Google secretly tried to stop the probe into Android a year before its record $5 billion fine from the EU

"Anonymous" wrote

| Google lawyers talked to their EU counterparts about the
| possibility of a settlement in June 2017, Bloomberg says, weeks
| after the company had been fined 2.4 billion euros for abusing
| its dominant position to promote its shopping service.
|
| https://www.businessinsider.com/goog...-avert-record-
| fine-from-eu-2018-7
|
| I hate google, apple, microsoft, and facebook. Never considered
| buying an apple. Switch from google to duckduckgo.

Interesting new twist on this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/26/b...ust-trump.html

James B. Stewart, business columnist for the NYT,
has a stunningly idiotic column today. Worse than idiotic,
in fact. It's deeply misleading. His case is that
Trump "is right" in saying that the EU is attacking
American companies with the Google fine. It seems
to be a deliberate attempt to portray Google's
punishment as anti-Americanism. Are Stewart and/or
the Times taking payoffs to make such an absurd claim
and fire up public opinion?

I have to give Stewart the benefit of the doubt and
provisionally assume that he actually does think Trump
is smart, and that he has no understanding of the tech
world. The NYT is not likely to actually take payoffs
from the likes of Google, except in the form of ad
contracts. Instead they just assign writers to pen
skewed news and analysis that favors big business. I'm
repeatedly impressed by the subtlety of their pro-business
slant. It usually reads like real news and coherent
thinking.

Example: Stewart accepts Google's argument that
forced tying of its products on Android by pre-installing
them is not an issue because it's easy to install something
different. He even finds a researcher (Google-funded,
by his own admission) to make that statement. Then,
to prove his point, he goes online and tries installing
something different.

Easy as pie! See! Google's innocent! It's all just
anti-Americanism from those sneaky Europeans who
are our foes!

Stewart never addresses the obvious question of
why Google is so set on tying if it doesn't matter. Nor
does he even have the sense to notice his own actions:
He never thought to replace the defaults before he tried
it for his article. What he ended up demonstrating was
exactly why tie-ins are so important to Google --
because most people will never even know which product
they're using, much less try to switch.

His whole column is like that. One tech misconception
after another. But I'm guessing that the non-techie,
business-oriented, mostly conservative readership of
the NYT business section thought Stewart's analysis
was sharp and informative, and that they now have
"scientific" evidence to back up their opposition to all
gov't regulation and to the EU's regulation specifically.

I find the apparent decency and intelligence of EU
regulators to be a heartening source of hope, though
it's embarassing that we have to turn to them to uphold
democracy and common decency.

I also find it bracing to watch as the new, clever
tech companies of the 90s, run mainly by young geeks,
turn into the monopoly utility companies of the 21st
century. Especially scary is that the geek brat billionaires
may actually be less ethical than traditional corporate
executives because they grew up seeing themselves as
idealistic underdogs who were applying their incredible
genius to improve the world.

Mayayana wrote:
"Anonymous" wrote

| Google lawyers talked to their EU counterparts about the
| possibility of a settlement in June 2017, Bloomberg says, weeks
| after the company had been fined 2.4 billion euros for abusing
| its dominant position to promote its shopping service.
|
| https://www.businessinsider.com/goog...-avert-record-
| fine-from-eu-2018-7
|
| I hate google, apple, microsoft, and facebook. Never considered
| buying an apple. Switch from google to duckduckgo.

Interesting new twist on this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/26/b...ust-trump.html

James B. Stewart, business columnist for the NYT,
has a stunningly idiotic column today. Worse than idiotic,
in fact.

Some phrases come to mind.

"Click Bate"

"A Dollar A Word"

And nothing really changes.

http://history.journalism.ku.edu/1900/1900.shtml

Paul

on 7/27/2018, Mayayana supposed :
"Anonymous" wrote

Google lawyers talked to their EU counterparts about the
possibility of a settlement in June 2017, Bloomberg says, weeks
after the company had been fined 2.4 billion euros for abusing
its dominant position to promote its shopping service.

https://www.businessinsider.com/goog...-avert-record-
fine-from-eu-2018-7

I hate google, apple, microsoft, and facebook. Never considered
buying an apple. Switch from google to duckduckgo.

Interesting new twist on this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/26/b...ust-trump.html

James B. Stewart, business columnist for the NYT,
has a stunningly idiotic column today. Worse than idiotic,
in fact. It's deeply misleading. His case is that
Trump "is right" in saying that the EU is attacking
American companies with the Google fine. It seems
to be a deliberate attempt to portray Google's
punishment as anti-Americanism. Are Stewart and/or
the Times taking payoffs to make such an absurd claim
and fire up public opinion?

I have to give Stewart the benefit of the doubt and
provisionally assume that he actually does think Trump
is smart, and that he has no understanding of the tech
world. The NYT is not likely to actually take payoffs
from the likes of Google, except in the form of ad
contracts. Instead they just assign writers to pen
skewed news and analysis that favors big business. I'm
repeatedly impressed by the subtlety of their pro-business
slant. It usually reads like real news and coherent
thinking.

Example: Stewart accepts Google's argument that
forced tying of its products on Android by pre-installing
them is not an issue because it's easy to install something
different. He even finds a researcher (Google-funded,
by his own admission) to make that statement. Then,
to prove his point, he goes online and tries installing
something different.

Easy as pie! See! Google's innocent! It's all just
anti-Americanism from those sneaky Europeans who
are our foes!

Stewart never addresses the obvious question of
why Google is so set on tying if it doesn't matter. Nor
does he even have the sense to notice his own actions:
He never thought to replace the defaults before he tried
it for his article. What he ended up demonstrating was
exactly why tie-ins are so important to Google --
because most people will never even know which product
they're using, much less try to switch.

His whole column is like that. One tech misconception
after another. But I'm guessing that the non-techie,
business-oriented, mostly conservative readership of
the NYT business section thought Stewart's analysis
was sharp and informative, and that they now have
"scientific" evidence to back up their opposition to all
gov't regulation and to the EU's regulation specifically.

I find the apparent decency and intelligence of EU
regulators to be a heartening source of hope, though
it's embarassing that we have to turn to them to uphold
democracy and common decency.

I also find it bracing to watch as the new, clever
tech companies of the 90s, run mainly by young geeks,
turn into the monopoly utility companies of the 21st
century. Especially scary is that the geek brat billionaires
may actually be less ethical than traditional corporate
executives because they grew up seeing themselves as
idealistic underdogs who were applying their incredible
genius to improve the world.

democrats can not accept the truth.

"Paul" wrote

|
| James B. Stewart, business columnist for the NYT,
| has a stunningly idiotic column today. Worse than idiotic,
| in fact.
|
| Some phrases come to mind.
|
| "Click Bate"
|
| "A Dollar A Word"
|
| And nothing really changes.
|
| http://history.journalism.ku.edu/1900/1900.shtml
|

Interesting link. Thanks. Maybe I'm a bit naive,
but I expect more from top newspapers. This wasn't
the 25-year-older fluff that the newspaper companies
have been using to fill their websites. It was the
business columnist in the NYT print edition. And it
wasn't especially titillating, in the sense that click-bait
would be. It was just insidiously misleading.

In message
Anonymous wrote:

democrats can not accept the truth.

What a bizarre thing to say.

Dave

Anonymous wrote:


democrats can not accept the truth.

Considering the fine took years to consider,
process and act upon, probably not. They could
certainly accelerate or delay the final step
in the process, to align it with someones
birthday. But I would expect the bureaucratic
process took a while. And Google tried to negotiate
with them, so the writing was on the wall for
a while. Someone didn't get out of bed on
a Tuesday, whip out a police ticket book
and write up a $5B ticket.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/1...fine-antitrust

"Google's illegal payments for app bundling ceased in 2014
after the EU started to look into the issue."

"FairSearch originally filed a complaint against Google
back in 2013, and the group included competitors like Nokia,
Microsoft, and Oracle. Former Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer
also called Google a "monopoly" at the time, one that
authorities should control. While Google and Microsoft
ended their Android patent disagreements a few years ago,
that hasn't stopped the EU from investigating the original
allegations."

A process years in the making. Think of all the
Happy Meals the bureaucrats enjoyed while working
themselves into a frenzy. That takes time.

Paul

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David Higton wrote:

In message
Anonymous wrote:

democrats can not accept the truth.

What a bizarre thing to say.

Dave

It's a side affect of drinking Fox "news" Kool Aid.

David Higton wrote :
In message
Anonymous wrote:

democrats can not accept the truth.

What a bizarre thing to say.

Dave

One thing that gives me great pleasure is knowing that all these
commie, socialist, lying, democrats are going to end up in eternal
damnation. When the great judgment comes after that, they will try to
lie their way out of being poured into the lake of fire, but to no
avail. They think that their arrogant, totalitarian desires for all of
mankind, except themselves, are not going to come back upon them.

"Anonymous ****" wrote:
David Higton wrote :
In message
Anonymous wrote:

democrats can not accept the truth.

What a bizarre thing to say.

One thing that gives me great pleasure is knowing that all these
commie, socialist, lying, democrats are going to end up in eternal
damnation. When the great judgment comes ...

So you're a religious nutcase as well as a ****.

In article
"Sclr" wrote:

"Anonymous ****" wrote:
David Higton wrote :
In message
Anonymous wrote:

democrats can not accept the truth.

What a bizarre thing to say.

One thing that gives me great pleasure is knowing that all these
commie, socialist, lying, democrats are going to end up in eternal
damnation. When the great judgment comes ...

So you're a religious nutcase as well as a ****.

+1

Nomen Nescio pretended :
In article
Anonymous wrote:

David Higton wrote :
In message
Anonymous wrote:

democrats can not accept the truth.

What a bizarre thing to say.

Dave

One thing that gives me great pleasure is knowing that all these
commie, socialist, lying, democrats are going to end up in eternal
damnation. When the great judgment comes after that, they will try
to lie their way out of being poured into the lake of fire, but to
no avail. They think that their arrogant, totalitarian desires for
all of mankind, except themselves, are not going to come back upon
them.

Democrat leadership, if you can call it that, is total failure.

Look at San Fagsicko. Heroin addict queers, homeless and
illegals ****ting all over the streets and cars.

Democrats refuse to do anything about it because "they have
rights".

Actually, I love it! It shows what liberals are all about and the
degradation that comes from socialist thinking. This is all because of
San Fagsicko's acceptance of sexual perverts. The next great thing is
for SF to be shaken severely. The biggest fault runs under Hayward, CA
and Hayward is the biggest fag cesspool in the world. Hope it happens
during a time of day when queers are poking each other in the butt.