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May 11th 03, 11:03 AM
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Sending files and uPnP
I'm having problems transfering files in Windows Messenger 4.7. Here's the
scenario: - two machines, both behind uPnP routers (Microsoft ones, incidentally) - no software firewalls on either machine (including WinXP one) - all other features work fine (audio, application sharing, etc.) - file transfers are "blocked" in both directions From browsing messages, it seems that Windows Messenger 4.7 may not take advantage of uPnP for file transfers, even though it does for everything else. Is this the case? If so, when will this bug be fixed? Would MSN Messenger 5.0 work correctly in this scenario? If I'm completely off-base, any suggestions on how to fix the problem? I'm not willing to open any permanent holes in the firewall or (even worse) set up a DMZ machine. That's what uPnP is supposed to prevent, after all. Thanks. 
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May 11th 03, 01:30 PM
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Greetings Piotr,
Yes, Windows Messenger does not have UPnP enable file transfer, you do need to use MSN Messenger 5 for this: http://messenger.msn.com/download/do....asp?client=1. ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Windows MVP, Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com "Piotr Kaminski" wrote in message ... I'm having problems transfering files in Windows Messenger 4.7. Here's the scenario: - two machines, both behind uPnP routers (Microsoft ones, incidentally) - no software firewalls on either machine (including WinXP one) - all other features work fine (audio, application sharing, etc.) - file transfers are "blocked" in both directions From browsing messages, it seems that Windows Messenger 4.7 may not take advantage of uPnP for file transfers, even though it does for everything else. Is this the case? If so, when will this bug be fixed? Would MSN Messenger 5.0 work correctly in this scenario? If I'm completely off-base, any suggestions on how to fix the problem? I'm not willing to open any permanent holes in the firewall or (even worse) set up a DMZ machine. That's what uPnP is supposed to prevent, after all. Thanks.
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May 11th 03, 09:44 PM
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"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote in message
... Yes, Windows Messenger does not have UPnP enable file transfer, you do need to use MSN Messenger 5 for this: http://messenger.msn.com/download/do....asp?client=1. Thanks Jonathan, that's what I was afraid of. I think Microsoft should acknowledge this issue in its documentation and/or KB, since everything I read up to this point indicates that the scenario presented should work fine.
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May 11th 03, 09:58 PM
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Hi Piotr,
Most of the documentation concentrates on voice/video (which does use UPnP in Windows Messenger) -- and doesn't mention file transfer. ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Windows MVP, Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com "Piotr Kaminski" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote in message ... Yes, Windows Messenger does not have UPnP enable file transfer, you do need to use MSN Messenger 5 for this: http://messenger.msn.com/download/do....asp?client=1. Thanks Jonathan, that's what I was afraid of. I think Microsoft should acknowledge this issue in its documentation and/or KB, since everything I read up to this point indicates that the scenario presented should work fine.
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May 12th 03, 12:45 AM
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"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote in message
... Most of the documentation concentrates on voice/video (which does use UPnP in Windows Messenger) -- and doesn't mention file transfer. The misleading document I was thinking of: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...fw/default.asp It talks about File Transfer, saying that the only things needed to make it work are IP remapping and open ports in the 6891-6900 range (both facilities enabled by UPnP). Then on page 5, it specifically says that two homes connected through UPnP-enabled gateways "can still communicate with each other using all of the Windows Messenger features". This is the primary reason why I bought three Microsoft gateways -- figuring they would be the most compatible with Microsoft software -- so I'm rather disappointed to see that the promised functionality is missing. I've now installed MSN Messenger 5, and file transfer at least sometimes works (still ironing out some bugs), but it no longer integrates with Outlook and has an annoying ad at the bottom.
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May 12th 03, 02:45 AM
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Is there any indication that this will be fixed shortly,
in an upcoming version? TIA -----Original Message----- Greetings Piotr, Yes, Windows Messenger does not have UPnP enable file transfer, you do need to use MSN Messenger 5 for this: http://messenger.msn.com/download/do....asp?client=1. ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Windows MVP, Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com "Piotr Kaminski" wrote in message ... I'm having problems transfering files in Windows Messenger 4.7. Here's the scenario: - two machines, both behind uPnP routers (Microsoft ones, incidentally) - no software firewalls on either machine (including WinXP one) - all other features work fine (audio, application sharing, etc.) - file transfers are "blocked" in both directions From browsing messages, it seems that Windows Messenger 4.7 may not take advantage of uPnP for file transfers, even though it does for everything else. Is this the case? If so, when will this bug be fixed? Would MSN Messenger 5.0 work correctly in this scenario? If I'm completely off-base, any suggestions on how to fix the problem? I'm not willing to open any permanent holes in the firewall or (even worse) set up a DMZ machine. That's what uPnP is supposed to prevent, after all. Thanks. .
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May 12th 03, 03:31 AM
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Hi,
Whether or not Windows Messenger 5.0 will support UPnP file transfer is still up in the air at this point. ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Windows MVP, Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com "p_l" wrote in message ... Is there any indication that this will be fixed shortly, in an upcoming version? TIA -----Original Message----- Greetings Piotr, Yes, Windows Messenger does not have UPnP enable file transfer, you do need to use MSN Messenger 5 for this: http://messenger.msn.com/download/do....asp?client=1. ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Windows MVP, Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com "Piotr Kaminski" wrote in message ... I'm having problems transfering files in Windows Messenger 4.7. Here's the scenario: - two machines, both behind uPnP routers (Microsoft ones, incidentally) - no software firewalls on either machine (including WinXP one) - all other features work fine (audio, application sharing, etc.) - file transfers are "blocked" in both directions From browsing messages, it seems that Windows Messenger 4.7 may not take advantage of uPnP for file transfers, even though it does for everything else. Is this the case? If so, when will this bug be fixed? Would MSN Messenger 5.0 work correctly in this scenario? If I'm completely off-base, any suggestions on how to fix the problem? I'm not willing to open any permanent holes in the firewall or (even worse) set up a DMZ machine. That's what uPnP is supposed to prevent, after all. Thanks. .
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May 12th 03, 03:35 AM
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Hi Piotr,
It's actually referring to firewall's in that section, not NATs specifically. Hence: "The address provided by the initiating station might be an internal address that is translated by a NAT device. This is an invalid address for the peer to use for the TCP connection. " Anyway, I do agree that the /natfw article is very confusing. ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Windows MVP, Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com "Piotr Kaminski" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote in message ... Most of the documentation concentrates on voice/video (which does use UPnP in Windows Messenger) -- and doesn't mention file transfer. The misleading document I was thinking of: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...fw/default.asp It talks about File Transfer, saying that the only things needed to make it work are IP remapping and open ports in the 6891-6900 range (both facilities enabled by UPnP). Then on page 5, it specifically says that two homes connected through UPnP-enabled gateways "can still communicate with each other using all of the Windows Messenger features". This is the primary reason why I bought three Microsoft gateways -- figuring they would be the most compatible with Microsoft software -- so I'm rather disappointed to see that the promised functionality is missing. I've now installed MSN Messenger 5, and file transfer at least sometimes works (still ironing out some bugs), but it no longer integrates with Outlook and has an annoying ad at the bottom.
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May 12th 03, 04:25 AM
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Jonathan,
Thanks for the reply. Gosh, I sure hope it will. A quick search here shows that I'm not the only one tearing his hair out over this. I had been looking for a solution to this problem for about a month until I was enlightened here. And think of all the people out there who are still in the dark. I appreciate your kind help. -----Original Message----- Hi, Whether or not Windows Messenger 5.0 will support UPnP file transfer is still up in the air at this point. ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Windows MVP, Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com "p_l" wrote in message ... Is there any indication that this will be fixed shortly, in an upcoming version? TIA -----Original Message----- Greetings Piotr, Yes, Windows Messenger does not have UPnP enable file transfer, you do need to use MSN Messenger 5 for this: http://messenger.msn.com/download/download.asp? client=1. ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Windows MVP, Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com "Piotr Kaminski" wrote in message ... I'm having problems transfering files in Windows Messenger 4.7. Here's the scenario: - two machines, both behind uPnP routers (Microsoft ones, incidentally) - no software firewalls on either machine (including WinXP one) - all other features work fine (audio, application sharing, etc.) - file transfers are "blocked" in both directions From browsing messages, it seems that Windows Messenger 4.7 may not take advantage of uPnP for file transfers, even though it does for everything else. Is this the case? If so, when will this bug be fixed? Would MSN Messenger 5.0 work correctly in this scenario? If I'm completely off-base, any suggestions on how to fix the problem? I'm not willing to open any permanent holes in the firewall or (even worse) set up a DMZ machine. That's what uPnP is supposed to prevent, after all. Thanks. . .
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May 12th 03, 07:59 AM
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Hi,
Glad to be of assistance =). ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Windows MVP, Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com "p_l" wrote in message ... Jonathan, Thanks for the reply. Gosh, I sure hope it will. A quick search here shows that I'm not the only one tearing his hair out over this. I had been looking for a solution to this problem for about a month until I was enlightened here. And think of all the people out there who are still in the dark. I appreciate your kind help. -----Original Message----- Hi, Whether or not Windows Messenger 5.0 will support UPnP file transfer is still up in the air at this point. ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Windows MVP, Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com "p_l" wrote in message ... Is there any indication that this will be fixed shortly, in an upcoming version? TIA -----Original Message----- Greetings Piotr, Yes, Windows Messenger does not have UPnP enable file transfer, you do need to use MSN Messenger 5 for this: http://messenger.msn.com/download/download.asp? client=1. ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Windows MVP, Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com "Piotr Kaminski" wrote in message ... I'm having problems transfering files in Windows Messenger 4.7. Here's the scenario: - two machines, both behind uPnP routers (Microsoft ones, incidentally) - no software firewalls on either machine (including WinXP one) - all other features work fine (audio, application sharing, etc.) - file transfers are "blocked" in both directions From browsing messages, it seems that Windows Messenger 4.7 may not take advantage of uPnP for file transfers, even though it does for everything else. Is this the case? If so, when will this bug be fixed? Would MSN Messenger 5.0 work correctly in this scenario? If I'm completely off-base, any suggestions on how to fix the problem? I'm not willing to open any permanent holes in the firewall or (even worse) set up a DMZ machine. That's what uPnP is supposed to prevent, after all. Thanks. . .
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May 13th 03, 03:44 AM
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I did try your suggestion of using MSN Messenger 5.0 for
file transfers, and of course you are correct; it does seem to be uPnP, and I can now send files perfectly, this after weeks of trying to figure out what *I* was doing wrong. I just wanted to reiterate my gratitude for your help. So now, though, I have both Windows and MSN Messengers on my system, and the MSN version doesn't seem to integrate with Outlook Express, so I suppose we'll have to wait 'n' see if the next version of Windows Messenger is uPlug 'n' Play. If it is, with apologies to Voltaire, it will be the best of all possible worlds. Thank you again.  -----Original Message----- Hi, Glad to be of assistance =). ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Windows MVP, Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com "p_l" wrote in message ... Jonathan, Thanks for the reply. Gosh, I sure hope it will. A quick search here shows that I'm not the only one tearing his hair out over this. I had been looking for a solution to this problem for about a month until I was enlightened here. And think of all the people out there who are still in the dark. I appreciate your kind help. -----Original Message----- Hi, Whether or not Windows Messenger 5.0 will support UPnP file transfer is still up in the air at this point. ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Windows MVP, Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com "p_l" wrote in message ... Is there any indication that this will be fixed shortly, in an upcoming version? TIA -----Original Message----- Greetings Piotr, Yes, Windows Messenger does not have UPnP enable file transfer, you do need to use MSN Messenger 5 for this: http://messenger.msn.com/download/download.asp? client=1. ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Windows MVP, Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com "Piotr Kaminski" wrote in message ... I'm having problems transfering files in Windows Messenger 4.7. Here's the scenario: - two machines, both behind uPnP routers (Microsoft ones, incidentally) - no software firewalls on either machine (including WinXP one) - all other features work fine (audio, application sharing, etc.) - file transfers are "blocked" in both directions From browsing messages, it seems that Windows Messenger 4.7 may not take advantage of uPnP for file transfers, even though it does for everything else. Is this the case? If so, when will this bug be fixed? Would MSN Messenger 5.0 work correctly in this scenario? If I'm completely off-base, any suggestions on how to fix the problem? I'm not willing to open any permanent holes in the firewall or (even worse) set up a DMZ machine. That's what uPnP is supposed to prevent, after all. Thanks. . . .
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May 13th 03, 04:46 AM
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I wouldnt hold your breath for Windows Messenger 5 to support it either,
although the help files indicate it may do, there seems to be some debate as to whether it will do! "p_l" wrote in message ... I did try your suggestion of using MSN Messenger 5.0 for file transfers, and of course you are correct; it does seem to be uPnP, and I can now send files perfectly, this after weeks of trying to figure out what *I* was doing wrong. I just wanted to reiterate my gratitude for your help. So now, though, I have both Windows and MSN Messengers on my system, and the MSN version doesn't seem to integrate with Outlook Express, so I suppose we'll have to wait 'n' see if the next version of Windows Messenger is uPlug 'n' Play. If it is, with apologies to Voltaire, it will be the best of all possible worlds. Thank you again. -----Original Message----- Hi, Glad to be of assistance =). ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Windows MVP, Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com "p_l" wrote in message ... Jonathan, Thanks for the reply. Gosh, I sure hope it will. A quick search here shows that I'm not the only one tearing his hair out over this. I had been looking for a solution to this problem for about a month until I was enlightened here. And think of all the people out there who are still in the dark. I appreciate your kind help. -----Original Message----- Hi, Whether or not Windows Messenger 5.0 will support UPnP file transfer is still up in the air at this point. ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Windows MVP, Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com "p_l" wrote in message ... Is there any indication that this will be fixed shortly, in an upcoming version? TIA -----Original Message----- Greetings Piotr, Yes, Windows Messenger does not have UPnP enable file transfer, you do need to use MSN Messenger 5 for this: http://messenger.msn.com/download/download.asp? client=1. ____________________________________________ Jonathan Kay Windows MVP, Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com "Piotr Kaminski" wrote in message ... I'm having problems transfering files in Windows Messenger 4.7. Here's the scenario: - two machines, both behind uPnP routers (Microsoft ones, incidentally) - no software firewalls on either machine (including WinXP one) - all other features work fine (audio, application sharing, etc.) - file transfers are "blocked" in both directions From browsing messages, it seems that Windows Messenger 4.7 may not take advantage of uPnP for file transfers, even though it does for everything else. Is this the case? If so, when will this bug be fixed? Would MSN Messenger 5.0 work correctly in this scenario? If I'm completely off-base, any suggestions on how to fix the problem? I'm not willing to open any permanent holes in the firewall or (even worse) set up a DMZ machine. That's what uPnP is supposed to prevent, after all. Thanks. . . .
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