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Old December 8th 17, 09:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Buffalo[_3_]
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Default SSD and Problems with Start Button

I installed a new Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD and just copied the info from
my 1 TB HDD to it with the included software.
Only had around 200Gb to transfer and I believe the process automatically
didn't copy some files like that in Virtual Memory , etc. Took around 45
min.
I did do a cleanup and defrag BEFORE I installed the SSD.
After I did the copy, I shut down and disconnected my HDD and it booted
right up from the SSD which is connected to a SATA 2 port, just like it was
when I did the transfer.
Bootup time is dramatically decreased. I was impressed.
But, in the last few days, sometimes the Start button will not work (left or
rt click) nor the search magnifying glass. If I reboot, sometimes it starts
working again. If I then try a total shutdown, it seems to work.
I did the upgrade from Windows 7 HE 64 bit to Windows 10 64 bit and it went
well. I did this last year.
Any ideas?
Is something getting bypassed due to the increased speed of the bootup?
Is this a fairly common problem when switching to a SSD?

Perhaps I should just erase the SSD and do a fresh install of Windows 10
from an ISO obtained online. Will MS recognize my new Windonw 10 install ?
What will I need to have to ensure that MS will recognize it? Remember, I
did an upgrade over the Win 7 OS.
Any hints on making it simpler and easier and faster?
Thanks,
Buffalo

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Old December 8th 17, 10:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Buffalo[_3_]
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"Buffalo" wrote in message news

I installed a new Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD and just copied the info from
my 1 TB HDD to it with the included software.
Only had around 200Gb to transfer and I believe the process automatically
didn't copy some files like that in Virtual Memory , etc. Took around 45
min.
I did do a cleanup and defrag BEFORE I installed the SSD.
After I did the copy, I shut down and disconnected my HDD and it booted
right up from the SSD which is connected to a SATA 2 port, just like it was
when I did the transfer.
Bootup time is dramatically decreased. I was impressed.
But, in the last few days, sometimes the Start button will not work (left
or rt click) nor the search magnifying glass. If I reboot, sometimes it
starts working again. If I then try a total shutdown, it seems to work.
I did the upgrade from Windows 7 HE 64 bit to Windows 10 64 bit and it went
well. I did this last year.
Any ideas?
Is something getting bypassed due to the increased speed of the bootup?
Is this a fairly common problem when switching to a SSD?

Perhaps I should just erase the SSD and do a fresh install of Windows 10
from an ISO obtained online. Will MS recognize my new Windonw 10 install ?
What will I need to have to ensure that MS will recognize it? Remember, I
did an upgrade over the Win 7 OS.
Any hints on making it simpler and easier and faster?
Thanks,
Buffalo


Starting to think Malwarebytes Pro cold be causing the problem.
I will stop it from starting at bootup to see if that helps.
Still, any other suggestions to my original post on both issued will be
appreciated.
I also use the free Avast and I have SuperAntiSpyware .
--
Buffalo

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Old December 8th 17, 10:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Buffalo wrote:
"Buffalo" wrote in message news

I installed a new Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD and just copied the info
from my 1 TB HDD to it with the included software.
Only had around 200Gb to transfer and I believe the process
automatically didn't copy some files like that in Virtual Memory ,
etc. Took around 45 min.
I did do a cleanup and defrag BEFORE I installed the SSD.
After I did the copy, I shut down and disconnected my HDD and it
booted right up from the SSD which is connected to a SATA 2 port, just
like it was when I did the transfer.
Bootup time is dramatically decreased. I was impressed.
But, in the last few days, sometimes the Start button will not work
(left or rt click) nor the search magnifying glass. If I reboot,
sometimes it starts working again. If I then try a total shutdown, it
seems to work.
I did the upgrade from Windows 7 HE 64 bit to Windows 10 64 bit and it
went well. I did this last year.
Any ideas?
Is something getting bypassed due to the increased speed of the bootup?
Is this a fairly common problem when switching to a SSD?

Perhaps I should just erase the SSD and do a fresh install of Windows
10 from an ISO obtained online. Will MS recognize my new Windonw 10
install ? What will I need to have to ensure that MS will recognize
it? Remember, I did an upgrade over the Win 7 OS.
Any hints on making it simpler and easier and faster?
Thanks,
Buffalo


Starting to think Malwarebytes Pro cold be causing the problem.
I will stop it from starting at bootup to see if that helps.
Still, any other suggestions to my original post on both issued will be
appreciated.
I also use the free Avast and I have SuperAntiSpyware .


That's a better theory than anything I could come up with.

It's one thing for the SSD to completely disappear.

But if it's booting, and the OS is malfunctioning,
that doesn't give you a lot of "theory options".

Yes, sometimes OSes have race conditions, where
processes come up in the wrong order or something.
But given enough telemetry or bug reports, those
should get resolved.

I see fewer complaints about Metro Apps failing to
decorate the Task Bar now than in the past, but
I've never seen Microsoft admit to a root cause,
or tell us how they went about fixing that. I can
also tell you, I see an awful lot of "flashing"
in the OS, icons repainting, icons not knowing
what icon file they're supposed to use, and it
still looks like a freakin circus. But, in the
end, at least you can use it. When the task bar
stuff never shows up, that's kind of a deal breaker.

Paul
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Old December 8th 17, 11:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/08/2017 03:42 PM, Buffalo wrote:
I installed a new Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD and just copied the info
from my 1 TB HDD to it with the included software.
Only had around 200Gb to transfer and I believe the process
automatically didn't copy some files like that in Virtual Memory , etc.
Took around 45 min.
I did do a cleanup and defrag BEFORE I installed the SSD.
After I did the copy, I shut down and disconnected my HDD and it booted
right up from the SSD which is connected to a SATA 2 port, just like it
was when I did the transfer.
Bootup time is dramatically decreased. I was impressed.
But, in the last few days, sometimes the Start button will not work
(left or rt click) nor the search magnifying glass. If I reboot,
sometimes it starts working again. If I then try a total shutdown, it
seems to work.
I did the upgrade from Windows 7 HE 64 bit to Windows 10 64 bit and it
went well. I did this last year.
Any ideas?
Is something getting bypassed due to the increased speed of the bootup?
Is this a fairly common problem when switching to a SSD?

Perhaps I should just erase the SSD and do a fresh install of Windows 10
from an ISO obtained online. Will MS recognize my new Windonw 10 install
? What will I need to have to ensure that MS will recognize it?
Remember, I did an upgrade over the Win 7 OS.
Any hints on making it simpler and easier and faster?
Thanks,
Buffalo

You say 'copy', just what exact process did you use?
I've converted several machines to SSD's by using some clone software
like Acronis or Macrium. Never had an issue with the systems I've moved.
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Old December 9th 17, 12:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default SSD and Problems with Start Button

Buffalo wrote:
"Buffalo" wrote in message news

I installed a new Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD and just copied the info
from my 1 TB HDD to it with the included software.
Only had around 200Gb to transfer and I believe the process
automatically didn't copy some files like that in Virtual Memory ,
etc. Took around 45 min.
I did do a cleanup and defrag BEFORE I installed the SSD.
After I did the copy, I shut down and disconnected my HDD and it
booted right up from the SSD which is connected to a SATA 2 port, just
like it was when I did the transfer.
Bootup time is dramatically decreased. I was impressed.
But, in the last few days, sometimes the Start button will not work
(left or rt click) nor the search magnifying glass. If I reboot,
sometimes it starts working again. If I then try a total shutdown, it
seems to work.
I did the upgrade from Windows 7 HE 64 bit to Windows 10 64 bit and it
went well. I did this last year.
Any ideas?
Is something getting bypassed due to the increased speed of the bootup?
Is this a fairly common problem when switching to a SSD?

Perhaps I should just erase the SSD and do a fresh install of Windows
10 from an ISO obtained online. Will MS recognize my new Windonw 10
install ? What will I need to have to ensure that MS will recognize
it? Remember, I did an upgrade over the Win 7 OS.
Any hints on making it simpler and easier and faster?
Thanks,
Buffalo


Starting to think Malwarebytes Pro cold be causing the problem.
I will stop it from starting at bootup to see if that helps.
Still, any other suggestions to my original post on both issued will be
appreciated.
I also use the free Avast and I have SuperAntiSpyware .


Some bad news. I'm starting to see this now on my
laptop, after a reboot. At shutdown, there were
no spinning balls. And on the next startup,
while I have Start button, Cortana box and task bar
decorations (plus stupid People icon), really nothing
is responding. I can click on Start til hell
freezes over, nothing happens. If I start Task Manager,
I might accidentally get something to run then.

I'm not using Malwarebytes, just Windows Defender.

Before this happened, the laptop was receiving a download
at max link rate, and a check with TCPView seemed to show
a few akamai addresses. And a lot of addresses that
TCPView was not able to resolve. The trouble started
after that.

I couldn't see anything in Windows Update to account
for it. So it was probably a Windows Defender update
that's run amok.

I don't really know what I'm going to try next,
as the laptop isn't in a particularly good mood
right now. There's not a lot of experiments I
can do from Task Manager.

I do have a complete backup I made earlier today,
as the update of the laptop to the current version
was for an experiment. So I do have something I can
use, which will take me completely clear of this
mess. I would like to finish my experiment in 16299,
and now this mess is in my road.

Jesus, thanks Microsoft.

Yet again you make any sort of benchmarking
*completely impossible*. You can't keep this
tub of **** running long enough to finish anything.

Alt-F4 still works, so I'll try a reboot.

*******

OK, after another reboot, the interface is running again.

I opened Windows Defender, and the update window
claims it received an update 10 minutes ago. So yes,
it did receive an update, and went nuts after that.
I suspect it made the interface dead, until it was
finished some sort of "quick scan". Yet, the disk drive
light did not indicate to me, that any sort of
big scan was running. And I also didn't see msmpeng
running with a lot of CPU either. The symptoms don't
add up. I don't have enough evidence to say it
was doing a scan at the time.

So should I keep rebooting until it freezes again ?
Or should I switch to OS/2 ?

Paul

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Old December 9th 17, 08:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rodney Pont[_5_]
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 18:09:33 -0500, Paul wrote:

Or should I switch to OS/2 ?


latest OS/2 version :-)

https://www.arcanoae.com/

--
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and built in 5 years;
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  #7  
Old December 9th 17, 01:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 07:47:35 +0000 (GMT), Rodney Pont wrote:

On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 18:09:33 -0500, Paul wrote:

Or should I switch to OS/2 ?


latest OS/2 version :-)

https://www.arcanoae.com/


No 'try before you buy' options?
  #8  
Old December 9th 17, 11:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Big Al" wrote in message news

On 12/08/2017 03:42 PM, Buffalo wrote:
I installed a new Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD and just copied the info
from my 1 TB HDD to it with the included software.
Only had around 200Gb to transfer and I believe the process automatically
didn't copy some files like that in Virtual Memory , etc. Took around 45
min.
I did do a cleanup and defrag BEFORE I installed the SSD.
After I did the copy, I shut down and disconnected my HDD and it booted
right up from the SSD which is connected to a SATA 2 port, just like it
was when I did the transfer.
Bootup time is dramatically decreased. I was impressed.
But, in the last few days, sometimes the Start button will not work (left
or rt click) nor the search magnifying glass. If I reboot, sometimes it
starts working again. If I then try a total shutdown, it seems to work.
I did the upgrade from Windows 7 HE 64 bit to Windows 10 64 bit and it
went well. I did this last year.
Any ideas?
Is something getting bypassed due to the increased speed of the bootup?
Is this a fairly common problem when switching to a SSD?

Perhaps I should just erase the SSD and do a fresh install of Windows 10
from an ISO obtained online. Will MS recognize my new Windonw 10 install
? What will I need to have to ensure that MS will recognize it? Remember,
I did an upgrade over the Win 7 OS.
Any hints on making it simpler and easier and faster?
Thanks,
Buffalo

You say 'copy', just what exact process did you use?
I've converted several machines to SSD's by using some clone software like
Acronis or Macrium. Never had an issue with the systems I've moved.


I used the Samsumg software to copy (clone) my HDD to the SSD.
I believe that software eliminates some things during the transfer, like
virtual memory space, some MS update stuff etc.
It booted up just fine after the copy (clone) after I shut the PC down,
disconnected the old HDD and rebooted.
I did notice that System Restore got turned off. I turned it back on and
made a restore point about a day after I started using the SSD.
--
Buffalo

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Old December 10th 17, 10:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 07:47:35 +0000 (GMT), "Rodney Pont"
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 18:09:33 -0500, Paul wrote:

Or should I switch to OS/2 ?


latest OS/2 version :-)

https://www.arcanoae.com/


I thought eComStation had the rights to OS/2?
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Old December 11th 17, 08:53 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rodney Pont[_5_]
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On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:08:08 -0500, Doomsdrzej wrote:

On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 07:47:35 +0000 (GMT), "Rodney Pont"
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 18:09:33 -0500, Paul wrote:

Or should I switch to OS/2 ?


latest OS/2 version :-)

https://www.arcanoae.com/


I thought eComStation had the rights to OS/2?


They did have, and may well still have. eComStation was bought by
another company and since then hasn't released anything even though
there was a beta available at the time nothing further has happened (as
far as I can tell). Arcanoae negotiated to be able to base their OS on
OS/2 with IBM. I've no idea about licencing conditions with IBM for
either company but I'm confident that it's legal :-)

--
Faster, cheaper, quieter than HS2
and built in 5 years;
UKUltraspeed http://www.500kmh.com/


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Old December 11th 17, 07:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 07:53:50 +0000 (GMT), "Rodney Pont"
wrote:

On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:08:08 -0500, Doomsdrzej wrote:

On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 07:47:35 +0000 (GMT), "Rodney Pont"
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 18:09:33 -0500, Paul wrote:

Or should I switch to OS/2 ?

latest OS/2 version :-)

https://www.arcanoae.com/


I thought eComStation had the rights to OS/2?


They did have, and may well still have. eComStation was bought by
another company and since then hasn't released anything even though
there was a beta available at the time nothing further has happened (as
far as I can tell). Arcanoae negotiated to be able to base their OS on
OS/2 with IBM. I've no idea about licencing conditions with IBM for
either company but I'm confident that it's legal :-)


There's a chance that eComStation has the code IBM used to produce
OS/2 and that Arcanoae is basically a rewrite of the operating system
sort of like ReactOS is of Windows.

Of course, if that's the case, you have to wonder how the people
behind it managed to make a working OS/2 environment so quickly and
efficiently.
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Old December 11th 17, 08:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:30:00 -0500, Doomsdrzej wrote:

There's a chance that eComStation has the code IBM used to produce
OS/2 and that Arcanoae is basically a rewrite of the operating system
sort of like ReactOS is of Windows.


No, Arcanoae has the OS/2 code from IBM, more likely binaries and not
source though. They have worked on drivers and applications to support
modern hardware.

--
Faster, cheaper, quieter than HS2
and built in 5 years;
UKUltraspeed http://www.500kmh.com/


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Old December 11th 17, 11:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Lucifer Morningstar[_2_]
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On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:05:37 +0000 (GMT), "Rodney Pont"
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:30:00 -0500, Doomsdrzej wrote:

There's a chance that eComStation has the code IBM used to produce
OS/2 and that Arcanoae is basically a rewrite of the operating system
sort of like ReactOS is of Windows.


No, Arcanoae has the OS/2 code from IBM, more likely binaries and not
source though. They have worked on drivers and applications to support
modern hardware.


The old half operating system.
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Old December 11th 17, 11:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Doomsdrzej[_2_]
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On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:05:37 +0000 (GMT), "Rodney Pont"
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:30:00 -0500, Doomsdrzej wrote:

There's a chance that eComStation has the code IBM used to produce
OS/2 and that Arcanoae is basically a rewrite of the operating system
sort of like ReactOS is of Windows.


No, Arcanoae has the OS/2 code from IBM, more likely binaries and not
source though. They have worked on drivers and applications to support
modern hardware.


Without the source, it's kind of hard to expect that Arcanoae will
actually go anywhere. At best, it will be stuck in time.
  #15  
Old December 12th 17, 03:02 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default SSD and Problems with Start Button

"Buffalo" wrote in message news

"Buffalo" wrote in message news

I installed a new Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB SSD and just copied the info from
my 1 TB HDD to it with the included software.
Only had around 200Gb to transfer and I believe the process automatically
didn't copy some files like that in Virtual Memory , etc. Took around 45
min.
I did do a cleanup and defrag BEFORE I installed the SSD.
After I did the copy, I shut down and disconnected my HDD and it booted
right up from the SSD which is connected to a SATA 2 port, just like it
was when I did the transfer.
Bootup time is dramatically decreased. I was impressed.
But, in the last few days, sometimes the Start button will not work (left
or rt click) nor the search magnifying glass. If I reboot, sometimes it
starts working again. If I then try a total shutdown, it seems to work.
I did the upgrade from Windows 7 HE 64 bit to Windows 10 64 bit and it
went well. I did this last year.
Any ideas?
Is something getting bypassed due to the increased speed of the bootup?
Is this a fairly common problem when switching to a SSD?

Perhaps I should just erase the SSD and do a fresh install of Windows 10
from an ISO obtained online. Will MS recognize my new Windonw 10 install ?
What will I need to have to ensure that MS will recognize it? Remember, I
did an upgrade over the Win 7 OS.
Any hints on making it simpler and easier and faster?
Thanks,
Buffalo


Starting to think Malwarebytes Pro cold be causing the problem.
I will stop it from starting at bootup to see if that helps.
Still, any other suggestions to my original post on both issued will be
appreciated.
I also use the free Avast and I have SuperAntiSpyware .


The last few days, no problem with the Start button not functioning.
No Windows updates, just normal updates for Avira, SuperAntiSpyware and
Malwarebytes.
No idea on what changed. Hopefully it will stay fixed
--
Buffalo

 




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