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On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 09:54:11 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote: On 07/08/2018 9:44 AM, s|b wrote: On Sat, 07 Jul 2018 21:01:10 -0500, Ant wrote: Mine is almost 9 GB even though my 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 is from October 2016 and kept updated. I even use Disk Cleanup monthly to remove its WUs. I just checked: my winsxs folder is about 16GiB. I am showing 9.45 GB on Windows 10 Pro. About the same here. |
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"Frank Slootweg" wrote
| You set up Windows and the first question is what | language do you want. Why maintain language support | for hundreds of other languages after that choice is | made? It's not as though you might wake | up one day speaking Swahili. | | Well, theoretically, Windows is a multi-user system, so ... :-) | I'm sorry. I didn't realize your wife speaks Swahili. Of course, the sensible thing would be to just let you decide whether you want the whole DVD copied to winsxs and whether you want all drivers/DLLs that happen to float by to be copied to winsxs. 5-60 GB is a steep price to pay for slightly more functional plug n' play. |
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Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Blake" wrote | Not to mention, at least with Ultimate, files for every goddamned | language on the planet into ... | Do you know how many languages there are on the planet? | But it's possible that they're not all goddamned. Context. They're all goddamned if support files you'll never use are taking up space. You set up Windows and the first question is what language do you want. Why maintain language support for hundreds of other languages after that choice is made? It's not as though you might wake up one day speaking Swahili. It's an implementation detail. How it's delivered is what makes it suck. And it doesn't have to be that way. As an example, years ago there was a UAA audio driver that was delivered to OSes, to support HDAudio. It was a new layer in the audio driver stack, compared to the AC'97 era. (Electrically, AC'97 and HDAudio have a lot in common. It's the creation of "audio widgets" that was new at the time, retaskable audio functions, driving a microphone or a speaker from the same jack.0 Instead of keeping a separate localization file for each language, they made a binary for each UAA driver file that had the language stored as a resource inside. Presumably this would include text for error messages. By boiling language into each binary file, it meant there was no file system penalty on installation. Just the one file, for the nominal OS language was deposited. But, it meant that the download was about "20x larger than it needed to be". I was certainly shocked by the download size, and shocked to examine it with 7ZIP to see why it was so big. Third party applications err on the other side. For some reason, each localization is stored separately. And in some cases, there can be a deep tree in the installation, with "20 file" folders all over the place. This is presumably done to economize on "bytes", at the expense of file system entries. This has an impact any time the tree is crawled, such as when doing an Agent Ransack search. You pay for that gluttony over and over again. It should be obvious that the 20 files could be stored more compactly, without that much of an effect on the OS. A simple database file would do for example, and with the database file, if a future software upgrade by the third party outfit was attempted, it would just remove the old text for error messages and replace it with new text. I class this as an "own goal" problem, of the OS not supporting a good mechanism for packaging this crap. And leaving it to developers to do stupid stuff. For example, since we seem to be paying a tax, by having archived copies of .msi files, we already have copies of those files buried in the .msi. If we wanted the file bad enough. It's not like we lack for copies of the information. That makes this an MS problem, not a languages problem. Paul |
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"Mayayana" on Sun, 8 Jul 2018 12:10:23 -0400
typed in alt.windows7.general the following: "pyotr filipivich" wrote | You set up Windows and the first question is what | language do you want. Why maintain language support | for hundreds of other languages after that choice is | made? It's not as though you might wake | up one day speaking Swahili. | | Eta Pravda! Sheesh, I had to go look that up. Why doesn't Windows come with translation functionality? Now *that* could be a justification for language support files. Ja, das stimmt. (yeah, I know, showing off. Traveled a lot, picked up fragments which have stayed with me. Variations on "How much is a room for the night?", Two beers, please." and "I'm trying to get to ____". Oh and "I need [part name] for a Volkswagen / Daimler-Benz.".) -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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On 07/07/2018 18:51, Paul wrote:
Art wrote: freface wrote in newsho1la$1h34$1 @adenine.netfront.net: Win 7 Pro.Â* All updates. C:\ is full. Deleted obvious stuff but only got 200MB freed. Googled and got confused. Please a little spoon feeding would help me. WinSxS has 13G in the folder. I do not see any other large file areas taking up space. TreeSizeFree being used to look at C: Suggestions please. I found that Resetting your restore point back to Zero free up a lot of Gigs for me. Yes, but while you're in System control panel and the System Protection area, you should adjust the slider for a smaller maximum space. That prevents "abuse" by the System Protection feature. For example, I might set it to 3GB, rather than 300GB. Some backup programs use VSS Shadows, and those could be lurking in a similar storage area. They're in C:\System Volume Information. If you're using fancy backup software, you should check whether there are any "space" settings for when the tool uses space on your disk drive. I thought the default on some of these, was around 30-35%. The worst part of Windows, is there is really *no* utility that shows all allocations. I would have to conclude from this behavior, that when you use a backup program (even Macrium), it doesn't actually copy everything, and there will be a few items that don't get backed up. I used to think nfi.exe (Microsoft) could see everything, but it's missing at least four files. Viewing NTFS from Linux can be educational, but you also have to be careful. I had a Windows 7 C: trashed while doing that. I was looking in System Volume Information and specifically at VSS Shadow Files (which aren't "normal" files). So if you do go on a serious hunt for stuff to remove, you should have a *backup* in hand, before you begin. I tried to reproduce the failure case a couple of months ago, and couldn't succeed in getting it to happen a second time. But for me, one incident is enough. Since I'd made a backup only two hours before the incident, I was well prepared, but... purely by accident. I didn't actually do the backup because I was expecting trouble. I did the backup because it had been several months since the last one. It's possible that some leftovers from the backup operation, actually primed the failure case to happen. Viewing NTFS from Linux now, also suffers from problems caused by Windows 10. Windows 10 creates partitions with damaged $MFTMIRR, which prevents Linux from mounting. Windows 7 CHKDSK can fix it. Windows 10 also uses a new compression reparse point type, and Linux gets "I/O error" or similar if it hits one of those. Windows 10 makes a Swiss Cheese out of the Linux ability to help. And when stuff like this happens, it's not an accident. (Windows 7 created partitions, are still perfectly usable. And Windows 7 can prepare a GPT disk for you too.) Â*Â* Paul I generally give System Protection around 15% of my C: drive to start off. Then I wait for it to fill up and see how far back the oldest restore point is. If it seems way too old reduce percentage, if it seems way to recent increase percentage. I like to be able to go back at least a week if I should need to. -- Brian Gregory (in England). |
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On 06/07/2018 16:25, freface wrote:
Win 7 Pro.Â* All updates. C:\ is full. Deleted obvious stuff but only got 200MB freed. Googled and got confused. Please a little spoon feeding would help me. WinSxS has 13G in the folder. I do not see any other large file areas taking up space. TreeSizeFree being used to look at C: Suggestions please. What an amazing amount of discussion and the guy hasn't even told us anything about his computer yet. -- Brian Gregory (in England). |
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On 07/08/2018 07:29 PM, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 07/07/2018 18:51, Paul wrote: Art wrote: freface wrote in newsho1la$1h34$1 @adenine.netfront.net: Win 7 Pro.Â* All updates. C:\ is full. Deleted obvious stuff but only got 200MB freed. Googled and got confused. Please a little spoon feeding would help me. WinSxS has 13G in the folder. I do not see any other large file areas taking up space. TreeSizeFree being used to look at C: Suggestions please. I found that Resetting your restore point back to Zero free up a lot of Gigs for me. Yes, but while you're in System control panel and the System Protection area, you should adjust the slider for a smaller maximum space. That prevents "abuse" by the System Protection feature. For example, I might set it to 3GB, rather than 300GB. Some backup programs use VSS Shadows, and those could be lurking in a similar storage area. They're in C:\System Volume Information. If you're using fancy backup software, you should check whether there are any "space" settings for when the tool uses space on your disk drive. I thought the default on some of these, was around 30-35%. The worst part of Windows, is there is really *no* utility that shows all allocations. I would have to conclude from this behavior, that when you use a backup program (even Macrium), it doesn't actually copy everything, and there will be a few items that don't get backed up. I used to think nfi.exe (Microsoft) could see everything, but it's missing at least four files. Viewing NTFS from Linux can be educational, but you also have to be careful. I had a Windows 7 C: trashed while doing that. I was looking in System Volume Information and specifically at VSS Shadow Files (which aren't "normal" files). So if you do go on a serious hunt for stuff to remove, you should have a *backup* in hand, before you begin. I tried to reproduce the failure case a couple of months ago, and couldn't succeed in getting it to happen a second time. But for me, one incident is enough. Since I'd made a backup only two hours before the incident, I was well prepared, but... purely by accident. I didn't actually do the backup because I was expecting trouble. I did the backup because it had been several months since the last one. It's possible that some leftovers from the backup operation, actually primed the failure case to happen. Viewing NTFS from Linux now, also suffers from problems caused by Windows 10. Windows 10 creates partitions with damaged $MFTMIRR, which prevents Linux from mounting. Windows 7 CHKDSK can fix it. Windows 10 also uses a new compression reparse point type, and Linux gets "I/O error" or similar if it hits one of those. Windows 10 makes a Swiss Cheese out of the Linux ability to help. And when stuff like this happens, it's not an accident. (Windows 7 created partitions, are still perfectly usable. And Windows 7 can prepare a GPT disk for you too.) Â*Â*Â* Paul I generally give System Protection around 15% of my C: drive to start off. Then I wait for it to fill up and see how far back the oldest restore point is. If it seems way too old reduce percentage, if it seems way to recent increase percentage. I like to be able to go back at least a week if I should need to. Good idea if you install or change things 3 times a day. But what about the person that loads one program a month, and the monthly updates, well that's 2. I would like to keep either 5 or restore points or a week, whichever I hit first. Al |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Keith Nuttle wrote:
.... If you need to do extensive data entry work, get a laptop. I find it amazing that people praise the smartphone and touch tablet, and then run down to Walmart and by keyboards and other peripherals to make it a laptop. While the keyboard idea is great, with my small tablet there is one port that accepts the power cord, the keyboard, etc. When you have to do things like remove thousands of files, it needs to be plugged in, so it is difficult to have a keyboard or mouse attached to the tablet, and have sufficient energy that it will not die during the task you are trying to do. For me, I dislike smartphones and tablets. I still prefer computers with clicky keyboards, big monitors, etc. Yes, I'm old. Get off my lawn. :P -- Quote of the Week: "I got worms! That's what we're going to call it. We're going to specialize in selling worm farms. You know like ant farms. What's the matter, a little tense about the flight?" --Lloyd Christmas (Dumb and Dumber movie) Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org / http://antfarm.ma.cx / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- | |o o| | ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and URL/link. \ _ / ( ) |
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Brian Gregory wrote:
On 06/07/2018 16:25, freface wrote: Win 7 Pro. All updates. C:\ is full. Deleted obvious stuff but only got 200MB freed. Googled and got confused. Please a little spoon feeding would help me. WinSxS has 13G in the folder. I do not see any other large file areas taking up space. TreeSizeFree being used to look at C: Suggestions please. What an amazing amount of discussion and the guy hasn't even told us anything about his computer yet. One of the problems is, no utility shows everything. Even nfi.exe is not listing around four files. I use SequoiaView.exe for non-system areas or disks where permissions won't be an issue. Still leaves System Volume Information to consider. Windirstat is the closest modern equivalent. It's theoretically possible for Everything.exe to get all filenames (by reading $MFT). But the instant the program tries to get date or size info (which is a separate software step), it'll get Access Denied for the "playing-hard-to-get" items. Everything.exe is capable of generating a CSV listing of files on a disk, but the format is not "convenient". Neither is nfi.exe convenient, but people like nfi.exe enough, to write post-processors for it. Windows Backup appears to use the same space as Restore Points. And you can turn off Restore Points and use the allocated space exclusively for backups. (That's for built-in backup features.) With a little carelessness, 35 percent of your disk can be taken up with file-by-file backups stored in units of 200MB ZIP files. https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...up-disk-space/ Paul |
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On 7/7/2018 11:18 AM, freface wrote:
So hibernation is set to NEVER for both AC and Battery So how do I delete hiberfil.sys ??? You can't. You have to disable hibernation. That should automatically remove the file. Setting the hibernation to never is not the same thing. powercfg -h off (there's some argument over whether it's powercfg /h off) one should work. Mayayana wrote: "freface" wrote .... Another notable way to save a lot of space: Disable hibernation. Disable swap file or put one only on a non-C drive. Having done those things, hiberfil.sys and pagefile.sys can be deleted from C drive. |
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On 08/07/2018 20:56, pyotr filipivich wrote:
"Mayayana" on Sun, 8 Jul 2018 12:10:23 -0400 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: | "pyotr filipivich" wrote | | Eta Pravda! Actually, though I had to stop and think, I did know that this was Russian, and that it meant "That's true!" - I studied Russian for a year at school before I decided I was better at maths and science! Sheesh, I had to go look that up. Why doesn't Windows come with translation functionality? Now *that* could be a justification for language support files. Ja, das stimmt. Could recognise as German (or possibly Dutch), and guessed correctly that it meant the same thing, but, although I also did German for a year, I never attended half the lectures, so my memory of it is even hazier. (yeah, I know, showing off. Traveled a lot, picked up fragments which have stayed with me. Variations on "How much is a room for the night?", Two beers, please." and "I'm trying to get to ____". Oh and "I need [part name] for a Volkswagen / Daimler-Benz.".) I do know that kohl is a cabbage, and schreiber is a writer, so this means that Philip Kohlschreiber translates into English as Philip CabbageWriter, which during Wimbledon is possibly more useful information than the above :-) |
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On 09/07/2018 03:34, mike wrote:
On 7/7/2018 11:18 AM, freface wrote: So hibernation is set to NEVER for both AC and Battery So how do I delete hiberfil.sysÂ* ??? You can't. You have to disable hibernation.Â* That should automatically remove the file. Setting the hibernation to never is not the same thing. powercfg -h off (there's some argument over whether it's powercfg /h off) one should work. On Windows 7 either /h or -h will work. -- Brian Gregory (in England). |
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On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:29:27 +0100, Java Jive
wrote: I do know that kohl is a cabbage, and schreiber is a writer, so this means that Philip Kohlschreiber translates into English as Philip CabbageWriter, which during Wimbledon is possibly more useful information than the above :-) No, it translates into English as "horseloving cabbagewriter." g |
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"Java Jive" wrote in message
news Ja, das stimmt. Could recognise as German (or possibly Dutch), and guessed correctly that it meant the same thing, but, although I also did German for a year, I never attended half the lectures, so my memory of it is even hazier. (yeah, I know, showing off. Traveled a lot, picked up fragments which have stayed with me. Variations on "How much is a room for the night?", Two beers, please." and "I'm trying to get to ____". Oh and "I need [part name] for a Volkswagen / Daimler-Benz.".) I do know that kohl is a cabbage, and schreiber is a writer, so this means that Philip Kohlschreiber translates into English as Philip CabbageWriter, which during Wimbledon is possibly more useful information than the above :-) I wonder what the derivation of Kohlschreiber is - how many people used to write on cabbages for a living, for it to become an "occupation surname" like Cooper, Smith or Weaver? My basic O-level German came in very useful when I had to go to the Hannover Fair to demonstrate the product that I was working on. Because all the hotels were occupied by paying visitors at that time, "mere" demonstrators were put up in private houses where the family made a bit of pin money renting out a spare bedroom. The couple I was lodging with spoke a little bit of English and I spoke a little bit of German and we managed to get by. One morning, the husband (whose English was better) had gone to work and the wife said something in German that I couldn't understand , and then said, more simply, "heute Nacht wird ein anderer Mann in deinem Bett schlafen". Even with my rudimentary German, it did not sound good news that "tonight another man will be sleeping in your bed" :-) Luckily I was alerted that something was not right (!) so when I got to the exhibition stand I got someone on reception to phone her. There'd been a cock-up with the booking and they thought I was leaving one day earlier that I was supposed to. Good thing I knew enough German to be alerted, otherwise I'd have got back from the team meal that night, having consumed a fair number of Weisbiers and had a nasty surprise :-) There's actually a follow-up to this. The receptionist arranged another night's stay at another address, and when I gave the address to the taxi driver, after calling at the original house to collect my luggage, he smirked. I realised why when I got there. It didn't quite have a red light above the door, but the woman who answered belonged to the oldest profession in the world and she was dressed for business. She explained that she was staying with a friend that night - which is how I can say with a totally straight face and in all innocence that I slept in a prostitute's bed... I don't know what the background was. Maybe it was the wrong time of the month for her so she rented out her "working bed" when she couldn't work and stayed with a friend. I'm guessing wildly. It was all very bizarre. |
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"Brian Gregory" wrote in message
... On 09/07/2018 03:34, mike wrote: On 7/7/2018 11:18 AM, freface wrote: So hibernation is set to NEVER for both AC and Battery So how do I delete hiberfil.sys ??? You can't. You have to disable hibernation. That should automatically remove the file. Setting the hibernation to never is not the same thing. powercfg -h off (there's some argument over whether it's powercfg /h off) one should work. On Windows 7 either /h or -h will work. Conversely, powercfg -h on (or /h) does not always turn hibernation on. My laptop used to hibernate and then stopped offering hibernation on the Power menu: you could only Logoff, Restart or Shutdown. Powercfg gives no error message but has no effect. The Control Panel | Power settings for all the power plans have the hibernation stuff greyed out. No-one I asked, including in any newsgroups, has offered an suggestions that fix it. The laptop still goes into suspend-to-memory mode (which requires permanent AC or battery power) but there's no longer a way to suspend to disk and then turn the power off. This is a shame because the battery on my laptop is utterly broken (it will not hold any charge) so I need to leave the laptop permanently on mains (with the lid shut) or else I have to start from cold each time which takes ages. |
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