. But the cart says I have 933.
Say What?!?!?!

Well, maybe adding more virtual memory may affect this. Discover there
is none. My fault, I probably never set it up when I made the computer
dual boot. Created 4096 of virtual memory, rebooted, same result.

So, I tried selecting 1/2 of the update files. Same result.

OK, I've had enough of this! Even though the main page says XP and a
couple servers only, I'll try it on W7. Maybe the system will check and
magically add Windows 7.

Nope. Opening on W7 (different computer). and the page still says XP
and the two servers. I said "What the H***?" and tried moving forward.
WTF????? It works! Now, how many users w/ W7 simply believed the web
page and gave up? Nice going, MS!!

So, rather than go for all 933, I checked 100. There were no connection
problems, and I started downloading them. I'd say a third of them
download, and things just stopped. Let it just sit, and came back
later. Yea, some had download, and some had failed. That's a big help.
It was just sitting there, and finally another one started to
download. Wow. I must be back on dialup.

So, while it was trying to download, I decided to try the first link in
the article:
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3125574.

I used the Toshiba that won't update on it's own, and this is where I
probably should have gone in the first place. The jury is still out on
that, though.

Downloaded fine, and double clicked on the file. Sure enough, it runs,
says the installer will run, do something, I don't remember the exact
phrase.

It is now two hours later, and I'm still watching a window saying
searching for updates on this computer.

If I read/understand the article correctly, I may need to install
KB3020369. If true, then that fact should have been the first thing the
author typed on the keyboard, not a couple paragraphs down the page.
But, I don't think authors of pages like this know how to think like a
new user, and then put things in the order they need to be done.

It's a slow laptop, so will let it a little while longer. If it doesn't
work, I'll run KB3020369 and try again.

I'll let you know how it turns out.


I was trying to use KB3125574 rollup, on a fresh install that claims
to be missing 164 updates. And this is what I got. It would be a
shame if there was some set of updates that had to be installed,
before the rollup would work to bring the OS close-to-up-to-date.

http://s32.postimg.org/qruvjugxx/rollup.jpg

I tested two installs, a Win7SP1x64 Pro install, used for benchmark
testing. And a VM I installed just to test the rollup, which was
Home Premium.

I got the same thing. :-( I'm going to let the normal update route run
all night, and see what I get in the morning.

No problems with the rollup here, but I only tested it on one Win7x64 Ult
system (VM). I think the whole process, downloading and installing, took
about 45 minutes, give or take.

--

Char Jackson

Ken Springer wrote:

I checked out a couple of the links.

I started with just the basic catalogue update site, as I'd been there
before. Oh, look at this.... It's only usable on XP and a couple
server versions!

What URL did you use? The ones mentioned here and the other referenced
thread started by winston say the "convenience rollup update" is for
Windows 7 (and 8) and Windows Server 2008. Windows XP is not mentioned.

You posted in a Win7 newsgroup. In your starter post, you only mention
Windows 7. So now why are you trying to use a WinXP host? You will
need to get your Win7 host setup first with the instance of Windows 7
that you already have along with the chipset drivers for the mobo so the
NIC will work for Internet connectivity.

Fire up the old XP computer. Load the site. Search on Windows 7. (OH,
yeah, it's so nice to zero instructions on the page.) And find this
link is all the updates (I presume all) listed individually.

Nope. If you use the *search* URL provided by winston and repeated
here, you see a list of rollup updates for Windows 7. That is *NOT* the
Windows Update site. It is the Microsoft Update [catalog] site.

933 of them, to be exact.

You either went to the Windows Update site or used the wrong URL which
did not do the recommended search on the Win7 convenience rollup update.
Use the URL given by winston to search the catalog at the Microsoft
Update site. Again, the URL is:

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3125574

You need to use Internet Explorer as their catalog site doesn't like
"foreign" web browsers. You must also have ActiveX enabled in IE.

Think there's a button to select all 933 with a single click? Hell,
no, that would be too customer friendly. Instead, I have to pick 25
at a time. Finally get them all added to the basket,

You should only be picking ONE rollup update (KB3125574), not 933 or 25.

OK, I've had enough of this! Even though the main page says XP and a
couple servers only, I'll try it on W7. Maybe the system will check and
magically add Windows 7.

Nope. Opening on W7 (different computer). and the page still says XP
and the two servers.

Here is a screenshot of what I see when visiting the above URL using
IE11 in Windows 7 Home x64:

http://imgur.com/7xYcmk1
(click on image to enlarge)

I selected the last one since its description with "x64" more closely
matched my setup. Clicked on the Add button for it, clicked on the
"view basket" link at the top right, and clicked the Download button on
the next page. Selected where to store the downloaded file and clicked
the Continue button. After a minute (your time may vary due to
difference between downstream bandwidth for you and I), the 476 MB file
was downloaded.

There was no 933 updates. Just 3, and I only downloaded 1 of them.

[After going to the correct site and downloading the rollup update ...]
It is now two hours later, and I'm still watching a window saying
searching for updates on this computer.

Well, how long did it take you before to install hundreds of updates at
a time? You already noted that the Windows Update site found 933
updates that were applicable to your setup (but don't know that was just
critical updates, critical+important updates, critical+important+
recommended updates, or critical+important+recommended+hardware
updates). A thousand updates is going to take a long time.

When you installed the updates individually, you often had to several
dozen reboots because some of the updates required a following reboot.
I don't know if the convenience rollup update does it all in one shot
and requires only 1 reboot (which might actually be 2 reboots since
sometimes the first reboot is to perform file replacements in safe mode
and then complete the install in a reboot into normal mode). Hopefully
you don't have to do as many reboots as the total number of updates that
individually required their own reboots.

Oh oh, looks like Microsoft's blog article noted (and winston confirmed
in another post under a different thread) that the following preparatory
update must first be installed:

April 2015 servicing stack update
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3020369

So the cumulative (rollup) update isn't so cumulative. If it needed
preparatory updates then Microsoft should have made a 2- or multi-stage
rollup installer: install the preparatory updates, in order, with any
required reboots and then added as a Winlogon or other startup event
defined after the last preparatory update install then load the
installer for the cumulative update.

Good morning, VanguardLH.


A couple of things. I only have a newsgroup reader on this Mac so when
I find something that can only be done using IE, I have to slide back
and forth between systems transferring links, etc.

And since I wasn't expecting any issues, I wasn't keeping any entries
into the nonexistent daily diary. LOL

On 5/19/16 1:11 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

I checked out a couple of the links.

I started with just the basic catalogue update site, as I'd been there
before. Oh, look at this.... It's only usable on XP and a couple
server versions!

Since I was going to have to manually type in the link, I thought I'd
type a basic link then just drill down to where I wanted to be.

What URL did you use?

Honestly don't remember what I typed, but I ended up he
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...ks.aspx?id=150 And it
says it doesn't offer updates for the system on the computer. Only XP
blah, blah, blah. It also says I can go to the Download Center. Click
the Download Center link, and you get a couple W7 screenshots telling
you to use Windows Update from the Start Menu. Which isn't working.

The ones mentioned here and the other referenced
thread started by winston say the "convenience rollup update" is for
Windows 7 (and 8) and Windows Server 2008. Windows XP is not mentioned.

I wasn't following winston's thread.

You posted in a Win7 newsgroup. In your starter post, you only mention
Windows 7. So now why are you trying to use a WinXP host? You will
need to get your Win7 host setup first with the instance of Windows 7
that you already have along with the chipset drivers for the mobo so the
NIC will work for Internet connectivity.

The link in the articles indicates you will go to the MS update
catalogue, which is the titled of the Thanks link above. That led me to
believe an XP machine was needed.

I had to add the NIC driver manually for the problem laptop, as the
driver wasn't on the W7 install disk I have. The disk also didn't have
the correct video drivers either, so I had the generic driver with max
rez of 1024X768i to work with.

Fire up the old XP computer. Load the site. Search on Windows 7. (OH,
yeah, it's so nice to zero instructions on the page.) And find this
link is all the updates (I presume all) listed individually.

Nope. If you use the *search* URL provided by winston and repeated
here, you see a list of rollup updates for Windows 7. That is *NOT* the
Windows Update site. It is the Microsoft Update [catalog] site.

As noted, I wasn't following winston's thread.

933 of them, to be exact.

You either went to the Windows Update site or used the wrong URL which
did not do the recommended search on the Win7 convenience rollup update.
Use the URL given by winston to search the catalog at the Microsoft
Update site. Again, the URL is:

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3125574

G Hadn't been reading his thread.

Go to http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Home.aspx and enter
"Windows 7" in the search box. Voilá, 933 updates. G

You need to use Internet Explorer as their catalog site doesn't like
"foreign" web browsers. You must also have ActiveX enabled in IE.

I hate this kind of crap from MS. Not a customer friendly attitude. :-)


Think there's a button to select all 933 with a single click? Hell,
no, that would be too customer friendly. Instead, I have to pick 25
at a time. Finally get them all added to the basket,

You should only be picking ONE rollup update (KB3125574), not 933 or 25.

OK, I've had enough of this! Even though the main page says XP and a
couple servers only, I'll try it on W7. Maybe the system will check and
magically add Windows 7.

Nope. Opening on W7 (different computer). and the page still says XP
and the two servers.

Here is a screenshot of what I see when visiting the above URL using
IE11 in Windows 7 Home x64:

http://imgur.com/7xYcmk1
(click on image to enlarge)

I selected the last one since its description with "x64" more closely
matched my setup. Clicked on the Add button for it, clicked on the
"view basket" link at the top right, and clicked the Download button on
the next page. Selected where to store the downloaded file and clicked
the Continue button. After a minute (your time may vary due to
difference between downstream bandwidth for you and I), the 476 MB file
was downloaded.

There was no 933 updates. Just 3, and I only downloaded 1 of them.

[After going to the correct site and downloading the rollup update ...]
It is now two hours later, and I'm still watching a window saying
searching for updates on this computer.

Well, how long did it take you before to install hundreds of updates at
a time? You already noted that the Windows Update site found 933
updates that were applicable to your setup (but don't know that was just
critical updates, critical+important updates, critical+important+
recommended updates, or critical+important+recommended+hardware
updates). A thousand updates is going to take a long time.

When you installed the updates individually, you often had to several
dozen reboots because some of the updates required a following reboot.
I don't know if the convenience rollup update does it all in one shot
and requires only 1 reboot (which might actually be 2 reboots since
sometimes the first reboot is to perform file replacements in safe mode
and then complete the install in a reboot into normal mode). Hopefully
you don't have to do as many reboots as the total number of updates that
individually required their own reboots.

So, to cut to the chase, as I'm running out of time...

I got to the right place eventually, and downloaded the right rollup
packages on my W7/W8 machine. Copied them to the laptop, ran. Got the
same message Paul did, that the updates weren't for that computer.

But, based on screens that flash by during all of this, I wonder if you
need to download the rollup package to the computer you are going to
apply the package too?

I dunno, but I'm trying again, this downloading directly to the laptop.
And installing in the right order. We'll see what happens. LOL

FYI, the reason I downloaded to the W7/W8 computer in the first place is
this laptop is cussedly slow. But it will serve my purpose if I can
ever get it upgraded. LOL


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 44.0
Thunderbird 38.0.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:

So, to cut to the chase, as I'm running out of time...

I got to the right place eventually, and downloaded the right rollup
packages on my W7/W8 machine. Copied them to the laptop, ran. Got the
same message Paul did, that the updates weren't for that computer.

But, based on screens that flash by during all of this, I wonder if you
need to download the rollup package to the computer you are going to
apply the package too?

I dunno, but I'm trying again, this downloading directly to the laptop.
And installing in the right order. We'll see what happens. LOL

FYI, the reason I downloaded to the W7/W8 computer in the first place is
this laptop is cussedly slow. But it will serve my purpose if I can
ever get it upgraded. LOL

Winston already provided a hint. I tested it,
and it works.

1) Virgin Win7 install.

2) Install KB3020369 April 2015 Servicing Stack update.
You can get this from the catalog server. The following
link works on IE6 at least.

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3020369

3) Install KB3125574. Doctor the catalog server link, and put
the number on the end, if you're lazy.

4) Install MBSA 2.3, note that as of today,
"Result: 24 security updates are missing"

5) If you enter Windows Update, the delay until
those 24 items is listed, takes 84 minutes.
The CPU will be railed on one core for those
84 minutes. No substantive communications to
Microsoft happens during those 84 minutes.
The reason for using Step (4), is it might take
five minutes to do the analysis, rather than
having to wait 84 minutes to get the same info.
YMMV of course.

HTH,
Paul

On 5/20/16 1:40 AM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

So, to cut to the chase, as I'm running out of time...

I got to the right place eventually, and downloaded the right rollup
packages on my W7/W8 machine. Copied them to the laptop, ran. Got the
same message Paul did, that the updates weren't for that computer.

But, based on screens that flash by during all of this, I wonder if you
need to download the rollup package to the computer you are going to
apply the package too?

I dunno, but I'm trying again, this downloading directly to the laptop.
And installing in the right order. We'll see what happens. LOL

FYI, the reason I downloaded to the W7/W8 computer in the first place is
this laptop is cussedly slow. But it will serve my purpose if I can
ever get it upgraded. LOL

Winston already provided a hint. I tested it,
and it works.

1) Virgin Win7 install.

2) Install KB3020369 April 2015 Servicing Stack update.
You can get this from the catalog server. The following
link works on IE6 at least.

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3020369

Likewise this is a fresh install. Started from scratch again, and I
mean scratch. I'm a firm believer in Murphy's Law. (I guess I've just
gotten too old.) I downloaded both 302069 and 3125574 directly to the
laptop. I decided I'd just let each run until close to infinity. It
took close to 3/4 of a day just for 3020369 to install. 3125574 is
pushing 20 hours and it's still "searching for updates on this computer..."

I may die before this thing finishes! LOL

I've got another identical system, can we say "system image"? G

3) Install KB3125574. Doctor the catalog server link, and put
the number on the end, if you're lazy.

4) Install MBSA 2.3, note that as of today,
"Result: 24 security updates are missing"

Thanks for this, Paul, something else I didn't know about. Just looked
at an MS page for this, says nothing about running on W10. Any idea if
it does?

5) If you enter Windows Update, the delay until
those 24 items is listed, takes 84 minutes.
The CPU will be railed on one core for those
84 minutes. No substantive communications to
Microsoft happens during those 84 minutes.
The reason for using Step (4), is it might take
five minutes to do the analysis, rather than
having to wait 84 minutes to get the same info.
YMMV of course.

HTH,
Paul



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 44.0
Thunderbird 38.0.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:


4) Install MBSA 2.3, note that as of today,
"Result: 24 security updates are missing"

Thanks for this, Paul, something else I didn't know about. Just looked
at an MS page for this, says nothing about running on W10. Any idea if
it does?

It runs.

But... it's pointless :-)

It's the "OS that is never out of date". Hahaha.

http://s32.postimg.org/jer11gzgl/MBSAInsider.gif

The Insider version, they replace the whole OS
when it needs a patch. The only time I've seen
a security patch show up, is when the Visual Studio
Redistributable looping patch showed up. And that
is fixed now. So the report for the Insider edition
today, is clean as a whistle.

I still recommend running MBSA, just to see what
a second opinion has to say. It might tell you
that your copy of Microsoft Office needs patching,
as an example of additional feedback it can provide.

Paul

On 5/20/16 10:00 AM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:


4) Install MBSA 2.3, note that as of today,
"Result: 24 security updates are missing"

Thanks for this, Paul, something else I didn't know about. Just looked
at an MS page for this, says nothing about running on W10. Any idea if
it does?

It runs.

But... it's pointless :-)

It's the "OS that is never out of date". Hahaha.

http://s32.postimg.org/jer11gzgl/MBSAInsider.gif

The Insider version, they replace the whole OS
when it needs a patch. The only time I've seen
a security patch show up, is when the Visual Studio
Redistributable looping patch showed up. And that
is fixed now. So the report for the Insider edition
today, is clean as a whistle.

I still recommend running MBSA, just to see what
a second opinion has to say. It might tell you
that your copy of Microsoft Office needs patching,
as an example of additional feedback it can provide.

After pretty close to 24 hrs., 3125574 finally installed. I had hoped
it would fix the lack of an AMD video driver, but it didn't. Tried a
couple of drivers from Toshiba's site with no luck.

So decided to do a coldboot. And Windows is telling me there's 240
important and optional updates. So, I'm just going to wait out
installation. I've got other things to do.

I did take the time to check the processor speed. 1.0 GHz. No wonder
the thing is slow.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 44.0
Thunderbird 38.0.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"