What do I need to do to get Windows to show decent editors in the right-click context menu?

He who is J. P. Gilliver (John) said on Sat, 7 Oct 2017 23:41:54 +0100:

And some of them have more clout with Microsoft than we mere users do
)-:. Although, I suspect, the reason what you describe isn't offered is
more a matter of laziness (penny-pinching, since effort costs money) on
the part of Microsoft than bribery/threat by software giants: what we've
got is minimal, but works sort of, and they know we haven't much
choice/say in the matter.

I suspect that the "touch interface" GUI requirement put huge limitations
on what Microsoft could do with the right-click context menu.

But I don't know that for a fact.

harry newton wrote:
He who is J. P. Gilliver (John) said on Sat, 7 Oct 2017 23:41:54 +0100:

And some of them have more clout with Microsoft than we mere users do
)-:. Although, I suspect, the reason what you describe isn't offered
is more a matter of laziness (penny-pinching, since effort costs
money) on the part of Microsoft than bribery/threat by software
giants: what we've got is minimal, but works sort of, and they know we
haven't much choice/say in the matter.

I suspect that the "touch interface" GUI requirement put huge limitations
on what Microsoft could do with the right-click context menu.

But I don't know that for a fact.

On Win10:

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/18-esse...es-windows-10/

"5. Context Menu

you can simply use two fingers and tap
"

Is that what you want to do ?

Paul

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writes:
harry newton wrote:
He who is J. P. Gilliver (John) said on Sat, 7 Oct 2017 23:41:54 +0100:

And some of them have more clout with Microsoft than we mere users
do
)-:. Although, I suspect, the reason what you describe isn't offered
is more a matter of laziness (penny-pinching, since effort costs
money) on the part of Microsoft than bribery/threat by software
giants: what we've got is minimal, but works sort of, and they know
we haven't much choice/say in the matter.
I suspect that the "touch interface" GUI requirement put huge
limitations
on what Microsoft could do with the right-click context menu.
But I don't know that for a fact.

On Win10:

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/18-esse...es-windows-10/

"5. Context Menu

you can simply use two fingers and tap
"

Is that what you want to do ?

Paul

I think he wants to have more (or even some!) control over what programs
the context menu offers when he selects, from it, either open or edit,
for each filetype. (I think his suggestion - that the support for touch
screen caused difficulties with any such control being offered - is
incorrect, in that I can't see why there should be much interaction
between the two.)
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On 07/10/2017 15:04:25, harry newton wrote:
What do I need to do to get Windows to show decent editors in the
right-click context menu? http://i63.tinypic.com/2ljhiyu.jpg

Here's how to reproduce the fundamental Windows "open-with" conundrum:
http://i63.tinypic.com/35ix02h.jpg
1. Create an empty file named "foo.jpg" & "foo.mp4".
2. Right click on "foo.jpg" & I get reasonable options for editors.
3. Right click on "foo.mp4" & the editing options I get are unreasonable.

Note: Editors and viewers are (sometimes) completely different things.
Note: The default viewer isn't necessarily the default editor.

All I want are reasonable options for editing of both jpg & mp4 files.
Why can't Windows 10 do something as simple as that?

Or is it me?
If it's me, that's fine. I just want to know what I'm doing wrong.

What do I need to do to get Windows to *add* Shotcut as an editing choice?
http://i63.tinypic.com/2ljhiyu.jpg --- This is what I get
http://i63.tinypic.com/35ix02h.jpg --- This is what I want

Always back-up your registry first.
https://www.technorms.com/26760/add-...-menu-registry

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"harry newton" wrote in message
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What do I need to do to get Windows to show decent editors in the
right-click context menu? http://i63.tinypic.com/2ljhiyu.jpg

Here's how to reproduce the fundamental Windows "open-with" conundrum:
http://i63.tinypic.com/35ix02h.jpg
1. Create an empty file named "foo.jpg" & "foo.mp4".
2. Right click on "foo.jpg" & I get reasonable options for editors.
3. Right click on "foo.mp4" & the editing options I get are
unreasonable.

Note: Editors and viewers are (sometimes) completely different things.
Note: The default viewer isn't necessarily the default editor.

All I want are reasonable options for editing of both jpg & mp4 files.
Why can't Windows 10 do something as simple as that?

Or is it me?
If it's me, that's fine. I just want to know what I'm doing wrong.

What do I need to do to get Windows to *add* Shotcut as an editing
choice?
http://i63.tinypic.com/2ljhiyu.jpg --- This is what I get
http://i63.tinypic.com/35ix02h.jpg --- This is what I want

1. Select "choose another app"

2. Browse or otherwise get to Shortcut.exe and select it

3. Tick "always use this app..." etc.


And this distinguishes between editors and viewers how?

It doesn't. All it does is get the app into the "open with" list which is
what the OP asked for. Theoretically at least, he can then use his brain to
distinguish among the entries by function.

If he wants to make dynamic context menu entries he needs to use a third
party program such as Fast Explorer 8, Ultimate Windows Context Menu
Organizer, File Types Manager, etc. Or, he could make his own shell
extension entries in the registry. However, I know of no way - either via a
program or registry - to make right click entries according to desired
function. Do you?

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He who is dadiOH said on Sat, 7 Oct 2017 16:15:33 -0400:

3. Tick "always use this app..." etc.

I must clarify that any "always use" will fail because of the obvious
problem that I don't want Shotcut to be the default "viewer" and I don't
even want it to be the default "editor".

Get yout app into the "open with " list, change the default back to
whatever. Then left click gets you the default, right click gets the list.

On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 08:14:02 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote:


"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
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In message , dadiOH writes:

"harry newton" wrote in message
news What do I need to do to get Windows to show decent editors in the
right-click context menu? http://i63.tinypic.com/2ljhiyu.jpg

Here's how to reproduce the fundamental Windows "open-with" conundrum:
http://i63.tinypic.com/35ix02h.jpg
1. Create an empty file named "foo.jpg" & "foo.mp4".
2. Right click on "foo.jpg" & I get reasonable options for editors.
3. Right click on "foo.mp4" & the editing options I get are
unreasonable.

Note: Editors and viewers are (sometimes) completely different things.
Note: The default viewer isn't necessarily the default editor.

All I want are reasonable options for editing of both jpg & mp4 files.
Why can't Windows 10 do something as simple as that?

Or is it me?
If it's me, that's fine. I just want to know what I'm doing wrong.

What do I need to do to get Windows to *add* Shotcut as an editing
choice?
http://i63.tinypic.com/2ljhiyu.jpg --- This is what I get
http://i63.tinypic.com/35ix02h.jpg --- This is what I want

1. Select "choose another app"

2. Browse or otherwise get to Shortcut.exe and select it

3. Tick "always use this app..." etc.


And this distinguishes between editors and viewers how?

It doesn't. All it does is get the app into the "open with" list which is
what the OP asked for. Theoretically at least, he can then use his brain to
distinguish among the entries by function.

If he wants to make dynamic context menu entries he needs to use a third
party program such as Fast Explorer 8, Ultimate Windows Context Menu
Organizer, File Types Manager, etc. Or, he could make his own shell
extension entries in the registry. However, I know of no way - either via a
program or registry - to make right click entries according to desired
function. Do you?

He could buy a second computer ......


He obviously is not happy with editing the right click menu,
which was very accurately explained he

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To the OP : Why the cross post to XP forums ?
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He who is harry newton said on Sat, 7 Oct 2017 22:16:34 +0000 (UTC):

I should clarify that the actual choice of programs is meaningless.
What matters is the functionality of two simple tasks:

Task one (which is the common task):
Doubleclick on something and the default 'viewer' comes up (It's generally
chosen to be fast, light, and capable, but you can
choose whatever viewer you want, and it can even be an "editor" but the
reality of the facts of life is that the default is probably chosen to be
light and fast and capable - but not a heavy duty editing engine).

Task two (which is the editing task):
Rightclick on something and a *choice* of 'editors' is available.

Task two is an editing task only in YOUR mind.

Context menu entries are associated with various subdivisions of the
computer, NOT function. For example, one could be associated with...

Drives
Computer
Folder
File Folder
All files
A specific file type

At least one of the context menu editors I mentioned earlier, namely, Fast
Explorer 8, allows one to make sub-menus in dynamic context menus. I Used
that function extensively in Windows XP when I was doing more than email and
browsing.

With the sub-menus one could have a contect menu entry that says, for
example, "Edit with..." and another that says, :"View with...". Each had
appropriate lists of apps for the function and each was associated with a
particular file type.

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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
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1. Select "choose another app"

2. Browse or otherwise get to Shortcut.exe and select it

3. Tick "always use this app..." etc.


And this distinguishes between editors and viewers how?

It doesn't. All it does is get the app into the "open with" list which is

I'm not sure it does: I think it assigns that app. to be the default for
the filetype. I don't think it adds it to the "open with" list as well,
though I could be wrong about that.

what the OP asked for. Theoretically at least, he can then use his brain to

I don't think so: I think he asked for a way to have a different "open
with" list (not just default app.) for each filetype. (AFAIK, adding to
the "open with" list just makes a long "open with" list regardless of
filetype.) I don't think that can be done, certainly not without third
party tools.

distinguish among the entries by function.

If he wants to make dynamic context menu entries he needs to use a third
party program such as Fast Explorer 8, Ultimate Windows Context Menu
Organizer, File Types Manager, etc. Or, he could make his own shell
extension entries in the registry. However, I know of no way - either via a
program or registry - to make right click entries according to desired
function. Do you?

Not really. I think I've seen some mention of what action (open, view,
edit) can be invoked under some circumstances, but I don't remember what
those were - might have been to do with the NirSoft app. already
mentioned.

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On 10/7/2017 3:34 PM, harry newton wrote:
He who is harry newton said on Sat, 7 Oct 2017 22:16:34 +0000 (UTC):

Is what I'm asking so illogical that everyone doesn't want the same?
- Doubleclick on JPG, it opens in Irfanview (fast, light, capable)
- Doubleclick on MPG, it opens in MPC (fast, light, capable)
- Rightclick on JPG, you get *your* choice of a handful of editors
- Rightclick on MPG, you get *your* choice of a handful of editors

Who wouldn't want exactly that?
What do we need to do in order to get it?

I should clarify that the actual choice of programs is meaningless.
What matters is the functionality of two simple tasks:

Task one (which is the common task):
Doubleclick on something and the default 'viewer' comes up
(It's generally chosen to be fast, light, and capable, but you can
choose whatever viewer you want, and it can even be an "editor" but the
reality of the facts of life is that the default is probably chosen to be
light and fast and capable - but not a heavy duty editing engine).

Task two (which is the editing task):
Rightclick on something and a *choice* of 'editors' is available.

That choice of editors doesn't need to be a long laundry list, and it
certainly shouldn't take more than a single click. It's fine if that choice
is "created" on the fly the first time choices are made, where those
on-the-fly choices can entail as many clicks as Microsoft wants to shove in
our face - but all those clicks should only happen once!

Once all those clicks happen, then the *new* list of available right-click
editors should be updated.

Doesn't *everyone* want this functionality?
I can't see a single thing about it that is "special" in any way.
Everyone does this all the time for almost all file types.

How long should the list of choices be?
I don't know. Maybe a half dozen? That seems reasonable to me.

Microsoft can decide how that works.
For example, maybe the list just expands. Why not? It's just a GUI.
Or, maybe there's some real-estate limit. So the limit is a half dozen.

A half dozen editors should suffice for most editing actions, right?

What I can't fathom yet is whether what I'm asking is unusual in any way.

Ignoring the actual selection of programs...
Doesn't *everyone* want exactly what I'm asking for?


See my earlier reply in this thread. Instead of selecting Edit in the
lower pane, right-click in that pane and select New Action from the top
of the pull-down context menu. In the Edit Action window, enter
Shortcut Edit as the name and as the caption. Use the Browse button to
insert the command; do NOT manually type in the command.

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At least one of the context menu editors I mentioned earlier, namely, Fast
Explorer 8, allows one to make sub-menus in dynamic context menus. I Used
that function extensively in Windows XP when I was doing more than email and
browsing.

With the sub-menus one could have a contect menu entry that says, for
example, "Edit with..." and another that says, :"View with...". Each had
appropriate lists of apps for the function and each was associated with a
particular file type.


If I read him right, that's _exactly_ what harry newton wants.
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On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 23:08:41 +0000 (UTC), harry newton
wrote:

In summary, Paint.NET's claim to fame, IMHO, is that these three things
work the way they *should* work, where it's extremely rare that any other
freeware editors is as easy, and, most importantly, it's *impossible* for
you to find another freeware editor out there that has all three tasks done
as well as Paint.NET does them.

If you do know of a program that has those three tasks done as well as
Paint.NET does them, then I want to know about that program!

You just said it was *impossible* to find another freeware editor that
beats Paint.net, so how is anyone supposed to take you up on your
challenge? Did you mean to say *improbable*? ;-)

Just kidding! I don't do any of the three tasks that are important to
you, so I'm afraid I can't be of much help.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
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In message , dadiOH writes:
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At least one of the context menu editors I mentioned earlier, namely, Fast
Explorer 8, allows one to make sub-menus in dynamic context menus. I Used
that function extensively in Windows XP when I was doing more than email
and
browsing.

With the sub-menus one could have a contect menu entry that says, for
example, "Edit with..." and another that says, :"View with...". Each had
appropriate lists of apps for the function and each was associated with a
particular file type.


If I read him right, that's _exactly_ what harry newton wants.

Probably. If he does it is easy to find a download, no idea how well it
functions in Win10. In case he wants it, here is a page of useage explan
which I wrote a dozen or so years ago...
http://www.shareup.com/dadioh/fast-explorer.html.

On 10/7/2017 9:47 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
On 10/7/2017 7:04 AM, harry newton wrote:
What do I need to do to get Windows to show decent editors in the
right-click context menu? http://i63.tinypic.com/2ljhiyu.jpg

Here's how to reproduce the fundamental Windows "open-with" conundrum:
http://i63.tinypic.com/35ix02h.jpg
1. Create an empty file named "foo.jpg" & "foo.mp4".
2. Right click on "foo.jpg" & I get reasonable options for editors.
3. Right click on "foo.mp4" & the editing options I get are unreasonable.

Note: Editors and viewers are (sometimes) completely different things.
Note: The default viewer isn't necessarily the default editor.

All I want are reasonable options for editing of both jpg & mp4 files.
Why can't Windows 10 do something as simple as that?

Or is it me?
If it's me, that's fine. I just want to know what I'm doing wrong.

What do I need to do to get Windows to *add* Shotcut as an editing choice?
http://i63.tinypic.com/2ljhiyu.jpg --- This is what I get
http://i63.tinypic.com/35ix02h.jpg --- This is what I want


Get FileTypesMan.exe (File Types Manager) from Nirsoft at
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/file_types_manager.html. It comes packed
in a ZIP file. You do not need to install it; just unzip it and move
the contents to wherever you want it.

Launch FileTypesMan. Scroll down to a file extension for which you want
to change the editor and select it. In the lower pane, select Edit.
Right-click and select Edit Selected Action from the pull-down context
menu. Change the indicated application to what you prefer.


FileTypesMan works in Windows 10.

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By allowing employers to eliminate coverage for birth control
from their insurance plans, President Trump has guaranteed there
will be an increase in the demand for abortions.

What do I need to do to get Windows to *add* Shotcut as an editing choice?
http://i63.tinypic.com/2ljhiyu.jpg --- This is what I get
http://i63.tinypic.com/35ix02h.jpg --- This is what I want\

If someone can explain the unintuitive open-with syntax, that would be
nice.

It turns out that the "Open with Shotcut" static menu (it's not context
sensitive) inside the otherwise-context-sensitive right click menu,
suddenly started working to not only start Shotcut (which it did before)
but also to load the right-clicked file inside of Shotcut (which only
happened after updating to the latest version of Shotcut 17.09.04).
http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/10/12/openwithshotcut2.jpg

Apparently, the correct registry key to add is:
HKCR\*\shell\Open with Shotcut\command
Default = C:\apps\editor\vid\shotcut\shotcut.exe %1 %1*
http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/10/12/openwithshotcut.jpg

If someone can explain that strange unobvious syntax, that would be nice!