One for Good Guy

Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
This will take a real Win10 lover.

Indexing problem.

The Indexing Options GUI has a message "Waiting to receive indexing
status ...".
The indexed locations are blank, "Modify" and "Pause" are greyed
out, and when I hit "Advanced" the thing crashes.
This is a brand new computer, only set-up 3 days ago from preloaded
OEM Win10, onto which (after a little removal of bundled garbage) I
loaded Win10 1083 from DVD. I don't know if the indexing was
working before that. The Windows.edb file is dated set-up date,
25GB but empty.

Everything else is beautiful and smooth.
Things I've tried
1. Memory scan, HD scan, several AVs - all excellent; including
individual ones of the SearchIndex progs in Win32 and the DB in
Appdata.
2. SFC/ SCANNOWÂ* - 100% violation free.
3. Checked Services; Windows Search depends on;
Remote Procedure Call (RPC), which includes;
DCOM Server Process Launcher
RPC Endpoint Mapper
All up and running.
4. Tried all three index rebuild methods mentioned herein;
https://goo.gl/zNxrWZ
5. Checked that indexing is working OK on two other boxes running
1803; and it is on both.
6. Analysed the DB file with Windows Search Index Analyser
(http://www.edbsearch.com/freetrial.html), and the file seems empty.
7. Deleted Windows.edb, restarted, not recreated although the
Services are running and the program is in memory.
8. Googled a lot without success.

Ed




I've got Everything working, simply by re-installing it with
"Everything Services" ticked. It now has an entry in the Services
with automatic start.

I think I have no option now other than to look through the Services
list one by one, fully attentive.

Ed


Services used to have "Dependency" information, such
that you could tell what services a given service needs
to work. As an example, virtually every service now has
a dependency on RPC (remote procedure call). It's become
so bad, I don't think you can even turn off RPC, because it
would seriously gut the OS.

Note that this Dependency information is not "automatically generated".
It's statically generated at Microsoft and loaded into
the tabs for your usage. In Windows 7, one of the dependencies
to make audio work, was missing from one service. And users
who disabled a certain service, would lose audio, and yet
the Dependencies info would not list the missing service
they needed to re-enable.

So while Dependency information is present in the OS, it
comes with no guarantee of correctness. The information
is "mostly correct".

Â*Â*Â* Paul

I've found a very deeply buried suggested cure;
https://goo.gl/88a8mV
I started deleting the files until I got to some that I couldn't
because they were open to System. I also noticed that (even though I'd
stopped the Windows Search service) some were being recreated before
my eyes as I proceeded!!?
Right, so I'll try Safe Mode or dig out my old Knoppix disk. But not
until after a good night's sleep, as I'm approaching burn-out for
today's allowance.

Ed

Yes, you want to be fully rested.

https://www.tenforums.com/performanc...ng-broken.html


There's a troubleshooter for it. A troubleshooter that
can't fix it :-)

Â*Â* Paul

I came in at stage 2 of his problem; and I'm still there.

Ed

Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
This will take a real Win10 lover.

Indexing problem.

The Indexing Options GUI has a message "Waiting to receive
indexing status ...".
The indexed locations are blank, "Modify" and "Pause" are greyed
out, and when I hit "Advanced" the thing crashes.
This is a brand new computer, only set-up 3 days ago from
preloaded OEM Win10, onto which (after a little removal of bundled
garbage) I loaded Win10 1083 from DVD. I don't know if the
indexing was working before that. The Windows.edb file is dated
set-up date, 25GB but empty.

Everything else is beautiful and smooth.
Things I've tried
1. Memory scan, HD scan, several AVs - all excellent; including
individual ones of the SearchIndex progs in Win32 and the DB in
Appdata.
2. SFC/ SCANNOWÂ* - 100% violation free.
3. Checked Services; Windows Search depends on;
Remote Procedure Call (RPC), which includes;
DCOM Server Process Launcher
RPC Endpoint Mapper
All up and running.
4. Tried all three index rebuild methods mentioned herein;
https://goo.gl/zNxrWZ
5. Checked that indexing is working OK on two other boxes running
1803; and it is on both.
6. Analysed the DB file with Windows Search Index Analyser
(http://www.edbsearch.com/freetrial.html), and the file seems empty.
7. Deleted Windows.edb, restarted, not recreated although the
Services are running and the program is in memory.
8. Googled a lot without success.

Ed




I've got Everything working, simply by re-installing it with
"Everything Services" ticked. It now has an entry in the Services
with automatic start.

I think I have no option now other than to look through the
Services list one by one, fully attentive.

Ed


Services used to have "Dependency" information, such
that you could tell what services a given service needs
to work. As an example, virtually every service now has
a dependency on RPC (remote procedure call). It's become
so bad, I don't think you can even turn off RPC, because it
would seriously gut the OS.

Note that this Dependency information is not "automatically generated".
It's statically generated at Microsoft and loaded into
the tabs for your usage. In Windows 7, one of the dependencies
to make audio work, was missing from one service. And users
who disabled a certain service, would lose audio, and yet
the Dependencies info would not list the missing service
they needed to re-enable.

So while Dependency information is present in the OS, it
comes with no guarantee of correctness. The information
is "mostly correct".

Â*Â*Â* Paul

I've found a very deeply buried suggested cure;
https://goo.gl/88a8mV
I started deleting the files until I got to some that I couldn't
because they were open to System. I also noticed that (even though
I'd stopped the Windows Search service) some were being recreated
before my eyes as I proceeded!!?
Right, so I'll try Safe Mode or dig out my old Knoppix disk. But not
until after a good night's sleep, as I'm approaching burn-out for
today's allowance.

Ed

Yes, you want to be fully rested.

https://www.tenforums.com/performanc...ng-broken.html


There's a troubleshooter for it. A troubleshooter that
can't fix it :-)

Â*Â*Â* Paul

I came in at stage 2 of his problem; and I'm still there.

Ed

All solved; all working. How? I downloaded the latest Win10 iso from MS,
ran it with full retention and updates to be included. And now search
works, no errors in Event Viewer, and very snappy and solid feel about it.
Time will tell about its stability; and then I'll try upping the MHz on
the four memory sticks.

Ed